What are people thinking...Instant survival Mastery.

[Sourdough]

What is with the need for instant survival mastery....? It seems people want to read one small pamplet......or watch one 15 minute video.....then they have it mastered.

People rudely demand that strangers tell them the urgent answer to this or that survival question. Everything must be black or white and never gray.

How many would be interested in the subject if you said at the start, you will never master all survival skills. It is a way of life, like watching 5 1/2 hours of TV per day is a way of life. Give up TV and spend 5 1/2 hours per day practicing survival skills.

I just don't understand how people can expect to master something that takes years to learn if you are "LIVING" it, if you are "immersed" in it. And then you are only learning what is applicable to that environment.

If you spent your entire life studying survival for every region, elevation, weather, and thousands of possible combination variables, you would still have massive voids in your skill set.

[Nickjames]

hopeak, i can completely agree with you. I know that i may have asked question that i must have and you know who hasn't. But, you are right it is impossible to master this in 1 day it takes years and years to learn.
Nick

[A190]

Agreed to concept. IT takes years of reading, doing, thinking on and trying .

But ya dont really know till your in the middle of it.

Least thats how it was for me years ago.

[artofwoc]

It depends on the person...

For I can watch something being done.. and I can do it.. that is how my intelligence works.. if someones telling me by word how to do something I'm like ugh... can you show me?

[Nativedude]

I have been studying, practicing & living primitive living and wilderness survival skills for 34 years, and teaching those skills for almost 30 years. I still learn new things each and every day.

I have traveled all-around the world learning & living primitively and practicing my survival skills. And every location has taught me something new and on many occasions pushed me to my physical limits.

Anybody who claims to be a "Master of Survival" is a wannabe or a fool! There are no masters. There are many so-called "survival instructors" that I wouldn't give you a nickel for, then there are those that are worth their weight in gold.

I have taken out more than 5,000 people over the last 30 years, and every time I take a group out, I get at least one person that says; "I learned to do that (whatever I might be teaching a the time) a different way". My response is, "that's great", as there are many different ways to do things. So if they feel better about doing that particular thing the way they learned. . .go for it! Many times I have learned new ways to do things from my students. Life is a continual learning process.

As I often say, "I have been and I am enrolled in the school-of-life". Graduation day? The day I die! ;)

[Gray Wolf]

Well stated Nativedude.

[artofwoc]

"Anybody who claims to be a "Master of Survival" is a wannabe or a fool! There are no masters."

I beg to differ, and on your part I smell jealousy, perhaps I am wrong but there is survival masters..

There is masters in everything.. So in your own words why can't there be a master in survival?

[nell67]

artofwoc,why would he be jealous of anything,or anyone,he TEACHES wilderness skills,what do YOU do?? You can't conjur up mastery of the skills,it takes years of practice.

Now how about an intro?

[Pict]

There are survival masters, they're called "locals". They don't know they're experts though, so if you act nice and pay attention they will teach you for free. Mac

[artofwoc]

artofwoc,why would he be jealous of anything,or anyone,he TEACHES wilderness skills,what do YOU do?? You can't conjur up mastery of the skills,it takes years of practice.

Now how about an intro?
I watch and learn and do...

takes years for some but some people are just so ****ing intelligent that it doesn't take years... Einstein or any other multi billionaire intelligent success might die in the first day of wilderness survival..

There is only a certain kind of intelligent that can master survival...

[nell67]

I watch and learn and do...

takes years for some but some people are just so ****ing intelligent that it doesn't take years... Einstein or any other multi billionaire intelligent success might die in the first day of wilderness survival..

There is only a certain kind of intelligent that can master survival...
Kind of magically comes to you then,eh?

[laughing beetle]

If I were a gambling woman I would bet this is a troll....

[laughing beetle]

By the way, I agree 100% with you, Hopeak. You can never truly master anything.

[RBB]

There are survival masters, they're called "locals". They don't know they're experts though, so if you act nice and pay attention they will teach you for free. Mac

I'd agree with this.

[crashdive123]

Artofwoc, I'm interested in learning more about your watch it and master it method. How about conjuring up a spell that will take you to the Introductions sections. I mean, afterall if you don't, somebody could mistake you for one of them trolls that we keep hearing of - you know the ones - they usually have mohawk haircuts.

[pgvoutdoors]

Hopeak and Native Dude are on the mark. I've found that many people try to find a quick way to become an expert in things that take time to become experienced in.

I feel that there's people out there that can be considered masters of particular skills, but no one is a master of everything. A complete outdoorsman masters many skills and familiarizes himself with the remaining.

"Wilderness survival" is a situation, not a skill! To survive in the wilderness a person applies outdoor skills and a determined mental attitude. Primitive living skills may be apart of it but not all of it. It may also include the ability to use modern survival supplies and equipments. Experience in the field can make the biggest difference in surviving. For long term survival; hunting, fishing, and plant identification skills may be important. Navigation skills may get you out of a tough spot. Good first-aid skills may save a life.

Take your time and learn as many skills as possible. Go out and apply those skills, work with others, and experience the variables that each situation offers.

[artofwoc]

Artofwoc, I'm interested in learning more about your watch it and master it method. How about conjuring up a spell that will take you to the Introductions sections. I mean, afterall if you don't, somebody could mistake you for one of them trolls that we keep hearing of - you know the ones - they usually have mohawk haircuts.

Did I say I was a master at survival? no... and stalking my name on google is far worse then trolling.. and its not a mohawk its iroquois.. And what is wrong with some druidry and wizardy?

and if I was a troll I would be one sexy troll ;);):cool::p

[A190]

Did I say I was a master at survival? no... and stalking my name on google is far worse then trolling.. and its not a mohawk its iroquois.. And what is wrong with some druidry and wizardy?

and if I was a troll I would be one sexy troll ;);):cool::p
Well, I must say this thread is taking on the sureal aspect....................

Im not a survival expert. That doesnt mean I could take my lard butt into the wilds and do ok for a while. Do I know everything.............nope and that is why I have gravitated to this board. I have already gleaned some interesting ideas here and heard some concepts I had never thought about.................So keep it up guys, its working

[Leighman]

There is only a certain kind of intelligent that can master survival...

Not exactly.

As stated, few things in life can be "mastered."

The game of chess? Perhaps.

Unfortunately, finding yourself in the middle of a potentially life threatening situation ain't one of 'em.

Why?
Variables and lots of 'em!

To master ANYTHING, a person must know all the variables and have an appropriate plan to apply to EACH and EVERY variable in order to be successful.

A simple example:
Say you have "mastered" primitive fire-making with bow/drill. That's a great skill until you realize that your right arm is fractured. That one small variable of having a broken limb just sent your mastery of an important skill swirling down the toilet. Hopefully, plan "B" includes a method that can be accomplished with only one good arm.

[skunkkiller]

artofwoc you must be a troll if you can,t find the intro......

[nhCyclist]

PGV, I agree with the nuance you describe.

There is a difference between primitive living/bushcraft skills and surviving in the wilderness for a few days. Animals in general and humans in particular have a natural inclination toward staying alive, and this makes us find a way to make it happen - even if we don't have ALL the skills that some people on the board might have.

I tend to believe that survival is more about the mental (read deep survival) than skill based.

[pgvoutdoors]

I've read "Deep Survival" and I agree, you must have the will to survive first. Skills just improve your chances.

[tsitenha]

and its not a mohawk its iroquois

I am almost an Iroquois/Mohawk (3/4breed) look it up properly, learn
oh yes, we have many "hair styles"

A lot of specialties in bush living, many I will never "master" even if I see it.

1 mouth...2 ears....listen at least twice as much as talking, you learn more that way, so do we.

[RBB]

I've read "Deep Survival" and I agree, you must have the will to survive first. Skills just improve your chances.

Interesting thought. Cities rob my will to live.

It's bad enough here. Woods to the east and north, lake to the west, but I can see my neighbor's house to the south and I can make out a couple of places across the lake.

I wonder what it is about that - that bothers me?

[pgvoutdoors]

I don't know, maybe that closed in feeling?

[trax]

Seriously hopeak? cuz I didn't know a thing about wilderness survival til I came here and started reading.....OK, seriously, let them come and ask, but hopefully, the ones with zero or near zero experience take the advice of going out and trying things small scale first and building from there.

Whether or not a person is going "master" (or just let's say excel at) any skills in any given environment is going to depend on how much effort that person is willing to put forth. No one's going to master anything reading it here. I hope that some of the experienced member's advice encourages people to get out there, try a few things and they'll enjoy the experience. That will keep them going back for more. By the way it's a balmy -45 C here in Manitoba this morning, how's things in AK?

[DOGMAN]

I would say, just due to the vary nature of the word, that nobody has ever been or ever will be a "master of survival". Could a "master of survival" ever die? It seems to master survival, you'd have to master death.

You can be a master of bushcraft, or a master of outdoor skills- but if your a master of those environments- then spending a few nights lost out in wild places without appropriate gear- should not be a "survival situation" it would be just an exercise...or even another day at the office. A situation that you can thrive in is not a survival situation

A survival situation, is when a person is pushed to the brink of their existence. That one stroke of bad luck, or one tiny detail can lead to death. For some urban types a survival situation can be a night out lost in the wilds- one stroke of bad luck could lead to hypothermia or something similar and wham- they're dead.

For a person skilled in bushcraft, a survival situation, might be being half-conscious in an over-turned car perched on a cliff. One- stroke of bad luck will determine the outcome. This is a situation nobody is a master of...this is a survival situation.

[Sourdough]

By the way it's a balmy -45 C here in Manitoba this morning, how's things in AK?


Trax, Brisk -28* F here on the south shore of Turnagain Arm.

[Beans]

There are survival masters, they're called "locals". They don't know they're experts though, so if you act nice and pay attention they will teach you for free. Mac

Your 100% correct.


Take me out my element ( *desert country 2000- 5000 ft elevation) and I maybe could survive, IE: **Ice. Snow, Cold zero degrees or less. Put me back in my element (desert country) I could survive more easily.

However, I am not an expert, nor do I portray one on TV and I did not sleep in the Holiday Inn last night.:rolleyes:


* Lived in this type of area for 35 years
** grew up with winters like this.

[Beans]

Trax, Brisk -28* F here on the south shore of Turnagain Arm.

49 degrees F, light rain, overcast but it is clearing and getting warmer. in the Huachuca Mts of AZ

[davef]

How do you master a skill? Can you master a skill? You can practice it until it
becomes second nature to you, but does it mean that you've mastered that skill?

Process1: See ----> Master
Sorry, doesn't work!


Process2: See ----> Practice----> Obtain dexterity in a skill
This second process puts you on the road to becoming good at that particular skill.
The more Practice, the higher the level of skill.

As has been said on here many times, "you have to put in the dirt time".

[doug1980]

It's all about ego I think. I think Sarge said it that most of the people who end up lost still don't believe they are lost. That's ego and stupidity. Personally I think that if I ended up in a survival situation I could do fairly well in Southern Indiana, but that's where I'm comfortable. Up here I'm not so sure. No one will ever "Master" a skill such as this, and there will always be someone better. However, these days everyone has become lazy and want's immediate answers. That's why they join these forums, so as it may be a nuisance it is going to continue no matter what.

[nhCyclist]

However, these days everyone has become lazy and want's immediate answers. That's why they join these forums, so as it may be a nuisance it is going to continue no matter what.

Like it or not, in today's world, people turn to the internet for information. If they strike out, or can't find information they are looking for, they figure a forum (full of real live survival experts) may be a good source of answers.

Searching on this site doesn't work for me (maybe my computer is messed up), so they may not be able to find old threads and may resort to asking a question here.

My impression after being here for only a week is that most of the answers people provide are focused on insulting the poster and/or calling into question the probability that THEY would ever be in such a situation, thus making it a moot point.


Just an idea, maybe a thread for newbies looking for answers could be created. They are obviously interested in survival and are looking for direction. The thread could contain:
1. Suggested reading list (either books or websites) - Hell, partner with amazon so that the site could get revenue if people visit amazon via this site.
2. REPUTABLE survival instructors in different regions
3. Suggested first/next steps in their survival training
4. Suggestions for tools (axes, saw, knife, etc.) and contents for a survival kit.

[Sam]

I watch and learn and do...

takes years for some but some people are just so ****ing intelligent that it doesn't take years... Einstein or any other multi billionaire intelligent success might die in the first day of wilderness survival..

There is only a certain kind of intelligent that can master survival...

Wow I feel smarter just reading your posts. Thanks for sharing your insight.
-Sam

[chiye tanka]

Did I say I was a master at survival? no... and stalking my name on google is far worse then trolling.. and its not a mohawk its iroquois.. And what is wrong with some druidry and wizardy?

and if I was a troll I would be one sexy troll ;);):cool::p

I smell a TROLL!!!!
Artofwhatever, I'm pretty sure it's a mohawk. I'd ask Tsitenha, he ARE one, and what I was taught was that Iroquois is a French word for the Six Nations. Their name for themselves is Hodenoshonie, and I doubt I spelled it correctly.
I agree with ND, there are no masters. But why don't you surf the web and call some schools, the ones that say they are, are probably lying.

Oh yea, do an intro!

[RBB]

I don't know, maybe that closed in feeling?

Yah, could be, but I don't think it's reasonable.

[nell67]

Did I say I was a master at survival? no... and stalking my name on google is far worse then trolling.. and its not a mohawk its iroquois.. And what is wrong with some druidry and wizardy?

and if I was a troll I would be one sexy troll ;);):cool::p
Stalking? I hardly think anyone here could be bothered enough to stalk you,LMAO. Searching and stalking are 2 different things.

[RBB]

Masters: Used to know some "masters" when I worked in the building trades. They didn't know everything, just nearly everything. And when they ran into something they didn't know - they knew of something like it and were able to figure it out.

One thing about them - they had an intense interest in their subject.

[crashdive123]

Did I say I was a master at survival? no... and stalking my name on google is far worse then trolling.. and its not a mohawk its iroquois.. And what is wrong with some druidry and wizardy?

and if I was a troll I would be one sexy troll ;);):cool::p

1. A 20 second search to find out whom is trying to give advice to others is stalking in your book? Yeah, good luck with that.

2. Never said there was anything wrong with your (I'll go out on a limb here) hobby.

3. Remember, I've seen your picture....your last statement had me ROTFLMA)!!!!

[old soldier]

why does anyone even worry about surviving in the wilderness? this is 2009,not 1709.
there is nothing left in the wilderness for a human to survive on anymore, what little game is out there will be wiped out in 2 weeks if just half the people in America were to try to live out in the woods. with 305 million people here, in 2 weeks you wouldn't even find a grass snake after they got hungry.
I think a person should just know the basics,know how to build a fire,shoot some kind of a weapon,know some basic medical things. defend them selves and family, make a shelter, forget about living off the land, or eating out of a chuck wagon, start prepping with food,seeds and how to preserve them.(like yesterday) no matter where you are, get enough food for a couple yrs, the people that won't survive are the people that will running around thinking that they are Davy Crocket.
It'll be rough for people that live in big cities like LA,NY,Chicago but that's the way it is, always has been, from WW1 in Europe to the cities in the great depression, some country folks didn't even know about the depression unless they read about it.Anyone ever go to a big city and tell them that they should prep for an economic colaspse or civil unrest, truck strike,ect. they'ed have you commited. there are some people in cities that think they will just hop in the old PU, with a BOB and hit the sticks and live til everything is back to normal(what's normal anyway?) It is not that easy unless you know the locals or already own some land in the country, the next thing is getting out of the city.
nothing is going to happen over night, we're not going to just wake up one morning and find out that there is no gas,or no food,no utilities ect, I think we'll just go slowly from this recression to a depression and some won't even know it,others will be in the front lines, but at what point do you pack up and leave, when your neighbor is starving or do you wait til you've lost your job, the S won't HTF for everyone at the same time.

[nhCyclist]

old soldier,

Definition of survival differs for different people. I am interested in wilderness survival. This is because I do a lot of hiking and camping and want to be prepared in case something happens or goes wrong.

In that situation, I am only concerned about food for myself and won't be competing with the rest of the US population. Your point is taken though, in a serious society wide collapse -- wilderness survival will probably not be all that fruitful.

[tsitenha]

Nia:wen:, Bro, Nia:wen:

[Milfoil]

Adaptability often seems to be the key. Happily, I have never been in any really dangerous or difficult situations but as a child we certainly did learn to make do with and adapt all sorts of stuff which translates into survival ways of thinking if it ever became necessary.

Certain basics (lighting fires, obtaining fresh water, keeping dry, safe food and basic medical knowledge) take months to learn at best but if people want to show interest, take a first step etc then those who offer that are at least helping the beginners. There will always be those who want a quick fix, thats just human nature.

[Stairman]

I feel comfortable with my learned abilities to survive.I have not experienced extreme cold,but have the knowledge and will to endure because the opposite of surviving is dying.When it comes right down to it,its the most important aspect of life.Man is a fragile critter.No fur,no sharp claws,cant see at night,no real sprinting speed,and here we all are somehow.

[dbldrew]

What is with the need for instant survival mastery....? It seems people want to read one small pamplet......or watch one 15 minute video.....then they have it mastered.

People rudely demand that strangers tell them the urgent answer to this or that survival question. Everything must be black or white and never gray.

How many would be interested in the subject if you said at the start, you will never master all survival skills. It is a way of life, like watching 5 1/2 hours of TV per day is a way of life. Give up TV and spend 5 1/2 hours per day practicing survival skills.

I just don't understand how people can expect to master something that takes years to learn if you are "LIVING" it, if you are "immersed" in it. And then you are only learning what is applicable to that environment.

If you spent your entire life studying survival for every region, elevation, weather, and thousands of possible combination variables, you would still have massive voids in your skill set.

Just out of curiosity, who are you talking about? Is it someone on this forum? I don’t follow all of the threads here but I don’t seem to remember anybody claming to be a master at anything, nor do I remember anyone rudely demanding info. Is this a general “the kids of today” rant or is there something specific that I missed?

[sniperfx]

the only master of nature is mother nature. you f%$# with her long enough, and she will take you down. one way or another. the best anyone can do is be the best as they can be at it and try to do the right thing. LIKE BEAR GRILLIS!!!! just kidding. dont shoot. just trying to bring some levity to the boards.

[Nativedude]

Old soldier wrote:why does anyone even worry about surviving in the wilderness? this is 2009,not 1709.
there is nothing left in the wilderness for a human to survive on anymore, what little game is out there will be wiped out in 2 weeks if just half the people in America were to try to live out in the woods. with 305 million people here, in 2 weeks you wouldn't even find a grass snake after they got hungry.[/b]

Old Soldier is on the right track. While there is an abundance of game throughout the U.S., It wouldn't take long for most species to become extinct. Although, of the estimated 300 million people here, 2/3 are vegetarians. So, that would leave more game for those of us that actually use our chompers for their intention. . .EATING MEAT! Us omnivores will sustain, prosper and remain in much better shape than the others.

I, at every opportunity, stock up on the supplies I need to self-sustain for approx. 5-6 years. Beans, sugar, water, flour, rice, dried fruits; bananas, apples (4 varieties), apricots, papaya, coconut, etc., all the staples. I buy the dry goods in 50# bags and the fruit by the crate twice a year.

I made 50 gal. barrels from cedar. All sealed to keep moisture out and I store them in my cache. My cache is in amongst the spruce trees so the barrels remain cool and don't get direct sun or heat, which keeps the food stable for a longer period of time. I rotate the bags as I get them and use about a bag in about a 6 month time period. The crates of fruit I cut up, dry, and store in sealed jars (I use the canning process to seal them) and store them in barrels in my cache as well.

All-in-all, as I stated earlier, I have about a 5-6 year supply on hand. With meat, I hunt during the hunting season and fish during the summer & fall. I smoke or salt the meat & fish and it stores in my cache just fine.

1 Caribou = 6 mo. worth of meat
1 Salmon = 4-6 meals per person


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Also, if there were a break/shut down of society - the social structure and/or the "grid", you have to take into account that 50 -70% of the population would perish. They would perish from:

1.) fear
2.) lack of knowledge/experience of what to do
3.) laziness
4.) sickness/disease
5.) loss of the will to survive/sustain
6.) strife (armed and/or unarmed)
7.) survival of the fittest and most prepared

So the human/animal relationship would be a more rational balance.


Sniperfx wrote: The only master of nature is mother nature. you f%$# with her long enough, and she will take you down. one way or another.

Right on Sniperfx. Mother Nature is the Grand Damme, and she will hurt you if you do not respect her and her domain. I see people quite often that think that they can best her. . .wrong! She will win every time if you mess with her. She has the power to giveth, as well as, taketh away, and can do so in the blink of an eye!

[Ziggy]

...that nothing can be mastered just by watching and doing, however there are probably as many people who come here to learn as to teach.

I also think that mastery is a moving target. Any true master will teach what they know (many times unintentionally), and freely admit that they have a lot to learn themselves.

Like most combat veterans don't spend a lot of time telling you how 'bad' they are, most people who have been in a true survival situation don't see it as that until it's over, and then don't think much about it other than it was a bad day/week/month.

[Runs With Beer]

Remember, In the end only the strong Will survive.

[tsitenha]

Dang it all I thought I had a chance :eek:

[mcfd45]

Hopeak I agree with you 100%. But what interests me is why we want to "master" skills with such short time? Is our life that quick paced that we can't take the time to learn how to do it right? I would rather spend 10 minutes on learning and doing it right then just googling it and doing it once and not retaining the knowledge. And art of windbag, several studies have found that by doing something 100 times it will become second nature. If you need proof look at the jobs we do everyday. Whether it is sam cooking up the new menu and having to look at the guidebook for the first couple times, or me doing my paperwork for the first 100 times. We both didn't accustom ourselves to doing a certain task until we did it repeatedly.
Jeff

[TDG]

Yes you're right Hopeak. You can't learn to survive in the wilderness by learning all survival skills by heart. You need to practice them yourself.

Everyone does things in his own way, so you can ask for help but you'll have to master the skills yourself.

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