View Full Version : How much food.....Short rations...How long could you last.
Sourdough
07-29-2009, 01:40 AM
OK, pretend that last night they locked you in your house, or apartment, whatever, nailed the doors and windows, and posted guards, you can't get out........However many people were living in your abode last night, HOW LONG Could they live on the food in the abode. To be clear, you can go on short rations, or pig'out, how long till the food is ALL Gone.......? WEEKS...? Months....????, Years.....?????...How long. The Truth, not save'face look good......NOT Food in the garden, ONLY Food in the house......?
Born2Late
07-29-2009, 03:33 AM
If we eat 2 meals a day,late brunch and supper,we can last at least 8 weeks on the food in the house,starting with the stuff in the freezer first.My geyser is 200 litres which would not last long if they cut the water and the backup supply is another 200 litres.Food is not the biggest concern,but water can become a problem.Have 2 big dogs with enough food for them for about 4 weeks in the garage which is connected to the house.After that love and a full belly can create conflicting emotions.I think survival of the family will win.
Winnie
07-29-2009, 05:12 AM
I'd say about 2 months, possibly longer. You've just reminded me I need to do an inventory!
Pal334
07-29-2009, 05:13 AM
My guesstimate would be 6-8 weeks on food at 2 meals per day. Water about 4 weeks , possibly longer since physical exertion would be limited. And would be staring longingly at the garage/ workshop where the other supplies are stored :(
crashdive123
07-29-2009, 06:33 AM
Can I make it to my front porch (extra water) or storge sheds in the back yard (extra food)?
This is a tough question at the moment. I'm actually "living" in two houses right now. And last night, I was only me and two of the dogs at the "old house." But still....
For what it's worth, other than for a few staples and sale items, I haven't been grocery shopping for the "old house" in about 3 months because I don't want to have to move everything. At the "old" place, I'd say 8 months easy with FOOD, assuming that the water supply still worked (you weren't all that clear on "water"). Heck, I could get by for 2 months just on the Mainstay Bars. I still have the large side-by-side fridge/freezer and the smaller 18 cf fridge/freezer pretty full (electricity still on?). Without electricity - 6 months. Without water supply - 2 months.
The large freezer is at the new place. We have well water and enough gas in the cars and fuel tanks to keep water coming in for a year with the small generator. So at the new place, food? Five of us and the dogs would be there. I have been stocking it up a bit - say 6 months with electricity, 4 months without.
I'm like the rest. Food isn't my problem. Water is. I could stretch the food into 3 months not on starvation rations but eating 2 meals a day. Once you convert your food to something like soup you can stretch food out. A can of mixed vegetables can be turned into vegetable soup pretty easily if you have the water.
With the rain barrels, I now have about 200 gallons of reserve so, figuring 3 gallons per day for drinking, cooking and minimal hygiene that comes out to a little over 2 months.
And don't forget those canned goods are usually packed with water so you can add that in to your cooking.
Sourdough
07-29-2009, 07:34 AM
Assume abundant water supply, and electric stays on. My brothers and sisters would be out of food in hours or a few days. They will have one half box of cereral and 1/2 quart of milk, and some ice cream, and two slices of pizza. Thats it. It is interesting that so far members have for themself consider two meals per day to be short rations, not a judgement, just interesting.
Obviously, there are a lot of folks yet to hop on the planning wagon. But even those of us who consider plans important may be missing the boat in the medicine arena. If you are covered by a health plan that includes pharmaceuticals, then 3 month supplies are pretty common. However, if you are not covered, which is a very large number of folks in this country, then 30 days or less may be all they have on hand. It can also be a very expensive part of planning given the cost of many prescription drugs.
I know this isn't part of your scenario, Hope, but if folks are dead within two weeks because they ran out of their heart, blood pressure or other medicines then the amount of food and water is pretty much a moot point.
If you fall into that category, then talk to your doctor about your concerns. Perhaps instead of writing a 30 day prescription, he/she can a write a 45 day script to help you in planning and build up your stock over time. I'm sure your doctor will see a fine line between planning and hording some prescription for nefarious reasons so keep that in mind.
You're right on target here, Rick. None of us in my household are on regular meds, but should the need arise it's nice to have some basics on hand, such as antibiotics and pain meds. My doc is a reasonable guy and has accomodated my requests in this regard. I'd rather toss the stuff and replace it every year than not have it when needed.
One thing that really bothers me is how some pharmacies won't let you refill a prescription until a day or two before your last refill should have been exhausted. Nice. Let's all wait 'till the last minute. :sneaky2:
welderguy
07-29-2009, 08:11 AM
I do beleive if water is not a concern or electric, at 2 meals a day 6 or 7 months .
Sourdough
07-29-2009, 08:28 AM
I always find it interesting that, Mexico trusts it's population enough that, most drugs are over the counter.
SARKY
07-29-2009, 11:26 AM
If water, gas and electric aren't an issue then 8 weeks at 2 meals a day, possibly longer as my seeds are in the house as well(sprouts)
Mountain Man
07-29-2009, 01:09 PM
Minimum 6 months. Especially if you are lazy and only do 2 meals a day then maybe 9. Rice and beans go a long way... vitamins to supplement the canned fruit and veggies once they run out. #10 cans store a lot of meals :cool2:
crashdive123
07-29-2009, 01:17 PM
With very tight rationing (I consider that 600 to 1000 calories a day), over a year. That would obviously change with the demand of increased physical activity.
If I was ALONE in the house with my sweetie, I'd bet that there would be a whole lot of "increased physical activity" going on. :innocent:
welderguy
07-29-2009, 01:33 PM
If I was ALONE in the house with my sweetie, I'd bet that there would be a whole lot of "increased physical activity" going on. :innocent:
do you mean...... you and her would get to ..... play the Wii fit since the kids wouldnt be there.
do you mean...... you and her would get to ..... play the Wii fit since the kids wouldnt be there.
That's EXACTLY what I mean! :innocent:
Winnie
07-29-2009, 01:58 PM
Ah but Ken, increased ahem aerobic activity requires extra calorific intake! (oh lord I think I should've phrased that better?!?)
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 02:27 PM
If I was ALONE in the house with my sweetie, I'd bet that there would be a whole lot of "increased physical activity" going on. :innocent:
Until you start eating squirrels!:innocent:
The New York Times
July 25, 2009
Squirrel Meat Linked
To Erectile Dysfunction
By Tess T. Osterony
doug1980
07-29-2009, 02:36 PM
Well sadly not very long. We only shop for a week at a time. Basically we, well my wife, plans a meal for every day of the week and buys only the items to make those meals along with other basic items we use regularly. We still spend over $100 each week on groceries. I think out of the three of us, our dog would last the longest since he always has at least 40lbs of food.
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 02:42 PM
Well sadly not very long. We only shop for a week at a time. Basically we, well my wife, plans a meal for every day of the week and buys only the items to make those meals along with other basic items we use regularly. We still spend over $100 each week on groceries. I think out of the three of us, our dog would last the longest since he always has at least 40lbs of food.
LOL, I think my dog could out last me and the other half, on his treats alone.:innocent:
Until you start eating squirrels!:innocent:
Quote:
The New York Times
July 25, 2009
Squirrel Meat Linked
To Erectile Dysfunction
By Tess T. Osterony
__________________
Just another reason not to harm the furry little fellas, ain't it? :)
crashdive123
07-29-2009, 03:15 PM
I understand that feeding them from you window can have the same affect.
I understand that feeding them from you window can have the same affect.
WRONG!
Say Ken.....you know where we can get them some testosterone?LOL
Well, I do in fact. I produce more than the average 10 men need.
pocomoonskyeyes
07-29-2009, 03:39 PM
What kind of Lab do you have set up and where do you get the materials?:innocent:
Sourdough
07-29-2009, 03:44 PM
[QUOTE=Ken;138617]Quote:
Squirrel Meat Linked
To Erectile Dysfunction
Has something to do with the NUTS.............:innocent:
What kind of Lab do you have set up and where do you get the materials?:innocent:
*shakes head sadly and in sympathy for those less fortunate "average" men*
Poco, my friend, if I explained it, you would never feel good about yourself again. :innocent:
[quote=Ken;138617]Quote:
Squirrel Meat Linked
To Erectile Dysfunction
Has something to do with the NUTS.............:innocent:
Hope, did you see the entire New York Times article? :innocent:
Hey, Hope! How long can you last if they nailed the cabin door shut?
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 04:02 PM
Hey, Hope! How long can you last if they nailed the cabin door shut?
He....oh wait......you said cabin door.:blushing:
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 04:03 PM
What kind of Lab do you have set up and where do you get the materials?:innocent:
Hahaha....get him! :smash:
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 04:04 PM
What kind of Lab do you have set up and where do you get the materials?:innocent:
Ya know......maybe that's why he has to move out of "the old house".:innocent:
oldsoldier
07-29-2009, 04:55 PM
If I have my jeep in the garage. 2 weeks there.. Garage storage... 9-10 weeks... house...5-6 weeks eating normal 3 meals a day.16-18 weeks total.
If I have my jeep in the garage. 2 weeks there.. Garage storage... 9-10 weeks... house...5-6 weeks eating normal 3 meals a day.16-18 weeks total.
Of course, if he happens to stop by with the trunk then he'll have 25,000 Honey Buns, 14,500 Danish (the desert not the people), 500,000 Twinkies. What can I say? He has good taste.
Of course, if he happens to stop by with the trunk then he'll have 25,000 Honey Buns, 14,500 Danish (the desert not the people), 500,000 Twinkies. What can I say? He has good taste.
An obvious "suck-up" in advance of the Jamboree. :sneaky2:
2dumb2kwit
07-29-2009, 09:51 PM
An obvious "suck-up" in advance of the Jamboree. :sneaky2:
Sucking up doesn't do any good, around here.
I called you a good lawyer, and was ready to send you a "big retainer", and you still threw me under the bus! :smash: LOL
Sucking up doesn't do any good, around here.
I called you a good lawyer, and was ready to send you a "big retainer", and you still threw me under the bus! :smash: LOL
Watch what happens when I receive a big retainer.
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