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Sarge47
02-18-2009, 06:22 PM
Apparently Destroying Angel feels that he can "hi-jack" anybody's posts on here without their permission as he has done just that with a part of mine & posted it on his Blog!:mad: I have given him until early tomorrow morning to remove it or bear the consequences! :mad:Here's something to consider, when somebody comes on here all "sweetness & light" trying to attract people to their projects, then does whatever the heck they want without regard for others you just gotta ask yourself: "Would I really want to be involved with such a person?" :confused::eek: I was treating D.A. kindly, just asking questions & gently stating my concerns, & this is how he repays me! We'll see what happens!:mad:
Tony uk
02-18-2009, 06:30 PM
Ive never heard of the guy, Thanks for the heads up tho Sarge, Although i dont think he'll find much in my posts.
Runs With Beer
02-18-2009, 07:07 PM
Yea I dont think Ine seen him either, But thanks.
laughing beetle
02-18-2009, 09:11 PM
I read some more of his blog, and checked around on some of the locations he mentioned. whatever he is up to... it is way out of my realm of experience. I don't know that it would be safe to get involved with his group. something just doesnt feel right. Rules of Survival.
welderguy
02-19-2009, 01:33 AM
After browsing thru DA's blog I did learn one thing I have pooping wrong all this time.
Sarge47
02-19-2009, 06:20 PM
Destroying Angel has complied with my demand that he remove my post. Had he asked permission in the 1st place I would have freely given it, but to assume that you can take anything you want speaks to an arrogant mindset. If any of you care to interact with him, that's up to you, but I'm done. I believe everything a person tells me; I just look at more than just their words.
D. A. says that he does not claim to be a "leader", yet he came on here asking "us" to join "him". Like it or not, that's a leader. If what I've seen is any clue as to his personality I would be warned off; but I leave that up to the individual membership!:knight:
Sarge47
02-23-2009, 02:03 PM
I've locked down D.A.'s thread: Seeking Seekers because of the flaming I keep receiving from him. The last post he quoted of mine wasn't even written to him. If he keeps this up I'll take sterner measures.:dissolve:
Alpine_Sapper
02-23-2009, 03:40 PM
Apparently Destroying Angel feels that he can "hi-jack" anybody's posts on here without their permission as he has done just that with a part of mine & posted it on his Blog!:mad: I have given him until early tomorrow morning to remove it or bear the consequences! :mad::mad:
What consequences? Are you really going to pursue an intellectual property lawsuit against someone for stealing a post you can't prove was yours originally? lol.
MCBushbaby
02-23-2009, 05:29 PM
Wow, I got a good laugh out of that whole "seeking seekers" thread. That could have been handled a little better.... hell, a lot better. Yes he seems to be a numpty, but a numpty with dreams of something big. Everyone was in their right to crush his dreams by poking holes in it but I admire how he respectfully rebutted. Then I think Sarge got a little carried away with whatever was 'stolen'. The heck was it anyway? Sarge's autobiography, 10 years in the making and funded by a $100,000 stipend? Or a 10 minute post on a public forum? Did he cite his source and display the original author (albeit by mo****r) or did he claim it as his own work? The former is not copyright infringement, sorry, as I'll demonstrate with the attached image. I stopped reading after page 4... it turned into an emotional argument on the internet. As as we all know...
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/images/7/71/Internet_argument.jpg (1)
By the way,
1. Unknown. [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Fun:Internet_argument]. Feb 23, 2009.
- For purposes of "a picture is worth a thousand words".
And then this whole thread about "warning! warning! Will Robinson!" Seems a bit immature. You'd be surprised at what is 'stolen' on the internet. Even with copyrights on all written material. Yes, i know everything written has a copyright on it, displayed or not. That's the wonderful thing about America. But it's all too emotional. Like crash said somewhere in that clusterf*ck, "back to your corners" (2).
2. Crashdive. [somewhere in that clusterf*ck thread, too lazy to cite url]. [some date, I'm not looking back for it].
Sarge47
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
What consequences? Are you really going to pursue an intellectual property lawsuit against someone for stealing a post you can't prove was yours originally? lol.
Nahhh! I was just going to ban him! Stealing is stealing, remember the 1st "pass-around knife"?:death:
Wow, I got a good laugh out of that whole "seeking seekers" thread. That could have been handled a little better.... hell, a lot better. Yes he seems to be a numpty, but a numpty with dreams of something big. Everyone was in their right to crush his dreams by poking holes in it but I admire how he respectfully rebutted. Then I think Sarge got a little carried away with whatever was 'stolen'. The heck was it anyway? Sarge's autobiography, 10 years in the making and funded by a $100,000 stipend? Or a 10 minute post on a public forum? Did he cite his source and display the original author (albeit by mo****r) or did he claim it as his own work? The former is not copyright infringement, sorry, as I'll demonstrate with the attached image. I stopped reading after page 4... it turned into an emotional argument on the internet. As as we all know...
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/images/7/71/Internet_argument.jpg (1)
By the way,
1. Unknown. [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Fun:Internet_argument]. Feb 23, 2009.
- For purposes of "a picture is worth a thousand words".
And then this whole thread about "warning! warning! Will Robinson!" Seems a bit immature. You'd be surprised at what is 'stolen' on the internet. Even with copyrights on all written material. Yes, i know everything written has a copyright on it, displayed or not. That's the wonderful thing about America. But it's all too emotional. Like crash said somewhere in that clusterf*ck, "back to your corners" (2).
2. Crashdive. [somewhere in that clusterf*ck thread, too lazy to cite url]. [some date, I'm not looking back for it].
You view it your way, I'll view it mine; okay?:nono:
Sarge47
02-25-2009, 11:56 PM
Ok, this is hilarious!:lol: Apparently Destroying Angel is still a thief & can't keep his hands off my stuff.http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=56158211355&ref=mf To top it off, when he "Self-Ejected" he changed his email address to: "blowitoutyoura**
[email protected]. (ya gotta love it!:lol:)
Well the mask has slipped. D.A. came on here all "sweetness & light", only to show that he is nothing more than a thief & a troll. I've gone ahead & banned him as this will help in keeping him from taking any other posts on here, although I wouldn't count on it. It's really difficult for me to view him as hating me so much when he values my prose so badly that he has to keep it!:lol: I really feel sorry for him; he must have had a terrible home life. I suspect that, since he's demonstrated a low self-image that the real reason he's going out into the wilds is that he can't get along with most everybody he comes into contact with in society. What's more, those of you who failed to come to his defense are lumped into the same category as me...this is a "weird & hostile place", remember? Anyway, if taking my post is helping to get rid of him then it's worth it! G'bye D.A., good luck in the woods; just remember to keep your sticky fingers off of other peoples stuff!:lol: (BTW, if you want anything else I've written, please let me know, I didn't realize I was that important to you!:lol:)
Ok, this is hilarious!:lol: Apparently Destroying Angel is still a thief & can't keep his hands off my stuff.http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=56158211355&ref=mf To top it off, when he "Self-Ejected" he changed his email address to: "blowitoutyoura**
[email protected]. (ya gotta love it!:lol:)
Well the mask has slipped. D.A. came on here all "sweetness & light", only to show that he is nothing more than a thief & a troll. I've gone ahead & banned him as this will help in keeping him from taking any other posts on here, although I wouldn't count on it. It's really difficult for me to view him as hating me so much when he values my prose so badly that he has to keep it!:lol: I really feel sorry for him; he must have had a terrible home life. I suspect that, since he's demonstrated a low self-image that the real reason he's going out into the wilds is that he can't get along with most everybody he comes into contact with in society. What's more, those of you who failed to come to his defense are lumped into the same category as me...this is a "weird & hostile place", remember? Anyway, if taking my post is helping to get rid of him then it's worth it! G'bye D.A., good luck in the woods; just remember to keep your sticky fingers off of other peoples stuff!:lol: (BTW, if you want anything else I've written, please let me know, I didn't realize I was that important to you!:lol:)
THAT CLOWN - WHAT A D*CKHEAD!:fuk2:
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yellowcab
04-29-2026, 01:06 AM
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MODO (http://keepagoodoffing.ru/t/1181086)DOUB (http://keepsmthinhand.ru/t/643058)Roxy (http://kentishglory.ru/t/1183089)FELI (http://kerbweight.ru/t/1179852)Karl (http://kerrrotation.ru/t/670075)Rond (http://keymanassurance.ru/t/611046)Niki (http://keyserum.ru/t/1180883)Буши (http://kickplate.ru/t/1051174)XVII (http://killthefattedcalf.ru/t/1238709)Крыв (http://kilowattsecond.ru/t/833590)Marg (http://kingweakfish.ru/t/907686)всяк (http://kinozones.ru/film/6107)Петр (http://kleinbottle.ru/t/777660)позн (http://kneejoint.ru/t/1056833)унив (http://knifesethouse.ru/t/1328177)
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Zone (http://lambdatransition.ru/t/1191932)Zone (http://laminatedmaterial.ru/t/1193488)Chet (http://lammasshoot.ru/t/1184180)Zone (http://lamphouse.ru/t/1185075)Zone (http://lancecorporal.ru/t/1185014)Zone (http://lancingdie.ru/t/1186454)3110 (http://landingdoor.ru/t/1188631)Басн (http://landmarksensor.ru/t/1240262)Zone (http://landreform.ru/t/1186912)Zone (http://landuseratio.ru/t/1185233)Zone (http://languagelaboratory.ru/t/1191043)дере (http://largeheart.ru/shop/1161224)загр (http://lasercalibration.ru/shop/1162302)Vide (http://laserlens.ru/lase_zakaz/159)орна (http://laserpulse.ru/shop/590679)
yellowcab
04-29-2026, 01:07 AM
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