View Full Version : Silver as a barter Item
maxpower
01-26-2009, 09:25 PM
What do you guys think of silver as a barter item?
I have seen alot of different ideas and posts for barter items but it would seem to me that you would want to focus on the basics before you worried too much about barter. Even then most posts I see say things like bullets, alcohol, seeds, food, generators or items like that would be great for barter.
However I am not sure about that. It would seem to me that things like bullets and alcohol would be dangerous. Simply because people might be more then willing to harm you for them. Second seeds and food would seem to me to be something you might want to keep rather then trade away. Third alot of the bigger items like generators or water purifiers are hard to stock up on in bulk simply in the off chance you might have to trade them away.
Silver coins however would seem to work rather well. First I couldn't envision any senario where there wouldn't be at least a few people willing to take them in trade. Second they are small so you can store and carry both large and small quantities of them. And finally they would retain their value even if the world was just fine.
crashdive123
01-26-2009, 09:27 PM
OK - I gotta ask. What type of scenario do you envision where all of this bartering would be going on?
maxpower
01-26-2009, 09:44 PM
a simple dollar colapse like argentina would work :D
Honestly several of my friends have started bartering already. Trading things like funiture and old cars for electronics or services (like web design)
crashdive123
01-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Bartering is nothing new. I do it all the time with my business. If somebody needs service, but can't afford it we can usually work out something. The reason I asked the question I did was that you said -
It would seem to me that things like bullets and alcohol would be dangerous. Simply because people might be more then willing to harm you for them Now in a true barter scenario as you described, the things of value to others will bring you the best deals. Nobody can eat a bar of silver or gold if they are hungry. That same gold or silver will not run the generator for power. They may however be a great investment vehicle for some folks. If however, the scenario that you describe unfolds, I believe that useful items that people need will have their greatest value. My father told me stories of the great depression (he lived in Germany, where it was, by some accounts worse than in North America). One story was - he had collected a wheel barrow full of pennies. They had no value as currency, but as scrap copper - he got two loaves of bread. You can't eat pennies, silver, or gold.
MCBushbaby
01-26-2009, 10:00 PM
Knowing the common person, a basement full of canned goods would look like fort knox. Every time before there is a "snow storm" in Boston, I head to my favorite pub to watch the stockpilers line up around the block at the grocers across the street. It's hilarious. Carts heaped fully of food that, in all honesty, isn't worth investing in if you expect the worst. So yea, um, just buy a can of Campbells for every silver dollar you'd be issuing. I'm certain you can trade those lickidy split.
SARKY
01-26-2009, 10:07 PM
Yet us put this senario to you.... you have what is presently worth $10,000 worth of silver. You need some gas for your generator (which is in short supply), some antibiotics, a pound of 2penny nails (for repairs to your house) etc. You are going around your area searching for these items to (in reality purchase) barter for your silver. First: you need these items to survive, they don't need your silver, you are going to pay a premium in silver for hese items.
Now let s say you run into some unsavory vermin (they do surface during these times), They offer to trade with you, you flash your silver, and next thing you know you don't have your silver nor do you have the items you needed. And that is if you are lucky, if you are unlucky, your body is lying in a shallow grave somewhere.
SARKY
01-26-2009, 10:09 PM
If you are looking for barter items, aquire a mix of luxury items (liquor, tobacco, coffee, tea, etc.) and consumables (nails, screws, gas, etc.)
endurance
01-26-2009, 10:16 PM
I think precious metals have their place, but it's far down the list. After you've stored enough food, have a secure source of energy, water, heat, and have the means to keep it yours, then it starts to enter the list. To me, precious metals are all about protecting wealth. While I could foresee a long-term post-Peak Oil world where silver coinage would be preferable to paper money, unless you have surplus cash you don't know how else to protect, you'd probably be better off storing more food and seeds. I just picked up over three years of food seeds in sealed cans for under $140. I can tell you that if things get bad enough, that will carry far more value relative to inflation than the equivelent amount of silver or gold.
Think of wealth preservation in terms of maintaining buying power. While it's assumed that gold maintains its buying power relative to inflation, so do many things that are valuable. If seeds are hard to come by, they'll maintain lots of buying power. If alcohol is hard to come by, it will maintain its buying power. If you can bake bread with wheat you paid $.85/pound despite the fact that inflation has sent the price of wheat to $9/pound, than you've maintained your buying power.
Sourdough
01-27-2009, 01:07 AM
The "Hopeak Whorehouse and Whiskey Emporium" gladly accepts barter. On a more serious note: Just have lots and lots and LOTS of everything you will ever need. Last time I went shopping was Oct. 12, 2008. About 114 days ago. Yes, that is a new record.
Silver and especially gold will always have their worth. Having some silver set by for barter would not be a bad idea.
Wish I had some.
vthompson
01-27-2009, 08:59 AM
I hope that silver does become a barter item, because I would fair out pretty well.
scafool
01-27-2009, 10:51 AM
If you are looking for barter items, aquire a mix of luxury items (liquor, tobacco, coffee, tea, etc.) and consumables (nails, screws, gas, etc.)
+10
Also rich chocolate and fats like shortening or lard.
People switching to survival type diets often can get starches and protein but not fats.
After a couple weeks the cravings for fat start to show. Without the fats you can't even digest protein properly and start to starve. It becomes a trade item.
Chocolate is rich in fat so I count it there instead of as candy.
You might want to look at what Allied soldiers used as barter goods at the end of WWII.
(Butter and Nylon stockings:confused:)
pgvoutdoors
01-27-2009, 11:24 AM
I would believe that precious metals like gold and silver would play more of a roll as things begin to stabilize. They have always been a stable form of currency.
But in a situation of a complete collapse of the economic system, the bartering of actual goods and services would be required.
There will always be people that will work themselves into a position of advantage over others. As their stockpiles develop they will start to look toward the future. Precious metals will be an important part of securing their place in a new economy. Trade items may no longer be sought after with these people.
Why just the other day I traded a roll of quarters for tobacco products and a lighter, does that count?
pgvoutdoors
01-27-2009, 11:31 AM
I believe so! Especially if they were Canadian quarters. :D
Yes they are. You can tell by the Queen on the front and the elk on the back (although I find the two of them difficult to distinguish)
smoke
01-30-2009, 02:55 AM
Tell me if I am wrong. The other day some one posted a question what would you take into the mountains to live for a year. Why dont you just apply the same senario to this situation that way gold and silver is not as important. Your goal is to be self reliant in those times. The only difference is you are preparing your home and not the mountains. The important thing is to keep it quiet because once people find out you have it you wont have it for long. Prepare your self and then look to trade goods. Thats just my humble take on the situation
Leighman
01-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Keep in mind that in a real world SHTF scenario, you may hard pressed to find too many folks who know the difference between real silver currency and a worthless alloy coin.
It sure won't be the highschool kid working the check-out counter of the Stop-N-Rob or the guy who runs a local gas station.
Precious metals in a retirement portfoilo are one thing, but successfully "bartering" with gold/silver during hard times is something entirely different.
I would follow SARKY's suggestion and go with luxury/consumable items.
As for folks "harming" you for bartering items such as bullets, alcohol, tobacco, etc....don't be naive.
Certain individuals (given the circumstances) will gladly slice your throat for a Happy Meal and the number one reason why YOU have and CARRY firearms/ammo in the first place, SHTF or otherwise.
MCBushbaby
01-30-2009, 01:42 PM
mmmm, I don't mean to deviate but I'll trade a half dozen 308 rounds ofr a happymeal right now. I'll throw in a brick of 22s if you deliver to my office :D
crashdive123
01-30-2009, 01:49 PM
If I was in your neck of the woods right now, you'd have a deal.
Leighman
01-30-2009, 01:56 PM
mmmm, I don't mean to deviate but I'll trade a half dozen 308 rounds ofr a happymeal right now. I'll throw in a brick of 22s if you deliver to my office :D
Now THAT is what I call bartering and with ammo prices soaring I think it's a fair trade.....except for that little mileage issue, of course. :D
Mountaintrekker
02-03-2009, 07:20 PM
An item of note... know that I also have some silver stashed aside. But I degress... An item only has value if someone else wants it. I came up here with my Ford F250 Diesel truck thinking I could sell it off and get something much less expensive and use the extra cash for bills, fishing gear etc.
Well, no one seems to want to buy a truck like this for any ammont of money in my area. Hence I'm stuck paying upkeep and fuel for a rig I don't need nor want at the moment with money tied up that could be going for other necessities.
Just something to keep in mind. In a SHTF scenario I personally would want functional everyday type stuff or luxuries like, chocolate, coffee etc.
Now when things start to come back around, that is another matter. You just have to make sure you are set to survive up to that point and beyond.
More Mountaintrekker Ramblings... :)
sniperfx
02-03-2009, 07:29 PM
man, i think if it was shtf time, money is the last thing i would be worried about. once people started starving, i think they would be pillaging and killing for food. i think i would hit it deep and set it out for awhile. i dont trust desperate people. i have seen what they will do firsthand. it is not very pretty!!!!
rockymtnchief
02-03-2009, 07:33 PM
Anybody who watched when Katrina hits knows that money/silver didn't help them much. The most important things for survival were being looted....food, bottled water, Heineken, and big screen tv's. :)
dominored
02-05-2009, 11:36 PM
Silver naturally kills bacteria in water. This is an age-old principle. Throwing a few coins in stored water is about the only use I can see for silver if things get really bad. The nice thing about silver is if things don't get really bad quickly, you'll have something of value when you really need it. Also, you don't have to worry about whether it will spoil.
palm stalker
02-06-2009, 01:01 AM
dominored,your so stupid,as to what barter is..sit on ur silver, u will be the first to die.. ill take ur silver and cast balls for my .45 blck powder..
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 01:17 AM
Items of need will make better barter items than items of luxery. That being said, if a man is trying to get food for his family, silver is going to do him no good. Niether will gold. They are only worth money because we say they are. A man could give everything he has for silver and gold, but still he will watch his family go hungry. However, food items, ammo, soap, liquer and tobacco (not a real necessity, but probably will be wanted by others), motor oil, gasoline, diesel, warm coats, boots, socks, etc. should make good barter items. I would also say to get yourself a good still to purify water for drinking. If you can make enough purified water, that might make a good barter item, especially if you can provide it on a regular basis to others who might have no other way to get good water. Be creative, but think about necessities and renewable resorces available to you. That way you always have something to barter. If you know how to handmake nets and fish traps, have materials on hand for that. Think about what is needed in your area to survive. Maybe even a good worm bed for fish bait. Another good idea is to stock up on NON-HIBRED seeds. This way, you can grow food for your family and to barter, and also save seeds for next season to plant and to barter.
palm stalker
02-06-2009, 01:39 AM
well said,coon ***..
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 01:58 AM
Thanks Palm stalker.
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 02:10 AM
While we are on the subject, a 1 pound bag of beans you buy at the grocery store for a dollar will keep for years and grow a crop to last over a year and have seeds to spare. Not a bad investment. Just don't forget the rice!!!! Maybe barter some for rice.
Geronimo!
02-06-2009, 09:44 AM
That being said, if a man is trying to get food for his family, silver is going to do him no good. Niether will gold. They are only worth money because we say they are.
That to me seems to negate itself. If it's worth something because we say it is, doesn't that make it worth something?
When TSHTF there are still going to be people looking to invest their extra resources and considering the history of silver and gold as solid investments I would imagine that prices of silver and gold would skyrocket.
Don't get me wrong, for day to day living, silver isn't worth jack, but as an investment during an economic collapse... seems reasonable;)
backtobasics
02-06-2009, 01:45 PM
I think things would have to go bad to a dagree that we are unlikely to see for silver or gold not to be worth something. With all the billions of people I'm sure many will start to rebuild. Even in a small town of 10,000 some sort of money would come in handy.
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 02:55 PM
After hurricane Katrina came through, we were without electricity for a period of time. Also without grocery stores, and gas was hard to come by. My paycheck came in and I felt better, until I realized that it did no good to have money with no place to buy groceries with it. Sit on your silver for the future, but in a SHTF situation, I would not be needing it as much as the general necessities.
backtobasics
02-06-2009, 03:10 PM
After hurricane Katrina came through, we were without electricity for a period of time. Also without grocery stores, and gas was hard to come by. My paycheck came in and I felt better, until I realized that it did no good to have money with no place to buy groceries with it. Sit on your silver for the future, but in a SHTF situation, I would not be needing it as much as the general necessities.
I agree but as time passes things come together. Eventually you did spend your paycheck right? Also if a person, after a disaster were to leave the area and go to a place with less damage, money would be very handy. I guess what I'm saying is it wouldn't hurt to have both money and supplies, and better to have silver and gold than paper.
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Ok, I did not say to toss your silver into the creek. I said to sit on it. Keep it until things get back to that point. I just do not believe that under total colapse, it would make a decent bartering item. If you say it's worth something, maybe it is to you, but if I need food, I am not going to want your silver, I am going to want food. I am not going to argue this point, it's useless. If you think it will help you, go fo it. Maxpower asked for an opinion, and here it is, smell and all. Thank you.
catfish10101
02-06-2009, 10:33 PM
I agree but as time passes things come together. Eventually you did spend your paycheck right? Also if a person, after a disaster were to leave the area and go to a place with less damage, money would be very handy. I guess what I'm saying is it wouldn't hurt to have both money and supplies, and better to have silver and gold than paper.
This was not an economic colapse either. Money was still worth something all over the United States and beyond. I knew I could use the money, I just had to make a serious roadtrip to do it. Also, utility bills and housenote, other bills, never stopped demanding money as payment. This situation was only a small temperairy shutdown, not a total colapse.
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