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COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 06:50 PM
I have been working to get an above ground pool installed at the homestead. We decided to go with the salt water. So apparently there will be no other chemicals. So I found myself wondering.....If needed could I use this water for the horses? Could I somehow remove the salt?
nell67
08-12-2009, 06:58 PM
I would think the only way would be to insall some type of plastic over the top,and collect the condensation the forms from it????
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:02 PM
The salt concentration is supposed to be less than that of rain or human tears? So maybe your suggestion would work but that is alot of condensating when I need 25 gallons per horse per day. Does anyone know a safe level related to salinity in water?
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:03 PM
Why go with salt water? While fresh water would require chemical treatment, look at all the fresh water you would have for family and horses.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:09 PM
Yeah, I thought about that after I purchased this thing....Yeah yeah hind sight is 20/20. I was trying to get out of the costly chemicals I bought prior years. And this pool it had wood grain sides so I like the idea of it matching the deck. So there is my dilemma. I have a 330 gal. tank already. I do not yet have a generator but it is on the list. Just wondering if i could somehow fit this in the plan..
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:12 PM
You can always "fit it in the plan". You just have to figure out how and cost. Was this pool set up for a salt water pond?
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Rick,

It is the new trend for swimmy pools. No chlorine or other bad stuff just pool salt. It seems to be catching on so I decided to try it. Even though my manufacturing experience tells me not to buy the durn prototype! My thoughts were with my little one. Last year she swam so much the chlorine was rough on her hair. Oh and the there is the wife miss all natural with white blonde hair that turns green in chlorine. I haven't completely screwed up, I could go back to the chlorine if it makes more sense. I can still use the water as is for non potable uses. Be nice though if I had this extra close to 6000 gallons that I could make potable enough for the horses. If not then well anybody for a swim!
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:23 PM
Doesn't the salt create chlorine in the pool? What am I missing here?
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:26 PM
http://www.intexcorp.com/saltwater.html

Here is the system. I could be wrong but I don't think chlorine is involved.
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:35 PM
It sure does. Read this and look for sodium hypochlorite. Anytime you add sodium hypochlorite to water you produce Hypochlorous acid. That's what any type of chlorine added to water does. But that's bleach. Yeah, it is. It's also chlorine. Water departments use it at about 12% to treat water.

http://www.intexcorp.com/saltwater_03.html

I'd sure talk to your sales folks. If you are wanting to get away from chlorine, I don't think you will do it with a salt water pool. It will still be there you just won't taste it or smell it because of the concentration.

You might also want to read this:

http://www.mynaturalpool.com/Home/ban.php

Not trying to be the harbinger of bad news but I don't think you're going to end up with what you want.
Winnie
08-12-2009, 07:39 PM
Do you know what the concentration of salt is? There are two possible methods of salt removal I can think of. One is deionising using reverse osmosis, you may be able to do this with a water softening unit. The other one would be to flow the water through a purpose built reed bed. It's way past my bedtime at the mo, but I'll have a look for you tomorrow.
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:40 PM
CS - Take a look at this page from their site and look at how they labeled their pumps. Chlorine generator and chlorine generator/combo.

http://www.intexcorp.com/saltwater_02.html
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Your correct Chlorine is produced. I found it on the website. Which is fine. They did kinda mislead me cause i didn't do my homework. Thanks for clearing that up. Ok is there any making this water potable for horses the salt will be at 1/10th the concentration of saltwater and I guess it will be pretty well chlorinated too. I am thinking probably not...
crashdive123
08-12-2009, 07:45 PM
I would guess probably not. It is interesting though that on my trip to Cumberland Island (wild horse population of about 200) the horses have adapted to where they drink the brackish water (salt/fresh mix). The fresh water sources on the island are limited, so they have adapted over time.
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:48 PM
I don't know. First, I don't know what the salt concentration is. I looked at their pool size in gallons and the amount of salt required but, at the moment, my mind is just blank on calculating the concentration. I have to think about that a bit.

Second, I don't know when the concentration becomes harmful. Seawater has a salinity of about 3.5% If the salt concentration in the pool is 1.5% is that low enough that you can you drink it straight? Is there a difference between humans and horses? Lot's of unknowns for me.

Does anyone know the answers?
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 07:50 PM
Your right Crash. There is the other issue of getting a horse to drink less than water....Well' thanks fellows for helping me think it through' squashed that thought quick. Now I can move on to what will work!
Rick
08-12-2009, 07:57 PM
Okay, I'll throw this out there for scrutiny. Gallons and salt per their site.

3,795 gallons or water
95 pounds of salt
yields a solution of 0.3% salinity

I didn't try to calculate for temperature, which will have an impact on salinity.

Anyone care to disagree? I think my math is correct.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 08:00 PM
Looks good to me and it is about what the company stated was 1/10th the salinity of sea water. It is really low...Now would that change the possibility of this being an option?
Rick
08-12-2009, 08:04 PM
That's the part I don't know. You should run my numbers by the pool company folks to verify salinity then talk to your vet and see if a horse would have trouble with water in that range. 0.3 is not very much salt but you sure don't want to mess with their kidneys.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Good one for the wife to research. She's the expert....
Rick
08-12-2009, 08:07 PM
There you go. A wifey job.
wareagle69
08-12-2009, 09:16 PM
i have installed these also before but it was years ago, i think the sales pitch is that yes there is some chlorine as a byproduct, but not as much as a normal pool and supposedly the salt is better for your skin
now i normally add salt to my horses diet so it would not hurt, besides just cuz you lead them to water don't mean they will drink it, they'll let you know. now i put a couple of gallons out for my horses they rarely ever seem to touch it except for winter when they are on hay, when they are on pasture grass there is a ton of moisture content in grass, so they get alot of water that way.
pocomoonskyeyes
08-12-2009, 09:45 PM
I musta' missed something here, so feel free to set me straight. What Type of salt is it? Also you could buy one of those little blocks that you put in stalls and do a comparison that way( or just copy down what ingredients are in the salt block). but if it is as low as it seems it may not hurt.however Rick has already put in the best answer I've seen(Sorry WE he beat you to it) ask the Vet.Lordy if we had to pay for all the questions we've asked we would owe several thousands of dollars.
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 10:17 PM
I know for a fact my horses each drink more than 10 gallons a day. I fill the barrels'. Anyhow sure we have a salt block. Look back at the post..It is about potable water for horses not salt.
pocomoonskyeyes
08-12-2009, 10:25 PM
No, what I'm asking is what type of salt is used in the pool? If it is compatible with a horse AND is low enough it could be a GOOD thing just as it is, That's why I say compare it with the ingredients of a salt block. The Vet may be able to answer this in a 2 or 3 minute phone call. Sorry for any misunderstanding CS,my fault.
If you are using it for your self then I am lost. Send out a search party!!!
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-12-2009, 10:50 PM
I am not sure my last post came across right.. maybe it didn't I know my post is a stretch but put it in SHTF situation and it becomes real.
MrsCowboy
08-12-2009, 11:11 PM
With this pool, we don't have to backwash :)

While the water would be safe to drink, I read that the chlorine would evaporate pretty quickly, possibly within a day. Then your next concern is bacteria and algae, so Cowboy had better get to boiling it!
wareagle69
08-13-2009, 08:05 AM
actually i have found that if you are using a vet for your horses then they are usually willing to answer any questions that you may have. although my wife is a vet teck and very sought after around here so most vets treat me well but i would assume that most "horse people' as you know are always willing to help out other "horse people"
plus her cousin is a vet also so we are set weel
also what i learned aout horses in phx and flagstaff is way different then what i learned here in ontario
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-13-2009, 10:56 AM
Sure we plan to check with the vet. Although we don't have a whole bunch of good horse vets around here. Really this is a simpler question. If I can determine it safe for me then I would have no problem offering it to a horse. I had a thought on that maybe I could test the water with the same kit I tested the well with for the water we drink now.
pocomoonskyeyes
08-13-2009, 11:13 AM
That sounds like it might work. Sorry about the lack of equine Vets. Want me to call mine? she specialized in equines. Hey did you think about the local Ag extension office they might know as well, they are USUALLY a good source of info on stuff like that. The thing I'm not understanding CS is the type of salt that is used in the pool. Sometimes I'm smart, sometimes I'm dumb - and this time I'm dumb. Sorry I'm not being any help but you have really got my curiosity up about this. If you want me to call my Vet gladly will I do so, just let me know the kind of salt and ratio salt/gallon and I'll give her a call. They are used to "unusual" questions from us about Horses.
Rick
08-13-2009, 11:54 AM
Poco, I would guess it's pool salt although there web site doesn't specifically say. I don't think there is any difference between pool salt and table salt except the name.
pocomoonskyeyes
08-13-2009, 12:05 PM
The thing that concerns me is some salts (epsom, and sea water) have a laxative effect which is not a good thing for horsees and people in a survival situation or any situation unless you are constipated.
wareagle69
08-13-2009, 02:15 PM
let me look at what type of salt i feed my horses and get back with the info, inf i can find the empty bag that is if not i'll just go to the feed store
equus
08-13-2009, 03:47 PM
wareagle i did not know that your wife is a vet tech that is what i am trying to go to school for. i have always wanted to be a vet but thought first that i maight get my vet tech license then go on and finish to be a vet. like poco said though the vet that we have specialized in horses which is what i want to do we can ask her any questions she has become a good friend of mine.
2dumb2kwit
08-13-2009, 03:54 PM
Poco, I would guess it's pool salt although there web site doesn't specifically say. I don't think there is any difference between pool salt and table salt except the name.

Hmmmm. (If you mix them together, do you get pool-table salt?) :innocent:
wareagle69
08-13-2009, 03:55 PM
it don't pay much up here, for her its about the love of all animals, the vet she works for does all animals and wildlife and exotics
Rick
08-13-2009, 03:55 PM
Why, yes. Yes you do.
wareagle69
08-13-2009, 03:56 PM
Hmmmm. (If you mix them together, do you get pool-table salt?) :innocent:

uh ken......ninja squriiels are needed
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-13-2009, 09:29 PM
There ain't no room for them durn Pink Squirrels! Don't cause me to fill this monitor full of holes!!!!
COWBOYSURVIVAL
08-23-2009, 03:46 PM
Well, the pool is up and it is just pool salt which turns out is the same as table salt. What happens is the flow of saltwater is charged as it flows across charged Titanium Plates it converts to chlorine so when your running the pump your making Chlorine. So you run the pump on a timer and it makes chlorine. At first the salt content is noticeable when swiming but it seams to be settling down. It is great for my skin...

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pocomoonskyeyes
08-23-2009, 05:18 PM
Uh Cowboy Survival uh uh uh I don't know how to say this but uh your cowboy turned into a lantern is this some kinda' cinderella story or something? Are your horses going to turn into mice? Just wonderin? Please don't fill my monitor full of holes... just sayin' .....:innocent::sneaky2::innocent:
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