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Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 02:01 PM
Whats up guys, just stumbled onto this site so ill give you the quick scoop. I decided to spend this coming summer taking courses at my college. I realized that housing would cost me $2,000. This is about $2,000 more than I have and to my luck my campus has woods close by (7 1/2 miles?). In the past i would always enjoy going hiking in the woods and i decided to live in the woods this summer. I would be coming into campus every few days for class so i could shower and stock up on food which is no worry. I scouted out where im going to live this summer but it isn't as secluded as i though. At best i can manage about a mile between me and a house. As this semester is widiling down i am trying to make sure i have everything planned. I have a nice 3 man tent, survival knife, bear mace, radio, fishing supplies, lighter, ziplock bags, bug spray, ect. A few questions for you guys would be A) How to live in the woods w/out people finding me (any serious suggestions would be apprectiated) B) what crucial items may i forget C) has anyone on this forum ever done such a thing? Also is it safe to wash clothes in streams? As you can tell im new to the ropes of actually surviving in the wild but my motivation is strong. Any help is most Appreciated. -Nick-
doug1980
03-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Not sure how secret you will be there. Someone will more than likely see the tent and if you have a fire going, which you will they could see the smoke and at night see the flames. Depends on how often people use those woods. There are lots of threads on here you should check out for survival kits and gear that are must haves.
Beans
03-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Why not try to find the owner of the area, explain what you want to do and get permission to camp there FOR THE SUMMER?????
crashdive123
03-23-2009, 02:23 PM
Hey Nick - this is usually where I ask people to head to the Introduction section and tell us a bit about themselves, but you did pretty good here. As to your questions:
A: Living a clandestine existence while commuting back and forth to school may be a bit difficult. Why the need to remain hidden? Is it that you don't want to be bothered, or is it a legal issue (no camping, squatting, etc.)?
B: I'll take a closer look at your list and give it some more thought.
C: I did not do it while going to school, and I did not attempt to remain hidden, but I spent a few months while traveling on a motorcycle just finding a place to pitch a tent and staying for a bit.
As to your question about washing clothing in streams. Please do not do this. If you use detergent, you will be causing harm to the eco system. There are bio degradable detergents available, but since you are planning on being there quite a while, set up a wash tub and board (doesn't have to be big).
Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 02:25 PM
Almost thinking i would be better off just going for it. Was thinking about digging a decent hole and having my fires in there? Also thinking about "gilly suiting" the tent and other items
Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Its a legal issue. One of my main lures to doing this is because i am a biology major and i have a true interest in nature and i want to see how i would be accepted in this enviroment, so i am going to take all costs not to damage and ecosystems or niches. Also think this minor solitude would be life rewarding. Thanks for your continued posts. Whats the reason its being deemed difficult to not be discovered (other than fire)?
doug1980
03-23-2009, 02:30 PM
Just out of curiosity, do you have a "back-up/alternate" plan if this doesn't work out? I'm sure many here would agree that if you have never done this type of thing before you may end up realizing that it...well sucks. What would you do then. You said you could restock on food at school, what kind of food? Out of vending machines, that is not going to sustain you over the summer.
Its a legal issue.
How so? :confused1:
crashdive123
03-23-2009, 02:37 PM
Its a legal issue. One of my main lures to doing this is because i am a biology major and i have a true interest in nature and i want to see how i would be accepted in this enviroment, so i am going to take all costs not to damage and ecosystems or niches. Also think this minor solitude would be life rewarding. Thanks for your continued posts. Whats the reason its being deemed difficult to not be discovered (other than fire)?
As far as the legal issue, why not try and do it legally - that way you won't have the added stress of remaining hidden interfering with your enjoyment of the solitude? Yeah, fire and smoke is kind of a big giveaway. So is somebody traveling to and from a camp. Camouflaging your tent and using a Dakota Pit for your fire - It sounds as though there may be other issues at play here.
doug1980
03-23-2009, 02:38 PM
Its a legal issue. One of my main lures to doing this is because i am a biology major and i have a true interest in nature and i want to see how i would be accepted in this enviroment, so i am going to take all costs not to damage and ecosystems or niches. Also think this minor solitude would be life rewarding. Thanks for your continued posts. Whats the reason its being deemed difficult to not be discovered (other than fire)?
Many reasons. It would be very easy if it were only a few days or if you were constantly moving around. Depending on if people use those woods to hike, camp, explore or whatever. Also the bystanders that could see you enter and exit the woods on a regular basis might give you away as well. Makes it very difficult to stay hidden if people see you heading in there.
Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 03:10 PM
Im limited to my longboard and feet for transportation and no legal sites are close. Actual food from cafeterias i can grab in bulk and store (away from my camp). My camp can be as modest as just a tent, is it still to noticable. I think i would be cool to be "cat like" getting to and from my camp grounds, and i feel confident for the most part i can sneak around w/out being seen. Im more worried about someone stumbling on me. As for saying it "sucked" i was shocked to hear that on this site. I never camped to this degree before but it seems like its crazy fun. I have 3 books to occupy me, along w/ the work from classes i will be attending. There is a backup plan of taking a loan and getting a place but for obvious reasons this is going to be avoided. Is anyone in agreement that this sounds life rewarding? or am i alone on this facet????
crashdive123
03-23-2009, 03:19 PM
You started your first post saying that you wanted to do this because housing was $2,000 and you didn't have it. Since it sounds as though you are not taking a full class load
I would be coming into campus every few days for class so i could shower and stock up on food which is no worry.why not get a job so that you can pay for housing?
doug1980
03-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Im limited to my longboard and feet for transportation and no legal sites are close. Actual food from cafeterias i can grab in bulk and store (away from my camp). My camp can be as modest as just a tent, is it still to noticable. I think i would be cool to be "cat like" getting to and from my camp grounds, and i feel confident for the most part i can sneak around w/out being seen. Im more worried about someone stumbling on me. As for saying it "sucked" i was shocked to hear that on this site. I never camped to this degree before but it seems like its crazy fun. I have 3 books to occupy me, along w/ the work from classes i will be attending. There is a backup plan of taking a loan and getting a place but for obvious reasons this is going to be avoided. Is anyone in agreement that this sounds life rewarding? or am i alone on this facet????
No I agree it would be fun and rewarding. But so many people get this fantasy in their head that living off the land and camping out is going to be so great, but once they do it are shocked to find out how uncomfortable and undesirable it can be. Let us know how you much fun you are having when you are covered with bug bites and wet from a rain storm that lasts 3 days. Not trying to "rain on your parade" but it's no bed of roses. Some live for that stuff and maybe you are one of them, others wouldn't last 2 days. I don't know the area so I couldn't tell you if you will get spotted or not. I know several places that I could do this in and never see a single person.
doug1980
03-23-2009, 03:26 PM
You started your first post saying that you wanted to do this because housing was $2,000 and you didn't have it. Since it sounds as though you are not taking a full class load why not get a job so that you can pay for housing?
I'm with crash on this. Get a summer job to pay for housing, you can still camp out for a week or two to get a feel for what it's like and get that "experience" you're looking for. Then maybe the next year you can do your plan.
If i am not mistaken, Cody Lundin camped for years while going to school.
Revelation1412
03-23-2009, 04:08 PM
I'll tell you what, when you don't have money in your pockets it tends to change your perspective on a lot of things.
Nick - There are a lot of things you need to consider. You'll want build a latrine, a slit trench or something reasonably decent to handle human waste. 3 months is quite a bit of time so cat holes are not going to be a good answer. You'll want to locate it at least 50 feet away from the nearest water source so you don't contaminate your water. I'm thinking about runoff from a hard rain not ground leaching but depending on the soil that could also be a problem I suppose.
What type of water purification have you planned for? I didn't see where you are located so I don't know the quality of the water but you won't want to drink it raw especially if you are downstream from any commercial or farming property or any municipal waste plants.
You don't really say what your skill sets are but your list seems a bit lacking. 1. You have very little in the way of fire making. You need several ways to create fire. The lighter is good but you want to have some backups like a second lighter, fire steel, tinder, etc. 2) A 3 man tent is doable if it's a 2 wall tent. A single wall will probably create a lot of condensation on the inside. Most singles do even when they are fully ventilated. If you can live with that then you'll be okay. It would be nice to toss a wool blanket in there. Walking back in a cold rain after class will keep you cold and miserable throughout the night with nothing more than you listed. At least a wool blanket will give you something reasonably soft to sleep on in the good times and keep you warm in the bad.
3. As I mentioned above, you need to make some serious plans for not only purifying water but some way to store it as well. You'll need no less than 1 gallon a day for drinking and hygiene when you don't have class. DO NOT use milk cartons to store water in. 1L sode bottles are okay.
Finally, I concur with every one else on here. Get permission. If the owner does stumble onto your camp site while you are in class you might find yourself arrested for trespassing and all your belongings confiscated by the owner.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 04:57 PM
Getting a job and affording housing would ruin my plans for living in the woods lol. In other words, housing is a legitimate option but i honestly WANT to live in the woods. I would take an umbrella also, and im thinking of filling a 3L plastic bottle each time i go to campus (perhaps more based on empirical knowledge). I feel that if i got "busted" it wouldn't be the worst charge in the world to have on a transcript, and nothing that cant be talked around. I am surprised there are only a few members who actually think it would be down right fun to live in the woods, i sort of thought that was what this site was all about (no disrespect). The latrine idea is going to be valuable so im guessing ill need a shovel and perhaps a hatchet. None of you mentioned bears (is it rare)? I like the idea of using different entrances/exits. Im excited to see how my body adapts to lifting rocks and hiking miles each day. I want to see if nature starts to accept me, by not startling squirrels/deer ect. I want to be 50 years old and be able to know that i survived in the woods (although not solely) when i "was a kid" (20/21). Isn't it fun to be out in the "wild" and not see any businesses and such??? I think i have my whole life to be an active member of society (im not a loser im at the top of my class and aspire to be an orthodontist/oral surgon) and i feel this is my last chance to do something "crazy" like this. Reassure me im not the only kid who has the urge to go "primative" to some degree. What is the point of knowing all this stuff you guys are telling me without actually trying it. What are your backgrounds, are you all boy scouts (i never was) or have u done what i aspire to do? I ask you to reassure me this is a huge "rasta" experience, not to say the least!
crashdive123
03-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Nick - we can only provide you with answers based on the information that you provide us.
but i honestly WANT to live in the woodsThat's cool, but at least to me, it did not come across that way in your first post.
I feel that if i got "busted" it wouldn't be the worst charge in the world to have on a transcript, and nothing that cant be talked around.Ken may be better able to answer that, but as somebody who read approximately 25 resumes a week and conducted hundereds of job interviews, if I had the choice to hire two candidates of pretty much equal qualifications, the one without a criminal history would probably be my choice.
I am surprised there are only a few members who actually think it would be down right fun to live in the woods, i sort of thought that was what this site was all about (no disrespect). No disrespect taken. Many here have spent a lot of time in the wilderness - hiking, camping, serving in the military - it's just good to go into a venture with your eyes wide open, knowing all of the pluses and minuses.
None of you mentioned bears (is it rare)? Depends on where you are. If your school is the University of Hawaii - Penn State - University of Florida - you can understand that it all makes a difference - you know - location, location, location. Good luck with your adventure.
Sarge47
03-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Yo Jimbo! You talk a lot & expect us all to see things your way...NO way! You post that you're 20/21, that means you're an adult & I'm going to speak to you like one! You don't like the answers don't ask the questions...dig? Since I can't highlight worth a crap like Crash & some others I'm going through your post & putting my responses to certain things that you've said in brackets "[like this ]" with my name in caps, understand? Now let's see what you've written...
Getting a job and affording housing would ruin my plans for living in the woods lol. In other words, housing is a legitimate option but i honestly WANT to live in the woods. I would take an umbrella also, and im thinking of filling a 3L plastic bottle each time i go to campus (perhaps more based on empirical knowledge). I feel that if i got "busted" it wouldn't be the worst charge in the world to have on a transcript, and nothing that cant be talked around.
[SARGE: This will depend on where you live, BTW, Ken is a bona fide lawyer & several other members on here are cops so they're probably already checking your "Cyber-backtrail" to see just who you are & where your from, so you might want to re-think talking about breaking the law on here.]
I am surprised there are only a few members who actually think it would be down right fun to live in the woods, i sort of thought that was what this site was all about (no disrespect).
[SARGE: Ahh, but it WAS disrespectful Jimmy, we DO think it's fun to live in the woods, but not to the extent of showing up on the next episode of "COPS"! Quit merging your points, we're smarter than that!
The latrine idea is going to be valuable so im guessing ill need a shovel and perhaps a hatchet.
[SARGE: Huh? Thought you said you were a Biology Major! You definitely need to learn about "no-trace" camping, otherwise you'll soon be posting Ken for advice on survival of a different type.:innocent:
None of you mentioned bears (is it rare)? I like the idea of using different entrances/exits. Im excited to see how my body adapts to lifting rocks and hiking miles each day. I want to see if nature starts to accept me, by not startling squirrels/deer ect. I want to be 50 years old and be able to know that i survived in the woods (although not solely) when i "was a kid" (20/21). Isn't it fun to be out in the "wild" and not see any businesses and such???
[SARGE: Yes, being out in the woods is fun, the rest of this section is just plain silly. You're coming off as a very inexperienced "Numpty".]
I think i have my whole life to be an active member of society (im not a loser im at the top of my class and aspire to be an orthodontist/oral surgon) and i feel this is my last chance to do something "crazy" like this.
[SARGE: You view this as "crazy? So do I! And, yes, if you ignore the advice given here, you're a loser. Survival is not a game, it's LIFE OR DEATH!!!! Quit frankly I don't know if you'll even see 50!]
Reassure me im not the only kid who has the urge to go "primative" to some degree. What is the point of knowing all this stuff you guys are telling me without actually trying it. What are your backgrounds, are you all boy scouts (i never was) or have u done what i aspire to do? I ask you to reassure me this is a huge "rasta" experience, not to say the least!
[SARGE: "rasta experience" "reassure you"? Okay, now I know you're just putting us on! Say hi to TBWN for us! BTW, I'm moving this post to the "introductions" forum.:cool2:]
gryffynklm
03-23-2009, 05:51 PM
Jimmy, No disrespect taken. If you read the posts and blogs from the guys that have posted. You will see that these guys are experienced wilderness campers. They are at a point in their wilderness experience were it is fun, still challenging but fun because they know by doing.
They are only suggesting that you do it properly which includes getting permission. They are offering questions that are based on reality and on their experience. No one has told you not to do it. They are trying to help you logically think it threw. By the way, when you set your camp, look above you at the trees. Avoid trees that show signs of decay. Fallen limbs can be deadly. Did you think of that one? I'm not trying to tease you but you do need to take the advice from these guys seriously. It isn't like backyard camping I know you know that. You have the option to have a more controlled experience over a wing it experience. These guys are helping you be a camper and not a homeless squatter in private or public lands. You should be able to find the local laws for vagrancy and the homeless. Without permission to do extended camping, You are kind of homeless. No offense. We want you to succeed.
Well ........
In most states, trespassing is a misdemeanor.
Damage the property, something like causing damage to a tree, and you've probably got yourself at least one felony there. Light a fire? Yep, I can envision an arson charge. That's another felony. Use or take anything you find on the property - like wood - and that's a larceny charge. Want me to keep on going?
Get permission from the property owner. Otherwise, most juries and judges probably won't be very sympathetic to you.
Jimmythehat
03-23-2009, 09:03 PM
The falling tree thing i did not know so thank you. I may be coming off as inexperienced because... i am. I know nothing empirically about LIVING in the woods so i think its ok to come off as a "knumpty". Why wont i see 50?? About being a squater, i didnt even know what that was until i looked it up, so im not trying to come off as experienced, im willing to admit im not at all. I guess i was looking for advice on squating though, because i just dont think the permission thing will happen. Ok the arson charge ect is POSSIBLE but is it really plausable because that is too severe for me. Whos TBWN??? I came on this site not denying my inexperience, but rather just hopping i would leave better than i came with the ability to successfully squat for a summer. Im in no way bragging about breaking the law but rather asking you to look past that and give me advice. If you cant look past that aspect of my inquisition im pretty much SOL. Let me know either way. Thanks Guys
Ok the arson charge ect is POSSIBLE but is it really plausable because that is too severe for me.
In my professional experience, the more brazen you are, the more likely you are to be charged with every crime you have possibly committed. So my answer is, "yes, it's plausible."
laughing beetle
03-23-2009, 09:13 PM
If you cannot get permission to camp in the area you are looking at, then do Not do it. You could end up spending your summer semester in jail.
crashdive123
03-23-2009, 09:15 PM
The falling tree thing i did not know so thank you. I may be coming off as inexperienced because... i am. I know nothing empirically about LIVING in the woods so i think its ok to come off as a "knumpty". Why wont i see 50?? About being a squater, i didnt even know what that was until i looked it up, so im not trying to come off as experienced, im willing to admit im not at all. I guess i was looking for advice on squating though, because i just dont think the permission thing will happen. Ok the arson charge ect is POSSIBLE but is it really plausable because that is too severe for me. Whos TBWN??? I came on this site not denying my inexperience, but rather just hopping i would leave better than i came with the ability to successfully squat for a summer. Im in no way bragging about breaking the law but rather asking you to look past that and give me advice. If you cant look past that aspect of my inquisition im pretty much SOL. Let me know either way. Thanks Guys
If you've got questions about camping and all that, search through the existing threads. If you can't find the answers you're looking for, ask away. It's probably unwise in an open forum to ask for advice on how to accomplish something illegal, and even less wise to give advice on how to do it.
Well...i think what you want to do can definitely be an interesting experience...
We do need a little more info though on your general location, since this will affect some of the answers.
As for the law issue...you are an adult.
Sarge47
03-23-2009, 11:39 PM
You're one of three things: A NUMPTY.(idiot), A Tenderfoot,(more likely), or a Troll playing us! (Time will tell). I'm going with the middle one for now, until you prove different. So that means you're here as a "student" & want to learn, right? Ok, sit down, shut up, & listen up! Read my critiques again between each section.
I may be coming off as inexperienced because... i am. I know nothing empirically about LIVING in the woods so i think its ok to come off as a "knumpty".
[SARGE: The term, NUMPTY, is UK for idiot, is that what you want us to think of you?]
Why wont i see 50??
[SARGE: Ever see a sign that reads: "NO TRESPASSING! VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT! SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN!"?]
About being a squater, i didnt even know what that was until i looked it up, so im not trying to come off as experienced, im willing to admit im not at all.
[SARGE: Fine, then pay attention. Members on here have spent their entire lives learning about the outdoors; you cannot realistically expect to aquire the same knowledge in a very short time!]
I guess i was looking for advice on squating though, because i just dont think the permission thing will happen.
[SARGE: So that gives you the right to just go and do whatever you feel like doing? If I found you squatting on my land I'm going to get the book thrown at you!]
Ok the arson charge ect is POSSIBLE but is it really plausable because that is too severe for me.
[SARGE: Read this whole thread, especially Ken's findings towatds the end of it! http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188&highlight=Arson] (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188&highlight=Arson%5D)
Whos TBWN???
[SARGE: Again, read through the whole thread that I'm listing, the two guys in question show up after a ways into it; in the meantime there's some info you're asking about: http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=378&highlight=The+Bare+Wilderness+Numptys] (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=378&highlight=The+Bare+Wilderness+Numptys%5D)
I came on this site not denying my inexperience, but rather just hopping i would leave better than i came with the ability to successfully squat for a summer. Im in no way bragging about breaking the law but rather asking you to look past that and give me advice. If you cant look past that aspect of my inquisition im pretty much SOL. Let me know either way. Thanks Guys
[SARGE: Okay, this is the part that gets my goat! You don't own the land, you don't have permission to even be there, you don't pay the taxes on it, yet you seem to think you have the right to do whatever you want on it? Why? What gives you the right? I hope you get busted, lose your education, & have to flip burgers at McDonald's the rest of your life if this is your attitude! This is the "NUMPTY" part of your post. GET FRIGGIN' PERMISSION!!!":smash::cool2:]
For every action there's a consequence, regarding legal issues I think Remy said it all---you're an adult. Break the law, get busted, accept the consequences, it's your life.
If someone comes on here and says they're going to go spanking off into the bushe of northern Manitoba with nothing but a roll of dental floss and a safety pin, I'm going to tell them how stupid I think they are, but I'm not going to say "don't do it!!" Each of us is responsible for our own behavior. Don't look for someone's blessing here if that's what you want, none of us will have to help you pay fines or sit in a cell with you, so it's irrelevant.
Sarge47
03-24-2009, 12:59 PM
Here's the problem, which I'm sure you haven't figured out yet. 1st, you intend to "Trespass" on someone else's land for a rather lengthy time within the very for-see-able future. 2nd, by your own admission you have little or no experience doing anything like this. 3rd, you will be setting up a semi-permenant camp for this length of time & praying to the almighty that you won't be found out so you can continue your education without paying rent. 4th, you don't see anything wrong with all of this.
Now to burst your bubble. 1st, you've also talked about digging a fire-pit to keep the fire low-profile; however, as soon as you dig the hole you've "destroyed" someone else's property. As soon as you gathered firewood you've commited theft. As soon as you lit your fire you've committed arson. You now have moved over from simple "tresspassing" to "criminal tresspassing". (Please note key-word: "CRIMINAL!") You say you want to have a professional career. This implies criminal background checks, licensing, & such.
2nd, your lack of experience is your worst enemy, there is no way that you can gain "experience" by reading about the subject in question; you have to actually do it. With that in mind I give you a very low rate of success in not being discovered. You will tell others in your college what you are doing & they could blow the whistle on you; the jails are full of naive people who thought they could trust their friends only to tragically find out how wrong they were. What about Deer-hunting? Do people Deer-hunt on that property? They're not too picky at what they shoot at, ask Ken! If they don't shoot you I'm sure they will discover your camp & turn you in. Here where I live we have deer in every wooded area in town, & Bucks have been known to attack humans during the rutting season. Again, you'll be lucky to see age 22, if not 50!
3rd, you made a permanat scar on the land by your callous negligence in setting up your camp, so much for being an "enviremental major." You'll be lucky if the EPA dosen't come after your "Hiney" as well.
4th, doing this on property illegally simply because you didn't get permission is tantamont to stealing your grandmother's purse (or stealing $$ from anybody else) because she/they wouldn't loan you any money. In other words, it's a form of stealing, vandalizing, & felony tresspassing. Worst-case scenario, you will probably wind up in prison with a new boyfriend you don't really care for, or, best-case scenario, have to learn to say: "You want fries with that!"
ps. What about studying? I suggest using a friends house or dorm room as having any kind of light on at night is not a good idea. Think on these things, please!:cool2:
See? That's exactly what happened to me. Exactly. Except the room mate thing. And the meth part. Oh, and trying it. I wouldn't do that. Or stealing. Teeth aren't that great but I do have a good dentist. And I didn't flunk school, either. And I've never shot a cop. Otherwise, it's exactly what happened to me.
Thank you. See that, people? That's what I'm talkin' about. That's exactly how you talk to a Super Moderator. (adding stars beside Remy's name).
SARKY
03-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Have you looked into any KOA sites in the area? Are there any parks in the area that ave camping site available? Look at all your options before you decide to commit a crime. And besides if we had approved and gave you advice on how to accomplish your felonious deeds, wouldn't we be aiding and abetting???
Sarge47
03-25-2009, 08:00 AM
Well, you don't seem to be able to stay "secret" even where you are. You're using a computer at the Penn State Campus (Main Campus). That puts you in Pennsylvania.:cool2:
Hey, I did nothing just like this once! Back in high school I worked at a cannery in Ninilchik, Ak one summer and camped out on the property along with several coworkers (with the owners permission) for a month and a half. Had a small cook fire and gallon jug of water near the tent, just about everything else was provided on the job. It was great fun. Didn't have much trouble with bears, but we did have a lot of moose problems. One guy wouldn't come out of his tent for about three hours one day cause a mad mamma moose was running around the area.
DOGMAN
03-25-2009, 12:12 PM
Just a couple of thoughts...
First- I believe you said the woods are 7.5 miles away from campus, and then in another post you said your only mode of transportation is your feet and backpack.
So, are you prepared to walk 15 miles a day? How many hours a day are you dedicating to walking? Thats going to be a significant part of your life right there.
Next- your a Biology major. Try to get you summer long camping arrangement officialy sanctioned by your department. Call it a field study, or an independent research project. But come up with an angle so that you can approach the land owner and the local authorities with your "project" and get permission to conduct your "research". Then you can have a clear conscious as you go about your business, and maybe even get college credit to boot!
Lastly, don't leave anything at camp your not willing to have stolen. I have lived in permanent camps outside of cities and towns on numerous occassions and I've always had stuff ripped off- it doesn't matter how hidden you think you are- if your near other people someone will rip you off.
Jimmythehat
03-25-2009, 01:05 PM
Thank you (last post), im pretty skillful on a longboard and i dont mind walking/jogging either. I'll let you guys know how everything goes and of course i am going to get permission first or else i would be breaking the law and im 100% against that.
crashdive123
03-25-2009, 01:08 PM
I guess the definition of long board has changed. I'm assuming you mean skateboard and not the 13 foot long surfboard used for large waves.
DOGMAN
03-25-2009, 02:58 PM
Yeah, long skateboards are all the rage around college campuses. they Look to be a fun way to liven up a commute
RangerXanatos
03-25-2009, 03:39 PM
Sounds like quite an adventure, but...
If you are absolutely set into doing this, trying staying in a public park for a week during your current classes. I bet sleeping on the hard ground, not having any REAL meals, and etc will bring you closer to realizing how hard your summer adventure will be. I think that your mental/class capabilities will have declined and not to mention your health. Do you have any idea how it easy it would be for you to get sick while out for MONTHS in the open weather!?
But if that's what you want to do, I would recommend working this summer and saving up your money. Then next summer you could still do it, but if you need to, could afford housing, or motels for a couple of night.
Gray Wolf
03-25-2009, 03:52 PM
i decided to live in the woods this summer.
Was thinking about digging a decent hole and having my fires in there?
Thinking about "gilly suiting" the tent.
Whats the reason its being deemed difficult to not be discovered?
My camp can be as modest as just a tent, is it still to noticable?
i can grab food in bulk and store it.
I never camped to this degree before.
I would take an umbrella.
im thinking of filling a 3L plastic bottle.
is it safe to wash clothes in streams?
The latrine idea is going to be valuable.
so im guessing ill need a shovel and perhaps a hatchet.
Im excited to see how my body adapts to lifting rocks and hiking miles each day.
I may be coming off as inexperienced because... i am.
I know nothing empirically about LIVING in the woods.
i feel this is my last chance to do something "crazy" like this.
Even if you get permission, it probably will be.... :confused1: :helpsmilie: :sad:
Gray Wolf
03-25-2009, 04:05 PM
This may break the record for Intro Replies!
crashdive123
03-25-2009, 04:06 PM
Nah. I think the record is about 118.
Gray Wolf
03-25-2009, 04:19 PM
On Intro's???
crashdive123
03-25-2009, 05:01 PM
This one had 115 http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1794
Jimmythehat
03-25-2009, 05:49 PM
I guess the definition of long board has changed. I'm assuming you mean skateboard and not the 13 foot long surfboard used for large waves.
During the winter months a few kids from California who needed to surf crafted ~10 foot long skateboards to get a similar thrill. The board was called a longboard. It has no changed to ~5 feet, which is the style i own. Bigger wheels too. Made for travel, not for tricks. I know its a survival forum so sorry for the irrelevance.
crashdive123
03-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Not irrelevant. I just wanted to make sure I knew what you were talking about. Who knows - might come in handy some day.
Not irrelevant. I just wanted to make sure I knew what you were talking about. Who knows - might come in handy some day.
That I'd love to see...
Thank you (last post), im pretty skillful on a longboard....
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wildography
03-27-2009, 11:24 AM
All good replies above...
Here is a thread where I went camping in a public park... but just for two nights;
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6260
That has some related info.
For a fire, you might try using a "Dakota Pit" (do a search for that phrase to see how/what). Also, build the fire under a tree to help disperse smoke... and keep any fire small and short-lived... though you might try (as suggested in the thread/link above) a "firebed" - but not in the tent!!! :tongue_smilie: .
Also, vary your entry/exit points; watch for people in "your area" anytime that you are within 1/4 mile of your tent area; use brush/grass/etc to camoflauge your tent location; spend as little "non-sleeping" time as possible around your tent... hang out at the library, in town, etc during your "free time" or find a quiet spot at least 1/4 mile from your tent to hang out; use a laundramat to thoroughly clean your clothes, but use a stream/etc to wash out socks/etc between those times; leave minimal signs of your presence within 1/4 mile of your tent site - be aware of footprints/wood gathering/trash/etc...
hope that helps...
bulrush
03-27-2009, 01:07 PM
Jimmythehat,
It doesn't sound like you have really thought this through. It also doesn't sound like you have ever been to college. College people love to party. That means they like to find remote places, out in the woods, to party and toke a little. This means they will be finding you sometimes, at night.
Now, you said you don't have the money for housing. Do you have money for fines? I can see you breaking several laws: camping on private or public property, trespassing, illegal open fire, illegal sewer (your latrine in the woods), littering (I know you don't intend to litter, but if "da man" finds a single bag of garbage, he can call it litter).
You don't have money for fines? Oh well. Will a little jail time ruin your resume?
Whats up guys, just stumbled onto this site so ill give you the quick scoop. I decided to spend this coming summer taking courses at my college. I realized that housing would cost me $2,000. This is about $2,000 more than I have and to my luck my campus has woods close by (7 1/2 miles?). In the past i would always enjoy going hiking in the woods and i decided to live in the woods this summer. I would be coming into campus every few days for class so i could shower and stock up on food which is no worry. I scouted out where im going to live this summer but it isn't as secluded as i though. At best i can manage about a mile between me and a house. As this semester is widiling down i am trying to make sure i have everything planned. I have a nice 3 man tent, survival knife, bear mace, radio, fishing supplies, lighter, ziplock bags, bug spray, ect. A few questions for you guys would be A) How to live in the woods w/out people finding me (any serious suggestions would be apprectiated) B) what crucial items may i forget C) has anyone on this forum ever done such a thing? Also is it safe to wash clothes in streams? As you can tell im new to the ropes of actually surviving in the wild but my motivation is strong. Any help is most Appreciated. -Nick-
This is unlikely to work for you for any extended period of time. People, especially kids, have a tendency to roam in any woods near a population center. I often get calls about this sort of thing, and if there's any appreciably damage to flora - or clean up costs - charges are sometimes preferred.
bulrush
03-27-2009, 01:26 PM
Im in no way bragging about breaking the law but rather asking you to look past that and give me advice. If you cant look past that aspect of my inquisition im pretty much SOL.
We are adults here and adults do not ignore the law like you just asked us to above. You asked for our advice: don't break the law, and get some more experience before you "camp" for a whole summer.
We're not saying don't do it. We're just trying to keep you out of jail, or from seriously harming yourself with giardia, food poisoning (how will you keep opened food cold?), falling branches, forest fires, and drunk college students wandering through your camp.
This link will give you SOME survival hints, like starting a fire, using tinder, building a fire, and water purification.
http://www.geocities.com/csroberts/survival.htm
As a person who has had giardia, it is something I will never ever forget. 4 weeks of never-ending gawd-awful squirts.
"Ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod...again???? WTH? Please god, make it end, please please please..."
wildography
03-27-2009, 01:46 PM
again, all good posts, and advice above...
however, we were all young once, and I know that many of us have done things that we managed to survive but ended up saying, "boy, that was really stupid".
(With a few notable exceptions from a few notable "liars" - grin! :innocent: )
that's part of growing up... is doing things that cause us to learn, and to grow... and to hope that "the good Lord protects us when we are idiots".
so... bottom line is... if you're gonna do something "stupid", at least try to prepare yourself so that you can "live through" the "lesson" with minimal impact on your future life.
One of the "criteria" that I used to use when I did "stupid" things in Yosemite - like "free-solo" rock climbing - was:
"if I make a mistake, and SAR (Yosemite search & rescue) has to come get me"... then, I wouldn't do it. So, I did some things, and went some places, in Yosemite that some people would call "stupid", but because I prepared, and trained, and practiced my criteria of "SAR not coming to get me", SAR never had to... and I learned some very valuable lessons...
Beans
03-27-2009, 01:57 PM
What are your backgrounds, are you all boy scouts (i never was) or have u done what i aspire to do?
What A bold statement by some one who is asking for advice and don't know anyone on this site. (being polite).
Unless I am mistaken, there are members on this forum that have experiences that would send most whinny butts back to thier dorm room or home for some mother comfort. Some of the adventuresd were planned before hand, some not, some caused by nature. some cause by other humans. They must have survived or they wouldn't be posting/sharing thier knowledge.
Next- your a Biology major. Try to get you summer long camping arrangement officialy sanctioned by your department. Call it a field study, or an independent research project. But come up with an angle so that you can approach the land owner and the local authorities with your "project" and get permission to conduct your "research". Then you can have a clear conscious as you go about your business, and maybe even get college credit to boot!
Good Point Jason.
Maybe he could write a term/thesis paper or even get it published based upon his learned experience. If he is going for a Masters or PHD it could make the difference.
As a person who has had giardia, it is something I will never ever forget. 4 weeks of never-ending gawd-awful squirts.
"Ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod...again???? WTH? Please god, make it end, please please please..."
If you were still in the bush, the only suggestion I could offer would be take a knife and cut/rip the whole *** out of your pants because you won't have time to pull them down :smartass: :airhorn: :gagged:
Getting a job and affording housing would ruin my plans for living in the woods lol. In other words, housing is a legitimate option but i honestly WANT to live in the woods. I would take an umbrella also, and im thinking of filling a 3L plastic bottle each time i go to campus (perhaps more based on empirical knowledge). I feel that if i got "busted" it wouldn't be the worst charge in the world to have on a transcript, and nothing that cant be talked around. I am surprised there are only a few members who actually think it would be down right fun to live in the woods, i sort of thought that was what this site was all about (no disrespect). The latrine idea is going to be valuable so im guessing ill need a shovel and perhaps a hatchet. None of you mentioned bears (is it rare)? I like the idea of using different entrances/exits. Im excited to see how my body adapts to lifting rocks and hiking miles each day. I want to see if nature starts to accept me, by not startling squirrels/deer ect. I want to be 50 years old and be able to know that i survived in the woods (although not solely) when i "was a kid" (20/21). Isn't it fun to be out in the "wild" and not see any businesses and such??? I think i have my whole life to be an active member of society (im not a loser im at the top of my class and aspire to be an orthodontist/oral surgon) and i feel this is my last chance to do something "crazy" like this. Reassure me im not the only kid who has the urge to go "primative" to some degree. What is the point of knowing all this stuff you guys are telling me without actually trying it. What are your backgrounds, are you all boy scouts (i never was) or have u done what i aspire to do? I ask you to reassure me this is a huge "rasta" experience, not to say the least!
Living alone in the wilderness is one thing. Trying to live in a town woods without anyone coming across you for months on end - is something else altogether. If you want an interesting experience while going to college - try living as a city homeless person. Learn about dumpster diving and sleeping and eating at missions.
Sarge47
03-27-2009, 08:16 PM
...the guy lives in Pennsylvania where the winters are at sub-zero most of the time. Can you spell Hypothermia? Frostbite? Chris McCandless aka Alexander Supertramp?:cool2:
Sarge47
03-27-2009, 11:14 PM
I believe it's just for the summer Sarge.
NOOO!!! Not the summer! that's when the ZOMBIES come out!!!!:drool::drool::drool::drool:
Hey! What's with that? Fluffy Pink Bunnies!!!!!!!
Jimmythehat
03-28-2009, 10:15 AM
Hey guys! I seem to be getting alot of hatred from some of the more experienced memebers on the site. I find this humorous and was thinking that upon revealing my inexperience i would be offered help on the whole (thank you for those members who did help me, i value your advice). Now sarge i know your very cunning an will say you are helping me to because im "dead" or "arrested" if I attempt this (which may be a legitamate point). I just wanted to thank you guys for your time posting to help me out, even if it was in a condescending manner. Bad news however. I visited my advisor yesterday who informed me I need many more (ex. any) extracurricular activities to be seriously considered into a dental school. I still consider this BS as im rocking a 3.91 right now in a legit predental major, but i think its stupid to not take her advice. I need to get a job, shadow a dentist, double up on course load, and research w/ my teacher this summer. Juggling all this will make primitive lifestyle difficult for now. Believe me though, i was not "scared" out of this adventure. Diarrhea and needing to sneak around were my two favorite aspects from the start! I am going to live w/ my girl on campus this summer, but I am definatly going to "camp" over weekends and when my schedule allows. This next summer ('10) I will then have to go "balls deep" in my passion, and i feel (like you said) a weekend here and there this summer will prep me adequately for such a journey. I never was intending to be insulting when i asked if you were all previously boy scouts and i was shocked to hear some members thought i was coming off as cocky. This wasn't my goal or true at all. Again, other than going on day hikes w/ my friend I was unaware of this subculture. The only idea I was able to come up with was that boy scouts would be into this type of website, which is why i came to the conclusion. Member from Colorado (forget your user name) thanks alot. I think we see eye to eye on this whim i am having (somewhat). I think it is a learning experience and again one of the biggest reasons i am going to end up doing this in life (the illegality is not an allure, a legal camp would give me the same satisfaction) is so i can sit back when im older and think of the previous members of our species who were so successful at wilderness survival that we evolved enough to create/understand treatments for cancers ect. I feel it would be rewarding to have experienced what they did, however small scale it may be. I have the odd belief that its the least i can do to "pay respect" to my roots, and then move on and hopefully become very successful in today's society correcting smiles and the like. Hope all of you stay safe when "surviving" in the wilderness. You will hear back from me with updates of how weekend trips turned out, and your sure to hear how the actual expedition goes in a year. Hope all of you are enjoying your lives to the fullest and are motivated and blessed enough to tackle every goal you've ever set in life. All the Best -Nick-
Why do I hear Queen playing in the background?
Seriously? You have a girl friend. You had the opportunity to stay with her from the beginning and you chose to tramp in the woods. Right. Excuse me while I go reset the drag on my reel.
Sarge47
03-28-2009, 10:44 AM
Hey guys! I seem to be getting alot of hatred from some of the more experienced memebers on the site. I find this humorous and was thinking that upon revealing my inexperience i would be offered help on the whole (thank you for those members who did help me, i value your advice). Now sarge i know your very cunning an will say you are helping me to because im "dead" or "arrested" if I attempt this (which may be a legitamate point). I just wanted to thank you guys for your time posting to help me out, even if it was in a condescending manner. Bad news however. I visited my advisor yesterday who informed me I need many more (ex. any) extracurricular activities to be seriously considered into a dental school. I still consider this BS as im rocking a 3.91 right now in a legit predental major, but i think its stupid to not take her advice. I need to get a job, shadow a dentist, double up on course load, and research w/ my teacher this summer. Juggling all this will make primitive lifestyle difficult for now. Believe me though, i was not "scared" out of this adventure. Diarrhea and needing to sneak around were my two favorite aspects from the start! I am going to live w/ my girl on campus this summer, but I am definatly going to "camp" over weekends and when my schedule allows. This next summer ('10) I will then have to go "balls deep" in my passion, and i feel (like you said) a weekend here and there this summer will prep me adequately for such a journey. I never was intending to be insulting when i asked if you were all previously boy scouts and i was shocked to hear some members thought i was coming off as cocky. This wasn't my goal or true at all. Again, other than going on day hikes w/ my friend I was unaware of this subculture. The only idea I was able to come up with was that boy scouts would be into this type of website, which is why i came to the conclusion. Member from Colorado (forget your user name) thanks alot. I think we see eye to eye on this whim i am having (somewhat). I think it is a learning experience and again one of the biggest reasons i am going to end up doing this in life (the illegality is not an allure, a legal camp would give me the same satisfaction) is so i can sit back when im older and think of the previous members of our species who were so successful at wilderness survival that we evolved enough to create/understand treatments for cancers ect. I feel it would be rewarding to have experienced what they did, however small scale it may be. I have the odd belief that its the least i can do to "pay respect" to my roots, and then move on and hopefully become very successful in today's society correcting smiles and the like. Hope all of you stay safe when "surviving" in the wilderness. You will hear back from me with updates of how weekend trips turned out, and your sure to hear how the actual expedition goes in a year. Hope all of you are enjoying your lives to the fullest and are motivated and blessed enough to tackle every goal you've ever set in life. All the Best -Nick-This is by far the most intelligent, wisest, mature, responsible post I've read from you as of late. A lot of people confuse the 2 terms: ""Survival" & "Camping". They do NOT mean the same thing untill your camping trip goes south! By gaining experience in the outdoors you should achieve your goal of getting in tune with nature. Might I suggest finding an "outdoors group" of sorts in your area? It may take some work & research, but in the end what you learn will be of great benifit. Please don't confuse my previous concern for your safety & well-being as coming off as a "smart-azz". Such was not my intent. However I DO speak bluntly & honestly about what's on my mind so you'll know exactly where I stand. I, for one, did not take offense at your "Boy Scout" comment, but rather, was alarmed at what you were going to attempt to do with your total lack of experience. To me it would be like going into brain surgery with the surgeon being a high school senior who had just completed a semester of a "Health Class". I don't think that you were "scared out of it", either, you were just displaying wisdom, & that's nothing to be ashamed of. BTW, did you ever read "Into The Wild" by Jon Krakour? Great reading! Please feel free to browse the sticky on "Survival Books" as well as what's posted on the Blogs. Great prepatory study!:cool2:
catfish10101
03-28-2009, 12:25 PM
It's not hatred, it's simple fact. These guys live their lives under the main rule of RESPECT!! Respect for the land, respect for the animals, respect for the other man (this includes not tresspassing on their land). It is an insult to ask in this forum for help to disrespect the landowner. Don't be supprised if you get called out on it. All they were doing was trying to get you to go about it the right way (getting permission before squatting on someone's land). These guys will not sugarcoat anything for anyone, especially if what you are doing is WRONG!!!
Now you can hate me too!! :bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling: :flare::flare::flare::flare::flare::flare:
crashdive123
03-28-2009, 12:41 PM
So Nick.....the story about not having the money to stay on campus was forcing you to consider living in a clandestine fashion in the woods
Jimmythehat said: I realized that housing would cost me $2,000. This is about $2,000 more than I have and to my luck my campus has woods close by (7 1/2 miles?). was what?
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On a serious note. Good luck.
bulrush
03-30-2009, 01:09 PM
Don't get us wrong, we're not against you learning and getting a few bumps and bruises. But I personally draw the line at learning while losing a limb, or losing a life, or breaking the law.
bulrush
03-30-2009, 01:11 PM
NOOO!!! Not the summer! that's when the ZOMBIES come out!!!!:drool::drool::drool::drool:
Are you referring to the freshmen that can't hold their liquor? :winkiss:
Gray Wolf
03-31-2009, 11:51 PM
This one had 115 http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1794
Yes, but easily 60 posts were off topic...
Alpine_Sapper
04-01-2009, 12:08 AM
Yes, but easily 60 posts were off topic...
There's a topic? :confused:
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