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No doubt in my mind, that the main factor related to survival is stress.
Stress comes in many forms, and affects us in many different ways...
Aw man. I lose an hour of sleep. Now, that's stress!
Well...what will you do to minimize, or eliminate this stress ?
Sleep is, can be, a great equalizer.
It does not pull back on the spring for you, but rather "forces" the stress to gently let go of its end...for a moment.
Now I have something else to ponder. Yet, more stress. Would you stop it?
crashdive123
03-07-2009, 05:12 PM
The only stess with the time change tomorrow is that I have an early tee time.
I am not sure i want to...
Ah...interesting answer, even if it is a joke...men often turn to the sky and ask this very question, when faced with relentless stress. As if stress was...personal.
Stress manifests itself in our bodies through two main hormones...cortisol, and nor-epinephrine or commonly called in the US adrenaline.
No matter what the nature of the stress is, it will always be those two hormones at play.
Adrenaline increases the heart rate and elevates the blood pressure in order to boost energy supplies. Basically, it burns energy like there is no tomorrow...pun intended.
Cortisol is the primary stress hormone, and its primary role is to increase sugars in the bloodstream...(see our discussion on "taboo foods", and the role of glucose since birth). Cortisol also by-passes functions that are nonessential in a fight or flight situation...like the digestive system and the reproductive system.
A short exposure to stress will make this system very efficient, giving us extra strength and heightened senses when needed...but long term exposure to stress can be devastating.
Today, stress is mostly present within two realms...lack of control, and lack of predictability...both are corner stones of survival situations.
Most likely, in a survival situation, we loose control, and cannot predict what is in store for us. This, makes stress a permanent tenant within ourselves.
We can see here the relationship between food and stress...since hunger is a stressor, and stress burns energy !!! This might make us re-think the rule of 3...which states that we can survive for 3 weeks without food. Maybe it is true in non-stressful situations, but under stress, and with stress hormones working non-stop and burning precious energy, i would think that this number (3 weeks), would drop dramatically.
I feel that preparations (any form of preparations), are in essence a way to "buy us some time", by reducing the impact of stress on our psyche and our physiology. Each realm pertaining to survival we have prepared for, will be one less stress factor. Having a spare tire in the car, is a way to not have to bathe in stress hormones over a possible flat tire.
Nowadays, stress is an intricate part of our lives...jobs, finances, shaky economy, social interactions, physical problems (most caused by stress), family problems, dreams, hopes, and so on are all major stressors because they share a common make up...they are all unpredictable, and none of them can fully be controlled.
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SARKY
03-08-2009, 03:32 PM
So Remy (in a fake Austrian accent) please lie down on this couch and tell what is stressing you.
Well...it depends on the day.
If you are asking about daily life...it ranges from the individual blocking the supermarket isle with a shopping cart, to my neighbors having a shouting dispute at 2AM...or my in-laws having problems, or the uncertainties of our economy.
But in general, i would say that most of my stress comes from my own doing. I have extremely high expectations when it comes to my own life...and my introverted nature gets in the way sometimes.
Out and about, in the desert, is where my stress level goes way down. I am able to relax, and quite often find it easier to deal with stressors without the clutter of my city life.
Since the age of 5, i always wanted to be a shepherd...for 20+ years it was what i wanted to do...dogs, sheep...some bread and cheese and the sky. I think it was a metaphor.
You ?
Since the age of 5, i always wanted to be a shepherd...for 20+ years it was what i wanted to do...dogs, sheep...
I'll just keep my mouth shut and stay away from this thread. :lol:
...here come the sheep jokes.
Why post to say you are keeping your mouth shut ?
Ole WV Coot
03-08-2009, 08:37 PM
To each his own as the farmer said when he kissed his pig. I don't know any sheep jokes but I have heard of sheep boots and lonely shepherds relaxing in the desert. I would never comment on a man's choice of booze, women or domestic livestock. It just ain't in my nature to be critical. Reminds me of an old story about a missionary in Africa. The native chief told him he could stay with his tribe but he would be killed if he "bothered" the women. Well, one of the chief's daughters had a child and it was almost white. The chief grabbed his spear and came after the missionary kinda mad. The missionary tried to explain how this could happen genetically. The chief didn't understand and before he killed the missionary. The missionary being a quick thinker pointed to a couple of dozen sheep and told the chief, "See all the sheep are white, but you have one black sheep among them." Chief looked around then whispered to the missionary, " If you don't tell, I won't" whatever that means. Blame Ken, he just wanted to know.
Are we still talking about stress ?
klkak
03-09-2009, 03:33 PM
Are we still talking about stress ?
Nope, now we're talking about your attraction to "dogs and sheep".
Nope, now we're talking about your attraction to "dogs and sheep".
I think that he thinks that WE are the sheep. :nono:
Really ?
You guys are that base huh ?
Really ?
You guys are that base huh ?
No. We are that astute.
loollll
Astute ?
You astute ?
hahahahahahahahahaha
That's the 110 IQ speaking again.
loollll
Astute ?
You astute ?
hahahahahahahahahaha
That's the 110 IQ speaking again.
I already challenged you on the I.Q. issue, Remy. You ignored the challenge, remember? Put up or shut up, REMY!
crashdive123
03-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Let it go - please. Play nice.
Ole WV Coot
03-09-2009, 06:49 PM
I simply stated that people have different methods to relieve stress. If you like to stand on your head and gargle peanut butter I could care less. I give a simple example(with my hand in the air) and get blamed for trying to make light of what seems to be a serious situation to some. First I would bring back things I didn't steal and relieve the stress of possibly being caught and having a "bunk buddy". Thinking will make your head hurt, thus a high IQ is hazardous to your health, especially highly trained people who analyze others. IQ without the common sense that God gave a goose is useless and by this discussion being intimate with the creature of your choice will lower stress and relieve that pressure. I don't judge, merely use logic and advise with common sense for instance if you teach kindergarten you may act childish, if you analyze mentally unstable people constantly it is only common sense that you will pick up their idiocincricies. Nothing fancy, just simple logic.
wareagle69
03-09-2009, 07:15 PM
stress is hard to prepare for.certain people such as law enforcement and military and emergency room personell have grown used to it and been trained to adapt to it. I am trying a new experiment 60 days straight w/o a day off 12 hour days plus still trying to run the homestead, that puts the body under physical stress and an emotional toll day 23 and having a blast. i like watching well trained folks react, i also like watching how folks react here, my opinion is that most of you would fail miserably, maybe me too.
Coot,
No one is blaming you...nor did anyone blame ken.
Ken,
I ignored your IQ challenge, because IQ tests are not for adults, and they take well over 2 hours to take. But you wouldn't know that would you...you probably take IQ tests on-line...getting over inflated scores in 30 minutes.
I now feel i was extremely generous with you, when i gave you a 110...anyways...talk about stress, or let it go.
WE,
How did this challenge/experiment come about ?
Beans
03-09-2009, 08:16 PM
A new ARMY 2nd Lt was assigned to a FFB in Iraq. Upon arrival he located the 1st Sgt and ordered him to give him a tour of the Forward firebase. The 1st Sgt gave the 2nd Lt a tour of the base but wouldn’t take him to grove of palm trees at the edge of the base.
After the 2nd Lt ordered the First Sgt to take him there and threaten him with an article 15, did the 1st Sgt give in. Upon entering the palm grove the 2nd Lt noticed a camel tied there,
After some severe questioning and more threats the 1st Sgt relented and answered the 2nd Lt.
“Sir, were quite a ways from town and when the troops get stressed they come out and get the camel….”
The 2nd Lt stopped the 1st Sgt from saying anything further and stated I don’t need to know anymore and I don’t want to hear anything about the camel.
About 5 months later the now 1st Lt called the 1st Sgt into his tent. “ Top, I am stressed out to the max. I am going to walk to the palm grove and you will keep everyone from coming near it until I tell you.
About 30 minutes later the 1st Lt walked into the 1st Sgt tent smelling like an old goat.
the 1st Lt remarked "Ok, Top I am finished at the palm grove."
The Top chuckled and told the Lt. “Sir, I am not sure what you did in the palm grove and I don’t want to know, but when the troops get stressed. They go to the palm grove, get the camel and ride it to town to let off steam.
The next day the 1st Lt requested a transfer
The base line is that we all handle stress in our own way. I am USMC Ret, I have been an LEO and was a state investigator for over 26 years, and on my 3rd and last wife. I am retired, no more stress The only thing I learned about stress is that other people around you are more aware of your stress then you are.
I am ok, because I think I am ok is falsehood
Great! Now I've got something else to worry about. I thought I was okay. I'm starting to get stressed out. Thanks a lot!
Gray Wolf
03-12-2009, 01:41 AM
Let it go - please. Play nice.
Yes, Let's please remember:
One man's sheep is another mans Prom date...
Hey Coot! You've actually stolen stuff?:eek: I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you. I've never stolen anything. When I die they can come get it all. That way I just borrowed stuff for a bit.
bulrush
03-12-2009, 09:01 AM
my opinion is that most of you would fail miserably, maybe me too.
Do you really think most of us on this forum would do poorly in a survival situation? I think most of us would do quite well. Not perfectly, but we would survive. IMO the majority here are not your typical American mall-rat, sheltered, cream puffs, but experienced people who know how to do more with less, and have been through frequent stress, on purpose or not.
I actually do quite well under most stress, and I do even better if I'm camping or outdoors. Being outside helps relax me.
Please don't include me in the group that would face real panic if their cell phone battery died or their LL Bean jacket got a smudge of dirt on it. I would be insulted because I've worked hard and sacrificed a lot to get where I am.
I know what I know, but I also know there are things I don't know. The bottom line is, if I can deal with the stress, I can get by, improvise, and learn as I go.
I don't do stress. I really don't. There isn't very much that bothers me. I own my emotions so I seldom get mad or even have a reason to. A situation is a situation. I just figure out what the best answer is and employ it. If it doesn't work then go to plan B. But if you're able to adjust to scenarios then stress really doesn't have to be a CONSTANT player.
When my parents were sick and dying...that was stress. When my granddaughter was in the hospital in the neonatal unit, that was stress. I'll reserve stress for those things I simply have no control over. For the rest of the stuff, I'll spend my time working on the answer and moving ahead.
I'll reserve stress for those things I simply have no control over. For the rest of the stuff, I'll spend my time working on the answer and moving ahead.
Yep, I agree.
It's kinda' like this: I never gotten stressed rappelling down a cliff face, diving at night, or racing my car down an empty highway.
BUT! Put me on a rickety amusement park roller coaster, knowing that the operator is stoned or has an almost empty bottle in his back pocket, and I'm stressed. I deal with this by avoiding such rides.
I've never flown a plane. I almost always feel safe flying, but I feel even safer in a 4 seater as compared to a jumbo, because I can at least reach the contols if the pilot had a heart attack or whatever. It makes no sense at all because I can't fly either one, but that's just the way it is. I'd rather crash under my own control than someone else's.
gryffynklm
03-12-2009, 10:35 AM
Stress? You made me think! At least contrast how I react to stress. For me I think I deal with stress well. I can think and solve problems on the fly, And feel calmer in the process of sorting out a problem. If I am unable to work on a situation that causes me stress, I feel it.
Daughter in the hospital for ovarian cancer at 15, yes, I was stressed. I consider myself a "fixer" I couldn't fix my daughter or my parents when they were in poor health. That was stress that didn't go away until, in this case doctors resolved the issues.
Right now I'm stresses about the housing market. I am getting my house ready for sale so I can clear debt. Working on the house releases the stress. When the house is on the market, the stress will be gone because I have done all I can.
Of course this has little to do with survival. I'm dealing with that stress by researching, learning, learning from others, stocking up, equipping BOB and other kits. This site has confirmed the things I have read and began preparations on and has greatly lengthened my must do and to do list. Thanks a lot every one.:thumbup1:
As for the stress when TSHTF and TEOTWAWKI, I hope I will have done enough. Ill just keep working.
Lots to learn and do!
grundle
03-12-2009, 11:07 AM
I suffer from a condition resulting in a marked lack of stress. I believe it is called apathy that presents most generally in the form of procrastination. It takes a hurculean effort for me to get worked up enough to do something.
I suppose stress would be a godsend to me if it could make me do more. I think someone said they would reserve stress for things they couldn't control. I pretty much look at it that way too.
Yes...the word that keeps coming up on almost all of your posts is "control".
Loosing control = stress.
We could say, that what we do in regards to survival preparations, is to try to have the most amount of control for certain events that represent lack, or loss of control.
Therefore, ironically, we work at reducing potential stressors, before they even appear...sometimes even bypassing or changing our life styles.
For example, "I don't fly" and "i don't trust people", or the infamous "i am a loner", are constant players...rooted in control...or fear of loosing or lacking control over an array of situations.
The key factor is that stress manifests itself when we can't control events, circumstances, or people, when the occurrence, existence, or actions of those events, circumstances, or people, as the case may be, may potentially have, or have actually had, a negative effect on us.
Yes, it's all about control. Control over our own condition and destiny. Why else be stressed?
wareagle69
03-12-2009, 12:15 PM
Coot,
No one is blaming you...nor did anyone blame ken.
Ken,
I ignored your IQ challenge, because IQ tests are not for adults, and they take well over 2 hours to take. But you wouldn't know that would you...you probably take IQ tests on-line...getting over inflated scores in 30 minutes.
I now feel i was extremely generous with you, when i gave you a 110...anyways...talk about stress, or let it go.
WE,
How did this challenge/experiment come about ?
came about by chance lots of overtime and i have goals, so i decided to keep going and try to do the farm chores as well. half way thru i have failed 25 days into i had to play hooky today to catch up on my farm chores, then hopefully i can continue the next 25 day run
bulrush
you included yourself in this. i stated most would fail not all, so ......all i am saying is that even though we train in our skills when you have family involved and you are trying to feel and make them secure and the stress that they are going thru comes into your mind, it can wreak havoc on a person. In the bush i am sure all of us would do well, but consider day after day after day of working to procure food, water , safety, 3 days w/o food and see what happens, all i am saying is that everyone has a breaking point, you took it upon yourself to already see my post as a hostile accusation, so you can see that in my eyes where does that leave you in a real time scenario
No matter what your definition of SHTF is or how well you plan for it the event doesn't know your plan so it can't follow it. Sort of the old adage the enemy never follows your plan. In any case, no matter how or what you plan things will go very very wrong. Expect it. All you can do is the best you can do and then adapt accordingly.
Control what you can, influence what you can't control and ingore anything you can't control or influence.
Beans
03-12-2009, 01:35 PM
IMHO functioning under stress in a matter of training and mental conditioning.
Functioning under stress is not relieving stress and in the long run you are going to need to know how to relieve stress.
I guess that's the point.
Dennis K.
03-13-2009, 12:31 PM
The only thing I learned about stress is that other people around you are more aware of your stress then you are.
I am ok, because I think I am ok is falsehood
IMHO functioning under stress in a matter of training and mental conditioning.
Functioning under stress is not relieving stress and in the long run you are going to need to know how to relieve stress.
Dead on accurate. Sounds like you've lived under combat stress or perhaps dealt with PTSD.
Stress can wreck relationships, even when that is not your intent.
Extended periods of stress are debilitating. Sleep disorders, depression, relationship issues, health issues such as acne, hair loss, chronic pain, heart problems - all common.
Stress is not something that just goes away when the problem is solved. It takes time, rest, and an honest assessment of your situation.
One of the ways you know you've "dealt with" the stress, is if the event no longer has an emotional hold on you - that is, if you can think about and/or discuss it, and not "get all worked up."
Dennis K.
03-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Some good points, Remy. But, the stress I refer to is not physical stress, like putting your arm in the air or a baby being hungry.
What I refer to is long-term, emotional stress - such as combat fatigue, living in fear (such as with an abuse survivor), living in constant pain, being bullied, isolation, lack of both loving and being loved.
Those types of things don't just go away once the problem is solved. Ask any vet who dives for cover when a car backfires, or a band nerd that was routinely beat up by a coupla jocks, or an adult who was severely beaten as a child. Those scars last, those physical scars are healed long before they are released from the emotions.
As far as "not having emotions to be free of stress," that creates it's own problems, and is quite well summed up by various anti-social disorders, the most extreme of which would be serial killers. That is a far cry from someone who temporarily suppresses his or her emotions, as, say, a combat soldier would do.
Same stress Dennis...we just do not want to see it that way.
As far as serial killers not having emotions...i actually think, it is quiet the opposite.
Norse&Native
03-17-2009, 05:39 AM
I already challenged you on the I.Q. issue, Remy. You ignored the challenge, remember? Put up or shut up, REMY!
I'm going to need you to go ahead and fill out an express written consent form to use my "Put up or shut up" line. Fax it to me and I'll have my lawyer review it and get back to you with details of use, marketing exclusions and royalty information.
Thanks!
Norse&Native
03-17-2009, 05:43 AM
What stresses me out is feeling like I'm waiting for the proverbial "other shoe" to drop. I'm constantly preparing, reading, practicing, thinking about when the S H's the F. But it's given me an overall sense of doom and dread, where I weigh everything in my life against the end of the world, and realize how unimportant a lot of things are. It's become incredibly difficult to function "normally", i.e. kick back and watch t.v., listen to music, etc. All I'm concerned about is protecting family and surviving. It also separates me from "Friends" that I know, because all of their activities and hobbies seem so pointless. I feel like I want to grab them and tell them "NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR F'ING RECORD COLLECTION!!! DON"T YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!? GOOD GOD MAN!!!" *face slap*
If you are so busy worrying about protecting life that you can't enjoy life, what's the point? Isn't the whole deal all about grabbing your kids, giving them a hug, telling them you love them, then say, "Let's go play?"
It's one thing to be prepared. That's why you buy insurance, smoke detectors, fire extinguishers and make some preparations should you have to leave on short notice (The WHOLE point of a BOB is to make your stay someplace else more comfortable).
It's quite another thing to buy into all the gloom and doom of those making money to tell you how bad it is. After all, if you really believe the world is going to end, you're going to buy their survival products. The fact is, you won't die until it's your time. Not even a doctor can kill you if it isn't your time.:whistling:
Wouldn't it be a terrible thing to wake up one morning to find you are 80 years old, your wife left because she got tired of all the survival stuff and your kids don't know you because you never spent time with them? Of course, on the plus side, you'll have a year's worth of food stock piled.
Lighten up. Enjoy your life. Control what you can and forget about the rest of it.
Alpine_Sapper
03-17-2009, 07:29 AM
What stresses me out is feeling like I'm waiting for the proverbial "other shoe" to drop. I'm constantly preparing, reading, practicing, thinking about when the S H's the F. But it's given me an overall sense of doom and dread, where I weigh everything in my life against the end of the world, and realize how unimportant a lot of things are. It's become incredibly difficult to function "normally", i.e. kick back and watch t.v., listen to music, etc. All I'm concerned about is protecting family and surviving. It also separates me from "Friends" that I know, because all of their activities and hobbies seem so pointless. I feel like I want to grab them and tell them "NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR F'ING RECORD COLLECTION!!! DON"T YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!? GOOD GOD MAN!!!" *face slap*
I agree with Rick. This much of a focus on survival can be hazardous to your health and well-being. In addition, it oozes OCD, and speaks of a lack of control in other areas of your life so you focus more and more on what you CAN control. You see this same type of control issue in anorexic adolescent girls. As for the hobbies, heh, they probably look at your hobbie as pointless too, thinking that your wasting your time. While survivalists are definitely a different breed there is most certainly a balance you must find to avoid becoming the paranoid bug-eyed freak with an sks in a steam tunnel eating surplus C-RAT's because you *suspect* something may happen in 2012.
I don't mind you calling me a bug-eyed freak but the steam IS starting to affect my laptop.
bulrush
03-17-2009, 12:31 PM
Remy, I read in the news that a new hormone was discovered, it's called "doofusal". Some people have more of it than others.
:)
bulrush
03-17-2009, 12:38 PM
I agree with Rick, because he's cool, and good-looking, and...
No really. I prepare as much as I can, I change the things I can change, and don't let the things I cannot change bother me. And sometimes I drink heavily. :)
No, I don't think the world/society/civilization will end. I think things will get more difficult in 2009 with more job losses, more pyramid schemes tumbling down. But things will eventually get sorta repaired. Hopefully the greedy, dishonest people in power will be gone. And I am not referring just to politicians. You know the bankers caused most of the current problems.
crashdive123
03-17-2009, 12:48 PM
You know the bankers caused most of the current problems.
I disagree. IMO the root cause (there were several contributing factors) is poitical in nature, so I won't elaborate due to forum rules.
Norse&Native
03-17-2009, 12:54 PM
To Rick and Alpine Sapper:
Thank you for the perspective. What you have to say definitely makes sense, and I know it's true. I do feel a lack of control in a lot of areas in my life and it manifests in survival preparedness. I gotta relax, man.
Feeling like you are not in control is high on the list of things that can really cause us stress. Survival planning is something you can do and a way of putting yourself in control of a situation. You are probably pretty confident about your skills, you know what direction you want to take and you are moving along that path. Makes perfect sense.
You can put yourself in control in other areas of your life as well by establishing what goals you want to obtain. Both short term and long term.
Establish goals that are simple and attainable to begin with. You need to write them down to make them real then develop a plan to reach those goals. Set aside time to work on your goals and celebrate each time you reach one.
If you think about it, that's probably what you've done in survival planning. You identified some item you wanted, figured out how you were going to acquire it, then worked to making it real.
You can do the same thing with expenses, debt, savings, time with your kids, spouse, or anything else you want to achieve. It's really about finding a balance between developing a safe environment for you and your family and living a happy, healthy life.
Good luck!
Well, I'd just like to thank everyone for their input on this insightful and educational thread, now I have something of an idea of what stress is. I know, I know, it's not the same as having actually experienced it, but now how many people on this forum think they know what tracking is because of what I posted, right? At least now I have an idea, just like them....this is such an educational forum.
Think I'll get my secretary to hold my calls so I can take my afternoon nap now.
Norse&Native
03-17-2009, 04:25 PM
Feeling like you are not in control is high on the list of things that can really cause us stress. Survival planning is something you can do and a way of putting yourself in control of a situation. You are probably pretty confident about your skills, you know what direction you want to take and you are moving along that path. Makes perfect sense.
You can put yourself in control in other areas of your life as well by establishing what goals you want to obtain. Both short term and long term.
Establish goals that are simple and attainable to begin with. You need to write them down to make them real then develop a plan to reach those goals. Set aside time to work on your goals and celebrate each time you reach one.
If you think about it, that's probably what you've done in survival planning. You identified some item you wanted, figured out how you were going to acquire it, then worked to making it real.
You can do the same thing with expenses, debt, savings, time with your kids, spouse, or anything else you want to achieve. It's really about finding a balance between developing a safe environment for you and your family and living a happy, healthy life.
Good luck!
Thanks for the positive reinforcement, y'all. I'll definitely put your advice to practice.
Trax - I'd love to help you out....which way did you come in?
Trax - I'd love to help you out....which way did you come in?
ohhhh, I get it! That's humor...oh now I'm laughing, good one Rick, yeah. ha. haha. ha. You're really something. Oh no, please I can't stop laughing. Yeah.
Alpine_Sapper
03-17-2009, 10:44 PM
To Rick and Alpine Sapper:
Thank you for the perspective. What you have to say definitely makes sense, and I know it's true. I do feel a lack of control in a lot of areas in my life and it manifests in survival preparedness. I gotta relax, man.
lol. just so ya know, I wrote that looking in the mirror. dig?
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