Best survival radio communications systems....????

[Sourdough]

OK, price is not an issue, pretend it will be a gift. You wake up in the morning, and your computer is fried, the TV is fried, The phones are all fried, the AM and FM radio stations 600 miles away are broadcasting, but everything you would normally use for gathering information and communication is fried for a 600 mile radius.

However you and your friends and family all have the very BEST radio receivers and also a two-way radios in lead containers inside steel boxes, and they work perfect. If price is no object, what is the best radio system, that does not require a special license to own or operate. (I don't know the answer, I am looking for "THE" answer)

[Sourdough]

And, Please Keep it SIMPLE. I don't need to know about watts, warts, or wavelengths. Just the system.

[SARKY]

Just get a good shortwave radio transciever. In a scenario as you describe all bets are off for licenses.....you don't need one. If it were for normal everyday/no emergency use, you would need a license. Remember though, the antenna is the key to good transmission and reception. Most of the radios on the market are similar but there are different antenna set ups that you can use, that is where to do your research.

[Ken]

Motorola. FRS Band - 450-470 MHz. Repeater, mobile repeater, mobiles and portables.

How about a complete system (FRS and other frequencies in the 450 - 490 MHz range) with a combined 24 radios all stored in waterproof containers in a fireproof underground vault? :)

[Sourdough]

So, Most members don't have Communication Radios......?

[Ken]

So, Most members don't have Communication Radios......?

My best friend of 35 years owns a pretty substantial communications company. Radio and cell phone towers, 100's of radios leased out to businesses, does public safety communications consulting, and just happens to own a few systems that we keep for private use. All licensed, of course. Yep! I'm corporate counsel. Nice benefits package!

[crashdive123]

Hope - I do not have either of these, but sat phone and ham radio might be the way to go.

[Sourdough]

Hope - I do not have either of these, but sat phone and ham radio might be the way to go.

Can you talk over a HAM Radio.....or is it all Morris (sp) Code...????

[crashdive123]

You can talk around the the world (depending on skip) with them.

[Ken]

Can you talk over a HAM Radio.....or is it all Morris (sp) Code...????

Yeah, HAM is voice communications as well. Also digital and still Morse Code - depends on what you want to do with it. However, there is no longer a Morse Code Test requirement like there was when I got my license in 1974.

[oldsoldier]

10 meter ham radio with an 8' mobile antenna in MOST conditions 1000 mile plus range. Same radio on base with 30-40' antenna world wide communications.

CB radio mobile with 102" steel whip antenna and 750 watt lenier amp. 300-500+ mile range. Base with directional "beam" antenna same amp. 400-1000+ miles.

[Sourdough]

This (HAM) license is different than what ever lic. I had to get to use Aircraft Radios...???

[Ken]

This (HAM) license is different than what ever lic. I had to get to use Aircraft Radios...???

Yessir, it's different.

[oldsoldier]

This (HAM) license is different than what ever lic. I had to get to use Aircraft Radios...???

Yep...unless I'm wrong there are even 3-4 different levels of the HAM license.

[Ken]

http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/license-requirements.html

[Sourdough]

http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/license-requirements.html


Some of the aircraft had VHF, and we had a base station at the lodge, we just used the aircraft "N" number for call sign......I wonder if that was legal....?

[crashdive123]

Can't say for sure - but I don't think you need a license for VHF.

[Rick]

I don't have anything like that. Hand helds for the woods is the only thing I have.

[Sourdough]

Can't say for sure - but I don't think you need a license for VHF.


As I recall it was the RADIOS or the base station that was licensed....Anyone at the lodge would answer the radio.

[Sourdough]

I am on a Mountain and can see 50 miles. How much does a HAM Radio cost....???

[pgvoutdoors]

I've used a few different radio setups for field use but a good HAM radio would be the best long range communications setup. As mentioned before a good radio, amplifier, and antenna would be required for a base station. This can become costly if you need to communicate over a long distance with multiple people. Everyone will need a similar setup. I'm not a HAM radio operator but there's a lot of people out there that can help.

I have used equipment by Yaesu and have been very happy.
http://www.yaesu.com/

For local use you could use GMRS/FRF radios. If your looking for a good handheld, I found the Cobra MR HH425LI VP is the best package available.
It has the broadest range of frequencies: FRF, GMRS, Marine Band, and NOAA weather stations for the US and Canada. It's weather resistant and has a removable antenna which enables it to tie in to a better antenna setup. It has a lot of other features and I've been happy with mine.
http://cobra.com/products/handhelds-vhf-radios/mr-hh425li-vp-combination-vhf-gmrs-with-rewind-say-again

Also check out ICOM for quality GMRS handhelds. The IC F21MG has variable transmit power of (4w, 2w, or 1w)
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/landmobile/consumer/4088a/default.aspx

[Sourdough]

Would this Thread be a good sticky'thingy.......?

[oldsoldier]

Hope I bought a 2 meter mobile and magnetic mount antenna last summer here at the ham station. Paid about $ 185.00 plus tax. (new) If ya want I'll check on some local costs be happy to and handle picking up and shipping to you if they have anything you want or arrange shipping through them for you. Just let me know.

[HOSSFLY]

Does Ham work off a repeater system or radio to radio like a C.B does? In a bad case most repeaters would be down due to power failures unless on a backup generator.

[Ken]

Does Ham work off a repeater system or radio to radio like a C.B does? In a bad case most repeaters would be down due to power failures unless on a backup generator.

WAAAAAAAAAAY back in the 70's we used a repeater for 2 meter HAM. We even built a home-made "auto-patch" system which allowed us to make telephone calls from our radios. Kinda' neat at the time. :)

[HOSSFLY]

I have and use VHF,frs and Gmrs radios,and a CB . But the skip is so bad on the CB.

[crashdive123]

Back when I was using CB radios (still had to register with the FCC - my call letters KRT 6030) you were limited to 5 watts maximum. Is that still the case?

[Ken]

Back when I was using CB radios (still had to register with the FCC - my call letters KRT 6030) you were limited to 5 watts maximum. Is that still the case?

Yep, 5 watts then, not sure about today either. Back then, my "handle" was "Hemorrhoid." :innocent::blushing:

[Rick]

KAGM 6291 in my Civil Defense days, if I remember correctly.

[Ken]

HAM was KA1BGH. Like a dummy, I allowed it to expire. :blushing:

[crashdive123]

It's weird. Sometimes I can't remember what I had for lunck, but I remember my call letters from 35 years ago.

[crashdive123]

Ken - how difficult was it/is it to get your ticket?

[Ken]

Ken - how difficult was it/is it to get your ticket?

It was a lot harder when I got my Tech grade from what I hear. We had a code requirement back then. I was going for my "General" grade and had my code speed up to 35 cpm. Never took the General exam. Back then, there was also a "Novice" license - no more.

The test (theory) is really pretty simple. With your technical background, the study materials should be a snap.

[oldsoldier]

Back when I was using CB radios (still had to register with the FCC - my call letters KRT 6030) you were limited to 5 watts maximum. Is that still the case?

crash for your normal 40 channel CB most come set at 4-6 watts from factory. But unless you get insane with it and get a lot of complaints the FCC more or less ignores CB's anymore I had mine " peeked and tuned" So i'm running about 60 watts from mine now. ( costs around $50.00) If you have a CB with sideband they usuall y run about 20 watts on SB out of the box. Some of the CB's have FM and 2 meter channels ( FM and 2 meter require license) and they have between 10-50 watts. So it depends on which one you have.

[oldsoldier]

Does Ham work off a repeater system or radio to radio like a C.B does? In a bad case most repeaters would be down due to power failures unless on a backup generator.

2 meter HAM works both ways.If you are within 8-10 miles you can usually communicate unit to unit But if you are farther away or across a large city your signal is usually "bounced" off 1 or more repeaters

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

We had ours peeked and tuned with my hunt club and you could key up the carwash. On accident I keyed up beside a young feller that had a basic and his radio was done. I could talk a long way. I need to hook mine back up pulled my antenna wire on a stump.....I was talking regularly 200 miles plus. I wasn't the one in the club with all the knowledge but i still have that old Midland.

[oldsoldier]

We had ours peeked and tuned with my hunt club and you could key up the carwash. On accident I keyed up beside a young feller that had a basic and his radio was done. I could talk a long way. I need to hook mine back up pulled my antenna wire on a stump.....I was talking regularly 200 miles plus. I wasn't the one in the club with all the knowledge but i still have that old Midland.

Cowboy.... Those old radios could really "blow smoke" If you have an old one hang on to it they can be peeked up to arond 100 watts and will talk to mars with the right antenna usually a 102" steel whip.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

It is at my old house. I will grab it next trip and tell you what it was before it was tweaked. I used a nice whip with it. Tore the vinyl off of McDonalds in the drive through. It has some good memories behind it too....We all had 'em, sometimes I miss those days!

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Yeah when I was a kid we'd go out and listen to one and see if the "Skip" was in. I once heard someone from Pa. and I was in S.Ga. little town called Homerville near the Fla. line. when I was older I got one,had it Peaked and Tuned and could talk about 20 miles regardless of the skip. I had a friend that lived that far ,but it was long distance by phone(go figure) so I'd talk to him on the CB instead.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Once I got a call by land line to the hunt club. They needed a 4X4 so I was on the way with a '77 K5 400 cu.in. small block with 305 heads steam holed. I pulled down in the swamp all the way on the radio.... I found him deep in nasty rut! We hooked up the chains. I started to pull him nice and gentle... well he began to dislike the smooth path.... Cussed me a few times over the radio... OK It is on... His son comes over the radio.. "Cowboy please don't mess my Daddy's truck up... KEYED UP LOUD FULL THROTTLE COME"N TO THE ROAD BOYS!!!! WHOOOAAAOOO! Found me a "Found On The Road Dead" to play with!!!

[homejoy]

Hello, I started a thread called Personal Locater Beacons and someone kindly directed me here. We have a lake access, off grid cabin on a small lake in Canada about 30 miles from the nearest town. There are a few neighbors on the other side of the lake but only one we can see and those folks don't seem to be home much. We have a friend who lives on the other side of that house, behind a hill. There is usually someone home there and they would call SAR or come to our rescue. There are no roads on our side and no houses, either.

I am looking for a way to call for SAR help in case of emergency. The local head paramedic suggested an iridium sat phone but that's overkill in terms of price as we are not at the cabin all that often. The new Fast Find 210 PLB is now cleared for Canada and costs under $300. We travel quite a bit so it could come in handy in other parts of the globe, too.

Or would radio phones make sense for us? Would we have to put up an antenna for ourselves and one at the top of our friend's hill? There also is a road with fairly frequent trucks going by to the nearby gas and oil fields so they might also pick up a radio call. I don't know, it sounds iffy to me.

[crashdive123]

Homejoy - I would think that you want the most reliable device that is in your budget. Not knowing all of the logistics of the area, I'm not sure how the radio system would work - although I would seriously consider it. A radio system will give you the flexibility to accomplish more than just a rescue. Medical advice can be obtained, early warning of approaching storms, etc, etc. If however, your only concern is for medivac in an emergency it sounds as though you can accomplish that with the plb you are looking at.

[UnknownWarrior]

OK, price is not an issue, pretend it will be a gift. You wake up in the morning, and your computer is fried, the TV is fried, The phones are all fried, the AM and FM radio stations 600 miles away are broadcasting, but everything you would normally use for gathering information and communication is fried for a 600 mile radius.

However you and your friends and family all have the very BEST radio receivers and also a two-way radios in lead containers inside steel boxes, and they work perfect. If price is no object, what is the best radio system, that does not require a special license to own or operate. (I don't know the answer, I am looking for "THE" answer)

What are the conditions where most HAM and other radio communications would fail longterm ? And what can you do for that situation? Forget solar power as it's heavy rains and mostly cloudy.

I read in some posts in this thread that repeaters are used for communicating longer than 20 miles or so.

[UnknownWarrior]

Just get a good shortwave radio transciever. In a scenario as you describe all bets are off for licenses.....you don't need one. If it were for normal everyday/no emergency use, you would need a license. Remember though, the antenna is the key to good transmission and reception. Most of the radios on the market are similar but there are different antenna set ups that you can use, that is where to do your research.

Does that mean I can use a HAM radio without a license in emergencies? Be it any country or that's just for the U.S.?

[oldsoldier]

What are the conditions where most HAM and other radio communications would fail longterm ? And what can you do for that situation? Forget solar power as it's heavy rains and mostly cloudy.

I read in some posts in this thread that repeaters are used for communicating longer than 20 miles or so.

Depending on the type of equipment you buy A hand crank military surplus generator ( about $50-$75) will charge a hand held unit battery rather quickly as well as a 12v "car battery" Plus most batteries like a car battery will somewhat rebuild there own "charge" if the source of "draw" is removed between uses. As for com distane true a 2 meter radio usually is " line of sight" or up to about 15-20 miles without a repeater. Much more you have serious signal degredation and need to "hit" a repeater. BUT a 10 meter band HAM as well as some others are world wide without need of a repeater or sattelite. Although a 2 meter is fairly cheap. A 10 meter can cost $800.00 or more per unit.

[Rick]

I've been giving this some thought (which is hugely dangerous) and I've decided that a hand held CB might not be a bad thing to have along on a hike. If you don't have cell service you might still be able to use the CB. You can buy used ones pretty darned cheap. Might make some inexpensive insurance.

Thoughts?

[crashdive123]

I've not used a hand held CB - no help here.

[Rick]

There's a bunch on eBay.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=hand+held+CB&_sacat=See-All-Categories

[crashdive123]

Looking at the specs on them, it seems like they should work. Carrying an external antennae if you're in a mountainous area might add to the range a bit.

[UnknownWarrior]

CB Radio, Communications Radio, HAM Radio - what's the difference between them? Sorry I'm knowledgeless in this area. Do the license policies change country to country?

[Rick]

Both CB and Ham radio are communications radios. That is, they are radios used for communications.

CB or Citizen Band radios operate in the 27 Mgh or 11m band.

Ham radios operate in the Medium Freq. range around 160 m while the High Frequency band is from 10m to 80m.

In the U.S. the CB is unlicensed and short range (generally). Somewhere between 1 and 10 miles depending on terrain. However, depending on equipment and atmospheric conditions, CB can broadcast dozens or even hundreds of miles.

Ham or Amateur, on the other hand, requires a license in the U.S. and can talk globally, depending on equipment.

I don't know license requirements for other countries.

[Rick]

I bit the bullet and bought a handheld CB. I was torn between "one more thing to carry" and "one more way to get out of trouble". I guess I'll just have to try it and see if it works for me. I bought a Midland 75-822. It can be used as a handheld or converted to use as a mobile. Here's a picture of it in both configurations.

http://www.midland2way.com/v/vspfiles/photos/75-822-1.jpg

There are a number of reasons I went with this model.
1. It received consistently good reviews
2. It can be used as a mobile or a handheld
3. It weighs .4 pounds
4. It uses 6AA batteries as a handheld. Most handhelds use 9!
5. It's very compact. 3.5 x 2.75 x 1.5
6. It also incorporates an NOAA weather radio
7. You can use a headset with it, which makes it quieter
8. It was about half off MSRP at Amazon.com

Time will tell if this becomes a regular pack member or something for the bob.

[HOSSFLY]

Rick. I have one myself.Works great.Get about 5-12 miles distance depending on the weather. The weather channels work great.

[UnknownWarrior]

I bit the bullet and bought a handheld CB. I was torn between "one more thing to carry" and "one more way to get out of trouble". I guess I'll just have to try it and see if it works for me. I bought a Midland 75-822. It can be used as a handheld or converted to use as a mobile. Here's a picture of it in both configurations.

http://www.midland2way.com/v/vspfiles/photos/75-822-1.jpg

There are a number of reasons I went with this model.
1. It received consistently good reviews
2. It can be used as a mobile or a handheld
3. It weighs .4 pounds
4. It uses 6AA batteries as a handheld. Most handhelds use 9!
5. It's very compact. 3.5 x 2.75 x 1.5
6. It also incorporates an NOAA weather radio
7. You can use a headset with it, which makes it quieter
8. It was about half off MSRP at Amazon.com

Time will tell if this becomes a regular pack member or something for the bob.

Forgive my ignorance but which one is the mobile and which one is the radio?

How heavy is it?

Pls provide the amaZon link.

[Rick]

There is no ignorance here. The picture on the left in my original post is the hand held radio with a battery pack attached on the bottom of it. The picture on the right in the original post is the same radio with the battery pack removed and a vehicle adapter plugged into it. The vehicle adapter allows you to utilize vehicle power and an external antenna.

Here is a picture showing the different components.

https://www.phatperformanceparts.com/photos/MDCB-822.jpg

The device on the left is the vehicle adapter and slides onto the bottom of the radio, which is the second picture from the left. Above the radio is the rubber antenna for the hand held configuration. Here in the States we refer to that antenna as a "rubber duck" antenna because is it rubberized.

The item below the radio is the battery pack and the item to the right is the AC power adapter that will let you charge the battery pack if you are using rechargeable batteries. I assume you can use the radio in your house using the AC power adapter but I won't know that for certain until I receive it. Some appliances won't let you use the device while the batteries are charging.

Just the radio without the battery pack or the vehicle adapter weighs about .18 kilograms or .4 pounds.

Finally, here is the link to the Amazon site.

http://www.amazon.com/MIDLAND-75-822-Channel-Way-Radio/dp/B00000K2YR

I also picked up an external antenna for the vehicle and the headset.

I hope that helps!!

[oldsoldier]

CB Radio, Communications Radio, HAM Radio - what's the difference between them? Sorry I'm knowledgeless in this area. Do the license policies change country to country?

A basic run down on your questions first CB or citizens band radio operates on basic AM frequencies and an average range depending on terrain,weather,etc. can be as little as 1 mile up to 5-6 miles. However if you are on high ground with no obstructions such as a mountian top, and the signal "skip" is just right you COULD communicate up to several hundred miles however with a skip signal that type of range is extremely spotty at best. If you add a linear amp. Of say 250 watts or more, with a good antenna you expand your range of signal to up to 50-60 +. The CB radios perks are they are fairly cheap to start with less than $100 for a radio and antenna. Prices then can range up to a couple grand if you get fancy and load up the extra power (wattage). The down side is They are cheap, no license required and almost 75% of people have one or more, so the airwaves may be jammed with traffic and offer almost no privacy.

Ham radio operates on several frequencies. Most common is the 2 meter band fairly cheap. less than $200 to start. They have a range of about 25 miles without a repeater.
The next choice is 10 meter band fairly expensive, around $1000 per unit to start and up from there with a good 10 meter band radio and good antenna. You can possibly communicate world wide with dependable results.

Unlike CB a HAM radio does require a license in the United States. I am not sure about any other countries. But I would say they require at least some type of license.

I hope this helps you somewhat on the difference between them and the pros and cons of each

[mortars101]

old soldier since we're in the same neck of the woods where would be a good place to get a ham radio been getting ready to get my cert

[oldsoldier]

old soldier since we're in the same neck of the woods where would be a good place to get a ham radio been getting ready to get my cert
Hey Chris if this is advertising SORRY!!!
If you get to Evansville there is a shop on Fulton avenue and Franklin st. Called the Ham station, I can P.M. you the phone # if you want. I bought my 2 meter ham there including the antenna for about $ 185.00. They also sell 10 meter equipment as well you can get new or used equipment, about anything to fit a budget.

[crashdive123]

It's not your shop - you're fine.

[oldsoldier]

It's not your shop - you're fine.

Thanks Crash.... Oh I got the paracord today. if your offer still stands?

[crashdive123]

Sure. What kind of stuff do you want made?

[oldsoldier]

Sure. What kind of stuff do you want made?

when you get a change PM me the address you want me to send it to. As for what to make Maybe a strap/leash for the dog 8-10' and a couple of 7"or 8" braclets if that sounds okay?

[crashdive123]

Sure. PM on the way.

[oldsoldier]

Bump.......

[Sourdough]

Sourdough,

Based on this thread - have you made any decisions on communications? Have you acquired any communication devices? Do you have something other than telephone land line or cell that will reach Anchorage?



Nope............Just a land line.

[Rick]

Yeah. We feel that way a lot of times, too. But what are you gonna do? He's ours so we'll keep him.

[Beo]

Hands down the best commo radio out there is the one that works... lol...
Personally I think people suk and there is no one I really wanna talk to enough to get a special radio for... lol...
I prefer smoke signals though, only a strong wind screws them up and when it's raining they lag and can be difficult to read... lol...
The tin can and string method is an age proven technique also... lol
and then there is the carrier pigeon method... which you can eat if it acts up or you get really hungry... makes a fine meal... lol
screaming works well for the wife, seems I always here her when she does that...
or you can lay your head to the ground and listen, doesnt have to be for a train either...
have seen a method where two neighbors shot an arrow with a message tied to it but when the one neighbor tried to catch it... he got killed, I don't recomend that method...

Hope this helps... lol
Beo,

[Trabitha]

OK, price is not an issue, pretend it will be a gift. You wake up in the morning, and your computer is fried, the TV is fried, The phones are all fried, the AM and FM radio stations 600 miles away are broadcasting, but everything you would normally use for gathering information and communication is fried for a 600 mile radius.

However you and your friends and family all have the very BEST radio receivers and also a two-way radios in lead containers inside steel boxes, and they work perfect. If price is no object, what is the best radio system, that does not require a special license to own or operate. (I don't know the answer, I am looking for "THE" answer)

I OWN the answer. ;)
I have an old Zenith Trans Oceanic AM-FM Multiband radio from when my father got it as a kid.
Thing works like a dream. We have it set up to be plugged in and take batteries if needed. Damn thing is SICK! We can listen to radio from across the country, into Canada, and over the pond.
Won't give it up for the world. :D

[Justin Case]

Who Cares about a License in a survival situation ? I don't, I would get a good Yeasu Ham rig ,,, you dont need a License to listen anyway, With the right Ham radio you can cover EMS also, :)

[Ken]

A tech license is really easy to obtain. No more code requirement. Just sayin'. :)

[Justin Case]

lets see here -.-.-...-.- ok :)

[Ken]

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[Justin Case]

If you say so ,, LOL

[Batch]

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I have been running my fingers over that for hours. Most messed up brail I ever read...:innocent:

[crashdive123]

snort - chuckle - snort

[jbtusa]

2 meter handheld ham radio is the best and most reliable communications available. I always carry one camping, hunting or flying. They have far better and more reliable coverage than cell phones. That's why I carry one when I fly the back country. They will always hit a repeater from somewhere and therefore you can always find help. They also link into the phone system via "autopatch" so you can call on the phone too. Used 2 meter handhelds are cheap and can be found under $100. The basic ham license test is a no morse code test and easy. Any idiot can pass the 35 question test. No excuses, get your ham license! (You'll have fun with it too when you travel.)

[crashdive123]

2 meter handheld ham radio is the best and most reliable communications available. I always carry one camping, hunting or flying. They have far better and more reliable coverage than cell phones. That's why I carry one when I fly the back country. They will always hit a repeater from somewhere and therefore you can always find help. They also link into the phone system via "autopatch" so you can call on the phone too. Used 2 meter handhelds are cheap and can be found under $100. The basic ham license test is a no morse code test and easy. Any idiot can pass the 35 question test. No excuses, get your ham license! (You'll have fun with it too when you travel.)

Good to know. Also - no excuses - stop on by the intro section. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14 Thanks.

[Trabitha]

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[Camp10]

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[Trabitha]

The commonly overlooked problem with operating a HAM radio (or any other radio without a license) is that the bandwidths available to you will likely be so overcrowded that sending a message will be impossible.

Also, you shouldn't underestimate the government's ability to stubbornly continue functioning as frequency police during a catastrophic failure of society. Chances are the FCC will clamp down even harder WTSHTF, because they'll want to keep their own communications options uncluttered by private citizens. You can also count on the military shutting down any transmissions that they think will interfere with their own ability to function as an internal security force. Military jamming hardware tends to indiscriminately shut down every transmitter and/or receiver on any band. It doesn't just interrupt it. In some cases, it burns out the circuitry too.

[Trabitha]

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[Rick]

Well, I bit the bullet and ordered the Yaesu VX-6R and I've decided to get my technician license. That way I've covered all basis on communications. The Yaesu is on sale until the end of the month.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/ht/0666.html

[crashdive123]

Keep this up and we'll have to call you Mr. Gadget Jr.

That is the radio that I will probably get eventually. Let us know how the licensing process goes.

[Rick]

I ordered two ARRL books for the tech license. One is The ARRL Ham Radio License Manual.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0872590836?ie=UTF8&tag=hamstudybooks-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0872590836

The other is the ARRL Tech Q and A.

http://www.amazon.com/Arrls-Tech-Quick-First-Liscense/dp/0872590844/ref=pd_sim_b_3

[Justin Case]

you can take example tests here http://www.eham.net/exams/

[Rick]

Super! Thanks!!

[Justin Case]

Welcome :)

[oldsoldier]

Well, I bit the bullet and ordered the Yaesu VX-6R and I've decided to get my technician license. That way I've covered all basis on communications. The Yaesu is on sale until the end of the month.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/ht/0666.html

Okay rick. Have you been watching my internet orders?:innocent: The unit you ordered is the one i also bought several months ago. It's a great radio. In addition to having the "ham" channels, it also has channels you can monitor some are even law enforcement and EMS bands plus NOAA weather radio bands. For the price it is an excellent choice. I think you'll be pleased.

[oldsoldier]

Keep this up and we'll have to call you Mr. Gadget Jr.

That is the radio that I will probably get eventually. Let us know how the licensing process goes.

Here now crash:tongue_smilie: I resemble that remark:innocent:

[Rick]

Well, great minds and all. It must be the Hoosier in us.

[oldsoldier]

Well, great minds and all. It must be the Hoosier in us.

You got that one right,

[Rick]

The Yaesu arrived today. All I can say is holy cow. This thing came with two technicians, a computer engineer and three guys just to look up stuff in the manual. I figured out how to plug in the charger. If I can figure out what the interface of packet TNCs and CTCSS/DCS Operations are I'll be in like Flynn. More to come.....maybe. (This thing is worse that a VCR)

[crashdive123]

I did a trade today (it's in the mail anyway) on a couple of hand held CB's.

[oldsoldier]

The Yaesu arrived today. All I can say is holy cow. This thing came with two technicians, a computer engineer and three guys just to look up stuff in the manual. I figured out how to plug in the charger. If I can figure out what the interface of packet TNCs and CTCSS/DCS Operations are I'll be in like Flynn. More to come.....maybe. (This thing is worse that a VCR)

Rick I'll try to find the site/link I found and send it to you. It has a ( i think) 20 minute tutorial video on how to program and operate the radio. The manual IMO is not user friendly unless you are VERY technically minded, however the video is easy enough for even I can understand it. I'll try to find it and send you the link.

[Rick]

I'm currently studying for my technician's license. I had no idea Ham radio was as technical as it is. I'm pretty impressed with the knowledge that hams have. I thought you might find it of interest. Here's a couple of sample questions:

Q 13: What is the cause of irregular fading of signals from distant stations during times of generally good reception? (T3A08)

A. Absorption of signals by the "D" layer of the ionosphere.
B. Absorption of signals by the "E" layer of the ionosphere.
C. Random combining of signals arriving via different path lengths.
D. Intermodulation distortion in the local receiver.



Q 26: What circuit is pictured in Figure T7, if block 1 is a frequency discriminator? (T7A04)

A. A double-conversion receiver.
B. A regenerative receiver.
C. A superheterodyne receiver.
D. An FM receiver.

http://aa9pw.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/technician2010/T7.gif

[Justin Case]

A, A,,,,,,,,,,?

[crashdive123]

C and D........

[Rick]

You can take practice exams, which is where these questions came from. I took one before I started studying then I've taken one after finishing each chapter. I past my first test after chapter 4. There may be hope for me. I'm really concerned about that old dog, new trick liability thingie.

[crashdive123]

The Navy actually taught me most of that stuff...........a long, long time ago. Now, if I could just remember it.

[oldsoldier]

I'll vote D and D

[AirborneEagles]

Mods for Yaesu VX-6R.

Here are some modifications to talk on 137 – 174, 222 – 230, and 420 – 469 frequencies with the VX-6R.

http://www.halfzware.com/wordpress/2006/02/19/vx-6r-mods

Also some other mods for better TX and better sound.
http://www.mods.dk/index.php?ModelId=822&RadioRec=yaesu

I modified my Yeasu about a year ago and it works, able to talk on all those frequencies (except I don't mess with police or military frequencies), but it allows you more options of whom you can talk to.

Enjoy.

[Rick]

I'm not sure I understand the need. If it's something you want to do then okay. With several bands that I CAN talk on and several more common (AM, FM, Weather) that I can receive I, personally, have everything I need. The purpose for me is to have the ability to know what's going on in an emergency and to be be able to call for help when in the woods if I have to. The factory model does all that for me and I'm not taking the risk of hosing up an expensive piece of equipment. Just my point of view. But thanks for the links.

[AirborneEagles]

The reasons can be anything from using lower channels which do not require a license to talk on to even being able to communicate with law enforcement during a disaster, since if you have an emergency you can use all frequencies except military to call for help on even without a license. Since any emergency even those who do not have a license can talk on HAM radio stations to call for help. Those are just a few reasons to have the modification, which is useful for me since I live off the grid and miles from anyone else, my neighbor is over a mile away. There are many on this forum who probably have similar circumstances in which they live away from everyone else, so having alternative ways to communicate is nice to have on hand. At least it is for me.

As for the lower frequencies that do not require a license (there are also stations in the HAM range that do not require a license) I use these to frequently talk to friends since I do not even get cell phone reception here.
Since the CB is not capable of reaching many of my friends who live several cities over, the HAM is great to use in those cases on those frequencies, but also I do have my license for HAM and I can use the others as well. It is just a case of preference, but it does make a difference to me and some others.
Just great to have it all ready on hand.

[Rick]

Gotcha. That would be a situation of anything that's usable.

[Wise Old Owl]

Just get a good shortwave radio transciever. In a scenario as you describe all bets are off for licenses.....you don't need one. If it were for normal everyday/no emergency use, you would need a license. Remember though, the antenna is the key to good transmission and reception. Most of the radios on the market are similar but there are different antenna set ups that you can use, that is where to do your research.

The licence like a car licence is there to prevent you from blowing it up. You become knowledgable to avoid mismatchs and electricution.


Can't say for sure - but I don't think you need a license for VHF.

YES you do need one.


I am on a Mountain and can see 50 miles. How much does a HAM Radio cost....???

2nd hand and $400 and you don't need a mountain - VOA is in a cowfield.


Does Ham work off a repeater system or radio to radio like a C.B does? In a bad case most repeaters would be down due to power failures unless on a backup generator.

Repeaters are cool but not nessary. CB does not use repeaters, it works on ionized air called skip. VHF and UHF use repeaters on some freq to involve lower power and greater range.


HAM was KA1BGH. Like a dummy, I allowed it to expire. :blushing:

ME too.


Hello, I started a thread called Personal Locater Beacons and someone kindly directed me here. We have a lake access, off grid cabin on a small lake in Canada about 30 miles from the nearest town. There are a few neighbors on the other side of the lake but only one we can see and those folks don't seem to be home much. We have a friend who lives on the other side of that house, behind a hill. There is usually someone home there and they would call SAR or come to our rescue. There are no roads on our side and no houses, either.

PLB/s are way better

I am looking for a way to call for SAR help in case of emergency. The local head paramedic suggested an iridium sat phone but that's overkill in terms of price as we are not at the cabin all that often. The new Fast Find 210 PLB is now cleared for Canada and costs under $300. We travel quite a bit so it could come in handy in other parts of the globe, too.

Or would radio phones make sense for us? Would we have to put up an antenna for ourselves and one at the top of our friend's hill? There also is a road with fairly frequent trucks going by to the nearby gas and oil fields so they might also pick up a radio call. I don't know, it sounds iffy to me.


click here (http://www.rei.com/product/801769)


Does that mean I can use a HAM radio without a license in emergencies? Be it any country or that's just for the U.S.?

You can - only because in the past it was unenforceable some years... during a war time build up the FCC becomes involved, very serious! Otherwise neighborhood HAM operators will turn you in or fine you if you are caught without a licence during non emergencies.


I've been giving this some thought (which is hugely dangerous) and I've decided that a hand held CB might not be a bad thing to have along on a hike. If you don't have cell service you might still be able to use the CB. You can buy used ones pretty darned cheap. Might make some inexpensive insurance.

Thoughts?

Honest - Very impractical - check out the link for spot.


Who Cares about a License in a survival situation ? I don't, I would get a good Yeasu Ham rig ,,, you dont need a License to listen anyway, With the right Ham radio you can cover EMS also, :)

I didn't either - but some of my freinds got 10k fines.


I did a trade today (it's in the mail anyway) on a couple of hand held CB's.

great. check out spot too.

[crashdive123]

The SPOT system is not something that I woudl choose. If it works for you, then it works for me.

[crashdive123]

On the VHF radio thing....for marine use, or EPIRB use, a license is not required (yes, there are some restrictions) - Telecommunications Act of 1996.

[Wise Old Owl]

tough call but I am sure if two people used a marine radio other than marine use - which I have never detected, The FCC would be pretty quick to shut it down. Might take a few months...

[Wise Old Owl]

The SPOT system is not something that I woudl choose. If it works for you, then it works for me.

Keep in mind you only need half of spot the GPS is for sending text back home by bluetooth. Homejoy was looking for a eme device to get ems.

[RichNH]

In response to the note that suggested getting a ham radio and not getting a license. A ham radio license isn't that hard to get if you have average intelligence. I would encourage you to get the study manual that the ARRL publishes, read though it, check out the questions from the actual test (they give you all the questions that could be on the test plus the answers) and then get the license. The reason I encourage you to get your license is because communicating via radio isn't as simple as turning it on and pressing the button on the mic. There's a lot more to it than that. In addition, any HF rig that is not an HT (walkie talkie) is probably capable of putting out enough energy through the antenna to cause injury should you not know what you're doing.

Think of it this way: Would you buy a gun and never use it until an actual emergency arose? Of course not. Learning to use a piece of eqipment is all about practice. Given that, what makes you think that buying a 2 way radio and not using it or even learning HOW to set it up is any different? You do need to have at least a base core of knowledge you know. The old adage is practice makes perfect. This is especially true if you are considering using the radio in a situation where power isn't just an electrical outlet away.

Rich

[Rick]

That's probably good advice but my failing the @#$% test puts me below average intelligence I guess. I have no desire to yak on the radio. I couldn't hear the other end anyway. It's a portable Yaesu and it's here for emergencies only. So, yeah, it is about pushing the button and talking. I don't need to make perfect, just contact.

[Rick]

That's probably good advice but my failing the @#$% test puts me below average intelligence I guess. I have no desire to yak on the radio. I couldn't hear the other end anyway.  It's a portable Yaesu and it's here for emergencies only. So, yeah, it is about pushing the button and talking. I don't need to make perfect, just contact or listen in to what's going on (which someone else will have to do anyway).

[wardtom084]

Hello guys, As you can see this is my first post. Ham radio is communication that can't be beat. I got my license back in 72 and it is much easier now. Back then you did not know the questions on the test and now you study from a book that has the questions or test at the back of the book. This is a sample of several questions that may be asked. You just don't know which question might be asked. Also one was required to learn the code. I have the advanced license, talked all over the world, navy ships, run what is called phone batch traffic for people overseas. Have even talked to the space shuttle.

Having an antenna is a simple thing to do in an emergency. I always used a dipole antenna. It is just two pieces of wire cut to a particular length (depending on frequency, longer length for lower frequencies, shorter for higher). On the coax the shield goes to one side, center conductor to another.

Trying to place a story in my mind that was several years ago. Some army group over seas had attracted and some students at the school had hid a ham radio and were calling for help. So you can't beat it.

The, what is called 2 meter 147 mhz, is what we have a lot of repeaters on. It is line of sight communications which means basically, you see me, you can talk to me. Also repeaters are put in orbit called oscar. We actually communicate with them and, once again, line of sight which has me talking all over the place on very low power.

[intothenew]

I started with FRS quite a few years ago for hunting. Migrated to GMRS because of the wattage increase, and yes I do have a license. The individual license allows anyone in my immediate family to operate on it. I have two 5 watt quasi bases, and a multitude of 2 watt handhelds. Non of those accept an external antennae.


If I understand the license correctly, I can go up to 50 watts and have an external antennae staying within a few guidelines on height. I have been researching on taking full advantage of the license, but am a bit timid of what I am finding.


First, the wish list.

50 watts GMRS (existing license)

.5 watt FRS ( no license required )

2 watts MURS ( no license required )

HAM ( Rx only for the moment, license to follow if deemed necessary )

Weather

External antennae

One radio ( x 5 for all member locales )

Legal


Mobile or base would be acceptable, but mobile would be preferred. 12 volt power and the ability to carry to ridge top for better reception being biggies. Roughly an 8 mile range will be required worst case.


That may in fact be an impossible goal. Dual band (VHF/UHF), programmable power output, FCC "type accepted", and two separate "tuned antennae"? Can anybody help me wade through this, or let me in the boat? The information is overflowing my hip waders, and I don't figure chest waders are going to help either.

[Wildthang]

Since I keep my BOB in my truck at all times, and it could get stolen, I do not keep expensive items in it. I have a 40 channel hand held CB radio that is fairly light weight, and has a telescoping antenna about 3 feet long. I bought it from Fleabay for 20 dollars about 8 years ago, and it is like new since I have never used it except to make sure it works. So I stretched a plastic bag over it, and it slips right into a side pocket on my BOB. I keep 8 extra batteries for it, and if it gets stolen out of the truck, I aint lost much.
It is a full 4 watt output, and I have talked to truckers 6-8 miles away and much farther when the skip ws right. There is no guarantee it will work out in the wilderness, but I feel better with it than I would a 2 watt FRS unit!

[Wildthang]

Since I keep my BOB in my truck at all times, and it could get stolen, I do not keep expensive items in it. I have a 40 channel hand held CB radio that is fairly light weight, and has a telescoping antenna about 3 feet long. I bought it from Fleabay for 20 dollars about 8 years ago, and it is like new since I have never used it except to make sure it works. So I stretched a plastic bag over it, and it slips right into a side pocket on my BOB. I keep 8 extra batteries for it, and if it gets stolen out of the truck, I aint lost much.
It is a full 4 watt output, and I have talked to truckers 6-8 miles away and much farther when the skip ws right. There is no guarantee it will work out in the wilderness, but I feel better with it than I would a 2 watt FRS unit!
Plus I just love saying, how about you Rubber Duck:scared

[hunter63]

Had a had a pair of held 40 channel Cobra units......then one went belly up...so i do carry the last one but leave out the batteries as it uses 16 AA's.

After my quest with the walkie talkies, I thinking maybe I need to look into the ham more......

[Wildthang]

Yeah those Yeasu's are a portable ham as such, but I think they are around $300 to 400 bucks, and too expensive to just leave in the truck all the time. I will probably get one someday, but for now, the old 40 channel CB will do! If I thought I was going to be 30 or 40 miles from any highway, town, or anything, I would get a Yeasu because the range is phenominal on those things!

[Rick]

I have a Midland 75-822 Portable and the Yaesu VX-6. I carry the Yaesu just about everywhere in the woods. It's completely submersible including the mike to 3 feet for 30 minutes. So I don't have to worry about it getting wet in a rainstorm. $250ish if I remember right. The price might be posted in the thread someplace. I don't remember. It also has five weather service bands so you get weather reports no matter where you are. As well as a barometric chip that displays the pressure.

[Old Professor]

I have a set of frs ( 2) licensed COBRA radios and my license expires 6/20/12. I am not renewing my license and will be getting rid of them AFTER the license expires. If some on wants them, they can have them for paying the shipping. I have only used them on one hunt in canada just after they were licensed.

[Rick]

I'm not one to go against the law but you might be the only guy I know that is licensed for FRS. If you just want to get rid of them I'll take them but you don't have to have a license to operate them. I really don't know of anyone else that is licensed.

[intothenew]

FRS does not require a license in the US, and is restricted to .5 watt.


Linky (http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/family-radio-service-frs)

[Old Professor]

They are FRS/GMRS and do need to be licensed, to the tune of about $85 for a five year license.

Rick, since you responded first, you can have them. I don't want to send them before 6/20 because my license is valid until then and I would be responsible for any misuse (not that I think you would misuse them).
I will contact you later as to where to send them.

[intothenew]

FWIW, and I assume you have a GMRS license, a GMRS license is not tied to any particular radio. That is a license for you and your immediate family to operate on those particular frequencies.

[Rick]

If anyone else needs them please speak up.

[intothenew]

Here, right here.

[Rick]

Then you are welcome to them. I would take them but do have a pair. I just don't want to be a hog. If you don't have any then work out delivery with OP.

OP - thanks for a generous offer!!

[intothenew]

In full disclosure;

I gave my three handhelds, one each to the varmints. I am now left with two bases, too heavy to carry afield. I have to have two more handhelds by October, hunting season.

[Rick]

See what a nice guy I am? I keep saying it and no one believes me. Besides, by the time I get done taking naps it will be well into August. That's my fiscal nap year. Then I have to start all over again.

[intothenew]

I will salute the "Welcome to Indiana" sign, when I pass it, in your honor. I have to work in your brier patch for a few days.

[Rick]

I've never tried to pass a Welcome to Indiana sign. I'd suggest lots of mineral oil. Lots and lots of mineral oil.

[intothenew]

It's not too bad, but certainly not as easy as a Welcome to Wild, Wonderful, West Virginia. Those are actually soothing.

[Kosuki]

I have a CERT radio to dispatch, and getting my HAM licence for National/International Communication.

[Echo2]

Question for the comms folks here....

I gotta turn this...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7974476784_6ebbbb3a2d.jpg

Into this.....

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdlLVKFK-lyPz4GSRkqH_ykh_UaVhy_FCaJ4mGe_mNF8NRoJZZ

Any ideas?

It is a Nexus AP-107....to a Motorola CP-200 2pin std.

I've seen the adapter before at a hog hunt.....but have no idea who makes it.

[Geek]

I'm not one to go against the law but you might be the only guy I know that is licensed for FRS. If you just want to get rid of them I'll take them but you don't have to have a license to operate them. I really don't know of anyone else that is licensed.

I have one of these licenses. For the $85 you cover up to 5 radios. I have no idea whether enforcement is an issue, but I have the license if it ever comes up.

[Rick]

I think you are in luck. You'll need to talk to Gentex or a Gentex dealer. Gentex makes all sorts of adapters and they make one for the ICOM IC-FS3 radio that converts from the DP-200 to the AP-107. Ask them about part # 04C11880-2 and verify that it will do what you want but I think that's what you are looking for.

Here's a link to the IC-FS3. Look at the headsets and VOX on page 3 or so. They look like DP-200 plugs on the combined plugs.

http://www.expressautomation.com/App_Images/ICOMICF3ICF4_brochure.pdf

Here's a brochure from Gentex that shows the adapter in the dual radio section (3rd from the bottom).

http://ps.imirage.com/psgentexpub/default.aspx?pageid=1360&template=11&visedit=false&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

[Sparks]

Interesting thread.

I am an Amateur Radio Operator Extra Class. And have an FCC Radiotelephone License.

Sourdough, It depends on how far you want to talk to decide what you need. As someone mentioned during an emergency you don't need a license to transmit on any frequency. That even includes Coast Guard frequencies.
Most radios now operate on 12volt dc like your truck or car battery. So all you need is a battery and a small charger in the cabin to make it work. It can even be a solar charger.

FRS and GMRS are great short range radios for communcations between family or party members. GMRS does require a license. FRS does not. CB radio does not require a license but is low powered when operated
legally. Since you are on a hill and can see 50 miles, you could probably get out 50 miles with a good outside antenna.

Amateur has a vast collection of low power, medium power and high power. There are many modes of operation to include digital, voice, cw (morse code, witch is no longer required for a license) and video to name a few.
You can get an Amateur Radio that will operate from HF (long distance operation) all the way up to VHF and UHF (short range mostly).

I will see if I can post some pictures of my Ham shack here.
If anyone has any questions they can PM me.

Sparks
885288538854

[crashdive123]

That's quite a set up Sparks.

[welderguy]

Good GOOGLEYMOOGLEY !!!!! you got enough radios Sparks? Nice set up BTW

[Jimmyq]

That beats the heck out of my old truck dash mounted CB radio and matchmeter, nice looking setup!

[intothenew]

Simple, maybe. I should know my local answer to this, but I don't. Your answer is only a statistical evaluation. Do you monitor FRS and/or GMRS? If so, what channels/freqencies?

I have a GMRS license, maybe a joke, but I pay the bill and sign on/off. The family is 7(whith a quiet code which is really nice in public), high wattage on the radios. I, personally have a second RX without quiet.

Is any body else listening? I should contact some in the local ham circle, but haven't. I just got Mom and Sis on PTT.

Norms?

[Sparks]

intothenew,

I have FRS and GMRS but I only use them for short range family type commuications. Don't get me wrong, they are great for that purpose and can get good line of site range.
My wife is a General Class Amateur ao we use that for most comms. I also have CB's but they are stored.

What I can't comment on is who uses what up in Hope Alaska. I assume a combination of things. I know there are a lot Amateurs in Alaska. You don't have to know morse code
anymore so you can just memorize the answers and get a license. My fellow Hams will probably shoot me for that statement. If you can afford it, get some stuff and store it
back. You will of course need and antenna, radio and a cable to connect them.
Your local Ham Club can help you out. If your out in the outback then I might be able to hook you up with some hams in your area. Some Hams are what is called VEC's They are
the ones that give the exams.

If anyone has a Shortwave receiver that can tune in LSB (Lower Sideband) at 3.818 Mhz can listen to the prepardness group on Sunday evenings. I will try to link the website.



Been an Amateur for over 50 years now. Its fun. But use what ya got, I am not picky =)

Sparks

Guess it won't let me post the URL. Google taprn to get the website.

[crashdive123]

Here's a pretty comprehensive set-up that Ken posted a while back. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?13072-My-Communications-System&highlight=radio

[rope.ranger]

I am on a Mountain and can see 50 miles. How much does a HAM Radio cost....???

Depends on what you want. My dad just got his first level HAM license and he bought a handheld job off of ebay for about 60 dollars. Wanted to listen before he committed to getting the license. It is a transceiver and it picks up for over 60 miles. Depending on repeater locations, it may pick up farther than that. Its just a cheap model though, but I was impressed. I think it would be a good radio to put away in faraday storage since it is smaller. But I may be way in left field, I don't know a lot about HAM signals and such. Right now I have a handheld SW radio receiver and I am going to get a HAM radio as well. But you get what you pay for, ultimately.

[Wildthang]

I have a 40 channel portable CB radio that will reach about 4 miles or so and if I got up high it would probably reach a lot farther. I carry it in the truck so if my cell phone goes out, I can still call for help. A lot of people still listen to the old dinasaur CB!
I think it would be surprising how many people would be on the CB channels if a catastrophic event ever happens because they are mostly powered by 12 volt DC, and a lot of people still have them stashed in the attic or garage. I also have a dashmount unit and antenna and could have it up and operating in short order.

[Ken]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1002763_10200453944970264_1897395867_n.jpg

[hunter63]

LOL, yeah I have one as well.....mostly used for listening for traffic conditions these days....had a pair but one died.

[Kat]

Question - Would it be best to be on a hill than a valley for good transmission and reception. Agree wit all bets are off. If there is no working government or other similar situations enforcement would be focused on priority situations or they may be taking care of their own families in a survival mode. Is that what you meant by all bets are off? Thank you!

[Rick]

Kat - It depends on what you are using and where you are. In many cases, ham radio has repeaters installed either on hill tops or atop towers. So your reception will usually be pretty good whether you are in a valley or on a ridge. Otherwise, citizens band, GMRS, FM, AM and cellular are "line of sight" radios so operating them on a hilltop or within a direct line of the transmitter is required.

[dave fuches]

i'm new with the whole communication thing too. my only comm gear consists of 4 gmrs radios with a ten mile line of sight range. are these worth keeping or should i ditch them for something more advanced?

[crashdive123]

I wouldn't ditch them - unless of course you want to send them to me.:whistling: They may still prove useful for you in certain circumstances. If you have a need that they don't meet, then explore that and get what fills that need. You probably have more than one size wrench in your toolbox. Same principal applies for radios as far as I'm concerned.

[Mike D'Antonio]

Hi...I seldom check in as I don't have Internet out in the woods. I do however have the following means of emergency (and general use) radios.
(1) Amateur (Ham) Radio (FCC KC2GMH)
(2) CB radio with Single Sideband capabilities (important feature).
(3) FRS radio
(4) MURS radio

While many people feel that communications are the least important item to worry about... I will most likely be safe and secure but sometimes OTHERS may need a helping hand due to a rescue situation. Worth considering...73 Mike

[Lamewolf]

Any good all mode - all band ham tranceiver as it will cover both AM/FM/shortwave/and public service bands

[camoemt]

CB? anyone

[Lamewolf]

I've used a few different radio setups for field use but a good HAM radio would be the best long range communications setup. As mentioned before a good radio, amplifier, and antenna would be required for a base station.

You don't need the amplifier for the base station ! I've been a licensed ham since 1995 and have never run or owned an amplifier, and I run no more than 100 watts or less (most times 10 watts or less) and have talked to people all over the world and do on a regular basis. The idea that you need huge amounts of power is a myth, the atmosheric conditions and the antenna type makes much more difference than the power level does. On the HF bands, usually if you can hear them, you can talk to them even on low power. I have HF radios that run no more than 2 watts, run on AA batteries, will fit in a coat pocket, and use a simple wire antenna that will communicate around the world. I keep an entire radio station in a camoflage pouch made for AK47 mags that runs 2 watts and use it as my backwoods communications system. For more information, just google "QRP radio" and you will see tons of info on low power radio operation and equipment. Also, check out my website:

[Rick]

Sorry. I had to remove the URL. You are not permitted to link to any site you have ownership in. You can place it in your signature if you wish. If you do, you can't reference it in a post.

[Lamewolf]

Sorry. I had to remove the URL. You are not permitted to link to any site you have ownership in. You can place it in your signature if you wish. If you do, you can't reference it in a post.

Thats an odd rule ? Not allowing it restricts members from gaining useful information. But rules are rules, so I do apologise.

[hunter63]

Thats an odd rule ? Not allowing it restricts members from gaining useful information. But rules are rules, so I do apologise.

Put it your signature ......Like to check it out.

[Lamewolf]

Put it your signature ......Like to check it out.

OK, lets see if this works.

[Lamewolf]

OK, lets see if this works.

For some reason my signature isn't working but I have the box checked to allow it in my post ? Anyone ogt any ideas ?

[hunter63]

Seems to be working now.....thanks, been digging thru you stuff.

Haven't messed with HAM since 1963......but was a good year for skip....LOL

[crashdive123]

Looks like you got it to work.

The reason for the rule......to prevent spammers from spamming. Obviously that wasn't your intent, but if we allow it for some........you get the picture.

[DogMan635]

Here is the one I enjoy every day as it gives me a lot of versatility. As to your need, you can step it up with more levels: https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Solutions-T480-Rechargeable-Preparedness/dp/B00W75BLTU?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00W75BLTU

[madmax]

That looks very versatile. I just got a handheld BaoFeng. I am studying for my HAM license. Then I'll bump up the power and antennae. Right now it's used as a NOAA radio.

[mailiyat]

Just get a good shortwave radio transciever. In a scenario as you describe all bets are off for licenses.....you don't need one. If it were for normal everyday/no emergency use, you would need a license. Remember though, the antenna is the key to good transmission and reception. Most of the radios on the market are similar but there are different antenna set ups that you can use, that is where to do your research.

However you and your friends and family all have the very BEST radio receivers and also a two-way radios in lead containers inside steel boxes, and they work perfect. If price is no object, what is the best radio system, that does not require a special license to own or operate. (I don't know the answer, I am looking for "THE" answer)

[crashdive123]

However you and your friends and family all have the very BEST radio receivers and also a two-way radios in lead containers inside steel boxes, and they work perfect. If price is no object, what is the best radio system, that does not require a special license to own or operate. (I don't know the answer, I am looking for "THE" answer)

The answer is that you were banned today and re-registered under a new name. Bye bye again.

[Dropship]

Problem with walkie-talkies is that you might give your position away if you use them too much..;)

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