Hawaii in a eotwawki scenario

[owl_girl]

What do you think it would be like on the island of kauaii to be spacific if things got wors or when were in another great depression? Ive never been to any of the islands befor but from research I know Kauai is one of the more wild islands with lots of deep natural forest. I am asking becuase I am going and Im not sure how long Im staying and this was a thought of mine when considering to go though its not the reason im going. My first reaction was to think being traped on a island especeally one thats populated, well known, small, and one thats the most isolated land masses in the world in a eotwawki scenario or a great depression scenario was stupid "who would do that?" I thought. But then I remembered somthing volwest/remy was talking abbout how many people often have the same plans and ideas of where to go and what to do when thing go wrong. If everyone went to Alaska or Canada to get away from people that might not be the best idea and I know Ive heard many people on this forum say thats where they plan to go. you migh have more company then you planed on the way there and when you get there. Its completely predictable so if your avoiding the gov that might not be the easyest way. However I never hear enyone say anything about hawaii in thees scenarios dispite its abundance of wild food (feral chicens, goats, hogs, deer and wild fish, seafood, birds, and fruit and other wild edibles), mild climate, fresh water, and even though its not that big it is covered in a lot of forest. Kauai isnt as populated as the other main islands and looks more pristeen then Maui or Oahu. I dont really know if Aalaska would be that bad an idea but there are some things to think about. And I dont really know where the best place would be or what hawaii would be like or what anywhere would be like. I can only try to make some what educated gusses. What do you think?

[Sourdough]

Two months of winter down, nine months of winter left to go. -3* below just now, yea how bad can it be....? I just don't know how far an Owl can fly non-stop, you might make it. In a SHTF one would want the Big Island full of Prime Beef, as in "The King Ranch".

[owl_girl]

lol winter up there was 6 months. But yea that sucks. Theres lots of food on Kauai like I said deer, hog, goat, chicken, other birds, fish, fruit, cocnuts, other stuff I dont know about. I wouldnt want or need beef it would be to much work to harvest and it is to much food for 2 people to eat fast enough for it to not rot sicne there is no winter to freez it and though I could smoke it it would be a lot of unnecessary time and work. It would be dif if I was feeding a tribe but even then it would be unnecessary since the hawaiian tribes thrived without beef.

[crashdive123]

Owl Girl - I spent a lot of time on Kauai back in the 70's (lived on Oahu). It is IMO the prettiest of the islands in the chain. My roomate was originally from Kauai. Back then, they catered to the tourists pretty well. There was only one traffic light on the island, no buildings over 3 stories..... Now I'm sure that a lot has changed since I was there. One thing that may not have changed - sugar cane was the second largest cash crop. Secong to marijuana. The more remote (and beautiful) parts of the island were well protected be well armed people. Like I said, a lot has probably changed.

One thing to note - if I remember right - Kauai has the heaviest annual rainfall of anywhere in the world. Not the entire island, but one particular mountain - makes for some interesting flash floods.

Several years ago after a bad typhoon hit, the US Navy brought one of their submarines into port and basically ran a realllllllllly big extension cord to power the esential services on the entire island.

[owl_girl]

Thats really cool crashdive. Do you miss it? If I could Id go to samoa which has very few tourist ant looks so beautiful but I couldnt aford the flight but mabe somday

[crashdive123]

I loved the time I spent there. I would suggest (as Hope already did) that a visit to the Big Island would be in order. Volcanoes National Park is truely an awesome spectacle.

[owl_girl]

maybe ill visit the BI some time but for now I wont have the money. Do you know if its cheaper to go from one islant to another by boat or plane?

[crashdive123]

I know I'll be dating myself with this, but in the 70's it was about $20 or $25 round trip from Oahu to Kauai.

[crashdive123]

Just checked the Hawaiian Airlines site. Looks like you can do a round trip flight from Oahu to Kauai for about $75. It's about a 20 minute flight. You may be able to get on with a dive or fishing charter to get dropped off. I knew of a few people doing that - kind of worked for their keep - making sure the tourists got bait, etc......but that was quite some time ago.

[backtobasics]

I lived in Hawaii from 1973 to 1978. My mother was born there and we have lots of family on the big Island. Most all the cane feilds are gone. My mothers uncle has a macadamia nut farm and says that the wild pigs are out of control over there. He has lost whole crops to them. Personally I think Hawaii would be one of the easier places to survive, well for that matter any tropical island with fresh water.

[klkak]

What do you think it would be like on the island of Kauai to be specific if things got worse or in another great depression?

State sanctioned cannibalism.:eek:

(soilent green)

[Ole WV Coot]

Have a cuz that runs a hospital on one of the islands. Nice to visit but I could do better anywhere in the Appalachian chain, but that's me.

[Rick]

I guess the advantage would be it's isolated and an island. The problem with it would be it's isolated and an island. (shrug)

I like the option of being able to run long distances if things get really bad. Not that I CAN run long distances. I just like the option.

[foodstr2]

I've been to Hawai'i twice. Once on a ship to the Philippines in 1960 (where I lived 4 years), and once on a plane enroute to the Tonga Islands in 1975 (where I lived 2 years).

In the tropics, the biggest danger is from food FALLING on you ... particularly coconuts. But there are also mangoes to watch out for, maybe guava. (You could also impale yourself on a pineapple, by accident....)

It's a very different life from what we have in the lower 48. It's hard to starve, but the "time on your hands" can get tedious.

One tip: On our trip to Tonga, we flew International, through Fiji and it cost some $4,000. On our return, we flew from Tonga to American Samoa, and THAT made the balance of the return trip a DOMESTIC flight, which cost about 1/2.

Best regards,

Bruce

[Gray Wolf]

Soilent Green

Good movie (and book). Way ahead of it's time... And that time may be coming in some countries, and who would know in a country whose government can keep things a secret?

[Arsey]

Sounds like a good idea Owl Girl, the only thing I would put into the discussion is that if you are thinking about it from a true 'survival - weighing up the pros & cons' point of view then you would have to consider the possibility of being wiped out by volcanic activity and/or Tsunami. Both very real threats to survival.

We would like to go to New Zealand and are having the same quandary.

[owl_girl]

i thought about volcanic activity. not much or anything happening on kauai if i remember right. if im on high ground tsunami shouldnt be a prob.

[owl_girl]

In the tropics, the biggest danger is from food FALLING on you ... particularly coconuts. But there are also mangoes to watch out for, maybe guava. (You could also impale yourself on a pineapple, by accident....)


i never knew me nonanimal food could be such a danger to me lol really though thanks for the heads up. ive heard of coconut being a prob but i dont know much about it, ahhh ill be such a gree horn!!!

[crashdive123]

Just don't put your sleeping roll beneath a coconut tree and you'll be fine.

[klkak]

Crash you ever been to Guam? They have these giant crab there that could snap your foot off with their pincers.

[crashdive123]

Did several patrols out of Guam. Never saw any giant crabs. Lot's of Stone Fish though. Most of my free time was spent diving or boonie stomping.

[klkak]

Did several patrols out of Guam. Never saw any giant crabs. Lot's of Stone Fish though. Most of my free time was spent diving or boonie stomping.

I took leave once and went to Guam to visit a friend. We went to his father-in-laws farm. One night we was sitting around a bonfire enjoying the night when I felt something touch my back. I turned and looked behind me and almost crapped my shorts when I saw a crab as big around as a car tire. My friends mother-in-law said it was a pet.:eek::confused: I did not sleep that night. The next day I couldn't get back to billeting on base fast enough.:D

[crashdive123]

I honestly had not heard of them. Probably a good thing......would have given me nightmares....

Especially if it's these that you are talking about. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/a-giant-spider-that-can-crack-a-coconut-no-its-a-crab.html

[owl_girl]

Crash you ever been to Guam? They have these giant crab there that could snap your foot off with their pincers.

that looks like a big dinner to me:D

[owl_girl]

I know nothing about Hawaii, but I would try and find out how the locals feel about outsiders. I don’t know when you are planning on going but if it’s your bug out spot the locals may not be that friendly to outsiders during a TSHTF scenario.
good point. im going on the 8th so theres no terning back now. if i can contribute i would think they wouldnt mind me put i dont really know. i might just try to stay away from people if tshtf anyways though. it would really depend.

[klkak]

I took leave once and went to Guam to visit a friend. We went to his father-in-laws farm. One night we was sitting around a bonfire enjoying the night when I felt something touch my back. I turned and looked behind me and almost crapped my shorts when I saw a crab as big around as a car tire. My friends mother-in-law said it was a pet.:eek::confused: I did not sleep that night. The next day I couldn't get back to billeting on base fast enough.:D

Yep, thats the monster I saw on Guam. The one I saw was a different color but about the same size.

[Rick]

Man! I saw a SciFi flick about those things once. Killer Crabs from Outer Space or something like that. Yeeeeooooow!

[backtobasics]

good point. im going on the 8th so theres no terning back now. if i can contribute i would think they wouldnt mind me put i dont really know. i might just try to stay away from people if tshtf anyways though. it would really depend.


With most locals you just have to gain their trust, but then there are the others.

[crashdive123]

Like I said, it has been quite a few years since I've been there. As backtobasics said, gaining their trust is big. As with visiting any new culture this is an important part of "surviving". Many of the locals view Haoles (whites) with a bit of distrust, but do realize that the tourist industry is one of the main businesses. While English is the language, locals have developed their own sort of language (Pidgeon English). The drug culture (and protection) was very big, especially in the more remote areas. Again this was quite a while ago and things may have changed a lot. I never once had any issues with any locals while living there. I knew many that did. I think the big difference was that I worked to fit into their culture, and did not expect them to fit into mine. Enjoy your trip. It truely is a beautiful place. .....and remember - pictures - we need pictures.

[Rick]

I saw a special on tsunami's some time back that said Hawaii is expected to generate one of the largerst tsunamis. Some mountain is separating and sliding off into the Pacific Ocean. If I recall correctly, it's only a matter of time before it does unleashing a tsunami headed for the West Coast.

[crashdive123]

While there is a lot of volcanic activity in the islands that could generate a tsunami, I'll bet that the threat of a tsunami hittining the Hawaiian Islands is probably even higher. Afterall, they're smack dab in the middle of the "Ring of Fire".

[Arsey]

Exactly my point crash.
I really do think it is worthy of further thought.
Global warming or whatever is making our weather more and more extreme. If what they say about Nabiru, Nubira, Planet x is correct then it will only get worse and if you mean to survive then these will be huge factors to contend with.
Being directly on the ring of fire must surely up the chances of volcanic activity somewhat?

[crashdive123]

While I'm probably not the one to discuss global warming (I do not believe in manmade global warming, but that's another discussion).....the Hawaiian Islands were born out of volcanic activity. While the Big Island (Hawaii) has active volcanoes, I don't think the others do at this time. That's not to say they can't or won't. I'm not sure what your Nubira, Planet x reference is about (remember, sometimes I catch on, but slow sometimes)

[Rick]

Yawn - I remember some parts of the '60s. I think I was in a purple haze when someone mentioned planet X. It's all so confusing now. But the best I remember is has to do with a NASA cover up about a planet that will pass close to us. Populated by a race of reptiles (or did I dream that? Never mind. Makes a good story). It takes us right back to that monster thread that never seems to die about 2012 when the Presidential race that year will cause the end of humanity as we know it.

Somewhere on planet X a lonely reptile is typing on his computer about a mysterious planet Earth that their government is covering up.

2012 is the end I tell you!! It's when all the sewers on earth back up at once!

[Ole WV Coot]

I took leave once and went to Guam to visit a friend. We went to his father-in-laws farm. One night we was sitting around a bonfire enjoying the night when I felt something touch my back. I turned and looked behind me and almost crapped my shorts when I saw a crab as big around as a car tire. My friends mother-in-law said it was a pet.:eek::confused: I did not sleep that night. The next day I couldn't get back to billeting on base fast enough.:D

Just wondering, can you buy shotgun shells loaded with blue ointment? :confused: If not how do you kill those things?:eek:

[klkak]

Just wondering, can you buy shotgun shells loaded with blue ointment? :confused: If not how do you kill those things?:eek:

Maybe if you loaded them yourself. I have know idea how you would kill one of those things and I ain't going back there to figure it out either.

[Arsey]

Regardless of whether a rock of any size with or without reptile pilots will pass close to us or not........LOL.
When a volcano goes bang it puts lots of stuff up in the air. That stuff lands on the ground and covers everything. It makes things hard to keep alive. It makes water undrinkable.
It also spewes hot lava about which I heard is not very nice.
In terms of thinking about ones survival....I think it's probably worth considering.
The volcano wouldn't, I imagine, need to be right next door to you.
Remember Mt. St Helens and the amount of cr+p it threw up. That cloud traveled the world in the jet stream and affected all weather systems.
So yeah, I'd probably put a wee bit more thought into it, if it was me.

[trax]

Just wondering, can you buy shotgun shells loaded with blue ointment? :confused: If not how do you kill those things?:eek:

OK Dad, that was just friggin' horrible...NOT those kind of CRABS!!:D :D

[Ole WV Coot]

OK Dad, that was just friggin' horrible...NOT those kind of CRABS!!:D :D

Sorry Son, just couldn't let that one go past me. I will try to read the whole thing and maybe :rolleyes:I can do a little better. Sorry I just.......never mind, I'll go back to the home now.:confused:

[trax]

No worries Pop, folks 'round here will forgive a little fo pah, and if they don't ....screw 'em. :D

[Rick]

And I'm thinkin', what the he** does blue salve have to do with those monster crabs in Guam? I'm runnin' on "slow" tonight.

[nell67]

Can't wait to hear your reply when you catch up!Anybody want to explain it to Rick,cuz I ain't havin' "the talk" with him.

[crashdive123]

Rick - think smaller - and throw away the razor, lighter fluid and ice pick.

[Rick]

Well, the light bulb went on when Trax posted. Until then I though Coot was into the apple cider.:D

[crashdive123]

Did a little more reading on Coconut Crabs. Not sure how they taste, but most recipies called for boiling, steaming or grilling. Now, picking one up to boil, steam or grill might be an entirely different matter. Here's a link with a few more pics (along with Alaskan King Crabs) - at least the King Crabs live in water - Coconut crabs do not. http://www.hemmy.net/2007/09/23/giant-coconut-and-alaskan-king-crabs/

[tonester]

Crash you ever been to Guam? They have these giant crab there that could snap your foot off with their pincers.

holy crap! that is one ugly son of a gun!

[Rick]

Yeah, but his momma thinks he's purty.

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