Stocking the FBOB

[Rick]

A good number of folks on the forum believe that TEOTWAWKI is poised somewhere in the near future. That's valid I suppose. It's as accurate as anything I believe. In any case, it got me to wondering if a BOB is really what you want or need in that scenario or would a Final Bug Out Bag (FBOB) (I coined that, by the way) be more appropriate? (I think about these things in the wee hours).

It wouldn't necessarily have to be an actual bag. Perhaps a list of final items that would be handy as a pocket on a shirt in that final world.

First the scenario:

Swine flu has had its first run at mankind. It raised some eyebrows, it claimed a few lives, and more importantly, it mutated to become a real killer.

Time frame: November, 2009
Location: Your home

A true pandemic has been sweeping the globe for two weeks. The death rate was projected at 96% in the last reports you heard but that was days ago. Stations are now off the air so you have no idea what the real numbers are. All you know for certain is folks are dying all around you. Even some in your family. What you don't know is that you possess the Funky Cold Madina (FCM) genetic mutation that makes you immune to the virus. Only those in your blood line possess it as do a handfull of others around the globe. When the pandemic ends there will only be 6000 left on the planet. You and your blood line (sorry, you spouse didn't make it) are all alive. Unbeknownest to you, the closest survivors are a family of seven over 250 kilometers from you.

The infrastructure is intact. Stores and distribution warehouses are all packed with food and bottled water. Car dealerships with new cars. Gas stations with underground fuel. The local National Guard Armory now belongs to you. Roscoe the pet mongrel made it just fine as did the rest of the animals.

What would be valuable in that situation? Here are my thoughts. Add your own.

1. Bolt cutters - Gates and locks belong to me now.
2. Lock picking tools - I still don't know who all survived. I might not want to smash out windows and kick down doors and let the world know I made it. Besides, some places, like the NG armory, might be a little more secure than that.
3. Slim jim - For unlocking car doors
4. Small generator to power hand tools
5. Hand drill and bits - Might be forced to drill some locks

Those are some things I'd toss in the back of my new Duece from the NG armory. I'd still have all my hand tools at home but these things would make "collections" a bit easier.

You don't want to carry those kind of things in a BOB. But would an FBOB be viable? What would you want in yours?

[tacmedic]

Did somebody watch "I am legend" last night???

[Rick]

Not me. I watched Deadliest Catch and then fell asleep for Man vs. Wild.

[Sarge47]

Well, gonna need one of these...

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(smilies by Ken.)

[Ken]

C-4. Much lighter and easier to carry that the tools you mentioned. Maybe keep the slim jim and take a hammer as well.

[Ken]

I'd probably go with a Sawzall as well.

[Ken]

sorry, you spouse didn't make it

You mean my EX-SPOUSE? :clap: Well, you better mean her, because if there's any possibility that she's in that next group only 250 km away, I'm gonna' have to pack up and move. That's way too close........:innocent:

[doren]

I would take my time for the migration, since I would not be 100% positive of my immunity. I am the last of my blood line so I will be soloing this one.

I have a National Guard Armory 8 miles from me, a Navy and Marine reserve station 15 miles from me, and an Air Force base 20-25 miles from me. Assuming I can gain access into one or all of these facilities, I would definitely have my pick of the litter so to speak.

I would definitely keep my crank radio to listen out for any signs of population activity. I already own a slim jim, used it a few times. I do not own an emergency generator, but finding one in my area would not be hard.

If I knew I was alone in this, I would steal several horses from a nearby ranch/farm and make the air force base my new home. The fuel will become stale, but the horses will do their own thing and I will have transportation for the rest of my life. After the MRE's ran out, wooded areas near the base would provide me with plenty of food and natural supplies for years to come.

I would die alone on my own air force base, happily alone...:clap:

[Rick]

Deer hunting with an F-22? Now there's a novel approach.

[doren]

I would love to fly a couple of jets, but there are several reasons why I can't.

I could care less about the planes. I would be more interested in the medic stations, pallets of MRE's, hundreds of shelters, full machine shop, armory. Almost everything I would ever need in a nice fenced in area. What's not to love?

[chazlawyer]

I hope there's a cute young lady in that surviving family of seven...Since the wife didn't make it...and you know the need to repopulate or at least start a community....

nothing as bad as finally finding other survivors and realizing that the continuance of the human race rests on your willingness to procreate with Susan Boyle....

just sayin....

:innocent:

[Rick]

You could make some pretty sweet music, though.

[chazlawyer]

No doubt the lady has some great pipes...and she got robbed...she should have won...

But back to the original post, other than my wife dying this scenario would be a fantasy come true...How cool to be able to essentially establish a new community...guess this post struck my inner explorer....

[RichJ]

Whoops. had to move this to to right thread.

[jrock24]

A crow bar and Duct tape

[Ken]

How about, uhhh, those nuclear power plants? This scenario may not be all fun and games :innocent: for too long.

http://www.insc.anl.gov/pwrmaps/map/united_states.html

[crashdive123]

Hmmm - there's a dozen or so nuclear power plants just up the street. Oh yeah, and a place where they store and assemble D5 submarine launced nuclear weapons. Other than that - we're OK.

[Rick]

I actually have one of these maps. If you look closely at Illinois you'll see a bunch of nuclear plants. Since the prevailing jet stream is usually NW to SE that puts me smack in the downstream if anything happens. The nuclear industry in the U.S. has a remarkable safety record but some of these plants are 30 years old. Sooner or later an accidental release is bound to happen.

If you see a glowing Dodge 4X4 crossing the Florida state line.....it's just me.

[oldsoldier]

Pretty good thread wanted to keep it going. Bump

[bulrush]

2. Lock picking tools - I still don't know who all survived. I might not want to smash out windows and kick down doors and let the world know I made it. Besides, some places, like the NG armory, might be a little more secure than that.
3. Slim jim - For unlocking car doors


I don't know how to use any of those. But aren't cars after 1980 really hard to slim jim? They used to sell slim jims in the dollar store but I haven't seen one there in 15 years.

I'd just carry a hammar. Smashed car glass is a lot less sharp then plate glass and thus easier to sweep away. A good pair of leather gloves helps also.

A wrecking bar might help me get into the trunk also, and thence into the driver's seat. A wrecking bar also works on many residential door locks. A lock isn't much use if the door is made of 1/8 inch luan. Or the frame is made of 1/4 inch pine.

I differentiate between a crowbar (flat 1 inch steel, often bendable) and a wrecking bar (longer, 3/4 hex steel, often hardened). I've bent a few crowbars, but never a wrecking bar.

[Rick]

My point was...in the beginning you won't know if anyone else is around on not. Or who they are or what intentions they have. Not knowing, you might want to be as inconspicuous as possible. Busting glass and kicking in doors not only makes noise but also leaves behind evidence you were there.

Slipping quietly into a vehicle ensures it's still intact and you won't have to drive around in the rain with a broken window. You can easily get in the truck since most have a truck release inside the vehicle. And it's a whole lot less work.

My wife locked us out of the car (I swear it was her) last year and the locksmith said the newer cars are the easiest to break into. I won't reveal his secret on the web (like car thieves need my help) but he had us in the vehicle in about 20 seconds. Actually, I was shocked. I am now convinced that only reason cars have locks are to keep idiots out. They sure don't work if you know what you're doing.

[trax]

My wife locked us out of the car (I swear it was her) last year and the locksmith said the newer cars are the easiest to break into. ......Actually, I was shocked. I am now convinced that only reason cars have locks are to keep idiots out. They sure don't work if you know what you're doing.

...so, who had to call a locksmith?

[Rick]

I did. Her phone was locked in the car.

[Ken]

But aren't cars after 1980 really hard to slim jim?

Unless the car's a keeper, a spring loaded center hole punch on the driver's window will do the trick. :)

[trax]

Can you-- by any chance-- purchase one of those punches with your business phone number attached, counsellor?

[Ken]

Can you-- by any chance-- purchase one of those punches with your business phone number attached, counsellor?

Heck, I guess so. Being the kinda guy who hates having things swiped that I am, my name's engraved on my SAK. :sneaky2:

Now, why WOULD you ask that question???? :innocent:

[aflineman]

A portable cutting torch might not be a bad thing to have.

[oldsoldier]

To put the damper on a good discussion but I hope that everyone setting up their FBOB aren't planning on keeping them in their vehicles now. A few years ago my brother-in-law ( he's a construction worker by the way) was stopped at a routine check point ( checking license DUI etc. the cop shined his light into the back of his pickup and asked what was in the bag in his camper. B.I.L. told him tools cops asked got permission checked bag. in bag flat bar, crow bar, hammer, small bolt cutters, heavy "linemans" wire cutters, razor knife,screw drivers etc. cop told him the stuff in the bag was illegal!!!
Told him that the stuff was ALL considered burglary tools and he could be arrested and charged with a felony for carrying that stuff or at best have it confiscated and be heavily fined. B.I.L. asked what he was supposed to do they were his work tools?? Cop said don't carry them in his vehicle

[swampmouse]

Who about a glass cutter? Roof entrances? Susan Boyle? okay, if we is it then she can't be worse than some of those lot lizards. BUT, I used a glass cutter to get into my old house once, her boyfreind did not like the fact I got my guns, hunting equipment, fishing gear and that large purchase of groceries, he is over it now though.

[Ken]

I don't want to know.

[mcfd45]

One thing I would worry about would be sanitation. Think about it, you are alone with a bunch of dead bodies in the abandoned buildings that you are scavenging from. I think ken can agree anything over one week in the heat is an unpleasant situation. I think you would have to do a mass grave. Not the whole town but maybe just the apartment complex you are raiding. I would add the following.
Pry bar/ halligan bar
axe
sledgehammer
tool set
I would totally raid the local hospital for supplies/ beds. I always wanted a bed with rails on it. (i know im weird)

[crashdive123]

I always wanted a bed with rails on it. (i know im weird)Easier to tie up....ah, nevermind.

[oldsoldier]

mc..... that's one of the reasons I carry a couple of gas masks. they don't completely kill the smell but they sure help.

[mcfd45]

At work I'm more of a vicks vaporub guy. slap some under your nose and you can go get granny, even if she has been baking for a few months.

[Rick]

I worked for a funeral home when I was in high school (that answers a whole bunch of questions doesn't it?) and I don't think anything will kill the smell. If they've been with the elements or it's just been a while then it's just plain nasty!

[LudwigVan]

To put the damper on a good discussion but I hope that everyone setting up their FBOB aren't planning on keeping them in their vehicles now. A few years ago my brother-in-law ( he's a construction worker by the way) was stopped at a routine check point ( checking license DUI etc. the cop shined his light into the back of his pickup and asked what was in the bag in his camper. B.I.L. told him tools cops asked got permission checked bag. in bag flat bar, crow bar, hammer, small bolt cutters, heavy "linemans" wire cutters, razor knife,screw drivers etc. cop told him the stuff in the bag was illegal!!!
Told him that the stuff was ALL considered burglary tools and he could be arrested and charged with a felony for carrying that stuff or at best have it confiscated and be heavily fined. B.I.L. asked what he was supposed to do they were his work tools?? Cop said don't carry them in his vehicle

Friend of mine got pulled aside by a cop late at night while taking a late night walk on the sidewalk, apparently you can carry a leatherman tool during the day but when the sun goes down it transforms into a magic "burglary tool" and turns it's carrier into a criminal :brickwall:

[Ken]

Friend of mine got pulled aside by a cop late at night while taking a late night walk on the sidewalk, apparently you can carry a leatherman tool during the day but when the sun goes down it transforms into a magic "burglary tool" and turns it's carrier into a criminal :brickwall:

I know that such issues do exist in some states. Makes you grateful that you're not the "Snap-On" tool guy, huh?

[KhonHd]

Friend of mine got pulled aside by a cop late at night while taking a late night walk on the sidewalk, apparently you can carry a leatherman tool during the day but when the sun goes down it transforms into a magic "burglary tool" and turns it's carrier into a criminal :brickwall:

What are our country's coming to... Can't carry a leatherman. In Hull (Gatineau) Quebec your not allowed to carry a pocket knife because they have had problems with some individuals. What next, we won't be able to carry cell phone because some people use them for illegal activities.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

What are our country's coming to... Can't carry a leatherman. In Hull (Gatineau) Quebec your not allowed to carry a pocket knife because they have had problems with some individuals. What next, we won't be able to carry cell phone because some people use them for illegal activities.

I headed up to the courthouse to retrieve a marriage liscence recently. Here I am in the middle of redneck america. Not many self respecting men do not carry a folding knife or combo tool in a leather sheath on your belt. So, I arrive at the door and there is the young officer with the metal detector. I forgot completely about my knife I carry everywhere. As I near the door here comes an older seemingly retired cop who places his hand on my chest firmly and says "Son you cannot bring the knife in the courthouse" I responded sure I will go place it in my truck. My elder explained "no, remove it and throw it under that door" OK, I replied and tossed it under the door which was opened against the exterior wall of the building. He smiled and walked away. Puzzled I continued through the metal detector noting the young cop had a very unpleasant disposition about him. He allowed me and fiance in and we retreived our liscence. Upon exiting I asked the young cop if I could retreive my knife he nodded his approval and I did just that. On the way home it hit me. Had the older gentleman just saved me from possible charges which the younger possibly would have pressed to make a name for himself? I feel sure this was the case. Lately I have seen several items in the police blotter pertaining to illegal knifes. Not sure I even know the law on carrying a knife anymore. Gees when I was 9 I carried a 9 in. blade most everywhere when I wasn't in school. Guess I should try and get myself up to date!

[Rick]

I walked through the metal detector at an airport just after the first of year. In my pocket? You guessed it, my pocket knife. I was so upset at myself for forgetting to put in my checked luggage and I have had that knife forever. It's an Old Timer and, well, we are sort of one and the same.

"You know..." said the TSA guy.
"I know...I just forgot."
"Come on," he said and he took the knife from me.
"Well sh**," I thought. "Now what?"

He walked me back to the start of the security check point and handed me back the knife.

"Go see if they will put it in your luggage or mail it for you."

I thought that was pretty danged nice of him and I told him so. He could have just as easily tossed it in the trash can along with the deoderant, shave cream and other fearful weapons.

[doren]

Around '95 or '96 I dropped off my (at that time) brother in law at the airport. When he was checking in he noticed left his tags on his bags from where he came in. Me not thinking about it, pulled out my box cutter and cut the tags off in front of everybody. My wife looked at me and said, "you can't have that in here." All I could think to myself was it's a box cutter, it's a tiny blade what harm could it do?...

At that time If you told me four guys could hijack an airplane with just box cutters, I would have told you, you're an idiot.

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