How to band together?

[bulrush]

First, my question has to do with a TV "Pocky clypse" situation. I.e. almost no one has power, police are at home protecting their own, stores have been ransacked and emptied, etc.

Banding together is the best way to survive. Granted, you should band together with friends or family you know and trust. You know that ADD kid who couldn't hold a job down the street? Not a good bet to team up with.

But my question is, if you don't have family around here, and your friends are going to sit tight alone in their scattered homes, how does a lone person find a stranger to get together and survive with? (Sentence ending prepositions notwithstanding.)

I mean, an approaching stranger would have to be friendly. That means, rifle on his back, not drawn. Being polite. Offering to work for shelter and food. That kind of thing. Many people on this board would not accept strangers, assuming them to be low lifes. You would be right, for the most part, but what about the small bunch that are really hard working and trust worthy? They could really help you.

How would you test them to see if you might work together to get food and water and shelter? What might you ask them?

First, I'd ask them what their philosophy on life is. See if it's positive or negative.

EDIT. Here's more details.

While inside your house you hear an adult male shouting "Hey! Anyone home?" You go to the door and see a man standing about 30 feet from the front door. He has a rifle but it is slung on his back. A knife is visible on his belt but he is waving his hands in the air, hands not near the knife.

Person approaching you is clean shaven, age about late 30s. It is summer but he has a coat rolled on the top of a full back pack. Pack has visible one bedroll and sleeping bag, and full water bottle, pockets of pack are stuffed full. His clothes are not new, there are some rips sewn here and there. They are not real dirty but it is clear this person has been camping outside for a few days at least.

Adult has no jewelry or tattoos.

Man says: "Could I stay here the night? I can work for you, split wood, or whatever needs doing. I have my own food."

What do you do? Be serious. I know a lot of you want to make jokes and say "I waste him with my +10 crossbow."

[skunkkiller]

he has a rifle does he come bearing food or empty handed ? does he have gear like pack clothing fishing gear or none?

[bulrush]

I already mentioned what you can see, and food is not visible on him at this time.

[bulrush]

I wouldn't know how to "test" them...but i would know how to "read" them.
Tests are subjective and relative...they only serve the questioner, in a subtle game of "tell me what i want to hear" (remember high school again). The only possible outcome of this practice is the discoveries of what you think is right and what you think is wrong.

I have to disagree with this one. Remy, you might be thinking that close-ended questions are not a good test of a person's character. Remember this is an initial test, nothing in-depth. My question is an open-ended question. I would ask "What is your philosophy on life"?

If they didn't even have a philosophy, it tells me that they are likely a person that doesn't plan for the future, doesn't think ahead, and very probably gets what he wants through violence and deception.

The answer to my question will not tell me all I need to know. It just tells me if they are a serious danger to me or my family and give me an initial impression of a person. A sociopath might say "shoot em all and let God sort them out." However, the next question is, is that philosophy further moderated by responsibility to others?



People might save your life, even if the answers to some questions are opposite to yours. You could have totally different values, ethics, morals, philosophies, and yet be a formidable team.
Why ? Because those realms are not what constitute the whole of a being. Those realms are completely dependent on ideas.


Yes but you and the other men with different ideas were banded together because you were forced to work together by your CO and the threat of punishment. That doesn't apply in this situation because all society has broken down. The only things left are personal morals and responsibilities.



It is no longer about meaningless words like positive or negative...for what is positive to you might be negative to me...ideas.


That is true, different people have different ideas of positive and negative. However, there are certain absolutes which I find important in my opinion. If you want to live with me you cannot steal from me. That is an absolute. Any deviation from that will not be tolerated from me. What I'm trying to search for by questioning a stranger, is do their ideas of postive mesh with mine? Criminals will band together because they think stealing is ok. I will band together with people who think stealing is bad.

[bulrush]

What "applies", is a common direction.
Isn't surviving enough ?

Nope. It's how one survives that matters to me. Some people will murder and steal simply because there is someone to murder, and stuff to steal. That is not the direction I want to take. Criminals steal for selfish reasons, to get cash for their drug habit, or cash for more bling, or to pay off gambling debts for example. The difference between me and them is I will barter and work for food before I would steal. Sure I might steal if cornered or I have a run of bad luck, but that won't be the way I normally run my life.

I have what I earned, and I earned what I have.



We weren't forced to work together...we worked together because of forces.
The difference is in the heart, not in the CO.

Absolutes that you find important are ideas. Talking about those are signs of doubts.
Stealing is bad...why not.
What if you knew that a group of individuals were planing an attack on this soil, and you could actually steal their plan ? Would it be bad then ?

Actually, having an absolute line that you personally would not cross is a sign of strength. It's a sign that you have thought about this issue, and decided it is a line you will not cross.

Stealing would not be bad then, because my actions would be defensive, not offensive. Not that offensive is always bad either. In any case, my direction is, I don't murder someone just because they have food and I was not smart enough to prepare.



What you are looking for is "nature", direction, and temperament...not philosophies or personalities...
You could call it "nature" if you want. But the point is, I'm trying to quickly gauge what kind of person I am dealing with.

[kam]

put yourself in his place ,how would you like to be treated , my mates at bike club are people i would trust my life to , but apart from motorcycles very few of us have the same opinion on life , im lucky i can kind of tell what people are like within a few mins of general chit chat , never judge a book by its cover .tatoos mean nothing .i dont have any but i can be a real nasty !!!!!!.

[trax]

Hi kam, how about giving us a few minutes of chit-chat in the intro section, and welcome.

I also had some thoughts about the "clean shaven" and "no tattoos". Is that supposed to tell me something? I wear my hair half way down my back, often wear a beard and am tattooed.....Does that make me appear "untrustworthy"? Ted Bundy was always well dressed and clean-shaven....Why was this guy with the rifle slung on his back waving his arms?

[bulrush]

Thanks for your input, Remy, but I would like others to comment on this too.

[DOGMAN]

I have been that guy you described on numerous occasions. And people have always helped me out. i'd feel obligated to do the same.

[Geronimo!]

Bulrush,
I get the feeling, like you're looking for questions to ask a new possible work partner to see if he's trustworthy. Am I right?

I find there is one question that answers almost everything I need to know about someone.

"what is your story?"

Let them explain there life up to your initial contact. Listen to what they actually say, pay attention to where their eyes go, and watch their body language. Everything they do will tell you something. After about thirty seconds you should have a good idea what this person is like.

[trax]

The thing I find most interesting about this thread is that while people discuss the potential good and evil of others, we have two current threads wherein: a) Riverrat probably saved his neighbor's life
b) MANABA wrote about how much he enjoyed helping people out during the ice storms.

Well, Remy stated that there are 17 kinds of human nature...I hope I'm not mis-stating you Remy, but there's a couple of examples of the kind of human nature that I would have no trouble banding with and I think, one of the more common. Oh by the way, Remy, thanks for keeping it short this time :D

[woodlander1314]

Before I say something I have to put in that I make sure to have survival friends, we've already convened on what we will do as a team if hell breaks loose. But anyway I agree with the previous posts, i would trust him. In this kinda situation you need all the friends you can get and he is obviously in the same situation. And whatever "issues" he or she might have, they will be willing to compromise in order to survive. The strongest instinct in every human body is the instict to survive. If that isn't enough look in their eyes, not like sappy happy-go-lucky kinda look, but look in their eyes, you can see so much about them that way. Fear, sorrow, anguish, weakness of body, weakness of spirit. Just take a minute to and try to piece together what this person might have gone through in the past few days, and then ask them about it. In desperation, you will find all you need to know.

[old soldier]

personally, i can talk and listen to someone for five minutes and know whether i could hold up in a cave with them, i'm not saying that i could have picked out the green river killer, but some people just sound and look right and some don't. the first thing i would want is someone with guts and who is alert, knows what is going on around them even if they don't show it.

[grundle]

In this situation context would be very important.

I think many survivalists would get the hell out of the city, that would be the first thing I would do, because mass hysteria and mob mentality are dangerous. Most people are scared of what they don't know, so the wilderness is really the last place they would go.

If there really was a total breakdown like that, then you have a higher chance of surviving outside of the city because you have more natural resources to go on. Accessable water supply, abundant renewable food sources, and abundant energy sources for heat (i.e. wood). I think the most important factor would be the lack of competition. Cities have huge storehouses of material, but there would be enormous competition for those goods as well.

In this scenario if someone showed up at my stead, I would kindly ask him to remove any and all weapons first. I would then interview the chap outside away from my loved ones to find out about the affairs of the world and how he came around.

I figure that by the time someone makes it around to my place they are either one of two types of people. A proficient survivalist, or a rotten scum that survived the chaos by taking advantage of others. It would be easier to find out which he was by that time.

[mcfd45]

offer him to set his bag on the porch and get him a drink. the very least you can do is talk with him for a bit.

[celticsavage]

In a domestic conflict or emergency situation I would have to set some rules before he would enter. He must submit to a full search of person and belongings. You can come in looking unarmed and have a snub nose revolver in a pocket. Does he have a "official" looking radio in his pack? In any survival situation, no matter what vibe you get be cautious. Remember there are those who are specifically trained to gain the trust of others.

[Sourdough]

Hell, people can not even manage their own family. People don't even TRUST their own family. Who is the the commanding person, and if you tell the new guy, your on 11:PM to 7:AM guard duty, then your going to sleep soundly, I think not.

You let him join but he has to help in the kitchen, He Say's no I am in command now, and you can get naked and leave.

I can't think of good reasons you would want strangers on the inside. You don't want strangers with-in 5 miles on the outside.

This whole conversation is why you want to be part of a very small community, like Hope, AK. which is at the end of a 16 mile long DEAD-END road, and that road is the only way in or out.

I don't think it will get real bad........But if you do, you better be doing more than hypothesizing about it.....:eek::eek::eek:

Always remember someone needs to feed the bears........This property protected by "GRIZZLY BEAR" Security Co.

[Sourdough]

There are people on this forum who I would trust, and I would sleep well. I don't think there is anyone in my family I would trust 100%; either because they are not reliable, or trustworthy. And most would not even be 5% to 15% capable of completing a simple life and death chore.......:(:(:(

[Ole WV Coot]

Last time I trusted someone to watch my hide he got so smoked he couldn't find his own rear end. I was lucky and woke up, don't really know a person until you have been in a tight spot with them and learned the hard way. I would have to live with them under hostile conditions before I could halfway trust anyone.

[Stairman]

Im surrounded by females.Pretty ones at that.I would have to be very desperate to let some strange guy enter my home/hideout.I dont see that happening.On the other hand a female in need would be given consideration.There are some mean and nasty women out there but the male is by nature a more ruthless being.

[RBB]

EDIT. Here's more details.

While inside your house you hear an adult male shouting "Hey! Anyone home?" You go to the door and see a man standing about 30 feet from the front door. He has a rifle but it is slung on his back. A knife is visible on his belt but he is waving his hands in the air, hands not near the knife.

Person approaching you is clean shaven, age about late 30s. It is summer but he has a coat rolled on the top of a full back pack. Pack has visible one bedroll and sleeping bag, and full water bottle, pockets of pack are stuffed full. His clothes are not new, there are some rips sewn here and there. They are not real dirty but it is clear this person has been camping outside for a few days at least.

Adult has no jewelry or tattoos.

Man says: "Could I stay here the night? I can work for you, split wood, or whatever needs doing. I have my own food."

What do you do? Be serious. I know a lot of you want to make jokes and say "I waste him with my +10 crossbow."

Being suspicious by virtue of my employment - I wouldn't go to the door. Pretty easy to hide a sniper in the woods around our place.

I have lots of family near by, and some very good friends. Likely we would end up with about 50 people either at my place, or at a friend's place down river.

[sniperfx]

man, i am with celtic savage, i am one of those people who have been trained to gain trust. i trust no one until they have proven themselves. i am lucky that i can read body language,facial expression etc... not that i am a bad guy or anything, but in a shtf scenario, people will do ANYTHING!!!!!!!! to get what they percieve as need,want etc... be very cautious with anyone. male or female......

[edr730]

I could eat all the cats and dogs, kill an enemy if there was one, skin a dead man out and eat him....but I couldn't turn a cold hungry man who asked for my help away. If he could trust me to leave his coat and weapons outside, then he could come in under guard. I'd share the fire, and a little food if I could. If I needed to turn him away after that, then I would put it to a vote to ease my conscience. I'd still feel guilty if I turned him out to probable death and wouldn't doubt he may return with help to attack the house. If he did, I'd defend it if I could or surrender it if I couldn't. Whether you allow him to enter or not he could still return either for help or attack. If you ever surrender your home, then don't expect more mercy than you've given. You don't give him a tour, but you don't make an enemy. You try to show a greater strength then you actually have, show kindness and make your decision while you listen, but where there is one of something that you can see then there are more that you can not.

[Sourdough]

Remy, I think you and I come at the "SHTF" thingie from totally different skill sets. I have not been to town for food for nearly 4 months (October 14, 08'). I am a professional hunter, and know zero about military stuff.

I have moose, Dall sheep, caribou, mt. goats, black bears, grizzly bears, three kinds of salmon, rainbow trout, all with-in 1/2 mile of the cabin. Why would I do a military thing.

If the SHTF 95% of the civilians would leave Alaska. With out Natural Gas, and Electric Anchorage would be a ghost town.

I would love to have a community of homesteader type people here in the area. And about half of them are.

There would be no reason for people to come here, it is hard work, real hard work, cold hard work.

I just don't see any need for military thinking here. Hard work yep, I'll be happy the feed anyone who wants to buck-up logs, split'em and stack'em.
Then haul water 1/2 mile. Then butcher a moose. There is always room for someone wants to work 16 to 18 hours a day.......In the rain, cold rain.

People do not seem to be attracted to hard labor. And there really are a lot of grizzly bears, that someone needs to feed.......:eek:

[rebel]

First, my question has to do with a TV "Pocky clypse" situation. I.e. almost no one has power, police are at home protecting their own, stores have been ransacked and emptied, etc.

Banding together is the best way to survive. Granted, you should band together with friends or family you know and trust. You know that ADD kid who couldn't hold a job down the street? Not a good bet to team up with.

But my question is, if you don't have family around here, and your friends are going to sit tight alone in their scattered homes, how does a lone person find a stranger to get together and survive with? (Sentence ending prepositions notwithstanding.)

I mean, an approaching stranger would have to be friendly. That means, rifle on his back, not drawn. Being polite. Offering to work for shelter and food. That kind of thing. Many people on this board would not accept strangers, assuming them to be low lifes. You would be right, for the most part, but what about the small bunch that are really hard working and trust worthy? They could really help you.

How would you test them to see if you might work together to get food and water and shelter? What might you ask them?

First, I'd ask them what their philosophy on life is. See if it's positive or negative.

EDIT. Here's more details.

While inside your house you hear an adult male shouting "Hey! Anyone home?" You go to the door and see a man standing about 30 feet from the front door. He has a rifle but it is slung on his back. A knife is visible on his belt but he is waving his hands in the air, hands not near the knife.

Person approaching you is clean shaven, age about late 30s. It is summer but he has a coat rolled on the top of a full back pack. Pack has visible one bedroll and sleeping bag, and full water bottle, pockets of pack are stuffed full. His clothes are not new, there are some rips sewn here and there. They are not real dirty but it is clear this person has been camping outside for a few days at least.

Adult has no jewelry or tattoos.

Man says: "Could I stay here the night? I can work for you, split wood, or whatever needs doing. I have my own food."

What do you do? Be serious. I know a lot of you want to make jokes and say "I waste him with my +10 crossbow."

From what you have described of the person I would invite them to stay. For a while, I would have them bed down in the barn, shed or garage. A trial period for observation. I've had folks stay in my home and a couple times and the "friends" true color became apparent. So, you've got to be cautious. These "friends" became needy and lazy. Then, when it was time to say bye it became un-friendly. The good life was leaving. The phrase "dug in deeper than a tick " is what I refer to in those times.

It's a good point you brought up about the equipment. Besides the obvious body language, how a person takes care of their possessions says a lot about that person. Something my G-father taught me was to look at the car of someone wanting to rent from you. The car didn't have to be the best just clean and tidy inside and out. If they take care of their stuff chances are they will be respectfully of your things.

Here's another twist to your scenario. What if the person is a different race?
Here's a simple test to see if race is an issue in survival: Drive to a part of town where you are clearly the minority and knock on a few doors to see if you can use their phone to call for a tow truck. This happened to me and thank goodness is was summer time.

Anyway, I think this a good thread. There are some good points being discussed.

[Sourdough]

O.K. here is what galls me. People make a lot of money, I don't stand outside their door and say, you have much, and I only made $4,642.00 total this year so give me some of your money, or I'll kill you and take it.

I choose to live a subsistence life style. What galls me is people always want to be on the gravy'boat. No body wants to be on the bust your a$$ work boat.

What gives people the right to come here and say, "My gravy'boat crashed, I lost my 2.6 million dollar home, my stock options went south, and my pension fund is broke, Feed me".

Life is about choices. Life is about being responsible for the choices we make, all of the choices that we make. The floor of my cabin was 16* F above zero for three weeks, when it was -31*F outside. Why because of choices that I made. Bad choices. So I had to Man-up and tough it out. I did not go to someones house and say my feet are cold, my puppies are freezing, there is ice 3 feet up the walls.

It is my responsibility to have firewood split for two years forward, I don't get to go to my neighbor and say, I spent the summer hiking, and you have split wood, give me some, or I'll kill you.

I have part of the homestead for sale. But people would rather put their money in junk bonds or Google stock options, well that is their choice.

I could sell the whole homestead and buy Google stock, my choice. Remy can stay in L.A. or move to a farm/ranch in mid-America, that is his choice.

I have made a lot of mistakes in this life, made a lot of bad choices. I lost $960,000.00 in the last Real Estate "DEPRESSION" in Alaska, all because I owed a bank $87,500.-- the bank went under, FDIC took over, they called my loan in full in 30 days.

Well guess what boys and girls, this cowboy will never, ever borrow one dollar from any bank ever, never.

Everybody wants the gravy boat.......well maybe the only boat taking on crew is the work boat. :)

[SARKY]

Im surrounded by females.Pretty ones at that.I would have to be very desperate to let some strange guy enter my home/hideout.I dont see that happening.On the other hand a female in need would be given consideration.There are some mean and nasty women out there but the male is by nature a more ruthless being.

you aren't paying attention then to say that a male is more ruthless by nature. Guys may be dawgs but a woman will cut your throat in the middle of the night after having seduced you.

[Sourdough]

you aren't paying attention then to say that a male is more ruthless by nature. Guys may be dawgs but a woman will cut your throat in the middle of the night after having seduced you.

So, you know my ex-wife.......which one......:):):):):):):)

[SARKY]

Look.... it comes down to this, build your group NOW before any kind of disaster happens. Anyone who comes into the group after, will have to EARN the trust of the group before he/she is fully intergrated. We have friends that we would trust with our lives and then we have friends that that aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves. If a person isn't willing to pull their own weight (and then some in an emergency) then I don't need them draging down the rest of us.

[SARKY]

On another note...lessons learned from Katrina: Neighborhoods that banded together for mutual support were bypassed by the thugs and looters. Yes they (the neighbors ) were armed, at least until that scumbag mayor and policechief decided to disarm lawabiding citizens!

[wildWoman]

O.K. here is what galls me. People make a lot of money, I don't stand outside their door and say, you have much, and I only made $4,642.00 total this year so give me some of your money, or I'll kill you and take it.

I choose to live a subsistence life style. What galls me is people always want to be on the gravy'boat. No body wants to be on the bust your a$$ work boat.

What gives people the right to come here and say, "My gravy'boat crashed, I lost my 2.6 million dollar home, my stock options went south, and my pension fund is broke, Feed me".

Life is about choices. Life is about being responsible for the choices we make, all of the choices that we make. The floor of my cabin was 16* F above zero for three weeks, when it was -31*F outside. Why because of choices that I made. Bad choices. So I had to Man-up and tough it out. I did not go to someones house and say my feet are cold, my puppies are freezing, there is ice 3 feet up the walls.

It is my responsibility to have firewood split for two years forward, I don't get to go to my neighbor and say, I spent the summer hiking, and you have split wood, give me some, or I'll kill you.

I have part of the homestead for sale. But people would rather put their money in junk bonds or Google stock options, well that is their choice.

I could sell the whole homestead and buy Google stock, my choice. Remy can stay in L.A. or move to a farm/ranch in mid-America, that is his choice.

I have made a lot of mistakes in this life, made a lot of bad choices. I lost $960,000.00 in the last Real Estate "DEPRESSION" in Alaska, all because I owed a bank $87,500.-- the bank went under, FDIC took over, they called my loan in full in 30 days.

Well guess what boys and girls, this cowboy will never, ever borrow one dollar from any bank ever, never.

Everybody wants the gravy boat.......well maybe the only boat taking on crew is the work boat. :)


You said it all.

[edr730]

There are many things that I would do, that other people could never do in a survival senerio such as this. I am not close to squeamish. But, one of the things that I am not capable of is not helping someone who comes to me and asks. If it really came down to it, and Hopeak was in my group, I would point to him and say, "you decide because I can't". I understand hard work and I know how people can be. I am the hardest of workers and I respect others who are similiar. I would only point out the strategy of the situation....it depends once again.
If the woods are filled with zombie survivalists with bug out bags, then you would need to make alliances...and soon. Whether it be with this individual or your neighbors you would need to make that choice. Of course, the decision would vary whether you are where Hopeak is or if you are in downtown Detroit. But, the decision should be made very quickly.
This is just a game or a senerio, but if it were to happen, then the decisions would have to be made quickly, accurately and based on your best accessment of the possibilities.

[edr730]

I wanted to say one more thing about this imaginary group that you are surviving with (I'm from Michigan so I can leave prepositions at the end of a sentence). Anyhow, I don't care what group you are with, you will develop a particular type of morality or ethic within the group. The group will not tolerate anything otherwise. There will be a definite 'right' and a definite 'wrong'. There will be a morality that will be more strict than what you would normally expect to experience. Take away the semantics and the bare bones will be that everyone thinks alike. As it should be and as it would be to form an efficient small working community.

[Stony]

wishes, dreams, hopes.
reality: no guy with a full pack and rifle will show up,
no shtf, no emd-time bs.
all of us will have our noses to the grind-stone the next few years to make due
thx to certain people.
keep it real.

[edr730]

The scenario is an exaggeration. But, it's an exaggeration for effect. There may be no shtf or teowanna wanna or whatever it's called. But, a man with a backpack at your door? With many more like him?...it's a remote possibility sure, but a possibility all the same. It happens all the time in third world countries. Just look south if you want to know what kind or scenario that greed for power and money, corruption, revolution or natural disasters can create. People are the same wherever you go. Don't think that our high moral values and ethics can guard us from it's occurrence here once again. It's happened many times, in the past, in the United States. We don't remember so well, but there have been books written about them. The struggles of the Native American, Tecumseh who all Canadians should know about his great part in their history, coal miners of the south, copper miners of Michigan, and the one we know the best: the exodus from the dust bowl of the Midwest. John Steinbeck's book "The Grapes of Wrath" is a story of survival as is Woody Guthrie's book "Bound for Glory". Don't discount them for books that are not about survival. They are stories of people working together in a group to survive. We don't know the future, that's why people prepare. But, if you look to history, you'll recognize that these events are reoccurring. You'll realize that they will occur again, whether in our time, our children's time or our grandchildren's time. But, they will occur....man made or natural.

[SARKY]

well said Ed

[Durtyoleman]

On the origional question, It'd be highly unlikely the person would ever see the inside of my door. Were it a known friend they'd first have to surrender their weapon to me...sorry but I am packin in my house and will be certain that I am in control, if it's a good friend they know I'll look out for them too. Since it is a stranger the only way they'd be permitted is if I were disabled in some manner since my work capacity would be diminished having to watch over an unknown and maintain extra caution in other time consuming manners.
just my two cents

D.O.M.

[SARKY]

Let's get to the basics. we associate with people, whatever people because of common interests. There are times that the association expands beyond the common interests. A person showing up at my door, can not be watched 24-7 while he/she is under a probationary period, gaining my trust. There are people out there that share your ideals and are willing to work together. There are also the sneaky predators who will do or say anything to gain your trust and then stab you in the back. That is why I say to build your group now! it doesn't have to be a tight group right now but it does need to be people you can trust to some extent.
Now i have a question, What do YOU do to a person who betrays your trust during a dire situation? Provided you are able to regain the upper hand.

[Durtyoleman]

Sorry but my door remains closed to them and my gun loaded, if they choose to disarm under my watch in the guise of aid and friendship and still betray then they will vanish..
D.O.M.

[TucsonMax]

This is a fascinating thread (ending with prepositions or not.) Not having any military or self-defense training (but classes are scheduled and supply money budgeted,) I'd likely hide and hope he just goes away. I figure, by the time he finds my house in the suburbs , half the other homes will be deserted and/or occupied by skeletons, so he'll bunk there first. It'll be difficult enough providing for my own family, let alone neighbors who show up unprepared... the last thing I can do is handle strangers. This is mighty difficult for me, just yesterday a stranger came up to me in the ER (was there for my kid and everything is fine) asking me for a few bucks to buy a meal. I gave him a $20. He needed it more then me.


That is why I say to build your group now! it doesn't have to be a tight group right now but it does need to be people you can trust to some extent.

I think this is the best advice and I'm doing it now. It's not easy, we all know that. But it simply makes the best sense.

[rwc1969]

... how does a lone person find a stranger to get together and survive with?...talk with them, put a small amount of trust in them and see if they walk the walk or just talk the talk. Then add more trust as you go.

Many people on this board would not accept strangers, assuming them to be low lifes. You would be right, for the most part, but what about the small bunch that are really hard working and trust worthy? i wouldn't assume strangers to be low lives. You have no way of knowing if someone is hard working and trustworthy by talking to them. You can make an educated guess, but that's it. Usually it's the non-hardworking and non-trustworthy that talk the talk and make you think they are.

How would you test them to see if you might work together to get food and water and shelter? What might you ask them? I might ask them to help get food and water. :smash:

First, I'd ask them what their philosophy on life is. See if it's positive or negative. I couldn't give a rat's *** what their philosophy on life is unless their philosophy is "I want to die". I would want to know if they can get food, water, build, guard, etc.

EDIT. Here's more details.

While inside your house you hear an adult male shouting "Hey! Anyone home?" You go to the door and see a man standing about 30 feet from the front door. He has a rifle but it is slung on his back. A knife is visible on his belt but he is waving his hands in the air, hands not near the knife.

Person approaching you is clean shaven, age about late 30s. It is summer but he has a coat rolled on the top of a full back pack. Pack has visible one bedroll and sleeping bag, and full water bottle, pockets of pack are stuffed full. His clothes are not new, there are some rips sewn here and there. They are not real dirty but it is clear this person has been camping outside for a few days at least.

Adult has no jewelry or tattoos.

Man says: "Could I stay here the night? I can work for you, split wood, or whatever needs doing. I have my own food."

What do you do? Be serious...."

What do I do? Well first off I don't give the clean shave, lack of tats or jewelery any thought whatsoever. That has no bearing on whether or not I would trust this person. I would wonder why someone fully equipped would be asking to stay one night. I would be quite suspicious.

Secondly, I would say you may stay, but you will have to surrender your weapons until you leave, submit to a full search, and you will have to pull your own weight. If you don't pull your own weight you will be cast out, weaponless immediately.

If he is serious and in need of help he will agree. Otherwise, he will leave or be shot. If he agrees I would lay down the rules and have him watched discretely. If he violates any rules he's out on the street immediately.

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