Self defense question

[travelerjd]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?

[Ken]

Hey, travelerjd!

How about telling us a bit about yourself before we start killing bears and space aliens?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[Rick]

Welcome. Why not protect yourself as you make your way to our Introduction section and tell us a bit about your self?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

I think bear spray would be a better option for all around protection. I'm not certain that it works on space aliens but it would on the rest. It definitely works better on criminals that law abiding citizens.:alien:

[Ken]

One of these, maybe?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?

Whatever you know how to use effectively. If you don't know how to use any of them, pick one you have an affinity for and start learning/practicing. Wash rinse repeat as many times as you still find joy in it...weapons are fun, and always a practical skill to have.

[NCO]

Well, an axe, and if it is bear country, a spear. That's how they were hunted few hundered years ago. Besides a spear is a very good weapon against any threath. And id dubles as a walking stick/etc...

[travelerjd]

Well, an axe, and if it is bear country, a spear. That's how they were hunted few hundered years ago. Besides a spear is a very good weapon against any threath. And id dubles as a walking stick/etc...

I was thinking a spear would be great! But it would have to be light enough to carry around but strong enough to not snap when thrust into a huge bear. Maybe a maple or oak shaft?

[grundle]

I was thinking a spear would be great! But it would have to be light enough to carry around but strong enough to not snap when thrust into a huge bear. Maybe a maple or oak shaft?

Use bamboo, extremely strong, very bendable, and comparatively light in weight.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Better yet, just learn how to make your own so you can repair it, not if, but when, you have to. You should do the same with firearms.

[travelerjd]

Well, an axe, and if it is bear country, a spear. That's how they were hunted few hundered years ago. Besides a spear is a very good weapon against any threath. And id dubles as a walking stick/etc...

Does a tomahawk work the same as an axe?

[Excalibur]

I aint packin that death ray or its batteries but i have learned that a good fixed blade knife can be tied to a pine shaft with 550 cord and can be used as an effective spear. but becareful as the blade usually gives befor the shaft.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Does a tomahawk work the same as an axe?

tomahawk != axe, so no. similar if you are talking a hand axe/hatchet, but not the same.

[crashdive123]

I would carry an awareness of my surroundings. I would not carry anything that you listed for protection against the animals you listed. Maybe for food gathering, but not protection. Bear spray would be on my list along with a good stout walking stick, but awareness would be paramount whether you have a gun or other weapon, or not.

[chiye tanka]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?

You forgot zombies.:innocent:

[Rick]

Avoidance is your best defene. Only when you fail that do you need a weapon.

[mountain mama]

I'm with Rick and crashdive123 in that I would rather have Bear Spray...it works against all types of varmints, even the human kind.

[Pict]

I'm partial to the mini-bushman for having a spear on an "as needed" basis. They are a decent knife in their own right but when mounted on six feet of sapling they really are a formidable weapon.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2254/astattachingspearhead.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6453/asterinspearovershoulde.jpg

Even in the hands of a kid. Mac

[crashdive123]

Mac - you got shorther......and your hair has changed.

[MatthewnOK]

Mac - you got shorther......and your hair has changed.

Maybe it was one of them thar' jungle plants he done et'. You reckon?

[Rick]

Either that or he found the "Fountain of Youth" in Pennsylvania. Ponce was looking in all the wrong places, looks like.

[jrock24]

Mac,
What is the eye bolt for?

[crashdive123]

Mac,
What is the eye bolt for?

To securely attach it to the fashioned spear (just a hunch).

[Rick]

Does Cold Steel still make the mini-bushman? Isn't that discontinued?

[crashdive123]

Not sure if they still make it, but it looks like several on-line sites still have it available.

[Rick]

I just ordered a Bushman. You guys have yacked so much about it I had to get one to see what so special about it. Ya'll know you cost me money, don't you. I was never a knife man until I got on here and now I've got an itch I can't seem to scratch!!

[crashdive123]

Just be careful scratching it with the Bushman. They're pretty sharp out of the box.

[tennecedar]

I just ordered a Bushman. You guys have yacked so much about it I had to get one to see what so special about it. Ya'll know you cost me money, don't you. I was never a knife man until I got on here and now I've got an itch I can't seem to scratch!!


I don't have one of those either. If it turns out you really like it, you not being a knife guy, I'll try one out. I'm nuts about blades and I have to try very hard not buy a new one everytime somebody brags on one. Especially the under $50 variety.

[jessielavon]

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk

[Ole WV Coot]

Either that or he found the "Fountain of Youth" in Pennsylvania. Ponce was looking in all the wrong places, looks like.

I could use a little more information, especially on the hair. Shore could use some and am willing to travel. I don't like the choices either. I can do more with a decent walking stick, nice seasoned hickory or sassasfras on anything but bear. I just don't go without something I am really comfortable with, like firearms. Too old to fight and too fat to run.:blushing: NOW back to that hair growing stuff......

[Rick]

Coot - I've learned that once you get old you can replace the hair on your head with the hair from your ears and eyebrows. Just comb everything UP.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f98opUNuVXc/SEUDKFrlV6I/AAAAAAAAAkw/LZTs1oys89A/s400/combover.jpg

[Pict]

That is my daughter about five years ago. She's going to college in the Fall.

The screw eye is to attach the socket handle to the shaft. I use a screw eye because it doesn't need a tool to screw it in, like a wood screw would. You just put a stick through eye and turn it in. When not in use it laces onto the sheath and is hard to lose. Mac

ETA - That comb-over shot is just wrong. People should get fined for that.

[Pict]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9958/trumpinwind.jpg

Its a crime against nature. Mac

[travelerjd]

Have you guys seen the tomahawks from 2hawks? They are really nice, but expensive. The guy wants 200 for a warhawk. Anyone have experience with those hawks? How about the cold steel "Trail Hawk"?

[hoosierarcher]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?

Any weapon carried better be very familiar to you. That is to say you better have practiced with it. If you've never thrown a tomahawk the best time to do it the first time is NOT when you're facing off against marauding space aliens. :tongue_smilie:
Also in a personal defense situation it is better to think of a spear as a staff with a knife on one end. Most people can't throw a spear fast enough so that it is unavoidable for the living target. Then They pick it up and use it on you.
Pick the ones you are most familiar with, and always have more than one way to defend yourself. One thing to train yourself about, most newbies or poorly trained individuals seem to forget about their "weak" hand when they put a weapon in their "strong" hand. That has gotten people hurt and even killed countless times.
As far as weapons in the field are concerned better for the sack of the authorities to train to use tools you'll have practical need for as weapons.
Use a walking stick of hickory or ash that is a good quality tool handle and make sure a Cold Steel Boar spear can be attached if needed. Keep the Boar spear out of sight until deep in the field. Learn to use you entrenching tool, your camp axe, machete, tent stake mallet as a weapons. Because of the few tricks I taught my exwife she was able to defend herself against a feral rottweiller mix with a couple of cask iron skillets. She swatted him across the jaw with the big 12 incher than threw the small 8" one into the dogs ribcage in a tomahawk like throw that I am sure broke ribs. That made him run off. I actually feel sorry for any man that grabs my ex from behind un announced or with ill intent.
Anyway, Don't take anything you don't know how to use and only fight when you can't escape and get the heck outta Dodge.
One last thing if you're a smaller man learn and practice Apache fighting techniques. That will put a dang big fight in a little dog.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

i might pick the tomahawk it would offer the best chances of defence and i could use it to build a better weapon. theres lots out there too,fallen trees provide javolins and other razor sharp points. thorny trees like the thornapple, saplings that die and rot away leaving only the hard center. god stuff there

[lucznik]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?

None of the above!

If I am worried about simply defending myself from "bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals" (you didn't mention any need to perform any hunting chores), then a good bear spray is what I would want. It will instantly stop any aggressive moves from any of your mentioned threats and doesn't require you to get within "hand to hand combat" distance where you would most assuredly receive you share of wounds in any scuffle.

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

I carry 2 knives and a hatchet not for defense purposes however they would work for that I am sure. I also carry a sling and a wrist rocket but they are more for securing food then defense . Have also on a few occasions used the wrist rocket to lob a rock ahead of a deer who sensed something and was moving out to detour it back my way on a stalk

[chiangmaimav]

The fact is I often have to go in wilderness here and cannot legally carry a firearm or even a bow, though the rangers and other law enforcement types here don't say anything if I carry a crossbow. But technically as a foreigner I cannot legally do that. I sometimes travel in tiger country, though they are quite rare now, as well as bear and wild boar territory. Not to mention wild elephants. In reality the crossbow I have would not do me much good against any of these animals. Bear spray is good but I cannot find any here. A spear is a good weapon but basically if you run into a tiger or grizzly, you are much better off trying to avoid a confrontation than to have to rely on a spear, but if there is no other option than a spear is much better than the other items mentioned, which are basically useless against a large, vicious animal.

[travelerjd]

Great answers guys! It sounds like bear spray is the best thing for defense against the said attackers. Well here is what I plan to carry...

1. Small hatchet (instead of a tomahawk for utility)

2. Fixed blade utility knife (many uses)

3. Can of bear spray (for those pesky aliens)

What do you guys think of that set up?

[trax]

You're just avoiding the whole zombies issue, makes me kind of suspicious......

[Alpine_Sapper]

3. Can of bear spray (for those pesky aliens)


I think you should reconsider the pepper spray. It's a great way to no have to put rounds in a bear that may not kill it, but for all other practical purposes, pepper spray sucks in an outdoor environment. Spraying into the wind is going to mace you or whoever your with, and you're not always going to have time/room to maneuver to a position where you're not going to mace your entire group. Besides, catch the right individual and the pepper spray simply pisses off your assailant. Just my .02, but I speak from experience. Besides, bullets have a better range.

[hoosierarcher]

For Aliens just pack in as much Bubblicious Berry Blast Bubble Gum as you can. You can parlay one - three (at most) for safe passage through their "hunting" area. They are absolutely bonkers for the stuff. They don't seem to understand the concept of just being able to take it out of your pack as one of their shipmates "probes" you.

[Rick]

(hurriedly writing notes.....good stuff. really good stuff).

[Ole WV Coot]

I think you should reconsider the pepper spray. It's a great way to no have to put rounds in a bear that may not kill it, but for all other practical purposes, pepper spray sucks in an outdoor environment. Spraying into the wind is going to mace you or whoever your with, and you're not always going to have time/room to maneuver to a position where you're not going to mace your entire group. Besides, catch the right individual and the pepper spray simply pisses off your assailant. Just my .02, but I speak from experience. Besides, bullets have a better range.

Have you considered deodorant, hair spray and a match???:innocent:

[Rick]

Personal hygiene is soooo important.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Personal hygiene is soooo important.

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what to do with the match once my opponent is no longer stinking and all their hair is standing on end....

[Rick]

Well, Coot did say the comb over was out. So if aliens have a bald spot they are SOL with that.

[travelerjd]

Bubble gum for aliens, now why didn't I think of that! Haha, this one really made my night : )

Ok, I agree with the other poster, the bear spray definitely does not have the range of a pistol or rifle. But then again, it doesn't have the weight either. My pack is always under 30 pounds, considering I only do 3-4 days at most (back problems). Ahh, decisions-decisions. :innocent:

[Badawg]

Dood... The 'bears' in San Diego will run if you tell them yer "not into that"...

[Alpine_Sapper]

Dood... The 'bears' in San Diego will run if you tell them yer "not into that"...

roflmao...That's one I didn't expect. You deserve a RedBull sir.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

well if i was in san diego bear country I'll have that red bull to go(Quickly gathering my things).......

[hoosierarcher]

RedBull????? OMG!!!!!!!!! If the Zombies find you with that they will rip your guts out to get what you've already drank. They crave that syrupy sloush more than brains! You guys have such huge gaps in your training! The only thing they like more is that energy drink NOS. It let's them move at 28 Days Later speed instead of Dawn of the Dead speed. SHEESH! I thought everyone knew that.

[travelerjd]

Dood... The 'bears' in San Diego will run if you tell them yer "not into that"...

Hahaha! Oh no, I knew that was coming :phone:

[Alpine_Sapper]

RedBull????? OMG!!!!!!!!! If the Zombies find you with that they will rip your guts out to get what you've already drank. They crave that syrupy sloush more than brains! You guys have such huge gaps in your training! The only thing they like more is that energy drink NOS. It let's them move at 28 Days Later speed instead of Dawn of the Dead speed. SHEESH! I thought everyone knew that.

lol. I guess my radio operator was asleep on the job when they made the announcement.

But yeah, NOS is appropriately named. Although, I haven't noticed the sudden end to the speed burst until HOURS later. The warning on the side of the can is appropriate. If you are caffiene sensitive DO NOT DRINK NOS.

BTW, Nice avatar dude. That one suits you MUCH better.

[hoosierarcher]

I like it too it's a modern take on famous Gadsden flag. As I was a Marine in my earlier life and The Gadsden flag was the first flag of The Corps It seemed appropriate. It also makes a broader, mre acceptable political statement.
As far as Energy drinks go I much prefer the 5 Hour Energy One shots. They work and there is NO crash and they are actually nutritional good for you. No sugar and only as much caffiene as one cup of good coffee. Plus because the Aliens are allergic to B12 and the Zombies don't like the lack of sugar they both leave you alone over it.

[Yuma Kutsuu]

I would carry a japanese katana. They are durable extremely sharp and perfectly fine at piercing. I would need nothing more.

EDIT: Okay by nothing more I would need food and such I mean no other weapon. Just reread and had to clarify.

[mountain mama]

omg this topic has certainly run awry...are y'all trying to attract a different breed of newbies?

[Howard Brittain]

Well-

you may not believe this, but i carry a damascus katana everyday, (i live in Ward Colorado)- ask anyone.

Having said that, the query did not involve swords of any sort.
I'll soon include a photo of the 'spear' that should be taken.

I refer to these as "battle-lance", this weapon should be able to 'set-to-recieve-charge" equal to approximately 1500 pounds, at 30 miles per hour. Anything less, and your just playin' with yourself.

The ideal sidearm, is a toss-up between a "coffin handle bowie", and a tomahawk, or "warhawk".

NOTE: ABSOLUTELY no axe, or knife should be less than ONE POUND. If you can't wield that, you asked the wrong question.

[Sarge47]

So, Howie, how long you been eatin' those weird mushrooms? I, myself, carry a long hard-plastic Nalgene bottle & force the enemy to drink out of it. Then, 20 years later they're dead from Cancer...that'll teach 'em!:innocent::sneaky2::cool2:

[Rick]

So my Mora isn't going to cut it? (that' a pun chuckleheads) That's sad. Really sad. I guess Rambo was right. Bigger is badder.

[LostOutrider]

I refer to these as "battle-lance", this weapon should be able to 'set-to-recieve-charge" equal to approximately 1500 pounds, at 30 miles per hour. Anything less, and your just playin' with yourself.

That's it - Howard here is my new backpacking buddy.

"Here comes the bear, Howard. Quick, set to receive charge!"

*drop pack*
*run away*
*glance over shoulder to make sure Howard is still set to receive bear*

[Alpine_Sapper]

Well-

you may not believe this, but i carry a damascus katana everyday, (i live in Ward Colorado)- ask anyone.

Having said that, the query did not involve swords of any sort.
I'll soon include a photo of the 'spear' that should be taken.

I refer to these as "battle-lance", this weapon should be able to 'set-to-recieve-charge" equal to approximately 1500 pounds, at 30 miles per hour. Anything less, and your just playin' with yourself.

The ideal sidearm, is a toss-up between a "coffin handle bowie", and a tomahawk, or "warhawk".

NOTE: ABSOLUTELY no axe, or knife should be less than ONE POUND. If you can't wield that, you asked the wrong question.

So you really are the MYTHICAL grand master. Carrying a Katana and knowing how to use it are two different things. Knowing how to use it makes you look like a badass. Carrying it around and making broad bold statements about how bad you are with a blade and how the best "sidearm" is a *blade* makes you look more and more like a...well... Anyway, I wanna see you spear fight a bear. I'll pay money for that. I just won't pay your hospital bills.

So hang on to your katana, or "warhawk". I'll stand behind Rick and make smartass comments about plugging the subsequent holes.

[Rick]

Wait! Wait! Hold the show! Stop the presses! Put the brakes on this locomotive!

Are you really Bear Gryllis? Come on, you can tell me. Be honest. Are you?

[Ole WV Coot]

That stuff makes my flamethrower look like a match. I guess I will try and make it to Wally's and get one of those light sabers and cookies & milk. Wonder if my attack beagle Muttley can handle handle that much steel? He's not worried, I asked and he opened one eye and went back to sleep so I guess I just need milk & cookies.

[mountain mama]

Hey, Ole WV Coot, if you share your milk & cookies, I'll share my bait...
http://www.morristsai.com/uploaded_images/bear-grylls-5-799052.jpg

[Arkansas_Ranger]

How about... "sharks with frickin lasers on their heads" ~ Dr. Evil

Bear spray?? Those giant cans could hose down a lot of people or smaller animals and hopefully work on a bear.

Spears seemed to have worked for centuries. Sling shots are too iffy. A bat is just stupid, and a short hatchet / tomahawk probably would be mostly useless against animals. If you used any of this against another human they'd probably just shoot you first, lol.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Bear spray?? Those giant cans could hose down a lot of people or smaller animals and hopefully work on a bear.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if that stuff is just capsicum or oleoresin capsicum?

[Rick]

I don't know. I just hope they haven't finished filling in that hole yet.

"More dirt! We need more dirt!"

[crashdive123]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if that stuff is just capsicum or oleoresin capsicum?

It may vary by manufacturer, but... http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/bear-spray1.htm

[Alpine_Sapper]

It may vary by manufacturer, but... http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/bear-spray1.htm

Ok, looks like the civilian use stuff is too. From the way some of the sites on the marker rounds made it sound there was a difference. Thanks.

[crashdive123]

Also found this -

How do you choose which bear pepper spray to purchase?

A: Of the 6 bear pepper sprays currently registered with the EPA for sale in the US you will find variation in spray duration (4-9 seconds), reach (18-40 feet), weight and cost. And if you browse the web pages each has (see list at end of article) you’ll quickly realize that each considers their product the best on the market. There is nothing wrong with ‘product pride’ but personally I feel that you won’t go wrong with any of the currently registered products as the EPA has specified minimum standards in spray hotness, volume, spray pattern and capsaicin source (must be from red peppers, not man-made). The only qualities of spray not regulated by the EPA are how far the spray carries and for how long the spray will issue from the can. You may think you’d want a can that sprays the farthest and longest but there are obvious trade-offs here. In a recent Back Packer Magazine article on bear pepper sprays (September 2000, www.backpacker.com) you’ll see that the spray that shot the farthest (>40 feet) also lasted the shortest amount of time (4 seconds). So what’s a hiker to do?

You might consider the following guidance provided by bear safety experts that comprise the Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee (IGBC). This group comprised of State and Federal biologists released recommendations for bear pepper spray on August 12, 1999. Their “Pepper Spray Position Paper” lists the following criteria:

Item IGBC Recommendations
Spray Concentration 1% to 2% Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoids
Spray Distance 25 feet or more
Spray Duration (minimum) 6 seconds
Size (minimum) 7.9 ounces of net weight or 225 grams of spray
Spray Pattern Cloud Pattern Spray
Raw Material Derivative of Oleoresin Capsicum (OC)
EPA Registered Yes

[Howard Brittain]

there you go-

[Howard Brittain]

1st My name isn't Howie. Choosing to disrespect my name, (although you've never laid eyes on me)- proves both your decided lack of intellect, and decided lack of debate skill.
2nd Accosting me as though i had said to use the weapon, concludes as did #1.
3rd Presuming i don't know the difference between use of a sword, and display- again refers back to a decided lack of intellect.

JUST SO SOME IGNORANT BOYS KNOW.

The katana upon my back, is for demons, and undead.

i will never allow a mortal -the excuse of standing before my JUDGE, and declaring, "-he wouldn't have killed me if he didn't have a weapon."

Totally naked, i'm the MOST ARMED man in the room.

Goofballs, i only addressed the question, as asked, (your inability to observe that speaks volumns of your LACK of survival "boo").

[Alpine_Sapper]

1st My name isn't Howie. Choosing to disrespect my name, (although you've never laid eyes on me)- proves both your decided lack of intellect, and decided lack of debate skill.
2nd Accosting me as though i had said to use the weapon, concludes as did #1.
3rd Presuming i don't know the difference between use of a sword, and display- again refers back to a decided lack of intellect.

JUST SO SOME IGNORANT BOYS KNOW.

The katana upon my back, is for demons, and undead.

i will never allow a mortal -the excuse of standing before my JUDGE, and declaring, "-he wouldn't have killed me if he didn't have a weapon."

Totally naked, i'm the MOST ARMED man in the room.

Goofballs, i only addressed the question, as asked, (your inability to observe that speaks volumns of your LACK of survival "boo").

ROFLMAO. Demons and undead? *wipes tear*
Is that you palerider?

In other words...you can't be serious...

OOOOOOOooooh....watch out for the vampire bats guys.... :bat:

[crashdive123]

1st My name isn't Howie. Choosing to disrespect my name, (although you've never laid eyes on me)- proves both your decided lack of intellect, and decided lack of debate skill.
2nd Accosting me as though i had said to use the weapon, concludes as did #1.
3rd Presuming i don't know the difference between use of a sword, and display- again refers back to a decided lack of intellect.

JUST SO SOME IGNORANT BOYS KNOW.

The katana upon my back, is for demons, and undead.

i will never allow a mortal -the excuse of standing before my JUDGE, and declaring, "-he wouldn't have killed me if he didn't have a weapon."

Totally naked, i'm the MOST ARMED man in the room.

Goofballs, i only addressed the question, as asked, (your inability to observe that speaks volumns of your LACK of survival "boo").

Ummmmm. Good luck with that.

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[Alpine_Sapper]

Palerider is not delusional.

just schizophrenic, huh? Or too cowardly to post under his other name. Either way, he's a moonbat in my book.

[Howard Brittain]

Where i come from, goofs like you, are suppose to think i'm full-of-whatever.

My words still stand.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Where i come from, goofs like you, are suppose to think i'm full-of-whatever.

My words still stand.

Yeah, anything would stand up dropped into a pile of horse**** that size.

[mcfd45]

1st My name isn't Howie. Choosing to disrespect my name, (although you've never laid eyes on me)- proves both your decided lack of intellect, and decided lack of debate skill.
2nd Accosting me as though i had said to use the weapon, concludes as did #1.
3rd Presuming i don't know the difference between use of a sword, and display- again refers back to a decided lack of intellect.

JUST SO SOME IGNORANT BOYS KNOW.

The katana upon my back, is for demons, and undead.

i will never allow a mortal -the excuse of standing before my JUDGE, and declaring, "-he wouldn't have killed me if he didn't have a weapon."

Totally naked, i'm the MOST ARMED man in the room.

Goofballs, i only addressed the question, as asked, (your inability to observe that speaks volumns of your LACK of survival "boo").

dude you owe me a new laptop, I just shot mtn dew out my nose onto it.
Jeff

[Howard Brittain]

lol, liberal cheese-wiz

Fail.

[mountain mama]

geee, I never thought of using cheese whiz as a method of self-defense, but I guess if I put some on you, the bear might not object so much to the scent.

[loki]

I was thinking a spear would be great! But it would have to be light enough to carry around but strong enough to not snap when thrust into a huge bear. Maybe a maple or oak shaft?

A spear while larger than a axe or mace is not going to be much heavier, if anything it will be lighter. It is nothing more than a knife on the end of a stick and for true survival it is just a fire hardened stick. These have taken many of bears, sabertooth tigers and the like. Just ask the caveman, native american and australian aborigine.

[crashdive123]

Just ask the cavemanCan't. They've sold out and are sellin insurance nowadays.

[mountain mama]

And those that aren't selling insurance are probably extinct for a reason

[tsitenha]

Try using a symetrical throwing knife as a spear head, can be used as a knife and is less brittle than a regular knife so it has a lesser chance of shattering incase of a bad cast. Less expensive also.

[loki]

I'm partial to the mini-bushman for having a spear on an "as needed" basis. They are a decent knife in their own right but when mounted on six feet of sapling they really are a formidable weapon.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2254/astattachingspearhead.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6453/asterinspearovershoulde.jpg

Even in the hands of a kid. Mac

Do you know where I can find a mini bushman? I have been searching here in the states for over a year and have not been able to locate one. Are there any European vendors who have them for sale that you can refer me to. Thanks.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Do you know where I can find a mini bushman? I have been searching here in the states for over a year and have not been able to locate one. Are there any European vendors who have them for sale that you can refer me to. Thanks.

Why not just do a google search? they are all over the internet.

[mountain mama]

Actually, the mini's are discontinued and hard to find, even on google

[crashdive123]

Google turned up some sources. Here's a couple.

http://www.tacticalman.com/pages/882306/page882306.html?refresh=1141007507113

http://www.thefind.com/sports/browse-cold-steel-bushman-hollow-handle

[Yuma Kutsuu]

Well-

you may not believe this, but i carry a damascus katana everyday, (i live in Ward Colorado)- ask anyone.

Having said that, the query did not involve swords of any sort.
I'll soon include a photo of the 'spear' that should be taken.

I refer to these as "battle-lance", this weapon should be able to 'set-to-recieve-charge" equal to approximately 1500 pounds, at 30 miles per hour. Anything less, and your just playin' with yourself.

The ideal sidearm, is a toss-up between a "coffin handle bowie", and a tomahawk, or "warhawk".

NOTE: ABSOLUTELY no axe, or knife should be less than ONE POUND. If you can't wield that, you asked the wrong question.

You carry a Katana everyday? Is that legal where you are from... the police where I am from tell me carrying a Bokken is practically illegal...

Okay well if it had to be something from the list then a knife. I am not an axe kinda person. THough with the knife I would make a spear:sneaky2:

[Alpine_Sapper]

You carry a Katana everyday? Is that legal where you are from... the police where I am from tell me carrying a Bokken is practically illegal...

Okay well if it had to be something from the list then a knife. I am not an axe kinda person. THough with the knife I would make a spear:sneaky2:

It is illegal in most places. So is carrying a Bokken. It's considered a "club" if the officer decides it's worth taking you in on the illegal weapons charge. But the OP of that statement was a.... bit off.

[Yuma Kutsuu]

It is illegal in most places. So is carrying a Bokken. It's considered a "club" if the officer decides it's worth taking you in on the illegal weapons charge. But the OP of that statement was a.... bit off.

A club? Really... Yeah I am definately going to look up provincial laws.

[Alpine_Sapper]

A club? Really... Yeah I am definately going to look up provincial laws.

Well, yeah, most bokkens, especially sans tsuba, are really just a stick, even if they are pressed formed layers or actually carved that way. I have several bokkens and suburito's of many different types, but they don't leave the house unless I'm moving. Besides, if I'm going to kick someone's *** with a practice weapon I'm going to use either duct tape wrapped practice nunchucks or a shinai (kendo sword).

Myamato Musashi used a bokken to defeat at least one opponent;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi

[tsitenha]

The legality of transporting/carrying/displaying a katana/bokken/bokuto in Canada falls under multi layers of regs. and is legale but with a caveat, it depends in how you carry it, for what purpose, and in which manner (threatening non-threatening) you carry it.
An acquaintance of mine (who owned a martial arts store) was warned by a couple of officers that if they saw anyone leaving his establisment with anything that could be construed as a "katana" they would arrest that person and him also. The next day he walked out with not only a "katana" but also a "wakizashi" inserted in the obi of his hakama and spent the next 4-5 hours parading in front of his store, cruiser passed and passed, no action taken......case closed.

[Yuma Kutsuu]

The legality of transporting/carrying/displaying a katana/bokken/bokuto in Canada falls under multi layers of regs. and is legale but with a caveat, it depends in how you carry it, for what purpose, and in which manner (threatening non-threatening) you carry it.
An acquaintance of mine (who owned a martial arts store) was warned by a couple of officers that if they saw anyone leaving his establisment with anything that could be construed as a "katana" they would arrest that person and him also. The next day he walked out with not only a "katana" but also a "wakizashi" inserted in the obi of his hakama and spent the next 4-5 hours parading in front of his store, cruiser passed and passed, no action taken......case closed.

That is very interesting. I would have to wonder though if the police knew that they were looking at a sword or maybe they just didn't care. I mean there are a few variables there, though it does make one wonder.

I am currently in a situation where carrying something legal for selfe defense would be a VERY wise idea and am kinda looking for suggestions.

[Rick]

So what are YOUR thoughts? What would you be comfortable with for self defense?

[tsitenha]

It all in (so far ) in the intent or end use. Try getting into a martial art that is accessible to you, won't be effective today as it will be in the coming years but you have to start some where. In Canada we don't have the same rights as our cousins to the south, so do or go as far as you feel comfortable.

[Yuma Kutsuu]

A very close friend of mine is a blackbelt istructor in Taekwondo so I have him teaching me a bit of that until I move out and join fully.

I looked at Canada's weapon laws and they pretty much cover everythig aside from a very tiny cylindrical stick. Oh well I guess I will have to do like the wolves and travel in packs for the mean-time.

[chiangmaimav]

Thank you Tsitenha. I made a spear with bamboo and throwing knife and it worked out very well. I also liked that bushman spear but cannot find any of them here. I also have to add that I think carrying around a sword every day is strange to say the least. I think it would intimidate people and really who needs it unless you are a musketeer. And the best sidearm is a gun. You can argue over which gun is the best, but it is definitely better than a war club.

[FVR]

My knives
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/FrankV/MVC-020S.jpg

The big hawk
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/FrankV/MVC-002S-2.jpg

[crashdive123]

Good looking hardware.

[FVR]

Thanks. I can shave will all of them.

[crashdive123]

...and I could probably cut myself with all of them.

[Rick]

I'd steal them from him but he'd no doubt track me down by the blood trail.

[Goloth]

You carry a Katana everyday? Is that legal where you are from... the police where I am from tell me carrying a Bokken is practically illegal...

Okay well if it had to be something from the list then a knife. I am not an axe kinda person. THough with the knife I would make a spear:sneaky2:

Well the thing is, the United States constitution states "The right to bear arms" which means you can carry any weapon you want. What the state does, is regulate concealment laws. I can walk down the street with an eight-foot sword, but it can't be concealed, and it can't be brought in a public place that bans weapons.

[Ken]

Well the thing is, the United States constitution states "The right to bear arms" which means you can carry any weapon you want. What the state does, is regulate concealment laws. I can walk down the street with an eight-foot sword, but it can't be concealed, and it can't be brought in a public place that bans weapons.

That is not an accurate recitation of the law.

[crashdive123]

Well the thing is, the United States constitution states "The right to bear arms" which means you can carry any weapon you want. What the state does, is regulate concealment laws. I can walk down the street with an eight-foot sword, but it can't be concealed, and it can't be brought in a public place that bans weapons.

You will find that most U.S. citizens here (and many that aren't citizens) are big supporters of the Second Amendment. That being said, there are laws that restrict the carry of both concealed carry and open carry. In most states I would be willing to bet that it is illegal to "walk down the street with an eight foot sword". While it might contribute to a more polite society if it were allowed, words like brandishing and menacing come to mind.

[FVR]

In most states if you don't have a cc permit, you can't carry a pocket knife with a blade of 3 inches. You can get away with wearing a sheath knife of moderate size as long as it looks like a hunting knife. Larger knives and knives that look like self defense weapons are quickly categorized under the cc permit regs.

In Ga. they give you a little card, they use the term weapon, which includes handguns, self defense knives, and other goodies.


We were at a kids ballgame last week and my wife told me that a man had a gun. I indicated to her that there was a badge next to the gun and a pair of handcuffs on the other side. He was a police officer. The coach mentioned that since it was a county park, there is a certain number of off duty police officers that need to be onsite in case of any poor actions by parents.

I let my cc permit expire as I don't carry a gun. I'm not sure if I would be able to carry at the park. I don't really see a need to, with the police there and all those bats.

[mcfd45]

In most states if you don't have a cc permit, you can't carry a pocket knife with a blade of 3 inches. You can get away with wearing a sheath knife of moderate size as long as it looks like a hunting knife. Larger knives and knives that look like self defense weapons are quickly categorized under the cc permit regs.

In Ga. they give you a little card, they use the term weapon, which includes handguns, self defense knives, and other goodies.


We were at a kids ballgame last week and my wife told me that a man had a gun. I indicated to her that there was a badge next to the gun and a pair of handcuffs on the other side. He was a police officer. The coach mentioned that since it was a county park, there is a certain number of off duty police officers that need to be onsite in case of any poor actions by parents.

I let my cc permit expire as I don't carry a gun. I'm not sure if I would be able to carry at the park. I don't really see a need to, with the police there and all those bats.

Umpire: "out!!"
Dad: "he was safe!!"
Umpire: "he was out"
Dad: "SAFE!!!!!"
Umpire: "OUT!!!!!
Dad: (picks up bat) "thump"

[Rick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36OpchdG6w&feature=related

[Old GI]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlatl

[glockcop]

Ok guys (and gals) here is a question I have been thinking about a lot lately. If you go into the wilderness and cannot carry a firearm or bow, what would you carry other than a fix blade knife? To protect yourself against bears, mountain lions, space aliens, and criminals. Options are as follows...

1. Spear
2. Tomahawk
3. Throwing weapons
4. Indian war club
5. Baseball bat
6. Sling shot

Or a combination of those?
None of the above. "Cattle grade" tazer would be tops supplemented with bear spray.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

My knives
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/FrankV/MVC-020S.jpg

The big hawk
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/FrankV/MVC-002S-2.jpg

I like how the horn was sectioned on the bowie is that a Kbar?

[trax]

.... I can walk down the street with an eight-foot sword, but it can't be concealed,

How do you conceal an eight foot sword to begin with? Have to say, it sounds painful.

[Rick]

It's a folder.

[Old GI]

It's a folder.

You're a baaaaaad maaaaannn! Rick

[Rick]

I try.......

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