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Ken

05-31-2009, 12:11 PM

HE DIDN’T PREPARE – PLEASE READ THIS

Well, this morning I received yet another call from a client who had a family member who failed to prepare. For what? Well, for death, and for avoiding the huge mess he left behind for his family to deal with.

Most of us here have made a tremendous effort to prepare for reasonable threats to the safety and security of our families and ourselves. We’re well prepared to bug in or bug out. We can start a fire, field dress a deer, grow and dehydrate our own food, and generate our own electricity. Yet, many people often fail to prepare for the end – the possible need for long term care, the process of dying, death itself, and what comes after for those we leave behind.

My law practice does not involve Elder Law and Estate Planning, and I don’t profess to have any expertise in these areas. I just know enough to consult with an expert who has prepared the necessary documents to help me and my loved ones avoid unnecessary complications when the inevitable happens. My estate planning lawyer does have such expertise.

Anyway, here are a few common misconceptions………..

I’M NOT RICH. You don’t have to be wealthy to require an estate plan or to otherwise prepare for illness, injury, and death. Unless you’re flat broke, have no family or loved ones, are living in a cardboard box, AND don’t care about the medical decisions that may be made for you, you should act now.

I’M NOT OLD ENOUGH YET. If you are 18 or older, you are not “too young” to address such matters. You should plan now, and update as your situation in life changes.

EVERYTHING WILL GO TO MY FAMILY. This may not be true. In some cases, your property may be levied upon by the government (even if it was “sold” or “given away” to family members years before during the “look-back” period) for reimbursement of your health care and related expenses. In order to be fully protected, you must sometimes prepare years in advance.

I’LL BE TAKEN CARE OF. Probably so; however, you just may not like the way it’s done.

And a few suggestions……….

1. Consult with a competent financial advisor regarding matters such as investments, health insurance, disability insurance, long term care insurance, and life insurance. My suggestion is that you consult with someone who does not sell such products but who will refer you to several reputable sources where they can be obtained.

2. Even if you cannot afford ANY insurance coverage, you should still consult with a reputable attorney who concentrates in estate planning and related matters. A good lawyer will only recommend and prepare those documents which your situation requires, and you’ll probably be surprised at how little it will cost to achieve this peace of mind.

First, sit down and write yourself a few notes about your medical wishes should you become injured or ill, and who you would trust to make medical decisions for you if you were unable to do so yourself. Then, prepare a general list of your assets (include life insurance info, even though it may pass “out of your estate”). Decide who should generally get what when you die, and list any special wishes (I’d like to leave my fishing gear to Ken).

When you first speak with the lawyer, he or she will probably ask a number of questions. Make sure to tell him/her of your wishes in general, and inquire about which of the following may benefit you:

Real Estate Trusts
Family Trusts
Personal Property Trusts
A Will
A Living Will
Appointment of a Health Care Proxy and Alternate
Durable Power of Attorney

You can help protect your dignity and your health care wishes, preserve your hard earned property for yourself and your loved ones, and with just a little preparation beforehand, allow those who love you the most to get through a terrible ordeal without unnecessary turmoil.

Sorry for the long post. I just feel that we should think about how our loved ones will survive when we are sick or gone. I hope you agree.

crashdive123

05-31-2009, 12:14 PM

Good post. Yep, it's important.

Rick

05-31-2009, 01:39 PM

I couldn't agree more. I have done all those things. Not for me but for those that will benefit from it. I have a 3 ring binder that stores all pertinent information like contact names and numbers for my insurance agent, financial planner, lawyer, doctor, etc., as well as information related to accounts for my credit cards, all insurance, etc.

It's just as important as any preparations you are making to survive because your loved will need it to survive and avoid things like unnecessary estate taxes or wind up not knowing you have something stashed somewhere because you didn't bother to document it.

gryffynklm

05-31-2009, 01:50 PM

I couldn't agree more. My parents sought advice from a friend who had about this much $$,$$$ and how she was handling her estate for her son. My folks used that advice for their $,$$$,$$$ and because they didn't know how to properly manage it for their heirs, the tax was 47% which took about $,$$$,$$$ in estate and death taxes. It took two years to get it all tidy. I think I'm almost done with the mess.

Get professional Advice.

welderguy

05-31-2009, 01:53 PM

Great post, gives me a lot to think about, because I am one of the people that aren't even half prepared for that event. Other than a living will and some insurance thats it.

Sourdough

05-31-2009, 02:35 PM

I am taking it with me........

On a more serious note: I am still trying to find a group like the Boy Scouts to leave everything to. The boy Scouts said if you leave it to us we will sell it, to pay staff, and management.

oly

05-31-2009, 02:51 PM

Here's a good check list for familys
Decedent________________________Location of Death_________________________
Birth Date_______________Death Date______________Date of Service____________
Cemetery__________________________________________ _____________________
Social Security#__________________

Survivor_____________________________Relationship_ _________________________
Birth Date (if Spouse)_________________Marriage Date_________________________
Social Security (if Spouse)___________________________________________ _______
Address___________________________________________ ______________________
Phone_____________________________________________ ______________________

#of Death Certificates needed ________
#of Thank you cards needed _________
#of CD’s needed __________________

Check list of places to contact

Social Security__________________________________________ _________________

Veterans Benefits__________________________________________ _______________

Pension or Retirement________________________________________ ______________

Life Insurance_________________________________________ __________________

Will/Trust_____________________________________________ __________________

Cars titles/insurance_________________________________________ ______________

Head Stone_____________________________________________ _________________

Health Insurance_________________________________________ _________________

Credit Cards_____________________________________________ ________________

Bank Accounts/Credit Unions____________________________________________ ___

Abatement_________________________________________ ______________________

Civil Service Annuity___________________________________________ ___________

Loans_____________________________________________ ______________________

mountain mama

05-31-2009, 02:53 PM

Good post! We aren't guaranteed a tomorrow. My cousin's 15 yr-old daughter died the day before yesterday. Death can certainly come at any age and you are never too young to prepare for the inevitable.

Rick

05-31-2009, 03:09 PM

Just one more journey to prepare for. I sure hope I do a better job next time around. (shaking head).

chiangmaimav

05-31-2009, 06:57 PM

Being that I am not so young and live overseas, this is an issue I have been trying to plan for lately. As it cost about 5000 dollars to ship a body home from here, I decided to arrange to be buried here in the Chiang Mai Foreigners Cemetery. I registered with the US consulate so they will notify my next of kin and also I have a friend here from US who will also get in touch with my family. I have insurance from my retirement and my ex-wife is beneficiary. In my retirement plan the beneficiary can never be changed. However, I have lived with a woman here and would like to provide for her when I pass away but, despite most things being much cheaper here, life insurance is about 20 times the cost here as in the states. The best I can do is to leave her a house. I paid for her to go to beauty school and she has a pretty good business making crochet hats so at least she can make money. One difference between here and America is that there are no old age homes. People raise their kids and then when they get old the kids take care of them. It is a good thing because most people have no retirement payments or pensions.

Ken

05-31-2009, 07:03 PM

One difference between here and America is that there are no old age homes. People raise their kids and then when they get old the kids take care of them. It is a good thing because most people have no retirement payments or pensions.

It is a good thing for several other reasons as well.

pgvoutdoors

05-31-2009, 10:43 PM

Very good thread. I was a securities broker for a few years and seen some terrible messes left for families not prepared to lose the primary bread winner. There's many inexpensive sources of help out there if you just take a bit of time to look.

Ken has brought up a good point, we all have put a lot of effort into plans to survive a variety of disasters, but what about the inevitable - DEATH. Do the ones we care most about know what to do when were gone? In good times and Bad?

Aurelius95

06-01-2009, 06:55 AM

Another thing to consider, especially if you're young, without much money, is term life insurance. If you're healthy, you can get good coverage (500k, 1M) that will take care of a surviving spouse/children in the event of your untimely demise. Term insurance is good because you lock in a rate (cheaper than traditional cash value insurance) for up to 20-25 years. If something happens to me, I want my wife to have enough to pay off the house, if she wants, and to cut back at her job, or not work at all, until the kid(s) are old enough.

We just redid our wills and "advanced health directives" back in March.

Rick

06-01-2009, 07:09 AM

All good points. Consider, too, umbrella insurance. Umbrella insurance is designed to provide you added liability protection above and beyond the limits on your homeowners, auto, and watercraft personal insurance policies. With an umbrella policy, depending on the insurance company, you can add an additional 1-5 million in liability protection. This protection is designed to “kick-in” when the liability on other current policies has been exhausted.

Let's say you have a car wreck and it's your fault. You wind up in a lawsuit and a $1.5 million judgment is made against you. The car insurance you purchased covers you up to $500,000 (I just picked a number). If you had purchased a $1 million umbrella policy then it would pay the remainder. Otherwise, you pay the remaining $1 million out of pocket.

LowKey

06-01-2009, 09:15 PM

If you aren't averse to cremation and have a sense of adventure, that $5000 trip can be reduced to the cost of cremation and a FedEx box. That's how my Dad got home for his funeral.

Also, don't leave your important papers in a safe deposit box unless you have a co-signer and they have a key. It was hell getting to the property deeds and such until the PR was appointed (and that can take a month in some states). Never put a will in there. Give copies to your executor and an alternate. Same with your health proxy.

And a lot of us do it but there is no need to horde old records, phone bills, canceled checks etc. When talking to the financial adviser or attorney, find out what you need to keep and how long for your personal situation, then shred the rest, or burn it. There is nothing worse than going through stacks of old papers belonging to someone who has died. You never know what could be important.

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