What not to do

[backtobasics]

I've read a lot of threads on how to do this and that. What i would like to know is what not to do in a survival situation. Or what not to do when setting up a camp or building a shelter. What not to do when foraging for food.

[wildWoman]

Don't panic and don't make any serious mistakes.

[crashdive123]

Can you be a bit more specific? I can probably think of 10,000 ways how NOT TO hit a curve ball, but......

[nell67]

Can you be a bit more specific? I can probably think of 10,000 ways how NOT TO hit a curve ball, but......

or how not to slip on moss and dive into the water,eh splash?:D

[crashdive123]

or how not to slip on moss and dive into the water,eh splash?:D

Yeah but on that one I became a quick study. I may need to practice some more (note to self.....start saving for a new camera.....underwater type):D:D

[nell67]

Yeah but on that one I became a quick study. I may need to practice some more (note to self.....start saving for a new camera.....underwater type):D:D

Smart move!:p

[Sourdough]

The older I get, the more I think be for every action. Like jacking up a building to level it. Now if I just reach in and grab that......well if the jack slips I will die here with my right arm (and knife in sheath on right side) pinned under building. So, I look it over and decide to block it just in case. I think the only answer is think first. For every action there is a wrong action, choose wisely.

[wildWoman]

The older I get, the more I think be for every action. Like jacking up a building to level it.

I find the advantages of a sloping floor are so great, I'd never jack it up...whatever you drop always rolls into the same corner and whatever you spill can easily be wiped up without any efforts on your part by placing a cloth at the lowest point of the floor.

[Sourdough]

nurture the relationship with those "Things" call them Angels, Muse's, Guides, etc. that little voice that Say's "You'll be sorry" or "Doing that is really STUPID, and you have a 84% chance of death.......stupid".

[Sarge47]

1st, what is your age? Here's a brief list of what NOT to do:

Do NOT fail to study everything you can on the subject at hand!
Do NOT fail to practice what you've studied in the field!
Do NOT fail to listen to those with more experience!
Do NOT fail to BE PREPARED!!!!!!!:eek:
Do NOT fail to S.T.O.P.! (Sit, Think< Observe, Plan.)

Remember, people do NOT plan to FAIL...people FAIL to plan!:cool:

[backtobasics]

I'm 43 and i do have some survival skills already. I am careful and do tend to think things out. I just thought that some hear may have some stories about that time when they did this or that and they learned the hard way that they shouldn't have. You know like building a fire under a snow coverd tree limb etc..

[crashdive123]

Well then, Nell hit it right on the head.:) Post #72 of this thread http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4466&page=4

[Bibow]

don't eat yellow snow. if you melt it for water it won't be lemonade.

[crashdive123]

TrapperRick may disagree:eek::eek:;)

[Sarge47]

I'm 43 and i do have some survival skills already. I am careful and do tend to think things out. I just thought that some hear may have some stories about that time when they did this or that and they learned the hard way that they shouldn't have. You know like building a fire under a snow coverd tree limb etc..
They're all over this forum...do your homework!:cool:

[backtobasics]

They're all over this forum...do your homework!:cool:

Well if i do my homework and use the search all the time none of us here will ever have anything to talk about.

[FVR]

What not to do:

Cross a stream, up over your knees, with your mocs, socs, and leggins on. Take them off and deal with the cold water.

Spent a long, cold night in late Dec. trying to dry out mocs, socs, and leggins. Darn things froze and getting them on the next day was a terror.

[Sarge47]

Well if i do my homework and use the search all the time none of us here will ever have anything to talk about.
That's a bogus reason, I got your number now. You want survival stories? Well here's mine; I survived my 1st marriage, alcohol & drug abuse, and am now married again. Don't you get it yet? Homework is required if you want previous information. I've posted several, as have others. Then there's the occaisional Troll who sneaks in, asks for Survival stories so's he can hijack them off to another forum. DO YOUR FREAKIN' HOMEWORK!!!:cool:

[HOP]

Leave your mastercard at home, leave your toilet paper at home drink untreated water in the wild without treating it, leave extra underwear at home , wear flipflops, leave food, water fire makers and brain at home make friends with the bears and lions and a skunk or twoor whatever you do take advice from Bear Gryls.

[backtobasics]

That's a bogus reason, I got your number now. You want survival stories? Well here's mine; I survived my 1st marriage, alcohol & drug abuse, and am now married again. Don't you get it yet? Homework is required if you want previous information. I've posted several, as have others. Then there's the occaisional Troll who sneaks in, asks for Survival stories so's he can hijack them off to another forum. DO YOUR FREAKIN' HOMEWORK!!!:cool:

Lighten up Sarge47. If you don't want me to ask you question i won't. I don't know you but so far you don't sound very friendly. Or maybe this subject has been coverd over and over, I don't no I'm new here. I have no problem with home work, I've been doing it for quite some time now. Just thought i would register and maybe get a coversation going.

[Sarge47]

Lighten up Sarge47. If you don't want me to ask you question i won't. I don't know you but so far you don't sound very friendly. Or maybe this subject has been covered over and over, I don't no I'm new here. I have no problem with home work, I've been doing it for quite some time now. Just thought i would register and maybe get a conversation going.
What do you think everyone's trying to tell you? You're about the 5th person in the last few months that post a topic, then want's "War stories". They've been done to death! Check out my blogs & use the search feature, that's what it's there for. Also, I'm not here to be "friendly", & this is not a "chat" room. If you've practiced, studied, etc. then the odds are very good that you'll never have to go through a "Survival" scenario. That's what you want. to never, ever, go through one, Okay? On top of that, some of the best Survival stories have come from members who are no longer here or from the News media. Check it out! It takes awhile to get people here to warm up to you sometimes; get used to it!:cool:

[wildWoman]

You'll notice how some on this forum will periodically go through something like pms, the male version though, us gals are completely harmless and well-balanced. Worst case, there's the "ignore" button.

[backtobasics]

I wasn't looking for war stories, and there is no excuse for rudeness. I don't care what a persons standing in the community is. From now on I'll use the search and when i get the info I'm looking for I'll be gone. I was trying to partisapate, aparently I'm not welcome. So have a good one this should be the last you hear from me. And remember this site is not the only site with good survival info. You guys are just to smart for me:rolleyes:. This is not the type of forum i want to be a part of.

[Sourdough]

Just start talking about "Survival Knives", and everyone will love you....... well, a bunch anyway. It could have been worse, had you attacked Nell. The last guy to attempt a Nell attack, got buried in a canteen.

[HOP]

I agree that rudeness should not be the primary purpose of making a post in a thread and don't think it is conducive to giving out advice . To moderate is more about calming the waters and advising on the rules than starting a fight and choosing a side base on personnal animosity or someone elses behavior.

[tsitenha]

What not to do is leave, never surrender to emotions, wait till the head clears and the heart calms and...hey that what to do in the bush also. go figure:D

[Dennis K.]

Do NOT fail to study everything you can on the subject at hand!
Do NOT fail to practice what you've studied in the field!
Do NOT fail to listen to those with more experience!
Do NOT fail to BE PREPARED!!!!!!!:eek:
Do NOT fail to S.T.O.P.! (Sit, Think< Observe, Plan.)

Remember, people do NOT plan to FAIL...people FAIL to plan!:cool:

An excellent list!
I would also add:
Do NOT fail to pass up the opportunity to shut up.

[Sarge47]

I wasn't looking for war stories, and there is no excuse for rudeness. I don't care what a persons standing in the community is. From now on I'll use the search and when i get the info I'm looking for I'll be gone. I was trying to partisapate, aparently I'm not welcome. So have a good one this should be the last you hear from me. And remember this site is not the only site with good survival info. You guys are just to smart for me:rolleyes:. This is not the type of forum i want to be a part of.
It's hard to tell rudeness from firmness just from a post & I assure you that rudeness was NOT my intent. I do, however, speak my mind & don't stutter. So saying just let me add that if you're that thin-skinned then perhaps else-where is the best place for you. :eek: It takes a tough hide to Survive; & one thing you'll NOT want to do is let someone else get your goat. :rolleyes: Remember, you have to be able to take a lot to Survive.:cool:

[backtobasics]

I said i would not respond, but now i feel i need to. A person is not thin skined just because they want others to show them some respect. As for being tough enough for survival, I 've probably done more than many here. What the longest you've gone without T.V., internet, electricity, and indoor plumbing? I've personally gone years. Not days, not weeks, years. That means more than one. You have no idea who your talking to. By the way i don't studder either, but I do try to show people respect. Kind of like what I'm doing here with you.

[crashdive123]

Backtobasics - hope you decide to stay around. I know that you were looking for what not to do in a survival situation......but.....don't take anybody too serious on the internet until you get to know them. Like I said, hope you stay around.

[nell67]

Just start talking about "Survival Knives", and everyone will love you....... well, a bunch anyway. It could have been worse, had you attacked Nell. The last guy to attempt a Nell attack, got buried in a canteen.

Gee,you make me seem down right vicious,or were you refering to my friends who come to the aid of a damsel in distress?;)

[nell67]

backtobasics,as Crash said,please stay,sounds like you have much knowledge that you can pass on to others,you have a lot to teach,and many of us have lots to learn.

[HOP]

Just start talking about "Survival Knives", and everyone will love you....... well, a bunch anyway. It could have been worse, had you attacked Nell. The last guy to attempt a Nell attack, got buried in a canteen.

Why you got to start talking about kniveshttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/HOP_2007/100_0674.jpg

[huntermj]

Backtobasics i would like to know more about your time without what most consider the basics. Where did you live during that time?

[FVR]

Man, talk about some grumpy grumps.

[backtobasics]

I lived in the high desert of Nevada. North west of pyramid lake. 60 miles from the nearest grocery store. 30 miles of that 60 was dirt road. We went in once a month unless we needed something right away. I did have a propane frig. Some of our light was oil lamps and toward the end i hooked up some 12volt lights and 12volt water pump to pump water from a storage tank. Eventually i built a small septic out of a 55 gal drum so that when the weather was real bad the kids would not have to go outside. I left there in 1999. So I'm kinda spoiled now and getting a little soft. I still own the property and now live about 65 miles north of there in a small town of about 12,000. Before I left I was working on drilling my own well with one of those rigs with a lawn mower engine. I never did finish that and sold the rig. I don't make it out that way much anymore. I've been spending more time in the sierra mountains. I'm thinking about scouting out a place to build a camp up there and would like to learn some living off the land skills, thats why I'm here.

[huntermj]

So that land in Navada, do you need someone to look out for it? I will gladly offer my services:D I love the desert and i have nothing keeping me here.:D

[chiggersngrits]

never give a 100 lbs. german shepard the other half of your bean burrito. i barely survived the night.

[backtobasics]

So that land in Navada, do you need someone to look out for it? I will gladly offer my services:D I love the desert and i have nothing keeping me here.:D


It would take a little work to get the place livable again. I lived in an old school bus converted to a motor home and there is also a 20 foot camp trailer. The school bus is now in a little bit bad condition. A friend of mine who still lives out there told me that the door somehow was left open and the pack rats got in. The firg no longer works. The trailer has propane heat that should be fine. The bus has a coal burning stove. One would need to go out in the spring or summerand get things ready for the winter. And it does get cold there. And to get the routine down.

[nell67]

never give a 100 lbs. german shepard the other half of your bean burrito. i barely survived the night.
That stinks chigger,glad you survived!

[Runs With Beer]

If in a bad sit. Dont trust anyone you meet in the woods, Unless you know them. The most dangerous Thing in the woods is a Human.

[davef]

HOP,
That Izula necker looks really sweet.
Hard to tell from the picture, but is the middle one a RC4?
Just heard that the RAT Cutlery boys are starting to ship RC6's out.


Why you got to start talking about kniveshttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/HOP_2007/100_0674.jpg

[adurbin]

never give a 100 lbs. german shepard the other half of your bean burrito. i barely survived the night.

And THAT..my friends..is something Bear Grylls aint gonna teach you. Definitely useful information:D

[Sarge47]

I said i would not respond, but now i feel i need to. A person is not thin skined just because they want others to show them some respect. As for being tough enough for survival, I 've probably done more than many here. What the longest you've gone without T.V., internet, electricity, and indoor plumbing? I've personally gone years. Not days, not weeks, years. That means more than one. You have no idea who your talking to. By the way i don't studder either, but I do try to show people respect. Kind of like what I'm doing here with you.
I've lived like you've just described for over a year, & that includes through the mid-west winter. No electricity, only kerosene lanterns; an outhouse & an outside pump for water, that was it. (we were learning to cope with sub-zero weather for an Alaskan adventure that never came off.) Back then the internet was something a Mississippi fisherman told you where, hopefully, the catfish go.(inter the net.) I've posted on this quite a bit, talking about my best friend who recently died of bone cancer, learning. as a 12 year-old 98 lb. weakling, how to defend myself on the tough streets of the neighborhood I lived in in Chicago, my mother who died of Alzhimers at 63, my dad who was both a diabetic and an alcoholic who died at 58, my cousin whom I encouraged to join the Marines & got his young butt shipped over to 'Nam, came back without a scratch, only to slowly kill himself at 55 (he was my age) with drugs & alcohol; my brother's oldest daughter killed 6 weeks before her 18th birthday when a semi hit her little Pontiac Sunbird broadside; & my wife's sister, murdered horribly by her soon-to-be ex-husband who's a free man today. (ironically he seems to be the only survivor.) With all due respect, you don't have the exclusive on going through tough times; just please understand, some of us might not want to keep bringing it up.:cool:

[backtobasics]

I've lived like you've just described for over a year, & that includes through the mid-west winter. No electricity, only kerosene lanterns; an outhouse & an outside pump for water, that was it. (we were learning to cope with sub-zero weather for an Alaskan adventure that never came off.) Back then the internet was something a Mississippi fisherman told you where, hopefully, the catfish go.(inter the net.) I've posted on this quite a bit, talking about my best friend who recently died of bone cancer, learning. as a 12 year-old 98 lb. weakling, how to defend myself on the tough streets of the neighborhood I lived in in Chicago, my mother who died of Alzhimers at 63, my dad who was both a diabetic and an alcoholic who died at 58, my cousin whom I encouraged to join the Marines & got his young butt shipped over to 'Nam, came back without a scratch, only to slowly kill himself at 55 (he was my age) with drugs & alcohol; my brother's oldest daughter killed 6 weeks before her 18th birthday when a semi hit her little Pontiac Sunbird broadside; & my wife's sister, murdered horribly by her soon-to-be ex-husband who's a free man today. (ironically he seems to be the only survivor.) With all due respect, you don't have the exclusive on going through tough times; just please understand, some of us might not want to keep bringing it up.:cool:

I did not bring up the hard times, you brought it up right now in this post. But since you brought it up, we have a lot in common. I broke my back in a car accident in 1987 with a year and a half old baby and one on the way. My father was also an alcoholic. My mother went through 4 husbands. My ol lady left me and the kids while i was handicaped and could not work. I can go on. This is not suppose to be a pitty party. We lived in the bay area and i was once a heroin addict. The time i speak of in the desert with out the modern amenities was not a sob story, it was a fact and i enjoyed it. I will never go back to the city. Sometimes I wish i was back there again. Thats why my handle is backtobasics.
I didn't have to live that way, I chose to. It was what was good for me at the time. There are 2 reasons i don't live that way anymore. 1) My kids
2) most woman don't want to live like that and I wanted to get laid again someday:D Look man we have a lot in common, we got off on the wrong foot. Lets just let it go.

[HOP]

HOP,
That Izula necker looks really sweet.
Hard to tell from the picture, but is the middle one a RC4?
Just heard that the RAT Cutlery boys are starting to ship RC6's out.

Davef the izula is a prototype I won from Rat cutlery it doesn,t have the coating and yes it is a RC4 . the rc-6 are out but slow. I have 2 Ontario RAT7s in D-2 and most likely won't get a RC6

I have to agree about the Dogs and burritos I drove the rental van with my stuff from TX to WV with two big dogs and it was ruff as they really like Taco bell.

I can say you can never tell how accurate the info is on the internet usually best taken with a grain of salt, some times you get salty truth and some times you get salty BS , I do think most on this forum are good honest folks that are trying to share things that will help. The realistic facts are that many don't see things from the same plain or think their experence trumps anothers and when you step on someones toes it is silly to think that everyone should give you a by on it. A thick skin helps but being out of line is being out of line , you can never really take back things you say assuming you sincerly wanted to and comparing scars doesn't fix much.

[klkak]

OK, I've been out for a few days. I get back and......,

I'm sorry I wasn't here to take some of the heat off you Sarge. You know I'm a sucker for "dumb questions", "thin skinned newbies" and folks who can't figure out how to use the spell check. Man do I love this forum!!!

[Sarge47]

OK, I've been out for a few days. I get back and......,

I'm sorry I wasn't here to take some of the heat off you Sarge. You know I'm a sucker for "dumb questions", "thin skinned newbies" and folks who can't figure out how to use the spell check. Man do I love this forum!!!
Newby wants Survival stories, I gave him the nutshell version of mine & I don't know if it accomplished anything. You got any? I forgot to mention the time the Semi slammed into my School bus & totaled it out.:eek: It was on the highway and we were both doing 55 going in opposite directions. Driver fell asleep I guess. I was back to work 2 hours later & made the front page of our local paper with them calling me a hero.:rolleyes: All's I did was live through it.:cool:

[Fletcher]

OK, I've been out for a few days. I get back and......,

I'm sorry I wasn't here to take some of the heat off you Sarge. You know I'm a sucker for "dumb questions", "thin skinned newbies" and folks who can't figure out how to use the spell check. Man do I love this forum!!!





ditto !!!!!

[davef]

Shameless thread hack...:D


Davef the izula is a prototype I won from Rat cutlery

Ahh....so you were one of those who won the prototype eh?

I've got an Ontario TAK in D-2.
Came with worst edge I've ever seen on a knife. Took lots of re-profiling
to get it fixed up. Convexed it (by hand).



it doesn,t have the coating and yes it is a RC4 . the rc-6 are out but slow. I have 2 Ontario RAT7s in D-2 and most likely won't get a RC6

My knife buying days are over. I've got what I want now, and don't see a
need for anything else. I remember in my grandpa's day, you got something
that worked, and you used it. When it broke, or wore out, you went and
bought something new. "Collecting" was like a dirty word.

[klkak]

Newbie wants Survival stories, I gave him the nutshell version of mine & I don't know if it accomplished anything. You got any?

Have I got survival stories! You are asking me if I got survival stories? Yea, I got survival stories. I just have to be in the right frame of mind to share them.

[go2ndAmend]

Don't feel too bad Backtobasics. You have just received a typical response. Go ahead and ask your questions, many who view this forum like to hear them.

[Sarge47]

Don't feel too bad Backtobasics. You have just received a typical response. Go ahead and ask your questions, many who view this forum like to hear them.
Yo Go! I've just checked & couldn't find an "intro" by you. Maybe that's why the rest of the group has not warmed up to you. Why don't you quit whinin' about things that are of your own making?:confused::cool:

[Runs With Scissors]

I lived in the high desert of Nevada. North west of pyramid lake. 60 miles from the nearest grocery store. 30 miles of that 60 was dirt road. We went in once a month unless we needed something right away. I did have a propane frig. Some of our light was oil lamps and toward the end i hooked up some 12volt lights and 12volt water pump to pump water from a storage tank. Eventually i built a small septic out of a 55 gal drum so that when the weather was real bad the kids would not have to go outside. I left there in 1999. So I'm kinda spoiled now and getting a little soft. I still own the property and now live about 65 miles north of there in a small town of about 12,000. Before I left I was working on drilling my own well with one of those rigs with a lawn mower engine. I never did finish that and sold the rig. I don't make it out that way much anymore. I've been spending more time in the sierra mountains. I'm thinking about scouting out a place to build a camp up there and would like to learn some living off the land skills, thats why I'm here.


I can already tell you that just reading stories won't help a whole lot with what it is that you want to learn.
The only education is seeing and doing.
I learned a lot on solo camps not far from the house when I was a kid. Especially about how quickly hypothermia can snake it's way up your back.

The main thing I tell people NOT to do is get excited. Keep a cool head, don't rush (you'll only end up f--king up or hurting yourself or both). Follow the three C's: Calm, cool, collected.

I say the Shepard's Prayer a LOT...and I mean Alan Shepard's prayer: "Oh Lord, please don't let me f--k this up...Amen."

Books are excellent and I'll recommend "Bushcraft" by Mors Kochanski or "Ultimate Guide to Wilderness Living" by John and Geri McPhereson to anybody. That way you've got a visual reference, pick one skill a week and learn it. Then practice the dog s--t out of it until you OWN it.

There is no substitute for two things: Knowledge and personal experience.

Hope that helps.

[backtobasics]

I can already tell you that just reading stories won't help a whole lot with what it is that you want to learn.
The only education is seeing and doing.
I learned a lot on solo camps not far from the house when I was a kid. Especially about how quickly hypothermia can snake it's way up your back.

The main thing I tell people NOT to do is get excited. Keep a cool head, don't rush (you'll only end up f--king up or hurting yourself or both). Follow the three C's: Calm, cool, collected.

I say the Shepherd's Prayer a LOT...and I mean Alan Shepherd's prayer: "Oh Lord, please don't let me f--k this up...Amen."

Books are excellent and I'll recommend "Bushcraft" by Mors Kochanski or "Ultimate Guide to Wilderness Living" by John and Geri McPhereson to anybody. That way you've got a visual reference, pick one skill a week and learn it. Then practice the dog s--t out of it until you OWN it.

There is no substitute for two things: Knowledge and personal experience.

Hope that helps.


Thank you for the insite. I figured i should take baby steps, but I thought that someone might have some advice that i did not think of. That is why i posted this thread in the first place.

[Dennis K.]

All fixed, all's well...

[Runs With Scissors]

Thank you for the insite. I figured i should take baby steps, but I thought that someone might have some advice that i did not think of. That is why i posted this thread in the first place.

It's hard to give advice when we don't know what your skill level is. When you say "noob" most of automatically think you're a follower of the Discovery Channel and think that's all there is to it.

It's also damned near (if not completely) impossible to teach someone these types of skills over the internet.

So recommendations and trying to relay personal experiences are the only "advice" we can give, and really about the best we can do.

I noticed in your intro you'd asked for plant books. Peterson's Field Guides are always great, and anything by Christopher Nyerges is excellent. Chris knows his stuff.

"Living off the land" has a technical name, which is "Bushcraft"...which is why I recommended Kochanski's and the Mcpheresons' books. They've been there and done it for many MANY years, and their instructions are A-1. They show you everything from how to hold a knife for certain jobs, to cordage making, to how to knock spalls out of Obsidian and Chert. But for the most part, "Living off the land" takes years of practice and learning before you can do it right. Not just a few words from seasoned vets.
You have to know the seasons of the plants, when it's best to harvest them. Where they grow, what they look like, how to prepare them for storage, etc...
What materials make the best fire the quickest.
Where the small animals run, as well as the deer or elk.
Do certain bodies of water disappear at certain times of the year?

This is just a knick in the surface. There's so much more to it than what I've just described. I learned from my grandparents and have been doing this kind of thing my whole life. So it's a little hard to gauge what somebody means when they say (to the effect): "I'm new, I need some advice."

My first advice is usually: "Take a course and then practice what you learn. Then talk to as many old folks as you can and see if they'll teach you. If you can't afford that, buy all the books you can find and read until your face goes numb. The practice, practice, practice. And when you think you're done, practice some more."

I will give you this piece of advice on firewood, I learned it quick: build your fire, before you make your fire. As well: when you think your wood pile is big enough to sustain you over night, make it 5 times bigger.

Not trying to be a *****, so I hope you don't take it that way.

[backtobasics]

Yo Go! I've just checked & couldn't find an "intro" by you. Maybe that's why the rest of the group has not warmed up to you. Why don't you quit whinin' about things that are of your own making?:confused::cool:

Sorry Sarge I thought you were talking to me. I'll delete the post. Still a little harsh tho

[backtobasics]

Let's get back to basics...
The question was..."what not to do" yes ?

This question can be troubling...because it is the negation of "what to do".
If i tell you what to do...then you should understand what "not to do".
This forum is a "what to do" kind of place...which in turns points to, suggests, a "what not to do".

Both forms are of the same stick...just opposite ends of that same stick.

Personal experience can be tricky to recall and share, especially when most here are modest. These experiences are seen in the thousands of posts about "what to do"...since they speak of the personal discoveries each and everyone made during their journey.

"What not to do", is also troubling due to the vagueness of its implications.
The first thing that came to my mind upon reading your first post was...well...it depends.
Survival is funny that way...and the evolution of survival skills and their understanding is often "counter intuitive".

Did you know for example, that in the dark ages, monks started making vows of silence, because "to speak", was to express your own will...and "to will", was a sin.
Today, especially while talking about survival", the will is the foundation of survival...so "what not to do" is still a work in progress...for we are works in progress.


Thats a fair answer, and looking back I guess the question was a little vague. Things just got out of control. I just thought that maybe there were some rules of thumb that one should not do. For instance I was a mechanic and i could give some rules of thumb that one should never do. At this point i don't even care about this question. I'm a smart guy I'll figure things out. Thanks for your reply tho.

[backtobasics]

Of course there are rules of thumb...and things did not really get out of control...you are still here, and we are getting to know each other.

You know what people like ?
Lists.
A "top 10" list really gets people going...i don't know what it is about lists...

Here is my top 10 lists of what not to do:

1-do not eat if you are dehydrated.
2-do not eat plants you do not know or plants you think you know but have never tried.
3-do not go anywhere without telling someone.
4-do not go anywhere without the proper clothing.
5-do not make camp in a dry river bed.
6-do not underestimate your level of stupidity.
7-do not feed the wild life.
8-do not make hastily decisions.
9-do not exert more energy into a task, than that of the result of the said task could yield in energy.
10-do not jab a stick in the eye of a sleeping bear.


How hard was that? Thanks Remy No insults, no games, just info.

[backtobasics]

It's hard to give advice when we don't know what your skill level is. When you say "noob" most of automatically think you're a follower of the Discovery Channel and think that's all there is to it.

It's also damned near (if not completely) impossible to teach someone these types of skills over the internet.

So recommendations and trying to relay personal experiences are the only "advice" we can give, and really about the best we can do.

I noticed in your intro you'd asked for plant books. Peterson's Field Guides are always great, and anything by Christopher Nyerges is excellent. Chris knows his stuff.

"Living off the land" has a technical name, which is "Bushcraft"...which is why I recommended Kochanski's and the Mcpheresons' books. They've been there and done it for many MANY years, and their instructions are A-1. They show you everything from how to hold a knife for certain jobs, to cordage making, to how to knock spalls out of Obsidian and Chert. But for the most part, "Living off the land" takes years of practice and learning before you can do it right. Not just a few words from seasoned vets.
You have to know the seasons of the plants, when it's best to harvest them. Where they grow, what they look like, how to prepare them for storage, etc...
What materials make the best fire the quickest.
Where the small animals run, as well as the deer or elk.
Do certain bodies of water disappear at certain times of the year?

This is just a knick in the surface. There's so much more to it than what I've just described. I learned from my grandparents and have been doing this kind of thing my whole life. So it's a little hard to gauge what somebody means when they say (to the effect): "I'm new, I need some advice."

My first advice is usually: "Take a course and then practice what you learn. Then talk to as many old folks as you can and see if they'll teach you. If you can't afford that, buy all the books you can find and read until your face goes numb. The practice, practice, practice. And when you think you're done, practice some more."

I will give you this piece of advice on firewood, I learned it quick: build your fire, before you make your fire. As well: when you think your wood pile is big enough to sustain you over night, make it 5 times bigger.

Not trying to be a *****, so I hope you don't take it that way.

I don't think your being a ***** at all. This is very good advice, without insult.
A little more about me. I do know how to rough it, but most times that involved store bought supplies half the time with a cooler. When i say rough it I don't mean camping at a camp ground. Where i live there are still pleanty of places to go where no one and nothing is around. I want to learn two different things, homestead type living which i already know some about frome living in remote places, and survival in the forest. What to eat, where to camp,and how to catch game. I came here to learn.

[wudshapr]

B2B, thanks for hanging around. From what you said, I would believe you to be knowledgable in living lean. To me, you said nothing out of the scope of this forum, I mean, you didn't discuss things that happened to you that have nothing to do with survival to gain sympathy until you were prompted to, and that I believe was warranted. I could cite a few discrepencies with the hand I was dealt, but again, I joined this forum to discuss survival.
I won't get into my experience because if you weren't there to see it, and I don't have pictures, it never happened. Plus my credibility should not be an issue. In the end, those that know will still be there, then we can get together over wild blueberries and tell stories.
But to reply to your original posting, here are a few things I could add...

-don't attempt to climb the 2x4 ladder to the hayloft you sleep in with a full glass coffee carafe in hand and a pint of Yukon Jack in the belly!

-Even if it is -20 outside, using a kerosene cylinder type heater without even a crack of fresh air all night is not a suitable method.

-if you are sleeping in the bed of your truck, and it is winter, and you plan on driving the next day, do not forget a shovel.

-do not pitch a tent in a mangrove swamp during low tide, without knowing where high tide will end up.

-if you spend the entire day catching just a few trout for dinner, don't imagine a pan FULL of olive oil will act like the commercial fryer at the diner you worked at and produce succulent fried filets of mouth-watering goodness.

-do not look at the sky and say "no clouds, it won't rain tonight"

-wet socks in your sleeping arrangements will dry out the socks, but make you freeze your butt off.

- do not hide your head under the sleeping bag/layer of whatever and think how good the warm air of your breath feels either.

-if you want to impress your girlfriend, grabbing an alligators tail is not the way.

When I was in my leanest years, and survival was a question of will, I knew nothing on the topic, and in reality, most won't when faced with it. We are here because something provoked us to research how not to be in trouble when the time come. I survived on dumb luck, and now I am learning the actual way to do so, and I think it may be called upon again in the future, perhaps by choice, perhaps not.

Again, I don't think this is the place to discuss the trauma that has effected my life, or anybody elses, unless it has to do with surviving the elements. The goal for me is to have a life that changes as little as possible when the "brown stuff hits the fan" to quote Cody.

I have found that any post larger than this is a pain to read so I'll end righ....

[backtobasics]

Of course by that you meant...what not to eat, where not to camp and how not to catch game...

That was pretty darn hard by the way...ah, you complicated people !

No, what i meant was things like " don't eat when your dehydrated". Thats something i did not think about, and probably many others who have check out this site. Possibly even more things that you listed. Have you ever heard the expression " there is no such thing as a dumb question"? Aparently some were just born knowing it all. Sorry I'm not one of them. I thought the question would help more than just me.

[crashdive123]

B2B - it wasn't a dumb question at all. For me I just wasn't sure exactly what you were looking for. So according to some, I guess I'm a dumb reader. I'll post a few thoughts a bit later (still trying to finish my paperwork from earlier today).

[backtobasics]

B2B - it wasn't a dumb question at all. For me I just wasn't sure exactly what you were looking for. So according to some, I guess I'm a dumb reader. I'll post a few thoughts a bit later (still trying to finish my paperwork from earlier today).


Don't sweat it. I got the basics. I'll learn with baby steps. And thanks for being understanding.

[backtobasics]

Of course there are rules of thumb...and things did not really get out of control...you are still here, and we are getting to know each other.


Yes we are getting to know each other, and i am still here, but I have also found another site with lots of info. To bad I have to be careful about what I ask. I treat people the way they treat me, so if someone ask me question (because no one here knows it all) would it be right for me to assume that person is an idiot? I know the desert pretty good, I lived there for years, but if someone asked me how to find water I would never say find it yourself. I also know where there is food, it's never come down to that, but if needed I know where to go. Because people clued me in. I wasn't born with this info. At the same time I do realize that if I tell everyone, there will be less food for me and my family.

[Sarge47]

Yes we are getting to know each other, and i am still here, but I have also found another site with lots of info. To bad I have to be careful about what I ask. I treat people the way they treat me, so if someone ask me question (because no one here knows it all) would it be right for me to assume that person is an idiot? I know the desert pretty good, I lived there for years, but if someone asked me how to find water I would never say find it yourself. I also know where there is food, it's never come down to that, but if needed I know where to go. Because people clued me in. I wasn't born with this info. At the same time I do realize that if I tell everyone, there will be less food for me and my family.

B-2-B; I think I know what the problem is here; your didn't ask a "dumb" question; just a "broad" one, hence my post on what NOT to do. (BTW, I never called you an idiot.) The problem with answering the original question that you posted is that the answer covers about everything that's ever been posted on this forum, one way or another. How I'd answer that question on how to find water, for example, would depend on several factors. Who, what, where, why, & how. I wouldn't simply give directions without knowing a lot more about who was asking. You originally asked "what NOT to do, remember? I also believe you wanted "survival stories". One of the best, IMHO, happened to a member of this forum: SurvivalHike. He's not been around now for quite some time. It would be good for you to research that if you want to read a real-life survival story. Also check out the ones I posted on my blog. One thing I'd hope you'd understand; perhaps I don't come up to your expectations; however I really don't have too, just like you don't have to come up to mine. We are who we are; best of luck with the other site.:cool:

[crashdive123]

Other sites?!?!?!?! You mean there are other sites? Just kidding. Actually a lot of posts contain links to other sites that have good info on them. Out of respect to the owner of this one, I do not post links to other similar forums, but sharing info is a good thing.

[backtobasics]

B-2-B; I think I know what the problem is here; your didn't ask a "dumb" question; just a "broad" one, hence my post on what NOT to do. (BTW, I never called you an idiot.) The problem with answering the original question that you posted is that the answer covers about everything that's ever been posted on this forum, one way or another. How I'd answer that question on how to find water, for example, would depend on several factors. Who, what, where, why, & how. I wouldn't simply give directions without knowing a lot more about who was asking. You originally asked "what NOT to do, remember? I also believe you wanted "survival stories". One of the best, IMHO, happened to a member of this forum: SurvivalHike. He's not been around now for quite some time. It would be good for you to research that if you want to read a real-life survival story. Also check out the ones I posted on my blog. One thing I'd hope you'd understand; perhaps I don't come up to your expectations; however I really don't have too, just like you don't have to come up to mine. We are who we are; best of luck with the other site.:cool:

I wasn't looking for survival stories, although I would not mind reading a few. I guess my question was a little broad. Thats all i need to hear.

[backtobasics]

Actually...there is such a thing as a dumb question. It is not because it is a popular saying that it is "true"...but that would be an entirely different subject.

As for assuming you are an idiot...never crossed my mind, and i apologize for any clumsiness on my part that would have pointed in this direction.
Like many have said before me, your question was not dumb, it was complex. And like Sarge said, the answer would involve reading the entire forum.

My top 10 list was actually to demonstrate that negations are never (a negation) completely suited to answer questions pertaining to your situation on hands. Rules of thumb negate 8 other possibilities, 8 other rules...

"do not eat when you are dehydrated", is indeed a rule of thumb set in negation...but this rule, depends on your level of dehydration, the nature of the food at hand (salad or mash potatoes will affect your dehydration in different ways), the priorities governed by your survival, the time of day, the ambient temperature, your location, your needs and so much more...making this "rule of thumb" pretty complex.

And yes...you have to be careful about what you ask...just like in the "real world" yes ?
Another "paying attention", which in turns is probably the most valuable state of mind one can have at all time and anywhere.

Fair enough

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