Problems with machetes

[Plastic Brick]

Hello. I just joined the forum today because I'm in an ergonomics class where we have to pick a cutting tool that we know nothing about. The only one I could think of was a machete. After a week of developing designs for machetes, I found out that that my information is only valid if it is based on interviews from people who actually use machetes. So, my questions for all of you are:

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

What do I need to know before designing one?

What are the biggest problems with machete handles?

What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Plastic Brick

[Alpine_Sapper]

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

What do I need to know before designing one?

What are the biggest problems with machete handles?

What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Plastic Brick

I'll try to answer your questions in order;

It's not dangerous. People not knowing how to use one are what's dangerous.

Before designing one, know how to use one. Go out and get someone to teach you.

The biggest problem I've found with machete handles is slippage with sweat if you're not wearing gloves. Maybe some shower skid or grip tape may fix that. I just use gloves.

Ergonomic handles are going to be more or less comfortable to the individual. I tend to make my own handles since I can shape it the way I want, but only if it's a good blade and the handle is screwed up in some form or fashion.

[crashdive123]

Hey there Plastic Brick. I disagree with your statement that they are dangerous. Handled properly they are a tool, and even a screw driver that is handled improperly can hurt you. We've got lots of people that use them on a regular basis. While you're waiting for answers, how about going here (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14) and tell us about yourself. Thanks.

[tennecedar]

What do I need to know before designing one?

I'd start with which design I was attempting to make. There are MANY. Check out Cold Steel knives for a huge offering of machete designs. Next would be which steel to use for the blade. That alone is enough to start a fight amongst folks that are really into knives. After picking your steel, you'll have to decide how yours will be tempered. It needs to perform well to feel right while in use. The best handle shape in the world won't help a dull blade that deflects instead of cuts effectively. Balance will be key. Creating a "sweet spot" that performs the cutting action without vibrating the hand.

[Blood Groove]

Hello. I just joined the forum today because I'm in an ergonomics class where we have to pick a cutting tool that we know nothing about. The only one I could think of was a machete. After a week of developing designs for machetes, I found out that that my information is only valid if it is based on interviews from people who actually use machetes. So, my questions for all of you are:

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

What do I need to know before designing one?

What are the biggest problems with machete handles?

What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Plastic Brick

Here are the answers IMO
1.) Like other people have said already they're not "dangerous" but yes they can cause more harm than other tools if not used correctly. For instanse a while back I was cutting with a machete and it bounced off the log and gut me right in the shin down to the o'l bone. My biggest problem with using a machete is transporting it around. I dont' like a machete sheath becaue it's just there cloncking around like a big sword. I usually just carry them to where I'm working without a sheath. This leads to my second problem. I put it down somewhere in the woods and can't find it!!!! I t happens to me all the time which is why I'd recconend an orange hanlde, or orange lanyar of some sort. Not really too many other problems with them because they're a very simple tool
2.) Before designing one you need to know what kind of steel to use. A good steel the Cold Steel uses for their machetes is 1055 carbon steel. This has a reletively low carbon content (as far as carbon steels go) which means that it's not going to be brittle, and wont chip (good for a machete) but won't hold a razor sharp edge for too long. But when you're working with a machete it's not the sharp edge as much as it is the leverage of swinging the machete. So I'd pick a good medium carbon steel. For the designe...there's tons, kukri, barong, bowie, Kopis, Spear point, Sax, Bolo, Panga, and of course the good old Latin machete. That's I used to use before I got my kukri. But those are all good time-tested designes.
3.) The biggest problems with the handles is that some poorly designed ones develop "hot spots" when you're using them. Areas of unsure grip accumulate friction causing them to heat up which is uncmfortable and causes blisters (if you're hands calloused) They also just have top be good grips to the machete doesn't fly out of your hand. Thicker handles fill up your hand more and cause less hot spots I think.
4.) I like Kraton handles. It's a kind of rubber that's really comfortable I think. LIke I said a big handle is good. I know that my Ka-bar kukri has kind of a rounded "beak" or hook at the bottom of the handle so it doesnt' slip out of your hand. I cant' think of much else. I wouldn't reccoment fingure grooves becuase you're going to want to get lots of different grips on a machete for different leverage and whatnot, and the fingure grooves make this more difficult.

Hope some of this stuff helps. Good luck in your class

[SARKY]

My preference for the blade is a belly forward design. As this an everyday tool the steel should be easy to sharpen and still hold an edge during use. The Handle: 2 things I prefer 1: a lanyard hole with lanyard 2: the back end of the handle to be larger and or hooked so that if the hand does slip backwards, there is a stop built in to prevent it from leaving the hand. Sheath: I am partial to Kydex for a sheath material, it is easily formed (you can use your oven to heat it up to form) and is impervious to most climates. It also doesn't hold or absorb water in the material so less chance of rusting out your blade.

[Ken]

Just a thought.... to expand on Sarky's post, can you design one with a handle which can be heated and then gripped to conform to the size and shape of your hand as it cools, kinda' like the inside of a ski boot or hockey skates?

[Plastic Brick]

Thanks for the replies so far. They were very informative. You all are helping me a lot with my grade. The teacher actually wants a prototype built by next Monday, so I will try to address some of your responses in my design.

I may post pics of what I have drawn so far and maybe a few people could critique them?

[Ken]

My 23 year old engineer could probably design one with all of those Legos he still has. :thumbup:

[crashdive123]

Do you actually have to build one, or just design one?

[Ken]

Do you actually have to build one, or just design one?

Looking for your Legos, aren't you, Crash? :sneaky2:

[Rick]

I would think the first thing you want to consider is what the tool will be used for. Chopping tall grass and vines is different that chopping wood. How the blade interacts with the material is different.

Mac probably has more experience with a machete than anyone I know. Here is a video he put together on modifications he makes to them. It should give you some ideas on the handle since it has to be used on both sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVHeKNbRXgc&feature=channel_page

[crashdive123]

Looking for your Legos, aren't you, Crash?
Nah, a sheet of 1/4" steel and a pencil.

[warrigal]

If you want to do some research on machete designs have a look around the world. The Cold steel ones are nice but they have taken different blade shapes and mated them with the same handle ( more or less)
Some other words to search,
parang
gollok
bolo
Remember that there are two main jobs a machete is supposed to do either
#1 slashing long grass or vines to make access through heavy vegetation,
#2 chopping smaller trees for building materials, food or firewood.
Although there is a lot of crossover work either machete can do either job but one is better at it's job than the other.
Slashing machetes are normally longer thiner and lighter designed so velocity can do most the work ( cutting a vine before it "gives" and just gets bent by the cut) with out being to heavy to swing all day these are generally much sharper than the #2 machetes,
#2 machetes are normally a bit shorter heavier with the weight of the blade towards the front/point ( but the rarely have a point) to make them chop better, search images of a Kuhkri ( there are seven million spellings)
I feel the biggest problem with handles is either they are too cheap or too small and develop "hotspots" places on your hands that will grow into blisters in short order. Many traditional machetes are made to suit the hands of the local users who are by and large much smaller than the modern 1st worlder.
However when trad designs are mated with modern materials and the design adapted for our use ( and basicly I mean made larger) they can work very well.
My main machete is a AKC Gollok hand made in Indonesia by trad smiths but with larger handles for "Western use"
The top one is a Blackjack Mamba a design not being produced at the moment but ment to be a "one-knife-does-all-survival-knife" An excellent choper but not much of a slasher.
Next down is a hand made Kukri excllent chopper but the handle is too small and it develops hotspots and straight out pain if I use it to long.
next is the AKC gollok although you can't see it in this pic the handle flairs towards the end (both verticly and horizontaly like cone or pyramid) makes it very comfortable to use.
last is a cheap copy of the Austrailan and British issue gollok the handle is very uncomfortable to use. I have since cut aboout 4inches of the blade end and tidyed the handle up a much handier tool.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/warrigal/07702a47.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/warrigal/IMGP3514.jpg
I disagree with the Kraton suggestion ( not saying your wrong Blood grove just an opinion) I belive most the uses for a machete they should move in the hand it is the design that stops them from flying off into space although a lanyard won't hurt.
Gurhkas from Nepal the home of the Kukri use the blade for chopping by holding it tightly with the forefing and thumb rocking it back over the wrist then flicking the the blade towards the target, their choping motion is from the elbow not the shoulder. It has to slide through the hand, would not let that work.
Carl

[Blood Groove]

Ahh I see what you mean warrigal. I actually have the exact same Gurkha kukri you have in that picture and you're right now that I think about it. I do let it slid slightly in my hand when I'm choping, so perhats Kraton is not the material for a machete. But I still like it for knives.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Hey there Plastic Brick. I disagree with your statement that they are dangerous. Handled properly they are a tool, and even a screw driver that is handled improperly can hurt you. We've got lots of people that use them on a regular basis. While you're waiting for answers, how about going here (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14) and tell us about yourself. Thanks.

crashdive has a kukuri thats as fat as my finger, it weighs as much as an axe.the bent blade cuts material at a compound angle increasing its power. you could start with something like that

[Plastic Brick]

Thanks for the replies. My main question is now the one about problems with existing machetes. I do indeed have to build it. I bought a $7.00 machete at Walmart and may make a new handle for it out of layers of 1/4" acrylic. My main problems to confront are the slippage due to sweat that happens after swinging for a while, and the unwieldness of blades. I can:

1. make the blade very thick where it meets the handle- maybe 1/2", and then tapering down to the end. That part of the blade doesn't really cut much, does it?

2. Have the handle bent down maybe 30 degrees so the wrist doesn't have to bend as much

3. Make the handle with hills and valleys so even a sweaty hand can grip it- maybe like an aquatred design?

Its probably about time I attached some pic so you can see what I am talking about.

[crashdive123]

Looking forward to seeing it.

[tennecedar]

may make a new handle for it out of layers of 1/4" acrylic.

If using acrylic consider bead blasting the surface for a bit of gripping texture.

1. make the blade very thick where it meets the handle- maybe 1/2", and then tapering down to the end. That part of the blade doesn't really cut much, does it?

This is called distal tapering. Most all cutting competition knives are forged this way. Extreme performance. Expensive to produce. Very difficult to get the length, width, thickness ratios right.

[Sourdough]

Take an "Estwing" axe and in a sweeping arc extend the heal of the blade so it ties into the steel handle. Somewhat like a "Woodsmans Pal".

[RangerXanatos]

Hello. I just joined the forum today because I'm in an ergonomics class where we have to pick a cutting tool that we know nothing about. The only one I could think of was a machete. After a week of developing designs for machetes, I found out that that my information is only valid if it is based on interviews from people who actually use machetes. So, my questions for all of you are:

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

What do I need to know before designing one?

What are the biggest problems with machete handles?

What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Plastic Brick

I think everyone has gave you some good adivice. But mainly, it depends on the person using the machete.

But the biggest problem I have with my machetes is that I warp then too easily. Though I am very rough with them. So possibly thicker stock or a more carbon content.

[Plastic Brick]

They're not in order but these are just a few sketches.

[Pict]

I'll try to give you a little input for your project.

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

The machete is an agricultural general purpose tool that occasionally gets pressed into service as a weapon, like screwdrivers and hammers often do. They are no more dangerous than other hand tools.

The biggest problems? Movies that portray the machete as a gruesome weapon for mutilation of humans.

What do I need to know before designing one?


You need to know the environment in which the machete will be used and the plant life you intend to cut. A machete designed to work on tall grasses is very different from one designed to chop woody plants. Will the machete be used for other chores such as food and game preparation or is it going to be used to clear land?

The machete layout in my video is for a bushcraft machete, one designed to handle a wide variety of tasks and be carried on the belt. In Brazil I use a 16 inch Tramontina Latin pattern machete sharpened in that way.

Specific tasks call for specific blades. For cutting grasses you want a long light machete. Heavier, forward weighted machetes act more like axes in hardwood but will wear you out in tall grass. Short blades carry well but don't provide the reach needed for clearing land, you end up working hunched over.

What are the biggest problems with machete handles?


Slippage in hands wet with sweat is a real problem. If the handle is slick you have to grip tighter and that leads to fatigue. Paradoxically if the handle is checkered or grips too well you will wear out your skin and that leads to slippage as well.

Handles can crack or loosen in time and need to be well made. Well made handles increase the cost of a machete and since most are used in the developing world by the poverty stricken there needs to be a balance between functionality and cost.


What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

Smooth wood that doesn't rip up the palm but flared at the rear to help the hand hold on when swinging. No sharp edges or corners that concentrate force into the hand. IMO the Tramontina 14 inch Bolo has a great handle.

Mac

[Pict]

I just saw your designs. I would forget the round profile. A good machete handle needs to index in the hand such that you always know which way the blade is oriented.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6783/img2571km6.jpg

This is a Tramontina Bolo, one of the best general purpose machetes on the market IMO. The handle is simple. The smooth wood won't rip the hand to shreds yet the flared design makes it easy to hold onto. Any impacts transmitted to the handle are spread out, especially at the little finger.

Your designs address the slippage problem but would fail to index the blade and they would transmit too much force to the same areas of the hand over repeated blows. You don't need to reinvent the wheel. Take a good handle design and make it better. I'd love to have a Tramontina Bolo handle made from Micarta. Mac

[Plastic Brick]

Thanks for all the replies. New question:

How do you usually swing it- side to side or vertically?

[crashdive123]

For me, it depends on how I am using it. I rarely, if ever swing it "side to side". When I am clearing an area, I use more of a diagonal motion. If I am chopping the motion is more vertical, but still at an angle, just steeper. About the only time I use a side to side swing is cutting back bannana plants or sugar cane.

My use of one is limited. Pict will probably be your best resource on the topic.

[Alpine_Sapper]

For me, it depends on how I am using it. I rarely, if ever swing it "side to side". When I am clearing an area, I use more of a diagonal motion. If I am chopping the motion is more vertical, but still at an angle, just steeper. About the only time I use a side to side swing is cutting back bannana plants or sugar cane.

My use of one is limited. Pict will probably be your best resource on the topic.

I rarely ever swing side-to-side or vertically. It's almost always from the opposite shoulder in a diagonal across my body down to the same side hip I'm holding the machete. This tends to cut down on the possibility of hacking off a leg inadvertently by swinging straight down, and side to side is kind of awkward anyway, but I can't picture getting to much economy of motion out of it, as gravity can't really do the work for you at that point.

[Sourdough]

How do you usually swing it- side to side or vertically?

Across upper right to lower left, I am right handed. I mostly use it for clearing alders 1" up to 3" dia. for photographs. I also use it for shallow blaze-marks when laying out a new trail. If the trail is a keeper I go back with and Axe and make real deep blazes. Mostly I use the Estwing Axe as it also works for driving felling wedges.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

as i said earlier in this thread, a compound cut is most efficient. see the thing is, a machete is expected to cut any forest material, hard wood, dead wood with knots, spongy plants like cattail, bulrush, grass.thick wood you would hammer the blade into the log like an axe(drive it with a heavy branch or stone).the roman gladius style handle is extreemly comfrotable. my suggestion is to make your handle with the thumb depression only use hard rubber soft rubber togather so that the handle is smooth and the depression is the soft rubber.

[Pict]

The most efficient cut with a machete is on a diagonal of 45 degrees or as near to it as you can manage given the angle of the vegetation you are cutting. If a vine is hanging at a 45 degree angle you cut at it straight down. Vertical bamboo, cut it at 45 degrees. If you cut perpendicular the material will break and wrap around the blade and its natural spring action will absorb the force of the impact. A 45 degree cut bites deepest.

You always cut to the outside of your body, backhand (cutting left to right), or forehand (cutting right to left). Its a matter of body positioning, always keep your right leg forward left leg back (for a right hander). You never do a right handed forehand cut with your left leg forward. (Stand up and do it and you'll see why) This is real easy to forget when you are cutting a path and not paying attention. The only time you normally cut with your left leg forward is when chopping at something straight down.

When aiming a machete you aim at the far side of the material not the surface, just like throwing a punch. You don't punch to the head, you punch to the brain inside it. Mac

[Rick]

You don't punch to the head, you punch to the brain inside it.

Exactly what is it that you're teaching those folks in Brazil?:innocent:

[Pict]

Short answer - Truth.

Slightly Longer answer - It is a huge mistake to think that everyone in the "clergy" led a sheltered life.

Mac

[Rick]

Ah, reality, ring true the words of Henry Fielding, ""For clergy are men as well as other folks".

[Runs With Beer]

I did a few mods to this Tramontina Bolo, Clipped point, Para cord handle Wood sheath. Mabey this will give you a few ideas.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I did a few mods to this Tramontina Bolo, Clipped point, Para cord handle Wood sheath. Mabey this will give you a few ideas.

out of curiosity, Why the clipped point?

[Runs With Beer]

out of curiosity, Why the clipped point?

Mostly because I like it. And it now has thrusting/ stabing point.

[Rick]

Like a thrusting/stabbing point is going to intimidate MORE than a man approaching with a regular machete.

"Do you think I'm afraid of you? Huh? Do ya? Well I am NOT afraid of you! Oh, wait, is that a clip point? AAAAAaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/10494908_d50a7f7f21.jpg

[Alpine_Sapper]

Mostly because I like it. And it now has thrusting/ stabing point.

Cool. Nice mod.

[Runs With Beer]

Like a thrusting/stabbing point is going to intimidate MORE than a man approaching with a regular machete.

"Do you think I'm afraid of you? Huh? Do ya? Well I am NOT afraid of you! Oh, wait, is that a clip point? AAAAAaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/10494908_d50a7f7f21.jpg

Thats funny, and you do have a point. Its mostley because I like it:thumbup1:

[Rick]

I wouldn't hang around long enough to find out what kind of point is on it. I see someone walking in my direction with a machete I'm either bookin' it or drawin' down on him.

[Plastic Brick]

Would you ever use a 2-handed machete?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Would you ever use a 2-handed machete?

I'd just use an axe instead.

[Rick]

I believe they call those Longswords, Zweihander, Claymore, Odachi or Wodao.

[crashdive123]

Would you ever use a 2-handed machete?

No............

[Pict]

The two-handed machete, like the large cane knives, is a very specialized tool and really has no purpose outside its agricultural niche. I have never had a use for one. Mac

[Sourdough]

Would you ever use a 2-handed machete?


YES, Hence my design of expanding the the estwing short axe.

[Plastic Brick]

Just to get beck to what Pict said, yes movies do portray machetes only as violent tools. John Wayne was a pretty good guy but Big Jake was a Violent movie, along with Jason, ect.

[bulrush]

What are some of the biggest problems with machetes, other than the fact that they are dangerous?

I don't like the handles. They are too small and I can't get a grip on it very well. They also get slippery when you are sweaty.



What do I need to know before designing one?

Know what tasks machetes are good for. They can be used for lots of things, even flipping pancakes, but are suited for only a few things, like cutting branches up to 3 inches thick.



What are the biggest problems with machete handles?

They are too thin. My suggestion is make the handle thicker, so that your thumb does not touch your fingers wrapped around it. Now put a flexible but thin layer on it, like a foam mouse pad. Not the cheap mouse pad foam, but the good foam, like a wet suit.



What type of handle is the most ergonomic (comfortable)?

See above.

I prefer to dogleg blades myself.

I've been hurt more by screwdrivers and utility knives than by machetes.

Also, an orange handle, with a lanyard, with a glow in the dark (GID) fob on the lanyard would be great.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

the thumb groove if a depression in the handle; is only going to be comfortable for one hand,IE.. if the depression is on the left side of the pommel only a right handed person can use it,soft rubber fingers and a hard rubber palm would accomadate everybody,and not just the right handed (or left). ergonomics would suggest that

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

if your machete is giong to available in stores a universal pommel would be a prudent choice for marketing the product,who says "they only had a left one"!

[Plastic Brick]

Good idea. Right now though I'm just trying to build it. I already have the blade which might be slightly modified.

New poll question: Is there a blade that's comfortable for everyone?

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Good idea. Right now though I'm just trying to build it. I already have the blade which might be slightly modified.

New poll question: Is there a blade that's comfortable for everyone?

youre doing a good thing there, I hope you get it right. if you do i'll buy one

[Alpine_Sapper]

New poll question: Is there a blade that's comfortable for everyone?

No.
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[gryffynklm]

I've been following this thread and find it fascinating. I was wondering How does this forum membership become Beta testers? Were do I sign up?

QC, what is your thought on this.

[Plastic Brick]

I've been following this thread and find it fascinating. I was wondering How does this forum membership become Beta testers? Were do I sign up?

QC, what is your thought on this.

Its not an official product. Its just for a class. However, eventaully I hope to be a product designer, assuming the economy gets to a point where employers are hiring. If any of you are employers that like my designs (there are at least 2 more coming in the next few months) there are thousands more where those came from.

Plastic Brick

[Pict]

Machetes are like golf clubs. There is no one perfect golf club, it all depends on the shot you're trying to make. They all look similar but there is a huge difference between a sand wedge, putter, driver etc.

There are machetes made for general purpose use and machetes made for specific tasks or adapted to specific regions. You really need to define what your blade is intended to do. Mac

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

its finding that one that fits the "personal habit" i like mine thick, heavy, and wood handled. my brother likes the thinner USMC BullDog.

[crashdive123]

Its not an official product. Its just for a class. However, eventaully I hope to be a product designer, assuming the economy gets to a point where employers are hiring. If any of you are employers that like my designs (there are at least 2 more coming in the next few months) there are thousands more where those came from.

Plastic Brick

Don't leave your success to the hopes of employers hiring. Start your own company. I'll bet many a successful knife maker started in their basement or garage.


New poll question: Is there a blade that's comfortable for everyone?I agree with Alpine - No.

[Plastic Brick]

I turned in and presented the prototype to the class and will find out what grade I got on Monday. Thank you to all of you for your help. I'll try to post a pic after I get it back- its nothing pretty, but it is meant to be comfortable. Hoprfully the professor does not lacerate his flesh while testing it out in his back yard.:innocent:

[vthompson]

I read all of the posts concerning machetes, and really enjoyed all of the recommendations and different types of machetes. I have tried different one's out and I decided on and bought myself an Ontario Knife Company SP-8 Machete. It has a 10 inch blade and is razor sharpnd it has a great grip and is balanced well.
It is great for cutting and chopping, and is excellent for chores around camp. It is the berries for constructing a lean to or other type shelter in a camping or survival situation.
I really don't think that there is a perfect machete.You need to have the one that can best handle the job that you are abot to perform.

[SnipAR-10]

No further report? Grade? pic? huh huh huh?

[Plastic Brick]

Got a B- on the project, the teacher took it home and used it in his yard for a week. It didn't break, he didn't complain, and I need to post a pic of the handle.....

[Rick]

Oh, I get it. Teach has got you guys creating outdoor stuff and he gets to reap the benefits. Sweeeeet!

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