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Rick
03-31-2009, 03:45 PM
I recently purchased an obsolete Vulcan stove. The old stove, when it was new, had a gel similar to sterno that fired it. The gel is no longer made. A few days later, I picked up a sterno stove and a couple of cheap aluminum pots at the thrift store so I decided to make a stove that would work with the Vulcan and make some stands that would work with the Sterno Stove. Sterno and my Trangia are all too large to fit in the Vulcan.

I built an alcohol stove out of a couple of soda cans. It took about half an hour to complete and works like a charm. It's 1 1/2 inches high and holds 2 oz of alcohol. The burn holes around the perimeter are 1/16 inch.

The stands are made of 1/8 brass brazing rods and held together with a piece of 3/8 aluminum tube that I happened to have. I made the legs of the stand and then used my vice to squeeze the aluminum tube closed. I used a cold chisel to pinch the aluminum tube down the middle so it would squeeze the legs of the stand. The stands are adjustable and can close completely for storing.

The burn time of the alcohol stove is an amazing 40 minutes. For the test, I used 3 cups of water in the 1 quart pan pictured below. It boiled water at 9 minutes using the smaller of the stands.

The sterno stove never did boil water. Instead, it did what sterno does well. It simmered the water at about 150F until I got tired of the stench and put it out. About 12 minutes.

The alcohol stove burns like an inferno inside the Vulcan stove. Because of the way the Vulvan is built, the draft shot flames about 4 inches above the top of the stove. It boiled water in about 9 minutes but only burned for about 14 minutes. The draft is so intense it used the fuel at a pretty rapid pace.

I have no idea what I'm going to do with them but it's good to add skills and knowledge to the mental hard drive and good to know I can make it them if I have to.

For those of you that haven't done it, alcohol burned inside really stinks up the house. Don't do it.

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Ken
03-31-2009, 03:58 PM
:glare: Just unbelievable audacity! :sneaky2: To post such a thread on the Forum without clearance from the Quality Control Department :nono: is the pinnacle of disrespect. :chair:

Crash, as my Assistant Director of Quality Control and as a Super Moderator, please BAN THIS GUY! :ban:

Aside from all of that, that was a pretty neat job and good info, Rick. Thanks for the post. :D
crashdive123
03-31-2009, 04:24 PM
Another great job Rick. Ken - you didn't get your samples?
Ken
03-31-2009, 04:32 PM
Another great job Rick. Ken - you didn't get your samples?

Uhhh, no Crash, I didn't. Just to make me feel better, why don't you post pics of the ones YOU received. Place them, say, on that log in your backyard. Also include a pic of the shipping label. Just names and states - you can redact the rest of the info on the label.

I'll be waiting for your post. You post pics pretty fast. The post should appear when, before 4:45?
crashdive123
03-31-2009, 05:06 PM
Uhhh, no Crash, I didn't. Just to make me feel better, why don't you post pics of the ones YOU received. Place them, say, on that log in your backyard. Also include a pic of the shipping label. Just names and states - you can redact the rest of the info on the label.

I'll be waiting for your post. You post pics pretty fast. The post should appear when, before 4:45?

Know where I can find a good defense attorney?:whistling::whistling::whistling:
Ken
03-31-2009, 05:19 PM
Know where I can find a good defense attorney?:whistling::whistling::whistling:

Yep. But representation on charges of TREASON costs BIG BUCKS. :sneaky2:
Ken
03-31-2009, 05:43 PM
Crash - Bow your head in shame........

Mutiny
From Wikipedia

Mutiny is a conspiracy among members of a group of similarly-situated individuals (typically members of the military; or the crew of any ship, even if they are civilians; or members of the Quality Control Department) to openly oppose, change or overthrow an existing authority. The term is commonly used for a rebellion among members of the military against their superior officer(s).

Most Forums still punish mutiny with particularly harsh penalties, sometimes even BANNING. Mutiny is typically thought of only in a thread context, but many websites make no such distinction, and there have been notable mutinies on-line.

The United States Uniform Code of Military Justice defines mutiny thus:

Art. 94. ( 894.) 2004 Mutiny or Sedition.

(a) Any member ofthe Quality Control department, including Super Moderators subject to this code (chapter) who

(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

(3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
U.S. military law requires obedience only to lawful orders.

Famous mutinies

17th century

Batavia was a ship of the Dutch East India Company (VOC), built in 1628 in Amsterdam, which was struck by mutiny and shipwreck during her maiden voyage.

18th century

HMS Hermione was a 32-gun fifth-rate frigate of the British Royal Navy, launched in 1782, notorious for the mutiny which took place aboard her.
Mutiny aboard HMS Bounty, a mutiny aboard a British Royal Navy ship in 1789 that has been made famous by several books and films.
Spithead and Nore mutinies were two major mutinies by sailors of the British Royal Navy in 1797.

19th century

The Indian rebellion of 1857 was a period of armed uprising in India against British colonial power, and was popularly remembered in Britain as the Indian Mutiny. It is remembered in India as the Sepoy Mutiny.

The USS Sharon, a New England whaler, was subject to multiple mass desertions, mutinies, and the murder and dismemberment of a cruel (and from the record, sociopathic) captain by four Polynesians who had been pressed into service on the Sharon.

20th century

Mutiny aboard the Russian battleship Potemkin, a rebellion of the crew against their officers in June 1905 during the Russian Revolution of 1905. It was made famous by the film The Battleship Potemkin.

Black Sea mutiny (1919) by crews aboard the French dreadnoughts - Jean Bart and France - sent to assist the White Russians in the Russian Civil War. The ringleaders (including Andr Marty and Charles Tillon) received long prison sentences.

After World War II

Post-World War II demobilization strikes occurred within Allied military forces stationed across the Middle East, India and South-East Asia in the months and years following World War II.

The Royal Indian Navy Mutiny encompasses a total strike and subsequent mutiny by the Indian sailors of the Royal Indian Navy on board ship and shore establishments at Bombay (Mumbai) harbour on 18 February 1946.
SS Columbia Eagle incident occurred on 14 March, 1970 during the Vietnam War when sailors aboard an American merchant ship mutinied and hijacked the ship to Cambodia.

21st Century

The Great Crashdive Mutiny. In the most blatant example of mutiny in history, Crashdive disregarded all loyalties to the Quality Control Department and sided with some guy who chose to ignore the rules. Then he fibbed, sorta in a way, to cover up for the guy. Just deplorable .....:sneaky2:
crashdive123
03-31-2009, 05:49 PM
Now, now counselor. I'm sure that you have seen and used some extrodanary tactics in the courtroom. Haven't you ever confused a witness (remember Rick's age)? So he reads my post and figures Oh shoot! I'd better get a set out to Ken!. Here I am selflessly trying to score you some gear and what do I get? Sheesh - have you no faith my brother?
Ken
03-31-2009, 06:04 PM
So he reads my post and figures Oh shoot! I'd better get a set out to Ken!.?

I'm going outside now to wait by my mailbox. If you don't hear from me in a week, at least mail me some food. I'm bringing my pack, but I'll probably run out of food in a week and I'm not gonna' move one inch from that mailbox.


Sheesh - have you no faith my brother?

I'll let you know. In one week.
crashdive123
03-31-2009, 06:07 PM
Well now that my cover is blown...ain't you ever seen Serpico - man - I was in deep. Well at least something was deep.
Runs With Beer
03-31-2009, 07:03 PM
I recently purchased an obsolete Vulcan stove. The old stove, when it was new, had a gel similar to sterno that fired it. The gel is no longer made. A few days later, I picked up a sterno stove and a couple of cheap aluminum pots at the thrift store so I decided to make a stove that would work with the Vulcan and make some stands that would work with the Sterno Stove. Sterno and my Trangia are all too large to fit in the Vulcan.

I built an alcohol stove out of a couple of soda cans. It took about half an hour to complete and works like a charm. It's 1 1/2 inches high and holds 2 oz of alcohol. The burn holes around the perimeter are 1/16 inch.

The stands are made of 1/8 brass brazing rods and held together with a piece of 3/8 aluminum tube that I happened to have. I made the legs of the stand and then used my vice to squeeze the aluminum tube closed. I used a cold chisel to pinch the aluminum tube down the middle so it would squeeze the legs of the stand. The stands are adjustable and can close completely for storing.

The burn time of the alcohol stove is an amazing 40 minutes. For the test, I used 3 cups of water in the 1 quart pan pictured below. It boiled water at 9 minutes using the smaller of the stands.

The sterno stove never did boil water. Instead, it did what sterno does well. It simmered the water at about 150F until I got tired of the stench and put it out. About 12 minutes.

The alcohol stove burns like an inferno inside the Vulcan stove. Because of the way the Vulvan is built, the draft shot flames about 4 inches above the top of the stove. It boiled water in about 9 minutes but only burned for about 14 minutes. The draft is so intense it used the fuel at a pretty rapid pace.

I have no idea what I'm going to do with them but it's good to add skills and knowledge to the mental hard drive and good to know I can make it them if I have to.

For those of you that haven't done it, alcohol burned inside really stinks up the house. Don't do it.

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/163.jpg

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Great post Rick, Those alcohol stoves are neat, Ive made a few myself, and I think thy work great, I realy like the stands you made, Ill have to try that. So,Whats for dinner?
Rick
03-31-2009, 07:13 PM
Golden brown squirrel and smooth red eye gravy. Hot buttery biscuits with thick brown molasses. Fresh wild greens, corn on the cob and black eyed peas. Grandma made a heapin' jug of sun tea and some of her special blueberry pie a la mode. Yum Yum.

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Gray Wolf
04-01-2009, 01:37 AM
Nice work Rick.
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