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doug1980

12-22-2008, 01:39 AM

I have heard and read conflicting info on this subject. I have heard that it is best to be as close to the ground as possible so wind won't get under you making you colder. But if you are on the ground then you have to deal with bugs and moisture. So which is better? On or off the ground.

Gray Wolf

12-22-2008, 02:28 AM

Doug, there are a few variables, like location, season, what kind of shelter/or none, current weather conditions, location of the shelter options, etc.

SARKY

12-22-2008, 02:44 AM

In the tropics you generally want to be off the ground. In temperate or arctic you generally want to on the ground but insulated from it. yuor shelter should be low enough to shed wind but tall enough for you to be comfortable in it. As I said these are generalities, the actual conditions you are in will dictate your actual shelter requirements.

wareagle69

12-22-2008, 07:34 AM

well in pheonix in the desert i liked to be off the ground just so to stay away from the wigglies, now here in the north i like to be on the ground with some pine needles or fresh boughs underneath o me and a nice tight shelter to stay warm

skunkkiller

12-22-2008, 11:25 AM

fresh pine boughs is when you insluat you are getting your self off the ground .they say for health resaons you should be 18 '' off the ground never had any problems but thats what the books say . my self i use bough my self here in southern wisconsin but in the south i would mose likely want be higher off the ground.

primeelite

12-22-2008, 12:04 PM

Like everyone else has said I always heard in a warm climate off the ground and a cold climate you want on the ground but still have some type of protection from large animals or create some type of alert system. In a cold climate you really don't have to worry as much about the poisonous bugs and snakes as you would in the warm climate so really only worry is animals.

MCBushbaby

12-22-2008, 12:36 PM

Boughs don't need to be fresh, in fact a pile of dry sticks will work just as well, albeit less comfortable. Given the choice of cutting up a fresh sapling or gathering some debris, I'll take the latter. I only go for the former in the winter when there is no debris to be had. The idea remains the same either way - insulate yourself from the ground and maintain that dead air pocket under you.

doug1980

12-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Thanks everyone. I kinda figured there would not be one answer for all situations. Guess everything is like that in a survival situation. Best bet is to be well versed in all types of terrain, locations, seasons and so on.

tsitenha

12-22-2008, 05:19 PM

Off the immediate ground whether on a platform, a hamock, but always a layer on isolation, insulation in between myself and the "freshness" and moisture and critters.

snakeman

12-22-2008, 07:09 PM

Under 60 degrees you should probably always go on the ground. I do a lot of hammock camping and the air underneath you can get a lot colder than you think. good insulation underneath you on the ground is much better. Even in warm weather I would probably sleep on the ground just so i dont use a day building a swamp bed. i would only sleep airborn if i was in wet ground orin a jungle where everthing crwling on you is poisinous.

flandersander

12-22-2008, 11:08 PM

they don't teach much about survuval in the air force do they? I've heard this from a few people.

doug1980

12-22-2008, 11:12 PM

they don't teach much about survuval in the air force do they? I've heard this from a few people.

Unless you are a pilot or survival instructor they don't teach squat about survival. Got plenty of first-aid though. Oh and there are a few E&E and map reading training programs online that we can do. Of course reading it and actually doing it are totally different.

crashdive123

12-22-2008, 11:13 PM

they don't teach much about survuval in the air force do they? I've heard this from a few people.

Are you being serious?

dougz

12-22-2008, 11:34 PM

I heard off the ground was best..

Well, on the ground with a good insulator btw. you and ground (spruce boughs)..

flandersander

12-23-2008, 02:17 AM

Are you being serious?

I noticed doug was an airforce staff seargeant. I was just curious to see how much survival "stuff" they teach. So yes i was being serious.

crashdive123

12-23-2008, 09:00 AM

I noticed doug was an airforce staff seargeant. I was just curious to see how much survival "stuff" they teach. So yes i was being serious.

Maybe it was the way you asked. Sorry for my confusion. I don't mean to speak for my Air Force Veteran friends that are here, but yes, the Air Force has and teaches a survival school. As with other branches of the services, one's "job" will dictate the type of training they recieve. Klkak has had and taught a bit of this training and can probably give you more details.

Pict

12-23-2008, 09:51 AM

In the lowland forests where the ground is covered with ants, and centipedes, and termites, and spiders, and snakes, and roaches, and smells like rotting mulch... off the ground. We use either a hammock or a bush-bed made of saplings but the idea is to get away from the ground.

In open country you could do either. There are small groves of trees that are great for hammocks, but also many large rocks with overhangs that are great as windbreaks. In the open country it depends on the weather. During rainy season (summer) it is much better to get off the ground and under a large tarp. During dry season (winter) there is an abundance of dry grass and the main problem is getting out of the wind. Under such conditions it is best to set up in the lee of a cliff face and use it as a fire reflector.

Up in the mountains there is no choice as you can't find two trees together to hang a hammock or anything straight enough to build with. I actually teach that you should harvest a pole in the lowlands to use as a walking stick that can be added to your improvised shelter. You just won't find decent shelter materials above 4500 feet. Up there your main objective is to find a sheltered space in the rocks. Mac

Ole WV Coot

12-23-2008, 11:07 AM

I want really cold weather for this area before I even get close to the ground. In warmer weather I have snoozed on an atv hanging over or feet propped up with a tarp covering the whole thing. If I am on the ground I don't want the tongue in my ear to be a snake when I wake up, then have the "big one"

doug1980

12-23-2008, 01:07 PM

Maybe it was the way you asked. Sorry for my confusion. I don't mean to speak for my Air Force Veteran friends that are here, but yes, the Air Force has and teaches a survival school. As with other branches of the services, one's "job" will dictate the type of training they recieve. Klkak has had and taught a bit of this training and can probably give you more details.

It's ok crash I get it all the time. Most people think the Air Force is a joke. I admit that the training in some areas are far less than other branches, of course that's to be expected. When I was preparing for my last deployment I trained with the Army for 2 months since I would be attached with them in theater. We did a lot of survival training, E&E, self-aid and buddy care, and can't forget weapons drills. But for my actual job as a Civil Engineer we spend more time on learning our job. There is no Infantryman first mentality in the A.F. We are trained to defend our position, being our base or the airfield. Hope that paints a better picture of what the Air Force is and does.

wudshapr

12-23-2008, 07:01 PM

i don't think the air force has poor survival instruction, but inside the air force survival manual I have, one could easily mistake it for a badly drawn comic book. IT has some good info, but the images are laughable. Do they make sub-standard re-prints of the field manuals available to the services? I couldn't answer that, but if handed the manual I have, in a situation where I was walking (flying) into a potential survival scenario, I would be have to question the supposed assumption I was to walk out of the situation alive. Dead men don't talk.
As for the topic question, it is completely dependent on the situation. IN the extreme cold, not only would I want to be on the ground, but I would seek a hole or divot, to get as low as possible. Kayaking through the 10,000 island chain of south Florida, and give me a chickee hut. I want to be up in the air, especially since the tide ruined our camp in the keys while we slept last September. Never again. :o

minuteman

12-25-2008, 08:42 PM

You lose alot of your body heat from the ground. Its best to put some type of insulation between you and the ground to prevent loss of body heat. Leaves etc. can make excellent insulation. As far as whats better, sleeping on or above ground, I would have to say that for me it would depend entirely upon my situation. In most situations I would still sleep on the ground ( with insulation ).:cool:

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