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Bill Allows Loaded Guns In National Parks
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30832809
sgtdraino
05-20-2009, 02:00 AM
That... is awesome. I hope it passes.
Fingers are crossed. Poll is well in favor of it.
DOGMAN
05-20-2009, 10:28 AM
I spend alot of time in National Parks. National Parks with large predators that are teetering on the Endangered Species list, and that have densely populated campgrounds with people from all over the world. The vast majority of these folks do not understand the plight of these animals, or the behaviour of the animals- but they feel threatened by these animals. So, I am concerned about this Bill. Because of the impact it may have on wolves and Grizzlies in Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Glacier National Parks.
I am for the legislation- only if the firearms are not allowed to be used in animal encounters. Bear Spray is proven to be more effective in bear encounters than pistols anyway- so, I want the rules to stay the same in regards to animals.
I don't want some wussy pistolero from Long Island unloading on a bear because it was 100 yards away from him and his kids and he got scared and felt threatened so he shot the bear. So, even though I am pro gun rights, this legislation is a little troubling to me.
Jason, you recently said it yourself. You are predictable. Good post.
dolfan87
05-20-2009, 04:04 PM
I am for anything that gives us back our right to bare arms. Besides, how many guys can hit a bear with a small handgun 100 yards out. You know, besides Ken and Hopeak. ;)
I am for anything that gives us back our right to bare arms. Besides, how many guys can hit a bear with a small handgun 100 yards out. You know, besides Ken and Hopeak. ;)
Ahhhh. You've watched us at the range, haven't you? :innocent:
Chris
05-20-2009, 04:14 PM
I spend alot of time in National Parks. National Parks with large predators that are teetering on the Endangered Species list, and that have densely populated campgrounds with people from all over the world. The vast majority of these folks do not understand the plight of these animals, or the behaviour of the animals- but they feel threatened by these animals. So, I am concerned about this Bill. Because of the impact it may have on wolves and Grizzlies in Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Glacier National Parks.
I am for the legislation- only if the firearms are not allowed to be used in animal encounters. Bear Spray is proven to be more effective in bear encounters than pistols anyway- so, I want the rules to stay the same in regards to animals.
I don't want some wussy pistolero from Long Island unloading on a bear because it was 100 yards away from him and his kids and he got scared and felt threatened so he shot the bear. So, even though I am pro gun rights, this legislation is a little troubling to me.
As is expected from MSDNC that article is a little misleading.
How the bill works is if you have a concealed pistol license in the state of say Tennessee and you want to go to Smoky Mountain National Park and carry, you can.
You have to have a license recognized by the state in which the park resides in order to carry a concealed weapon there.
Or, in other words, what the bill does is treat national parks like any other property in the state where they reside. If the state allows people to carry, the park will now too.
So some guy from NY isn't going to be able to carry just because he is there.
Chris
05-20-2009, 04:15 PM
I am for anything that gives us back our right to bare arms. Besides, how many guys can hit a bear with a small handgun 100 yards out. You know, besides Ken and Hopeak. ;)
Good point, definitely not me. I'd have to get the bear good and angry and wait until it is almost on top of me to hit it.
dolfan87
05-20-2009, 04:25 PM
Ahhhh. You've watched us at the range, haven't you? :innocent:
I am not going to admit to anything...but I have heard You both can hit a 1/2 inch bulls eye at 100 yards with a bb gun. :tongue_smilie:
I am not going to admit to anything...but I have heard You both can hit a 1/2 inch bulls eye at 100 yards with a bb gun. :tongue_smilie:
You heard wrong. It's a 1/4 inch bullseye. :innocent: No "group" - just one hole.
I have no problem with the law. It always seemed absurd to me to be able to carry a concealed weapon, drive 10 feet onto federal land, and have to unload and case the thing. The same savage beasts that are outside the park are inside the park and usually drinking beer and playing loud music.
**BLAM**
"Dude! You just shot my blaring DVD player!"
"Thank your Congressman, idiot."
crashdive123
05-20-2009, 06:36 PM
I believe the argument that shootings (of animals or people) will increase is just a red herring. Think about it. I carry concealed just about every place I go. The fact that I will be allowed to carry in a previously restricted area will not magically turn me or any other responsible gun owner into an irresponsible gun owner.
I read some of the comments after the article. I love how the left always portrays gun owners as drunken rednecks. OK, a few of us are (rednecks) but even we have thigns like college degrees and jobs.
The fact is that CCW holders are far less likely to commit a crime of violence than members of the general public. Obtaining a CCW means that you have never committed a felony, been convicted on drug charges, and have no history of domestic violence or mental illness. Mac
I don't know. See my previous post.
Okay, okay. I'm with you. Folks have to worry about SOMETHING for gosh sakes. Pink Fluffy Bunnies, 2012, Me with a CCW. Crazy talk. Just crazy talk.
Mischief
05-20-2009, 07:37 PM
Now waiting for the great ones blessing..........
Now waiting for the great ones blessing..........
Rick's off-line.......:innocent:
crashdive123
05-20-2009, 07:41 PM
Rick's off-line.......:innocent:
Gotta be what he meant since we're not going to turn this into a political discussion.
Gotta be what he meant since we're not going to turn this into a political discussion.
Yep. Now it's gonna become a discussion about "Ban Buttons."
Mischief
05-20-2009, 07:43 PM
Oppppppps Sorry
crashdive123
05-20-2009, 07:44 PM
Nah. He's off-line right now.:lol:
Oppppppps Sorry
Ban Buttons..... Not you. Me.
DOGMAN
05-20-2009, 11:48 PM
I know that owning a gun does not mean your a drunken redneck. I am not a lefty-liberal, or anti-gun. I own a lot of firearms and usually vote Liberatarian.
But, I have been around a lot of tourist near alot of Grizzlies. And, I have been around alot of armed tourist near Grizzlies. And, I can promise you that the vast majority of visitors to National Parks with Grizzly bears, are waaay to quick to feel threatened by bears.
I personally have had several hunting clients over the years almost shoot Grizzlies, because the bear was with 100 yards of them. These were all men on hunting trips- no kids or wives near by to be protecting...they felt threatened and felt they had the right to kill the bear.
This is far different than the normal scenarios people in cities with concealed weapon permits encounter.
This is far different than the normal scenarios people in cities with concealed weapon permits encounter.
You're right. In the cities, the problem is with the "rats"....... :sneaky2:
LudwigVan
05-21-2009, 01:20 AM
I believe the argument that shootings (of animals or people) will increase is just a red herring. Think about it. I carry concealed just about every place I go. The fact that I will be allowed to carry in a previously restricted area will not magically turn me or any other responsible gun owner into an irresponsible gun owner.
But according to the experts at the brady campaign, families will have to stare down AK-47s on nature hikes! :ohmy:
You know, pass a law that gives state licenced CCW carriers the right to carry in parks, all of a sudden you'll have AKs being pointed at families.
And while I support this bill for the most part I just hope they make it clear to people that it doesn't give them probable cause to shoot animals, unless they really are about to get eaten, and we all know how rare that actually is.
kx250kev
05-21-2009, 11:57 PM
I am concerned about this Bill. Because of the impact it may have on wolves and Grizzlies in Yellowstone, Grand Teton and Glacier National Parks.
I am for the legislation- only if the firearms are not allowed to be used in animal encounters.
I don't want some wussy pistolero from Long Island unloading on a bear because it was 100 yards away from him and his kids and he got scared and felt threatened so he shot the bear.
I am pro gun rights, this legislation is a little troubling to me.
I don't believe this will impact wolves and grizzlies. There would still be hefty fines in place, but self defense would be available for humans under attack, which is a good thing.
So if a bear is killing your child/wife or other loved one, put down the gun!
wussy pistolero? I won't even comment on this statement.
If you were truly pro gun rights, then you would support our 2nd amenment rights period.
crashdive123
05-22-2009, 05:23 AM
I don't believe this will impact wolves and grizzlies. There would still be hefty fines in place, but self defense would be available for humans under attack, which is a good thing.
So if a bear is killing your child/wife or other loved one, put down the gun!
wussy pistolero? I won't even comment on this statement.
If you were truly pro gun rights, then you would support our 2nd amenment rights period.
I believe he is. In fact he says he is in his post. He also says, that based on his experience that he has seen some irresponsible - or at least some potential irresponsible use of firearms when it comes to encounters with wildlife. I don't share those same concerns, but I haven't guided groups into the wilderness as Jason has either. I know what my capabilities and experiences are. You will find no bigger supporter of the 2nd Amendment than me. That being said, when I am at gun shows (I go to a lot of them) the thought often runs through my head when I see some individuals buying guns that no good is going to happen here. Those thoughts are based soley on appearances and my own personal preconcieved (or prejudices) that I own. I am still glad the 2nd Amendment is in place, but the thoughts run through my head - just as I'm sure they do with Jason.
Ole WV Coot
05-22-2009, 08:13 AM
I've carried for 45+yrs and us Rednecks were handling guns when these "experts" were wearing 3 cornered pants. I have never pulled my carry 45 on anyone in the states, therefore I haven't shot anyone. Gotta admit some folks think a 25 will stop a charging elephant and a gun is a magic wand to wave. I pay insurance but I don't plan on running anyone down, carry a firearm but don't want to use it. If you think anyone is gonna charge a grizzly with a 22, well it won't take long to weed out those too stupid to reproduce.
kx250kev
05-23-2009, 01:34 AM
I believe he is. In fact he says he is in his post. He also says, that based on his experience that he has seen some irresponsible - or at least some potential irresponsible use of firearms when it comes to encounters with wildlife. I don't share those same concerns, but I haven't guided groups into the wilderness as Jason has either. I know what my capabilities and experiences are. You will find no bigger supporter of the 2nd Amendment than me. That being said, when I am at gun shows (I go to a lot of them) the thought often runs through my head when I see some individuals buying guns that no good is going to happen here. Those thoughts are based soley on appearances and my own personal preconcieved (or prejudices) that I own. I am still glad the 2nd Amendment is in place, but the thoughts run through my head - just as I'm sure they do with Jason.
Crash, you're one of the greatest voices on this board, and I respect your words/posts greatly. I too worry about some individuals with guns, but this forum topic was really directed at CCW permit holders. They are much more responsible than a non-CCW permit holder IMHO, and most visitors to these parks are not permit holders. As for me, I can't help but get very worried and take things very personal when I read anti CCW comments. Ultimately I would not approve of anyone shooting bears or wolves at 100 yards anymore than shooting a human at those distances. It better be a life saving DGU situation when that trigger is pulled. Anything else should result in severe penalties.
crashdive123
05-23-2009, 06:30 AM
Kx250kev - I agree with you. I guess my only point earlier was that I didn't think Jason was expressing an anti CCW position. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I interpreted his comments.
@kx250kev - If non-permit holders are your concern then think about this. Non-permit holders have always carried. What makes this law any different for them? If they walk around without a CCW, making them illegal, what makes you think they haven't been walking through the parks all this time?
I'm with Coot. A defensive carry weapon is not a flag. It isn't for waving around. If I let it rear it's head then it will have something to say. But only then.
DOGMAN
05-23-2009, 11:13 AM
Kev- I am not anti CCW, I am pro gun- go back and read some of my posts from the past year and you'll see that. In fact, I believe in the original "Peacekeeper" philosophy of Samuel Colt- if everyone was carrying a pistol than we'd be a more peaceful society.
But, there are a few places guns don't need to be- one is schools. The reason- kids are a precious resource and need to be protected. Put metal detectors at the doors, and let no guns in. Protect the resource.
Glacier/Yellowstone/Grand Teton National Parks are the last parks in the lower 48 that have the natural predator/prey relationships in tact. All the animals that were here, prior to European contact are here- but they are on rocking ground. These parks are essentially islands surrounded by lands that are inhospitable to large predators when they roam out of the boundaries. These parks are a stronghold for these symbols of wilderness, and in my eyes are a precious resource that need to be protected and preserved for future generations.
I say, put a metal detector at the gates, and let no guns in. Like schools- protect the resource. This is not restricting anyones freedom. You have the freedom to NOT GO INTO THE PARK.
To me, its all about priorities. Wilderness is my number one priority. Guns aren't endangered....and in my eyes, neither are gun rights. There are far more guns in this country than when my ancestors arrived here. But, truly wild places were Grizzlies get to roam are becoming pretty darn scarce.
DOGMAN
05-23-2009, 11:20 AM
@kx250kev - If non-permit holders are your concern then think about this. Non-permit holders have always carried. What makes this law any different for them? If they walk around without a CCW, making them illegal, what makes you think they haven't been walking through the parks all this time?
I'm with Coot. A defensive carry weapon is not a flag. It isn't for waving around. If I let it rear it's head then it will have something to say. But only then.
True point...I know lots of people that carry firearms in the parks all the time. But, since those folks know they are breaking the law, they keep them buried under the seat, or deep in a backpack- basically in a useless place if they're needed. So, if you can't reach it...why even carry it. Its just extra weight.
But, if they become allowed in the parks, and are more accessible, then we will start to see dead bears. It happens every year in National Forests, it will undoubtedly start happening in the parks
DOGMAN
05-23-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't believe this will impact wolves and grizzlies. There would still be hefty fines in place, but self defense would be available for humans under attack, which is a good thing.
So if a bear is killing your child/wife or other loved one, put down the gun!
wussy pistolero? I won't even comment on this statement.
If you were truly pro gun rights, then you would support our 2nd amenment rights period.
I can see I need to better explain myself...I understand your comments about my words, because you don't know me, or know what is going through my head.
First...will start with my "wussy pistolero" comment.
There are alot of people out there that have hand cannon courage- put a gun in there hand and they think they are invincible. I meet folks like this all the time, they say things like, "its the kind of place you only go if your packin" or, "I'd never go there without my pistol"- I hear people often make comments like this when discussing going into Bear country, or ghetto's.
To me, those are wussy pistoleros. Basically, fools who think guns are there best tools for survival. I am a true survivalist, and I believe only in self-reliance. A gun is not my best survival tool- my brain is. Unless, your a cop, or a soldier and have no choice but to go into places were a gun is a necessity your an idiot. Wussy pistoleros are people who get themselves into situations that they believe the only way out is with gunfire.
Second, in National Parks, I don't think guns should be used in self-defense against animals. I view them as animal sanctuaries, and Very, very rarely to bears attack without reason or provacation. Read
"Bear Attacks...their causes and avoidances" by Stephen Herrero
"Mark of the Grizzly...bear attacks & the lessons learned" by Scott McMillion
"Hiking with Grizzlies..proven strategies for hiking in bear country" Tim Rubbert
and you'll come to the understanding that almost all bear attacks could be prevented if people would use their brains and follow some basic rules for traveling in bear country. So, in all actuallity, virtually all attacks on humans are due to humans not acting appropriatly in bear country. So, shooting a bear that charged you after you dumbly stumbled onto her and her cubs feeding on a dead elk- is not really self defense. If you'd be using your brain and following proper protocol the whole situation could have been avoided.
Lastly, I am not a blind follower. I am a free thinker! your comment
"If you were truly pro gun rights, then you would support our 2nd amenment rights period" is in my opinion short-sighted and naieve. I am not talking about taking away our guns, I am talking about protecting bears.
True point...I know lots of people that carry firearms in the parks all the time. But, since those folks know they are breaking the law, they keep them buried under the seat, or deep in a backpack- basically in a useless place if they're needed. So, if you can't reach it...why even carry it. Its just extra weight.
But, if they become allowed in the parks, and are more accessible, then we will start to see dead bears. It happens every year in National Forests, it will undoubtedly start happening in the parks
Not to belabor the point. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect you for standing up for what you believe in. I would like to see the numbers of bears killed by non-CCW folks as opposed to CCW folks. I would venture a guess it is the former that is doing the shooting.
Folks who carry a legal, defensive weapon, on the other hand, rarely even talk about it in public, much less bring it out. Why? Because they know if they do something stupid they run the risk of loosing their CCW privilege (I consider it a right but I'll use the word privilege for the sake of the conversation). Those folks that don't bother acquiring a CCW or can't acquire one because they have a felony conviction or domestic violence arrest or some other infraction are going to carry no matter what. Those are the very folks I'm concerned about. As much as you. I don't want them on the property either but they are there, have always been there and will always be there. I just want the right to protect myself from THEM not the animals. I'm not concerned about animals attacking me. If I want to protect myself from the animals, I'll buy bear spray.
LudwigVan
05-23-2009, 09:29 PM
+1 rick, I support this bill because I think people should have thier right to defend themselves agaisnt muggers and rapists extended to parks, and especially to defend against the kind of people who would find it OK to kill an endangered species over a picnic basket. I have been visiting national parks since I was old enough to talk, and while I've seen lot's of black bear, up close even on trails and such, they are always just minding thier own business and I've never felt threatened. If you practice common sense and leave them alone and with keeping your food at a reasonable distance away from where you sleep, you should never have a problem with bear, and especially not the lethal kind, since most bear attacks can be stopped without killing the creature.
kx250kev
05-26-2009, 01:52 PM
@kx250kev - If non-permit holders are your concern then think about this. Non-permit holders have always carried. What makes this law any different for them? If they walk around without a CCW, making them illegal, what makes you think they haven't been walking through the parks all this time?
I'm with Coot. A defensive carry weapon is not a flag. It isn't for waving around. If I let it rear it's head then it will have something to say. But only then.
Non-permit holders are not a concern of mine. Personally, I think the 2nd amenment is our "permit", but I was just relating to Crash's comment on some peoples safety habits with guns. Heck, I even worry about the people next to me when I'm at the range. Safety is always on my mind. The nice thing about CCW permit holders is all the great training that they receive.
kx250kev
05-26-2009, 01:56 PM
Kev- I am not anti CCW, I am pro gun- go back and read some of my posts from the past year and you'll see that. In fact, I believe in the original "Peacekeeper" philosophy of Samuel Colt- if everyone was carrying a pistol than we'd be a more peaceful society.
But, there are a few places guns don't need to be- one is schools. The reason- kids are a precious resource and need to be protected. Put metal detectors at the doors, and let no guns in. Protect the resource.
Glacier/Yellowstone/Grand Teton National Parks are the last parks in the lower 48 that have the natural predator/prey relationships in tact. All the animals that were here, prior to European contact are here- but they are on rocking ground. These parks are essentially islands surrounded by lands that are inhospitable to large predators when they roam out of the boundaries. These parks are a stronghold for these symbols of wilderness, and in my eyes are a precious resource that need to be protected and preserved for future generations.
I say, put a metal detector at the gates, and let no guns in. Like schools- protect the resource. This is not restricting anyones freedom. You have the freedom to NOT GO INTO THE PARK.
To me, its all about priorities. Wilderness is my number one priority. Guns aren't endangered....and in my eyes, neither are gun rights. There are far more guns in this country than when my ancestors arrived here. But, truly wild places were Grizzlies get to roam are becoming pretty darn scarce.
Jason, we agree that wilderness, wildlife and children are a precious resource. As far as gun free zones, they just don't work in my opinion unless every every conceivable exit/entry is patrolled and secure. (airports are about the only good example of a gun free zone) but it just wouldn't work for schools and parks.
crashdive123
05-26-2009, 02:01 PM
The nice thing about CCW permit holders is all the great training that they receive.
Not to start a food fight (I am more closely aligned to Vermont's carry laws), but I have been issued a concealed carry permit in three states at various times. I'm sure that it varies from state to state, but there was not training (real training) required. Washington and Georgia - just send in the application along with the finger print card. Florida - take a three or four hour class that covers the law, not safe handling. I would hope that everybody that carries, or owns a weapon would be trained in the proper and safe handling of weapons. Unfortunately, that is not always the case.
kx250kev
05-26-2009, 02:13 PM
I can see I need to better explain myself...I understand your comments about my words, because you don't know me, or know what is going through my head.
First...will start with my "wussy pistolero" comment.
There are alot of people out there that have hand cannon courage- put a gun in there hand and they think they are invincible. I meet folks like this all the time, they say things like, "its the kind of place you only go if your packin" or, "I'd never go there without my pistol"- I hear people often make comments like this when discussing going into Bear country, or ghetto's.
To me, those are wussy pistoleros. Basically, fools who think guns are there best tools for survival. I am a true survivalist, and I believe only in self-reliance. A gun is not my best survival tool- my brain is. Unless, your a cop, or a soldier and have no choice but to go into places were a gun is a necessity your an idiot. Wussy pistoleros are people who get themselves into situations that they believe the only way out is with gunfire.
Second, in National Parks, I don't think guns should be used in self-defense against animals. I view them as animal sanctuaries, and Very, very rarely to bears attack without reason or provacation. Read
"Bear Attacks...their causes and avoidances" by Stephen Herrero
"Mark of the Grizzly...bear attacks & the lessons learned" by Scott McMillion
"Hiking with Grizzlies..proven strategies for hiking in bear country" Tim Rubbert
and you'll come to the understanding that almost all bear attacks could be prevented if people would use their brains and follow some basic rules for traveling in bear country. So, in all actuallity, virtually all attacks on humans are due to humans not acting appropriatly in bear country. So, shooting a bear that charged you after you dumbly stumbled onto her and her cubs feeding on a dead elk- is not really self defense. If you'd be using your brain and following proper protocol the whole situation could have been avoided.
Lastly, I am not a blind follower. I am a free thinker! your comment
"If you were truly pro gun rights, then you would support our 2nd amenment rights period" is in my opinion short-sighted and naieve. I am not talking about taking away our guns, I am talking about protecting bears.
Jason, I understand you value nature highly. I too value nature/wildlife, and don't want people shooting bears that may make a bluff charge, or any animals in the parks for that matter, but we'll have to "agree to disagree" when it comes to what we each value most in this scenerio. For me it would be human life.
kx250kev
05-26-2009, 02:16 PM
I would hope that everybody that carries, or owns a weapon would be trained in the proper and safe handling of weapons.
I agree completely.
Unfortunately, that's not always the case. Indiana is an on demand state. No training of any kind is required. You don't even have to prove you know which end shoots. It's a tough call for sure. I don't want more government regulation but a firearm really doesn't belong in the hands of anyone untrained in their use. That's another reason I spend as much time at the range as I do.
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 10:44 AM
New law allows loaded guns in national parks
But firearms must be allowed by state where park is located
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100218-NationalParksGuns-hmed-532p.hmedium.jpg
Loaded guns will be allowed in Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and other national parks under a new law that takes effect Monday. The law lets licensed gun owners bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.
CONTINUED @ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383
Sarge47
02-21-2010, 11:07 AM
I merged your thread with the previous one on the same subject. You might want to learn how to use the search feature to prevent duplication of threads; thanks. :cool2:
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 11:14 AM
My Bad,, I thought "wow" 43 replies already ? LOL sorry,
Unfortunately, that's not always the case. Indiana is an on demand state. No training of any kind is required. You don't even have to prove you know which end shoots. It's a tough call for sure. I don't want more government regulation but a firearm really doesn't belong in the hands of anyone untrained in their use. That's another reason I spend as much time at the range as I do.
I started my kids out young, first with dart guns then with BB guns. Always be aware where that gun is pointed at all times and never point that gun at another person at anytime and be aware of what is beyond that target before pulling the trigger taking in consideration of rickashay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDb24zPCOeQ
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 11:32 AM
I have a feeling that Sarge47 is/was a Drill Sarge, (just guessing ) :innocent:
Nope. He ran a slave ship for Rome in a former life.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rjo0407l.jpg
hunter63
02-21-2010, 03:11 PM
IMO
Passing that law will remove a lot of potential felons from the mix.
Those that carry, will do it whether it's legal or not.
Those that get caught, and don't have a permit, will get prosecuted.
Those that do have a permit will move along.
Anyone that is being attacked by a what-ever, and can't defend themselves, will pay the price.
Anyone that does defend themselves, will have a better chance of living.
Personally I would rather be alive to argue my innocence.
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 03:26 PM
I found it curious that it depends on what state a particular part of the park you were in,, Correct me if I am wrong, and I may be, But aren't National Parks all considered Federal Land ?
Sarge47
02-21-2010, 05:53 PM
I have a feeling that Sarge47 is/was a Drill Sarge, (just guessing ) :innocent:
I wanted to join the Marines at 17, but I'm deaf in one ear & can't hear out of the other. The draft board classified me as "1-Y", which meant that I could only be called up for non-combative duties, but I never was. Bummer! I wanted to be a Marine, do my time in the 'Nam, kill people & burn their homes. But it never happened.
When I was but a wee tyke I always played "War" with my playmates. Sorta like "Ken" (Michael Richards) on "Fridays". We used Army surplus gear and all kinds of cool weapons. I carried a wood '03 Springfield training rifle that I'd use to go through the manual of arms. I had hand grenades that fired caps, a plastic 1911 Army Colt Automatic, A real helmet, web belt, Army 1st aid kit...etc.. I formed a squad & even gave out medals I made myself. The other kids all called me Sarge and I sewed Master Sargent stripes on my army shirt sleeves, but wore the Eagle, Globe, & Anchor of the Marine Corps. I have the temperment and the ability to get things done. I don't play around if somethings, IMO, is serious. Other than that, I'm really a big pussy-cat. In my spare time I'm a working Magician doing kids shows, and they love me! NOW DROP & GIVE ME 20 MAGGOT!!!! :sneaky2: :innocent: :cool2:
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 06:18 PM
I wanted to join the Marines at 17, but I'm deaf in one ear & can't hear out of the other. The draft board classified me as "1-Y", which meant that I could only be called up for non-combative duties, but I never was. Bummer! I wanted to be a Marine, do my time in the 'Nam, kill people & burn their homes. But it never happened.
When I was but a wee tyke I always played "War" with my playmates. Sorta like "Ken" (Michael Richards) on "Fridays". We used Army surplus gear and all kinds of cool weapons. I carried a wood '03 Springfield training rifle that I'd use to go through the manual of arms. I had hand grenades that fired caps, a plastic 1911 Army Colt Automatic, A real helmet, web belt, Army 1st aid kit...etc.. I formed a squad & even gave out medals I made myself. The other kids all called me Sarge and I sewed Master Sargent stripes on my army shirt sleeves, but wore the Eagle, Globe, & Anchor of the Marine Corps. I have the temperment and the ability to get things done. I don't play around if somethings, IMO, is serious. Other than that, I'm really a big pussy-cat. In my spare time I'm a working Magician doing kids shows, and they love me! NOW DROP & GIVE ME 20 MAGGOT!!!! :sneaky2: :innocent: :cool2:
Some Magician,, you couldn't make "ME" disappear .. :innocent:
( wink) lol
LostOutrider
02-21-2010, 06:26 PM
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10668
I guess so long as they don't allow weddings then everything will be fine.
2dumb2kwit
02-21-2010, 06:49 PM
Some Magician,, you couldn't make "ME" disappear .. :innocent:
( wink) lol
LOL......jokes on you. He's a mod. He CAN make you disappear!:innocent:
Sarge47
02-21-2010, 07:06 PM
LOL......jokes on you. He's a mod. He CAN make you disappear!:innocent:
I was waitin' for somebody to mention that! :sneaky2:
Justin Case
02-21-2010, 07:18 PM
LOL......jokes on you. He's a mod. He CAN make you disappear!:innocent:
I Know when to shut up LOL
I remember that old saying about "sleeping dogs" LOL
BLM land has always followed State law. It's just the Federal Parks did not allow carry. Corps of Engineers, on the other hand, does not allow weapons of any kind even though they are federal. Go figure.
Batch
02-22-2010, 05:29 PM
In Big Cypress there have always been people carrying. Its a remote area and you do bump into two legged predators that might want to take advantage of that.
There was an incident a while ago where someone was target shooting near camp. They were also drinking. So someone called the park ranger. The ranger came out and asked if anyone had any loaded firearms. When the guy said yes the ranger told him to put it in the tent.
Still can't take a gun into federal buildings though. Legally at least. Check stations and visitor stations and what not.
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