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typ3
07-08-2009, 02:15 PM
The discussion on EMP and cars (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7553) got me thinking about carless bug-out preparations. Besides, recent disasters (esp. Katrina) have shown that car travel might not be an option in a SHTF scenario.

For me, bug out without a car is no problem: several inhabitable but completely empty mountain valleys are a mere two hours hike from my town.

Yet if I had to bug out without a car where I lived before, Vancouver, I would have been a good four hours from safety (away from two-legged snakes and population centres) assuming both relatively open roads and the use of a decent bicycle.

So, how would you bug out without a car? How far could you reasonably get and where would you go? A large park? A nearby island?

And what would you be taking? Are you prepared for a carless bug out situation?

I'm interested to see your replies,

Brandon
DOGMAN
07-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Well, I could use my snowmobile, my 4 wheeler, my dog team, or my horses and pack train. Or, i could just walk into the Wilderness Area behind my house. I guess, really I have already bugged out....
Rick
07-08-2009, 02:50 PM
you bet. My main pack is a backpack. It's loaded and ready to go. All I have to do is strap it on, pick up my weapons and start walking. Everyone should have several different plans in place because we never know if we will be forced to bug in or bug out and if we are forced to bug out you may not be able to use a vehicle.
Rick
07-08-2009, 03:12 PM
And a really phat view of the Hollywood sign.
SARKY
07-08-2009, 07:59 PM
I have 3 parks within walking distance of me, 2 of them have water all year long the third and closest has water about 10 months out of the year. The 2 closest parks are in the oakland hills, the 3rd is in Sunol
endurance
07-08-2009, 11:56 PM
I bought a BOB trailer for the bike this year. It's a single wheel, full suspension mountain bike trailer rated for 70 pounds of gear. My purpose for buying it was primarily for 2-3 day bike trips over mountain passes in Colorado, but it's now part of my alternative bug out transportation.

Without the trailer I can typically travel 100 miles in six to seven hours on the road bike, or about 40-60 in the same amount of time on the MTB. Even if I halve those numbers with the trailer, that's still many times further than I could ever cover with a loaded 70 pound pack on foot. No gas, no worries about EMP, just the ability to cover 20-50 miles a day with a very solid amount of gear.
Bigdog57
07-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Well, At 52 years old with a bad back and too many pounds, I will NOT be hiking any distance - I am resigned to that. SO, any bugging out will be done only for a truly life-threatening event - a Cat Five hurricane most likely. A temporary move to safety then return to 'pick up the pieces'.
My car is a small 18-year old Toyota with uncertain reliability on a long drive - so my BOV of choice is my Kawasaki KLR650 dual sport bike. It gets me into the boonies where even a 4X4 truck can't go (I love solo stealth camping in the National Forest - legal here), so my riding skills are up to a BO run on the dirt and gravel Forest Roads. I can bypass the stalled auto traffic on the highways. As I am only some fifteen miles south of the Georgia line, it's a quick run up away from the coast. I can carry enough gear to get by camping for a couple weeks. I will soon be working up a trailer unit (single-wheel) to increase carrying capabilities. A buddy further south has a neat little trailer he's used for years with his KLR - 85,000 miles on the bike/trailer combo, riding all over the US and into Mexico. So it is definitely doable!
If fuel issues make motoring impossible, I do have a mountain bike - but my carrying capacity would be severely limited! We do have some woods around here with lots of game and water - but in real bad times, it would be full of local bubbas. That would be a 'last-ditch' option. Game would be hunted out pretty quick. "Backpack Survival" really isn't viable in the long term.
endurance
07-10-2009, 12:09 PM
BigDog, While I'm not a motorcycle guy, they really do seem like an ideal solution. They're highly mobile even in absolute gridlock on the highways, they get outstanding mileage, and dual sport bikes offer a utility for the highway and the backroads that few vehicles can (those that can get lousy mileage). Have you thought about pre-positioning some things if you had to bug-out, even if as a temporary retreat? It seems like a well placed cache with the bulkier items would drastically improve your mobility and endurance in the field.

I agree that the "backpack survivalist" is in for a rude awakening in the long run. In my younger and fitter days I did over 100 nights a year in a tent and it was a pretty rough lifestyle. That's with the benefit of camping at a cool 8,500'+ in the summers and not having to winter over in the bush. To me, bugging out is only a means to get out of an immenent threat and to a place of relative safety until you can safely return, or, if you can't return, a place that you can rebuild a life from. It's not a way to walk away from your problems and keep on movin'.
Rick
07-10-2009, 01:15 PM
The unfortunate downside to any two wheeled vehicle is an injury. Most 4 wheel vehicles can usually be driven even with a serious, non-life threatening injury. An injured hand, arm, foot or leg, for example. Riding a 2 wheeled vehicle with that type of injury would be very difficult or impossible.
endurance
07-10-2009, 01:57 PM
The unfortunate downside to any two wheeled vehicle is an injury. Most 4 wheel vehicles can usually be driven even with a serious, non-life threatening injury. An injured hand, arm, foot or leg, for example. Riding a 2 wheeled vehicle with that type of injury would be very difficult or impossible.
Errrm, isn't the thread supposed to be about bugging out without an automobile? While you bring up a valid point, if you have an injured foot and you have to bug out without an automobile for whatever reason, would you rather walk or take a motorcycle?
Rick
07-10-2009, 03:47 PM
ATVs are four wheeled and not an automobile. A four wheeled bicycle is not an automobile. I was comparing the number of wheels not the type of vehicle.
crashdive123
07-10-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm taking Sarge's RV.
crashdive123
07-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Well.......that is if Sarge is willing to share.
Rick
07-10-2009, 04:08 PM
We'll just eat our way into the RV and hide.
Bigdog57
07-14-2009, 06:37 AM
Yep, I do have some caches in the local woods - JIC. I have compact weapons, as space on the bike is limited. If the jackboots are marching (jk), I can slip into the boonies quick & quiet - I could stash the bike and head into the swamps for a time, if needs be. The local National Forest is almost literally my back yard. Lots of water in there too.
But if a huge storm threatens, I head north. I can get into central Georgia on a tank of gas. Then hope the casa still stands on my return! :blushing:
Some buddies and I do roadtrips, staying at various campgrounds - so I have a good network of camping spots mapped out.
An injury would indeed be bad - I recently did have a minor accident - laid the bike down on pavement as an alternative to making 'a lasting impression' on the car that stopped short in front of me. Right arm was banged up - would have been broken had I not been wearing my armor riding jacket! That would have grounded me for awhile.
I have been looking into the idea of using a 'gamecart' for carrying more gear while 'hoofing it'. Travel would be slow, but it would work.
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