If we're so smart, then why can't we ...

[BraggSurvivor]

... adapt to the new "laws" of nature?

The "old" child raising strategy: "have only as many children as you can take care of" is CLEARY suboptimal compared to: "***** your brains out. Abandon the mother and kids. The gummint will look after them."

The "old" get ahead strategy: Get an education. Work your way up the ladder. This is now a suicidal strategy. The NEW paradigm is "Screw school. Steal for a living or deal drugs".

The high time preference is directly associated with people's expectations of the value of their future.

Clearly, the majority no longer believe they even HAVE a "future".

I wonder if there's been a time in history when masses of young people have been so despondent about their lives, as to be virtually suicidal?

Thoughts?

[Fletcher]

a...............thinking a.....smoke riseing from ears a............WHAT?????????

[chiye tanka]

Yea, what Fletcher said.

[crashdive123]

Bragg - I do not accept the premise of your question or scenario.

[DaveAUA]

It all gets confusing when people mix up morality and "laws of nature," since morality is simply a man-made construct that changes with time, whereas the laws of nature are eternal.

In your 2 examples, "abandoning kids" and "dealing drugs," your problem seems to be that these actions are immoral, yet they follow the laws of nature. Question 1 is: "Is that true?" and questions 2 is: "In a conflict between man-made laws and natural laws, who do you think most likely made the error?"

[Rick]

I wonder if there's been a time in history when masses of young people have been so despondent about their lives, as to be virtually suicidal?

Well, let's see. Mongol invasions in China, Viking invasions of England, Roman invasions everywhere, Crusades, Black death, Irish potato famine, Rape of Nanking, Holocaust, Great Depression, WW's I and II, so, yea, lot's of times. It's part and parcel of the human condition. Only in the last couple of generations has life been "good".

[trax]

... adapt to the new "laws" of nature?

The "old" child raising strategy: "have only as many children as you can take care of" is CLEARY suboptimal compared to: "Screw your brains out. Abandon the mother and kids. The gummint will look after them." ...


The old child raising strategy "have as many babies as you can because most of them won't live past age 2 and you need more hands on the homestead to get your crops in and haul wood" Check out 18th and 19th century cemeteries and see how many baby graves there are.

[johngunguy]

If you want to see a prime example of people not taking responsibility for themselves just look at evacuees from hurricane Katrina and Gustav. The poor people complained that the government transported them from the New Orleans area to shelters out of harms way but didn't put them up in hotels and pay for their meals. Go figure, I had to pay for my hotel room and meals for a week as well as pay for my gas.

But them again, I don't expect the government to take care of me. Just stay out of my business.

John

[BraggSurvivor]

You mean...

Go into debt early with student loans, living on credit,

Get a "career" working in a cube,

Get married, then divorced, then cleaned out,

Buy a house high, loose it low...

This is not the American dream!




Whew! Glad I figured that out at like, 9 years old.

[wareagle69]

once again this crap belongs in general crap er chat not in general survival
bragg you stay in your section i'll stay in mine and we'll get along(mostly)

[BraggSurvivor]

The high time preference is directly associated with people's expectations of the value of their future.

Let's just expand on that a little and see that, in the US and Canada at least, having a low time preference (being more willing to postpone rewards today for more in the future) has been rewarded. This has been true for the most part since they were settled by Europeans. Over the last generation or two, this has begun to change. I think the lesson will be really driven home by the losses of so many Americans in their 401k/IRA plans. I've mentioned on here before that people have lost literally years' pay in the past couple of months or so. Combined with the housing meltdown, I think there will be a cultural shift in the US towards increased time preference.

[BraggSurvivor]

once again this crap belongs in general crap er chat not in general survival
bragg you stay in your section i'll stay in mine and we'll get along(mostly)

When I started the "If we're so smart" thread, I wasn't including you. So don't worry about it.

[Rick]

Here we go again. Calm down, girls.

[ATough]

Irish potato famine

My poor ancestors. :(

I love how braggs has a new rant every couple of days.

[crashdive123]

Couple of days, or a couple a day?

[ledzeppie]

Well I think this Marilyn Manson quote would be appropriate for some of the things bragg stated in his first post...
"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."

[ATough]

You make a good point crash.

[DaveAUA]

@remy: Nietzsche wrote a great deal on this in Beyond Good and Evil. I don't have my books with me, but I remember something along the lines of:


Let's not be tender; let's tell it like it truly is. Life is violent. Animals claw and rend, plants crowd each other out for sunlight, vines strangle. And when man, especially the escaped slave men, started making up a morality of peace and non-violence, he was in error. And it's no wonder he sees, everywhere he looks, contradictions of his faith.

This could have been written in response to the OP.

I think everyone can think of some man-made laws that are, well, stupid. Man's not infallible. In fact, this is proven by the fact that his laws are often broken, amended, repealed, etc. His laws don't have anything to do, IMO, with evolution.


Nature is not synonymous with any sort of ultimate authority when it comes to principles and laws...to the contrary.

I disagree here; nature seems to me to be exactly that. Nature's laws cannot be broken, amended, or repealed, and, unlike political/religious laws, haven't changed over time. But then again, you may mean it in a different sense than I understood it.

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