I believe

[wareagle69]

I beleive that if and when the crap hits the fan (for some it already has) it will not be the total anarchy that some here think(or hope) it will be.
The amount of small farming that has been reborn even around the major cities is ever on the rise. Also take into account the amount of immigrants to the large ciites, how many mexicans,indians, chinese and so on that are used to subsisting on meager amounts will be able to revert back to that lifestyle, that is first and second generation immigrants, any longer than that and they may have fallen into the same complancentcy that most of of have.
I beleive that most will band together to fight the lawlessness that will take place, by those that are more scared than those of us who have the ability to survive, will it suck? sure but thats because i am spoiled, i try to make my life frugal but i am still spoiled to the fact that i always have had things at my disposal even, listen even when i was homless living out of my truck, things to me still seemed easy, but thats me maybe i am built different.
I think that some (whomever they may be) like spreading the fear and paranoia and conspirosy thoeries to creat panic and fear in these times and i will be the voice of the opposite to show that thses are not times to be afraid but times to learn and rediscover who we are.
wareagle/palerider.

[trax]

Wow--he's like the Jerry McGuire of the bush sometimes isn't he? That was well done bro.

[DOGMAN]

Heck, that doesn't sound so bad. Community, local farmers, all good stuff

[tsitenha]

To add to WE's excellent post, the ability to adapt (now), improvise and overcome; even if it has been said often will be a major factor in the success of those who "make it".
Communities, clans, tribes, whatever form is established, will take a lot of adjusting...something we are not used to, it will take time.

There are also elements in the bush that will no longer have the function that they now have...... they will react how???

Not paranoia but realism.

[Sourdough]

Interesting that one can find a special peace and sense of purpose in being responsible for their own life, their family, their community. Kind'a makes one proud to be human.

[Sourdough]

There are also elements in the bush that will no longer have the function that they now have they will react how???




Sorry, I do not understand......???? Thanks, Please elaborate.

[crashdive123]

Good post WE. If you think about it (I think Remy had a good post on this a while back) man has always banded together over time. Why? To lighten the load? For protection from the lawless? Security from the wild beasties? For social contact? That's why tribes, clans, villages, towns, and cities were formed weren't they? I don't see anything that would prevent that from continuing.

[trax]

Cool...i'll play the devil's advocate then.Shall i continue ?

***kicks over Remy's plastic pail and storms out of sandbox mumbling***

[Sourdough]

Cool...i'll play the devil's advocate then.

Nice Post Remy, Sure NEVER though I would throw the the Old'Remy a Green'thingie. what do you call those green things....? Nice post.

[Beans]

Remy!

You might have put more honesty there then most people want to know or admit.

Good post.

[wareagle69]

i'll agree with that, remy always puts great insight into things,but...........
i still beleive.

[Sourdough]

About 6.9 Billion Human Thingie's on the planet. With out cheap carbon based fuel, to power farm tractors, transport food, make fertilizer from natural gas, etc. the producible food will feed less than one Billion Human thingies.

SIX Billion (6) humans will have to die. It may take 50 years to get really rolling, but it is started. You young people need to start steering the ship, I am not sure how.

What I can guarantee you is that Gluttonous So called baby boomer's, are hopelessly addicted to more stuff, and less production if we have to do it.

It is just starting in bush villages in Alaska, with heating fuel at $8.00 per Gallon.

We have a problem.........and it is us. We could in theory change,....but we won't.

[Rick]

Good Heavens. A tad morbid and pessimistic aren't we. Someone drag you out of bed early today. People haven't changed one iota. We're the same we were 1000 years ago. 10,000 years ago. Only our knowledge and our tools have changed. We still require specific things like food, air and water. We still want specific things like love, to be needed or to belong. We are what we are today because of what we were 10,000 years ago. You guys paint a gloom and doom picture of the future. Had you lived through the black plague, potato famine or 1918 flu pandemic then, maybe, I could understand your pessimism.

You also negate the fact that science works every day to find a way to improve crop production through a myriad of ways.

Folks have always starved, been enslaved, been murdered, and I suspect they always will be. As for the baby boomers, that seems to be the largest group of back to nature wanna live off the grid folks.

Now, if you ya'll don't mind, I need a nap.

[Sourdough]

Good Heavens. A tad morbid and pessimistic aren't we. Someone drag you out of bed early today. People haven't changed one iota. We're the same we were 1000 years ago. 10,000 years ago. Only our knowledge and our tools have changed. We still require specific things like food, air and water. We still want specific things like love, to be needed or to belong. We are what we are today because of what we were 10,000 years ago. You guys paint a gloom and doom picture of the future. Had you lived through the black plague, potato famine or 1918 flu pandemic then, maybe, I could understand your pessimism.

You also negate the fact that science works every day to find a way to improve crop production through a myriad of ways.

Folks have always starved, been enslaved, been murdered, and I suspect they always will be. As for the baby boomers, that seems to be the largest group of back to nature wanna live off the grid folks.

Now, if you ya'll don't mind, I need a nap.

Rick, It is interesting that denial, hope for a magic solution is the single biggest impediment to solving the problem.

[Revelation1412]

Perhaps you all may disagree, but I think the OP made some half decent points.

[Sourdough]

Look only 86% have to die, on the BRIGHT side 14% have to live. Six Billion Die, 900 Million get to live.

Many villages like Kijik Village on Lake Clark, Alaska 100% of the people Died, I lived just down the lake. No graves, no one buried them, they were ALL gone. 100% GONE, yea it will never happen to you or all of your family, but maybe.

[Sourdough]

Perhaps you all may disagree, but I think the OP made some half decent points.


What is OP???????????

Opening Parley.........?????????????

[Ken]

What is OP???????????

Opening Parley.........?????????????

Original poster. Campaigning to hard, Hopeak?

[Rick]

I'm not saying it won't happen, quite the contrary. I'm pretty certain something(s) will. That's why I plan. What I don't do is wring my hands and gnash my teeth over something that may not happen. If it does, then I've planned as well as I know how and I'll either survive or not. And if I don't, I could care less. After all, I'll be dead. Until then, I'm going to live my life with one eye on the horizon. Not both eyes, with binoculars walking backwards because I'm afraid "it's" out there.

And remember, Hope. One man's denial is another man's paranoia.

[SARKY]

Have any of you read "Breakdown" by William W Johnstone? From what i've seen of our society, it looks like a pretty good view of what would occur. The urban areas would implode and then explode into the suburbs and then the rural areas. The people in the burbs would need to defend their supplies and lives or flee to the rural areas and of course the people in the rural areas will defend their supplies etc. Another good book is "Lucifer's Hammer"

[Smok]

Remy you do not need to sugar coat it , we are all men here.. Please just give to us strait

[laughingbeetle]

Excellent posts to both Wareagle and Remy. You two allways make me think.

[wareagle69]

thanks laughing beetle, its what i am trying to accomplish

[oly]

I hope for the best and should prepare for the worst but I'm not paranoid, that may be a weakness of my lack of fear or paranoia.
A country boy will survive.

[wareagle69]

i see lack of fear as a problem. it is a powerful motivater, even when i rode bulls and had my few cage fights i was always fearful, thats respect. i am in constant worry of loosing my homestead so i am always preparing to live out in the long run. but frea can also be a problem some folks freeze here are a few acronyms
False Evidence Appearing Real
-uck Everything And Run
like i said it can be a good tool

with regards to my original post and i posted this in another thread. Lets look at the fargo situation. now it is early on but it sure looks like the shtf to me and the whole community has pulled together, lets keep them in your thoughts and prayers and watch and learn from what happens

[Rick]

Thanks, WE. Good post. I agree with you. Fargo is yet another example of SHTF and, as you said, you see nothing but community at work on the news. Why do folks insist it will be any different when all the evidence we've seen from hurricane, tornado, wildfire, flood or earthquake (and we've had a LOT in the last few years) all support communities working together. Even where whole towns were knocked out and folks were sitting amid nothing but debris, first responders were there and everyone was trying to help their neighbor. (shrug)

[oly]

I also rode bulls and I no the fear your talking about.
Fear is your friend if you can control it. it enhances your awareness, makes wake up, and brings you to life.

[tennecedar]

I think you hit the nail on the head in the first post of this thread WE. I'm on the same trail.

[Sourdough]

It is clear to me that the planet Earth can only be destroyed so much and then it will not support living organisms, like Humans.

We humans "Cull" (Kill) elephants in parks, when it is clear the herd size is fatally destroying the vegetation it needs to survive. We manage wild and domestic animal populations for ours and their best interest, we play God with all life forms on earth.

We have become so skilled at this we truly believe that we are in control, that we are the masters of all life on earth. Yet we put a blind happy'face on our own population explosion.

1886 one billion humans, 2010 seven billion humans. Population doubling every 35 years. "We" are the problem, we have infested, and destroyed the earth, the very system, in fact the only know Eco-system that can support humans.

This is not meant to be mean or condescending, but most of you are like the animals born in the zoo, they will never know their natural environment. Your born and raised in the man made cities. Like rats bred and raised for some sick experiment, where the food is slowly diminished, the rat population explodes, they tell them self, "see, everything is wonderful, we are in control". And slowly they realize.

So, I see over population, resulting in lack of WATER, lack of FOOD, in a fragile (social/economic/industrial/military) system, as the most real threat to humanity, much like in the middle-east where tribe/states fight for the last water and usable land, that is not wasteland.

[wareagle69]

remy,now you are putting limitations to shtf, from what i see and beleive most scenarios of this type will all be natural disaster. riots are geographically specific and rarely effects the national core.

[wareagle69]

well you are allowed your opinions...even if they are wrong

[crashdive123]

just like we didn't give a crap about those stranded in New Orleans because let's face it...they were poor, and they were black.


I disagree with your assessment. There was a steady stream of aid targeted at New Orleans from around the country - around the world even.

[Sourdough]

Riots are geographically specific and rarely effects the national core.

They did in the 60's. And it would be interesting to know, where is the line between rioting, and say the: "The Civil War". When is it war and when is it riot.......????

[wareagle69]

focus on the word "rarely"

[crashdive123]

I don't disagree that mistakes were made. I believe that the majority of them were made by the local and state governments. FEMA had their share of the blame, and that is why Mr. Brown resigned. Sadly, too many people, regardless of their economic status or skin color think the federal government is there to bail them out. They are not,although given the history of our government over the last 40 years some may disagree. (No, not trying to start a political discussion) The primary responsibility for the indiviual is the responsibility of the individual. People (not all) are willing to help when they can.

[Alpine_Sapper]

And yeah, when you are on American soil, and your life is threatened, or your quality of life is below average, we do believe that the government we helped put in place is there to bail us out !!!!


to immediately preserve your life, yes, they are responsible for bailing your butt out of the fire. However, the quality of life being below average I take exception to. For example, if you live a ****ty life in the ghetto, it's no ones responsiblity to make it better but YOU. Living that same life as a hurricane hits? Yes, the government should evacuate you. If you refuse? Die like the rest of the moronic idiots and we'll clean up your corpse after the hurricane has passed and we've put a round through anything that looks like a looter from a helicopter. As for afterwards? No, they shouldn't have to put everyone up in trailers and pay them all kinds of money. Did they tell you to move into a flood zone below sea level? No. Did they tell you to buy a house and land down the road from an area KNOWN for wildfires in a multiyear drought? No. It's your own fault, and you should have put in a contingency plan. The federal government may have it's faults, but being a safety net for moron's and idiots is not one they've developed totally yet. Maybe the trend can be reversed. Oh, wait, not with "that guy" in office....

[Rick]

I understand your argument, Remy but I disagree with your example. The riots of the '60s and the riots again in '92 had nothing to do with people starving or having their children die of disease or starvation. It was, quite simply, people choosing to be wild because there were tangible items that could be looted without reprisal.

To examine your argument, I think we would have to go back to the Dust Bowl days of '34-'36 or further back to the Year without a Summer (1816) or even The Little Ice Age (circa 1650-1850). Those WERE times when children died of disease and starvation.

My point in these examples is one should have expected people to have rioted and killed each other but that is not what happened. The communities banded together and tried to help one another.

We have had riots occur within this country but I can not conjure up a time when it occurred from a SHTF scenario. Correct me if I've overlooked something but riots have stemmed from political, working conditions or religious roots. When our backs are against the wall we have always helped one another out. I can't see a situation occurring that would change that.

Hope - You do make a valid argument with regard to population. All the more reason for us to embrace advances in food production through genetic engineering, cloning and by increasing production through "Victory" gardens.

Famine and starvation are occurring today in the third world. Yet we have the means and the ability to feed those folks if it were not for the political chaos and genocide that is being orchestrated there. But that's a different topic for a different forum.

[Sourdough]

I understand your argument, Remy but I disagree with your example. The riots of the '60s and the riots again in '92 had nothing to do with people starving or having their children die of disease or starvation. It was, quite simply, people choosing to be wild because there were tangible items that could be looted without reprisal.

An interesting thing now is people around the world rioting because of: "Unfulfilled Expectations". That is to say people are rioting just because their dream is not manifesting expediently. "I want it now", I want more, I am underemployed.

[crashdive123]

It is clear to me that the planet Earth can only be destroyed so much and then it will not support living organisms, like Humans.

We humans "Cull" (Kill) elephants in parks, when it is clear the herd size is fatally destroying the vegetation it needs to survive. We manage wild and domestic animal populations for ours and their best interest, we play God with all life forms on earth.

We have become so skilled at this we truly believe that we are in control, that we are the masters of all life on earth. Yet we put a blind happy'face on our own population explosion.

1886 one billion humans, 2010 seven billion humans. Population doubling every 35 years. "We" are the problem, we have infested, and destroyed the earth, the very system, in fact the only know Eco-system that can support humans.

This is not meant to be mean or condescending, but most of you are like the animals born in the zoo, they will never know their natural environment. Your born and raised in the man made cities. Like rats bred and raised for some sick experiment, where the food is slowly diminished, the rat population explodes, they tell them self, "see, everything is wonderful, we are in control". And slowly they realize.

So, I see over population, resulting in lack of WATER, lack of FOOD, in a fragile (social/economic/industrial/military) system, as the most real threat to humanity, much like in the middle-east where tribe/states fight for the last water and usable land, that is not wasteland.

We are not unlike any other animal in nature. Our environment can only support so much population. I've got no idea what that number is, and with our ability to change (improve?) the way we grow food, make advances in medicine, etc. I don't know if anybody can project what the number will be. On my recent trip to Cumberland Island - the wild horse population has been right around 200 since they've been keeping track. Why? Because the environment can't support any more. The park has a strick hands off policy with the wildlife. I don't think mankind is any different.

[Sourdough]

We are not unlike any other animal in nature. Our environment can only support so much population. I've got no idea what that number is, and with our ability to change (improve?) the way we grow food, make advances in medicine, etc. I don't know if anybody can project what the number will be. On my recent trip to Cumberland Island - the wild horse population has been right around 200 since they've been keeping track. Why? Because the environment can't support any more. The park has a strick hands off policy with the wildlife. I don't think mankind is any different.


That is the logic behind: Only with cheap, plentiful supply of carbon based fuel, can the earth support more than one billion humans.

[Rick]

You're right. The 60's was social unrest based on a lot of key issues. My head was wrapped around the 92 riots and I didn't step back far enough to review my post I guess. My bad.

I have to tell you I haven't seen the first news report of anyone starving to death anywhere around me. That's why we have churches, food pantries, the Salvation Army and neighbors. It's nothing to compare to Darfur, which is what I was trying to get across. Nothing in scope and horror in any case.

The bottom line for me is this. I just believe in the good in human kind. There will always be bad people that do bad things but, overall, I think we want to look out for each other because by doing so we think (hope) someone is looking out for us and it makes the bad thing more bearable. My upbringing and religious training established a culture of giving and believing that I can't shake and don't want to. Frankly, if the only thing we have to look forward to is uncontrolled rioting, roving bands of ne'er-do-wells shooting and looting and a land that can't grow crabgrass then I'd just as soon chuck the whole trip right now. Fortunately for me, pessimism just isn't in my genes.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I agree with you to a certain extent...but another point could be made.
You are assuming that those "morons" as you call them so gallantly have the tools to put in place contingency plans...
Also, you assume that the majority of those individuals and families have the means to evaluate and readjust their lives just because they want to.


Yes, I'm making some basic assumptions that each individual, having reached an age of maturity, is responsible for their own well being, as well as any clan members that are elderly or below the age of maturity. I think this is a basic truth of humanity; we are each responsible for our own survival. What "means to evaluate and readujust their lives" do they not have? It's real simple. Just because their house got destroyed, does that mean as a taxpayer I'm responsible for handing them a check? Whatever happened to insurance? I knew many katrina victims that didn't even have a lease in their name and got a $2000 FEMA check. But regardless, failure or inability to evacuate on your own means the Government should evacuate you and provide you *temporary* shelter somewhere. As for the aftermatch, it's YOUR responsibility to either move back and use your resources to rebuild your crap, or move somewhere else. Material crap can be replaced.



Well...With this reasoning, that means that from the get go, everyone has received the same amount of tools to be able to "not be morons"..which refers back to the government.


No, not at all. Everyone does have roughly the same toolset to ensure their survival....a brain and a body that functions at least somewhat. How they use those is up to them. But I don't see where basic survival and common sense have anything to do with th Government. The only thing I see they would be responsible for is 1, to let you know it was about to happen and that evacuation was necessary, and 2; to evacuate those who haven't procured their own means of transportation.




Also, **** happens. And it happens anywhere and everywhere...if we go by what you are saying, where do i live that does not flood, catch on fire, or blows off or shake ?
Texas ?

All I'm saying is that IF you choose to move into an area that is higly prone to one type of natural disaster, don't freak out, be surprised, or blame someone else when you become a victim of said natural disaster. Sure, in some areas it can't be avoided. And yes, the main things you have to worry about in Texas are tornados and flash floods, both minor compared to some of the other disasters.

For example, the flooding in Fargo. Is it their fault? No, **** happens. Is it my responsibility as a taxpayer to make sure that each individual there is returned to their happy materialistic lives? No. If they didn't purchase insurance prior to the disaster, I'm sorry. Here's an apartment guide and an Autotrader, start putting your life back together and quit effin whinin.





Pay them all kind of money ?
You mean the $350 a month ?


No, I was actually refering to the $2000 check they got paid for being "victims' and ending up in the astrodome because they were all too stupid to get out of harms way. I talked to many katrina victims that have told me "I knew it was coming. I could have gotten out. I just didn't believe it was gonna happen". Then, I don't believe we are gonna give you a check for being an idiot.




It would be as if someone went to see a shrink for showing signs of schizophrenia and the shrink would simply say "stop that".

No, more like someone going to the doctor and saying "Doc, I can't quit drinking!" and the doc saying "So go to AA. Get yourself some help." Good advice, just not everyone is going to want, or "be able" to follow it because they decide not to.




There has to be some understandings when it comes to life situations. Not everyone can manage to pull themselves out of certain situations and even less have the foresight of preparing for different scenarios, when they can't even afford to have a car


Agreed. That's why the evacuation buses to get you out of the area, deposit you at a shelter somewhere else, thus preserving your life, are pretty much the responsibility of the Government. What you do in the aftermath of the disaster, move back or start rebuilding yourself elsewhere, is your responsiblity, and I don't think it should be Government funded. *shrug*



And even if we all agreed that they were "morons" for living there, the children of those "morons" did not have a voice in the matter, and should not have to pay the consequences of their parent's lack of preparations and contingency plans !

The children are the responsibility of the parent. Again, if they do what they are supposed to do and get on the freakin bus, the government will make sure they are safe and sound and have the ability to rebuild. I'm not saying the government should not get the people out of harms way. All I'm saying is that there is a limit to what FEMA and the federal machinery is responsible for. At some point, you have to say "Stop the insanity, enough is e-friggin-nough." and let Red Cross and the other charity's take over.

But the general attitude in this country appears to be "Oh, I moved into a flood zone and my house got washed away. or "Oh, no, I moved into tornado alley and now my house has no roof." or "I moved into wildfire alley and now my livestock are crispy critters". I don't see in any of those situations where anyone can say "Oh, it's FEMA's fault, and the goverment's fault. I deserve a check!". If they do, our response should be "get bent ***hole, we told you that would happen if you lived there. Hope you had private insurance."

[tennecedar]

i choose to be in the city..... i live in LA

Well that explains alot.










(just kidding)

[Alpine_Sapper]

Alpine,

I agree with everything you wrote.
My sentiment about "adults" aligns with all of that...no argument here.
But as we all know, people do stupid things...almost as if they couldn't help themselves...and the challenge becomes having to put aside our feelings towards stupidity, for the sake of "innocence".

We have conflicts all over this planet.
To me, as i am sure to you...that grown men want to kill each other for differences of religion, or a piece of land...i could care less. But once again, children are caught in the middle.

When a pregnant 18 year old contracts HIV for using dirty needles while doing heroine...and passes on HIV to her unborn child...we treat the child, no matter what we think of the mother.

It's the same with Katrina...i am not talking about adults wanting to rebuild or not evacuating...i am talking about families. About supporting and assisting 1, 2, 3 year old babies regardless of their parent's IQ, sense of responsibility, or behavior.

Ok. I can see your point, and agree. I guess it's just because I have that screwed up wiring that makes me think of my kids safety and well being before my own, I mistakenly assume that other parents do to. I tend to forget about all the mom's drowning/suffocating/burning their kids and all the other atrocities that filter through the news.

[Rick]

Malnutrition and poverty are a reality in this country...obviously not to the extent of what goes on in Darfur, but should that make us feel any better about it ?

Well of course it happens. It happens in my own town, I'm sure. But that wasn't the subject. Your post 31 covered a lot of ground but it talked about Fargo not have their children die from disease or starvation. My point to that was we have not had to face that except in very limited circumstances or unusual events. And when they occurred we did not battle each other but worked together to survive the event. Yes, their children were starving and still they worked together. My point is our history has been one of support and charity in the face of extreme adversity. I just don't understand why people think it will be different going forward.

As to the other reference in post 51 (I won't barter my supplies). I'm not understanding your point I guess. No, I won't barter my supplies. I won't give someone what my family needs to survive. But I did say I would barter my skills. I stand ready to help anyone; neighbor, friend or stranger. But I won't barter away what I need to keep my family well protected, warm and fed.

Finally, What am I paranoid about? Surprisingly little. Preparations, I suppose. I do sweat the small stuff when it comes to preparations. I just focus on the things I consider mostly likely to happen; fire, flood, some chemical accident on the interstate. But I don't obsess over economic melt downs that may never occur, over population that I won't be around to encounter, or hordes of roving ne'er-do-wells that don't exist today and probably never will. At least where I live.

As to your comment about WE
You are a warrior...that wants to believe he is a farmer. I agree with you. I think WE is a warrior. We have many on here. FVR, Alpine, and Sarky to name a few. I think to a greater or lesser extent each see's himself as a farmer or something other than a warrior. I don't see that as a bad thing. We have always needed warriors and probably always will. That they find a point in their lives that they become something more than a warrior is probably a good thing and testament to their adaptability.

Alpine - I am squarely in your corner on FEMA paying out disaster bucks. My father lived in a flood plain and paid pretty high rates for National Flood Insurance. When the inevitable happened, he was covered and his neighbors weren't. Who's fault is it that they didn't elect to take the insurance. Not mine. I see no reason to pay them anything. It's no different than someone not bothering to carry insurance on their car. If they have a wreck do they expect the Feds to hand them a check?

[Alpine_Sapper]

Finally, What am I paranoid about? Surprisingly little. Preparations, I suppose. I do sweat the small stuff when it comes to preparations. I just focus on the things I consider mostly likely to happen; fire, flood, some chemical accident on the interstate. But I don't obsess over economic melt downs that may never occur, over population that I won't be around to encounter, or hordes of roving ne'er-do-wells that don't exist today and probably never will. At least where I live.


Ya know, I was giving this some thought the other day because of a post one of the other members made about a nervous feeling constantly, etc. etc. I stated that obsessing over being prepared could border on OCD, etc. etc. If I sit around and focus on all the crap that COULD happen, and monitor the news looking for little signs and correlating patterns that end up pointing a big neon arrow at TEOTWAWKI being right around the corner, I walk around with this twisting whirlpool of adrenaline centered in my chest that has me wound tighter than Janet Reno's arse. So I sat down and analyzed what i *really* prepare for. Not what I have provisions or caches put back for, or kits put together for, but mentally, when I'm daydreaming or planning something to do with preparing or survival, what is it that you think about? I've ran just about every reasonable and most unreasonable scenarios through my head and ensured that I at least have some idea of how I would proceed, usually starting down the road of bug in or bug out, and then branching from there depending on the situation.

But what really scares me?

My kids future. Not things like 'Are the gonna finish school' and crap like that. Everyone walks their own path and if I do my job well they'll have a good navigation system for that path. I'm talking about what the world will be like. Remy's posts about how water is going to be a resource worth comitting genocide over. (Hey, controlling a source of water like a spring will be a very strategic advantage when potable water is the rarest of natural resources) The desertification of our planet. Is it really gonna be all Sci-fi in 20 years when she's really getting started in adult hood? Are we gonna be stuck in an enclosed environment because the UV rays are too strong? Are we going to be stuck moving everyone toward the equator because our planet is heading into the cold cycle? (Yeah, you can view this from either side, global cooling or warming)

Are clean air and clean water going to be as easily procurable as they are today?
Is there anything I can do about it?

Society says recycle. Penn and Teller says recycling is a scam about $$$ and takes more energy and resources than it saves.

Since no one REALLY knows, what do I do? Recycle? Or is it a waste of energy? Conserve water? Will the 50 gallons or a year I could concievably cut out REALLY make a difference?

That's the crap that really scares me...the spooks that find ways to grab your mind and twist it around these things in your dreams but provide no answers, because it's one big unknown, and I can't put a kit together or a plan of action for if it happens to protect the ones you love. By the time, if it does, happen I'll probably be to old and feeble to do anything about it anyway.

Sorry for the book.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Alpine,

These atrocities you mention are obvious ones...i could think of thousands less obvious.

Furthermore...have you read the statistics i provided about the state of children on this planet ? How could anyone still assume in this day and age that our children's safety is a priority ?

Little known fact.
There was a great famine in China not so long ago.
Kids became a food source, with families swapping their young with other families to not eat their own.

Pretty brutal. But all is good...i believe...

No, I don't think I read the statistics. I make that assumption because that is how I view the world. I believe it's basic human nature to forget that we are all individuals with our own experiences and ideals, beliefs and whatnot, and make the assumption that everyone's moral compass runs generally the same as yours, with the occasional extreme exception. Or maybe it's just me. Anyway, I do tend to walk around thinking that, but since my moral compass is one of the more extreme that allows for a lot of leeway in the average citizen as to what they would and would not do. *shrug*

If someone as self centered as I am puts their child above themself I tend to think most parents do, even with all the evidence otherwise in the media.

As for the Great Famine in China you mention, without having researched it at all and only having heard that from your post, I can say that that is a prime example of why Rick and I clash over the basic belief that humanity is good at it's heart. I personally feel that humanity is neither good nor evil, but chaotic at nature, and the smallest pebble dropped in the pool has the ability to create waves that can end in tsunami's. Look at the Rodney King riots, or the Watt's riots, people in china barbq'ing their kids, etc. It's not that people were inherently evil or bad. Chaos manifests itself in many forms when people are packed together in groups of an excessive size. We are pack animals (or herd, whichever comparison you prefer) by nature.

In a small pack, when resources become that slim, you do whatever is necessary to procure those resources to ensure survival, even if it means cannibalizing another small pack. In large groups like modern society, we turn in on ourselves and eat our young? Something seems wrong with that model. Delete and restart the scenario.

[Rick]

I think it's a good book. On the water issue, you can't destroy water. You can mess up our ability to drink it but, in terms of total gallons, what's here is here. Where it's stored or locked up (ice bergs, glaciers, North or South Poles) can surely change. Fresh or salt can change. But total gallons stays the same. Here's a neat little article that talks about just how much.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question157.htm

Every parent that has ever lived as worried about what the world is going to be like for their kids. I can remember my grandfather talking about how it had changed and how it was going to be so bad for me when I grew up. My parents said the same thing about my kids. I just try to impact what I can. I recycle just about everything. Is it a scam? I have no idea and I don't care. All I know is the aluminum cans I recycle take the place of ore that has to be dug out of some hole in the ground. At least that hole isn't getting bigger. Or it's getting bigger at a slower rate. The paper I recycle is letting some trees grow a little longer. Here's some facts about aluminum you might be interested in. Are they real? I haven't the foggiest. But it makes interesting reading.

http://www.cancentral.com/funFacts.cfm

I can't control what life will be like for my grand kids. What I can do is try to keep alive the knowledge of my elders and preserve it for them so they have some options they might not otherwise have. They might find some dandelion, day lily or purslane for salad when lettuce at the store is too expensive or not available for example.

Control what you can, influence what you can and forget about the rest of it. If you can't control it or influence what good does it do to worry about it?

[wareagle69]

me a warrior? nah, just an old fool who has survived so far. pretending to be a farmer. yup you've seen me work eh? pretty bad. stockpiled food yup-because i'm a terrible farmer. safety in numbers, no need to be an armed resistance, if anyone comes we will be able to help or disuade easily enough. i am just a steward of the land, no more no less.

[wareagle69]

[QUOTE=remy;109740]And just because i can...


Well excuse me a minute while i try to understand what the hell you are talking about...


He is not "the voice of the opposite", and his actions are even more radical. Just own it WE...the truth is...you don't believe in Mankind. You don't trust Mankind...and all your life you have been anticipating and fighting for your life, fighting off "others".
You are now in the middle of no-where...with enough food to last you a year, and enough tactical and logistical knowledge to declare war on humankind.
You are a warrior...that wants to believe he is a farmer.
The fear and paranoia you want us to believe is not needed, is in you.

in a way this has been on my mind for a long time. folks at first fear me, just based upon looks, then , i have tried to be non intimidating by trying to share about myself and be "humanized" this has backfired, up here people cannot imagine the life that i have lived to they call me a liar, not to face of course but i have some talk to me and tell me what others have said, then the other day some of my tools were defaced, this draws the line with me, ever hear the saying "familiarity breds contempt" well it is time for the warrior to rise again i will withdraw if they fear me for this, it is much better than to be disrespected, i want to make an example out of one of them, i won't but when they see me looking at them with a smile on my face they may wonder why, and never know hwo close they came to being the one

by the way remy maybe i should change my name to theodore and start my manifesto.

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