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Ken
08-08-2009, 12:52 PM
Death Valley - They Brought Too Little Water, No Map or Compass, Left No Itinerary .... so many mistakes were made.


Boy, 11, Dies While Stranded In Death Valley

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32340356/ns/us_news-life
tonester
08-08-2009, 12:54 PM
sad story just read it in the news paper.
Pal334
08-08-2009, 02:15 PM
A seemingly responsible adult (RN) who did not use basic common sense. A shame for her son.
pgvoutdoors
08-08-2009, 02:38 PM
These stories seem unbelievable to someone with basic outdoor skills but are in fact very common. Thanks again Ken, I've been forwarding these articles to the Adults and boys of my Boy Scout Troop.
panch0
08-08-2009, 02:41 PM
Sad story.
Sarge47
08-08-2009, 02:50 PM
Death Valley - They Brought Too Little Water, No Map or Compass, Left No Itinerary .... so many mistakes were made.


Boy, 11, Dies While Stranded In Death Valley

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32340356/ns/us_news-lifeOn the series: "I shouldn't be alive" there's a similar story about a Boy Scout group taking a trail hike to the Colorado River down in the Grand Canyon. Again, water became short & the upshot is that another boy died from heat stroke. The Scoutmasters looked to be quite elderly, I don't know why they didn't prepare better. :cool2:
SARKY
08-08-2009, 03:26 PM
The Grand Canyon!!??**##@ Isn't there a river runnig through that thing?? River = water......duh! How is it that the people who put these kids in danger never die???
hoosierarcher
08-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Sarky trust me when I tell you outliving the child will haunt and torment them all their life. It would be merciful if they died too.
Fletcher
08-08-2009, 06:55 PM
Well that is sad. Just one more reason NOT to go to DEATH VALLEY.
They call it DEATH VALLEY for a reason!
wareagle69
08-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Well that is sad. Just one more reason NOT to go to DEATH VALLEY.
They call it DEATH VALLEY for a reason!
actually a very beautiful place, lots of fun if you are prepared

The Grand Canyon!!??**##@ Isn't there a river runnig through that thing?? River = water......duh! How is it that the people who put these kids in danger never die???

hmm lets see aw yes here it is
sarky have you ever hiked the canyon? from top to bottom and back to the top? in the winter? in the summer? it is not that simple, i lived at the canyon for a year working as a wrangler, its just not that simple that there is a river running thru it. you would be amazed at the "expereinced "people that need rescued there. the canyon is overwehlming to most folks, but i love it, would love to go back and challenge my self run from north rim to south rim.
wareagle69
08-08-2009, 08:40 PM
Death Valley - They Brought Too Little Water, No Map or Compass, Left No Itinerary .... so many mistakes were made.


Boy, 11, Dies While Stranded In Death Valley

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32340356/ns/us_news-life

well, for an overnight trip she had a case of water, and food and a spare tire.
sure the arguement could be made to have had more, most of us here would have, but "most of us here" are not part of the normal population.i does bode well for my arguement about not relying on technology but to work with it, me persionally i only use map and compass, why waste the money
sounds like her truck got stuck in an animal burrow, at least she was smart enough to stay with the vehicle
bottom line a trgic accident that she will have to live with the rest of her life, i don't think she was stupid or anything else, she like most folks just thought she would be on an overnight trip 99 times out of 100 it usually is. sad very sad
Hobo2
08-08-2009, 09:10 PM
does this happen a lot? I don't watch the news just too depressing.
crashdive123
08-08-2009, 09:14 PM
Hey Hobo2 - How about heading over to the Introduction Section and tell us about yourself. Thanks. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
wareagle69
08-08-2009, 09:20 PM
does this happen a lot? I don't watch the news just too depressing.

yes it does, i'm sure someone here can find the stats but the years i lived either at or near the grand they lost like 5 people a year that i recall.
equus
08-09-2009, 10:33 AM
that is truly a sad story.
endurance
08-09-2009, 12:54 PM
hmm lets see aw yes here it is
sarky have you ever hiked the canyon? from top to bottom and back to the top? in the winter? in the summer? it is not that simple, i lived at the canyon for a year working as a wrangler, its just not that simple that there is a river running thru it. you would be amazed at the "expereinced "people that need rescued there. the canyon is overwehlming to most folks, but i love it, would love to go back and challenge my self run from north rim to south rim.
Yep, I've done five hikes at the GC between 87-95. Amazing place, but I'd never go below the rim between June and the end of August. We did one trip in mid-May and really regretted it. The heat there is like an oven, expecially on the Tonto Plateau. I don't think most folks understand just how hard it is to get down to the river from the Plateau until they've been there. There's areas you can hike for 20+ miles between water sources and never have a way to get to the river. Some of those water sources are nothing more than a seep that take an hour to produce a gallon of water and an untrained hiker could easily pass it by on their search for "running water".

@WE: We share that same dream. I'd love to do rim to rim, but the window is so narrow between when the weather is right and the North Rim is open that I've never managed to plan it out. That coupled with the logistics of having someone shuttle you is another obsticle to overcome. Oh, and then there's that whole 24 miles in a single day thing...:blushing: I really need to get on this. I'm not getting any younger.

As for Death Valley, my ex-wife just took a job at the north end of the Mojave and man, what a hellish place to live during the summer. I think most folks see the words "National Park" and somehow lose perspective. They have some association or memory of picnicing in some mountain park with groomed trails and picnic tables and don't get the vastness of three million acres of wilderness. That's a scale of space that most people can't compute and they don't get why rangers aren't able to check up on them more regularly... Just another story for the next edition of Deep Survival.
Sarge47
08-09-2009, 01:23 PM
Yep, I've done five hikes at the GC between 87-95. Amazing place, but I'd never go below the rim between June and the end of August. We did one trip in mid-May and really regretted it. The heat there is like an oven, expecially on the Tonto Plateau. I don't think most folks understand just how hard it is to get down to the river from the Plateau until they've been there. There's areas you can hike for 20+ miles between water sources and never have a way to get to the river. Some of those water sources are nothing more than a seep that take an hour to produce a gallon of water and an untrained hiker could easily pass it by on their search for "running water".

@WE: We share that same dream. I'd love to do rim to rim, but the window is so narrow between when the weather is right and the North Rim is open that I've never managed to plan it out. That coupled with the logistics of having someone shuttle you is another obsticle to overcome. Oh, and then there's that whole 24 miles in a single day thing...:blushing: I really need to get on this. I'm not getting any younger.

As for Death Valley, my ex-wife just took a job at the north end of the Mojave and man, what a hellish place to live during the summer. I think most folks see the words "National Park" and somehow lose perspective. They have some association or memory of picnicing in some mountain park with groomed trails and picnic tables and don't get the vastness of three million acres of wilderness. That's a scale of space that most people can't compute and they don't get why rangers aren't able to check up on them more regularly... Just another story for the next edition of Deep Survival.Have you ever read Colin Fletcher's book: The Man Who Walked Through Time? It details his trek one summer of his SOLO hike from one end of the Grand Canyon to the other back in 1966. :cool2:
endurance
08-09-2009, 01:33 PM
Have you ever read Colin Fletcher's book: The Man Who Walked Through Time? It details his trek one summer of his SOLO hike from one end of the Grand Canyon to the other back in 1966. :cool2:
Yep, it was one of my favorites for years. Colin is the reason I stopped carrying 90% of the useless crap I carried around for years before I read the book. I love where he used his air mattress as a flotation device to get across the Colorado. Brilliant!
jrock24
08-10-2009, 04:19 PM
Wow,
That is very sad.
Justin Case
04-18-2010, 12:56 PM
A Little bump as summer approaches,, Its going to be 94 here today, where I live in Arizona near Bullhead City, 120 is not uncommon in the summer, Most locals always carry a cooler, Ice and water in their vehicle at all times (the locals anyway) and in addition to the regular little bottles of water , Myself and many others I know carry an extra 5 gallon jug for pouring on yourself,

http://www.azdhs.gov/phs/oeh/pdf/heat_brochure.pdf
hunter63
04-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Truely sad, gotta feel for the family.
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