Hunting Philosophy or Lack Of

[FVR]

I killed my first critter when I was 8 years old. It was a red cardinal, I shot it in the head with my bb gun. I picked it up, ran to my mother crying because I "did not mean" to kill it.

My mother who was raised by an avid outdoorman promptly told me "you don't shoot what you don't want to kill, you don't kill what you do not want to eat." Every animal after that has been taken for either consumption or the skins in the case of trapping. Some of them also found themselves table fair.

Now I sit here, 45 years old. I have killed and consumed many animals. I have killed more rabbits than most will ever see in a lifetime, and that was with my bow. I have sat in duck boats, on the Patapsco river, on the Delaware river, and in many small ponds and tributaries in the cold just to take ducks, geese, and an occasional loon for table fare.

I have hunted the coldest of Maryland deer seasons down close to the Chessy, and on many rivers, so cold that you would wonder how any critter would want to move.

And yes today, I found myself in the woods once again in pursuit of deer and hogs. I sat in my stand for awhile, with my primitive bow and arrows, but I'm not a stand hunter. I got down and ventured into the swamp and low lands that I find so facinating. I worked my way up, crawling through the pines as it was a very windy day and the pines are were deer and hogs bed down in poor windy weather.

As I crawled through the trails and tunnels, I found myself looking down. Wow, turkey feathers, did not even realize that any were in this part of the woods. Yeh, up on the mountain, but here? I also found myself, laying down on my stomach, looking for deer or hog feet. As I lay there, I notice areas and locations that would make a great place to emergency camp if needed. I pull myself up, crawl into the area, no wind. Wising that I had brought my gear, a little fire and a cup of tea would be great.

I check the phone, one missed message. I dial in and check it, my hunting buddy that was suppose to meet me at the designated meeting point, chose not to hunt today. I sit there, enjoying the moment.

I then get up, unstring my bow and slowly make my way out of the woods.

When I get home, my wife asks if I had a good time. "Honestly, No." I tell her that I really don't like hunting anymore. She responds that "honestly," she had noticed that I have not liked hunting for the last 6 years. I "honestly" agree.

She states that I seem to have a much better time when I just pack up a bag and walk into the woods, make a little camp, make some tea or buillon and eat a primitive snack.

She is right. I really don't care if I ever kill another animal ever again. Why, I don't know. My grandfather told me that this would happen oneday.

Guess, he was right.

[wareagle69]

i would like to be a hunter i would like to be well prepared i have taken small game and always have a sense of guilt about it but i know it is more humane to eat a deer that has lived freely than to eat a cow or chicken raised in todays standards, it shows how far removed we are today from what we eat. i have known hunters who have brought a baby mosse calf to me and then say they will never hunt again after being that close and personal with the calf seeing its vunerability and need for shelter and protection, but you are where you are on your journey for a reason as i love to quote this one i will
"NOTHING IS CONSTANT BUT CHANGE" enjoy where you are in life my friend sometimes a quiet moment and a wild tea are the best moments

[FVR]

I have always been "The Hunter." Conversations for so many years have been about the hunt, the kill, and the meal.

I have asked the question over and over, "What am I, if I am not the hunter?" I know this sounds strange. It is what I've always been.

So now what?

I think I may grasp this new hunting philosophy. I will still purchase the hunting license, yet I will wait till big game season is out and it is still small game season. This will allow me to trek into the woods, and still have a trusty 22 single action or a 44 cap and ball accompany me on my side.

I can then go into the woods and do what I really think I want, or need. Just a good walk in the woods.

I am glad that I posted this here. I thank those that understand, and I thank those that post and show me that I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

[Edz]

This rings true for me as well. It matters not in most cases that I come home with meat. I am out there more for the experience. For watching things, looking for plants, working on identification of edibles etc.
I still hunt, and still kill and eat what I kill. I go with my wife often. She is still in the mode of thinking that if we don't "get something" the day is a loss.

It's like my hunting dogs...(GSP's). They love it when they find a bird. But even if they don't, they are having the time of their life just running round the woods and fields.

edz

[rebel]

Same same. I'm tired.

[rebel]

O.K.

The other day driving home on a dirt road with no one around I had to slam on the brakes for a squirrel that couldn't make up it's mind to cross the road or not. It made it.

[rebel]

Before the Marines I really liked to hunt. It was all I could think of. Something changed. I went out w/ some friends and they were having a good ol' time. Inside I was just wanting to get the week over and go home. They hadn't gone through the same experiences. Now, if I have to hunt I will.

[ledzeppie]

I know that a lot of people will argue with me, and I know that I'm a tree hugger, but my little view on hunting is that I don't like the idea of killing animals for sport, BUT I think that hunting is fine when you need the food.

[crashdive123]

Ledzeppie - I am not a tree hugger and I share your view on hunting. I think that most, if not all members of this forum would agree that killing animals for sport is wrong.

[Rick]

Frank, no need to feel "bad" about where you are. It's part of who you are. Life gives us many choices and choosing to do what you want makes it all the more enjoyable. It's also good that you can accept the change and feel good about it. We all evolve. Some sooner than others.

[chiye tanka]

Thank you FVR.:)

[wareagle69]

i have listened to many people over the years some are just lost to me they are sooo excited to get out in the bush and kill something of course they are alo the ones with 5 cases of beer and 4 bottles of rye, but i have heard even farmers talk about being attached to certain calves and not being able to slaughter.
i have the same delema frank i love deer meat and we have an overabundance of them here so it is heathier for the enviroment (see tree hugging) and heathier than store bought beef so do i kill or allow someone on my property to harvest.
i feel bad enough when i see a dead mouse in the water trough and we have many many of them around even with a wild cat living on the property but drowning is a terrible way to go for any critter
what i like to see is the human side of hunters someone who respects nature enough to feel or share the sense of loss or sacrifice on the animals part yet can provide for his family also
my hats off to ye

[Sourdough]

American's are into "Sport" eating, and they wear there trophy. The guy with the biggest belly wins the trophy food hunting award. And you to can be the proud parent of a world class food processor.

Kill tree Bad, Kill animal Bad, Kill yourself and your children from Gluttony Good. Kill economy with GREED Good. We Humans are strange animals.

[crashdive123]

Kill tree Bad, Kill animal Bad, Kill yourself and your children from Gluttony Good. Kill economy with GREED Good. We Humans are strange animals.

With some just a bit stranger than others.;)

[Sourdough]

With some just a bit stranger than others.;)

Strange:eek: You should see what I have to look at once a week when shaving:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[trax]

I've hunted all my life as well, started when I was six. Personally, I've never taken pleasure in a kill, albeit there's the sense of satisfaction knowing that I now have food that I didn't have prior to squeezing the trigger. There's something to be said for what level of respect one has for the game being taken. I'm not trying to take on an air of superiority here, it just seems to me one has that or doesn't.

I also spend lots of trips outdoors just for the hike or whatever, in all four seasons, so I guess the combination of those two makes me say I'm still good to go for hunting. I can understand the feeling that Frank and Jason spoke of though. It seems sensible to me.

[Rick]

How many times have you passed up a shot because there is a better rack that will probably come along? If that's the motivation then you are doing it for the wrong reasons IMHO. Food is food even if the rack isn't massive. Just my opinion.

[crashdive123]

Jason - I do believe you've got it.

[wareagle69]

i know i am always looking for a better rack to come along (oh si** here comes the wife send send send send send delete delete delete) oops gotta go guys mrs wareagle says i can't come out to play tonight

[trax]

How many times have you passed up a shot because there is a better rack that will probably come along? If that's the motivation then you are doing it for the wrong reasons IMHO. Food is food even if the rack isn't massive. Just my opinion.

Never, I have passed up on shots because they weren't absolute kill shots. I like the way Jason worded it, think that's about right. I like what WE had to say to but I sure as hell ain't talkin' about those racks with MDN logging in here.

[FVR]

I do have one hunt that I am planning for in a few years. I have always wanted to hunt elk, with a muzzleloader using primitive gear. I am slowly getting up the gear. Traded for a new 54 cal plains rifle, picked up a 10x10 one pole for a hundred bucks. I figure in a few years, I will have what I need.

I would pref. hunting in the snow, pack in style. As far as the kill, honestly, I would be happy with a cow elk. Elk steaks, on the fire, in the mountains, with primitive gear................oh, there I go, dreaming again.


Rick, I always seem to do it the other way. Bowhunting many years ago, here comes the 10 pt, ahhhh, busted. Here comes the 8 pt, ahhhh......busted again. Here comes a 6 and two spikes, took the spike in last place.

[trax]

If you're hunting for meat with a taste of the connoisseur, doe or cow is tastier and more tender than buck or bull and with the males, smaller is tastier and more tender than larger.

[rebel]

I do have one hunt that I am planning for in a few years. I have always wanted to hunt elk, with a muzzleloader using primitive gear. I am slowly getting up the gear. Traded for a new 54 cal plains rifle, picked up a 10x10 one pole for a hundred bucks. I figure in a few years, I will have what I need.

I would pref. hunting in the snow, pack in style. As far as the kill, honestly, I would be happy with a cow elk. Elk steaks, on the fire, in the mountains, with primitive gear................oh, there I go, dreaming again.


Rick, I always seem to do it the other way. Bowhunting many years ago, here comes the 10 pt, ahhhh, busted. Here comes the 8 pt, ahhhh......busted again. Here comes a 6 and two spikes, took the spike in last place.

I enjoy the prep as much as the actual trip. Making lists and trying to think of everything that may be needed.

[Rick]

I'm not trying to be funny. Just trying to get this straight. Younger female with a kill shot or don't chase them if wounded so you aren't stressing the meat? Right? I don't hunt big game.

[Riverrat]

For me the hunt is time in the woods, no phone, no pager, no radio, just me, sometimes the wife, and the woods. We went out today hunting ruffled grouse, seen one that got away, and had a cup of tea in one of the most beautiful places that I have seen in a long time. That was our hunting trip today. I have never hunted for a trophy, have passed up shots, but only because they were not good ones, and last year got skunked. I really do not care if I make a kill or not, it is not a matter of life and death for me. I would like to have fresh venison in the freezer, but if I don't oh well, another great year hunting in the woods.

[trax]

I'm not trying to be funny. Just trying to get this straight. Younger female with a kill shot or don't chase them if wounded so you aren't stressing the meat? Right? I don't hunt big game.

Provided you're within the law, there's specific seasons for females. And the chase part, yeah, if you do wound something, sit down and smoke 'em if you got 'em so to speak, take a little break. It's a matter of following a 5 minute blood trail or an all day blood trail and the panic the animal goes into if you chase after it right away is definitely going to stress the meat.

I might have mentioned this is an earlier thread, but I guy I used to work with up north was always bragging about the huge bulls he'd get when he went moose hunting. One day at lunch when he was rattling off I quietly asked him why he insisted on feeding his kids boot leather, the guy went ballistic, started telling me everything I didn't know about hunting. I was sitting there eating a really tender moose meat sandwich, about a 5 year old cow it came off of...

[klkak]

I have always been "The Hunter." Conversations for so many years have been about the hunt, the kill, and the meal.

I have asked the question over and over, "What am I, if I am not the hunter?" I know this sounds strange. It is what I've always been.

FVR,
Like you, from a young age I have been a hunter, a provider. The meat I harvested fed my Mom and siblings. I didn't hunt because I wanted to. I hunted so we could eat. I never enjoyed the kill. It was necessary. I did enjoy the hunt. The thrill of stalking so close to a deer I could hit it with a thrown rock. I spent so much time in the woods that it became my best friend.

I am also 45. It is just the wife and I now so I don't need to kill a moose to get us by. I still hunt but I rarely make a kill (by choice). I do take several head of small game every year (I love grouse). I still go to the island deer camp in PWS with my trapping buddy. It is an opportunity to be in the woods.

I have friends that don't understand going hunting and not shooting the animal I just spent 2 hours crawling up to on my belly. Just as you were told and my grandfather told me. I have said to them, "one day you will". It's good to hear that I'm not the only one who is at this same stage in life.

[Sarge47]

I used to hunt much small game with both shotgun & .22; but not for sport, for food to live on. anymore I don't hunt just to hunt. Over at the bus garage we have a wild rabbit that likes to hang around. He'll come up to about 2 feet away & eat grass. I call him "Bugs". The other day I said "HI" to a squirrel on a tree branch & he stopped cold, looked at me & started to come down, but I moved away. If I ever "hunt" again for pleasure & not for a desperate need for food, it'll be with a camera. It is my creed that a true Woodsman does not "conquer" the Woods, but becomes "one" with them. You become an integral part of the environment. If you need food to survive, that's one thing, but just for "sport"? Ah, maybe I'm just getting old. Now the Morel....well...they got it coming!:D

[Ole WV Coot]

I grew up hunting for food, legal or otherwise it tasted the same. I don't hunt anymore, don't eat it so I don't kill it. I've done enough killing in the past 55+ years and I just don't enjoy it. I never was a trophy hunter, strictly meat so the younger and female deer wise the better. Guess that puts me out of the "good ole boy's club". I have the ability and training so I am in that I will if I need to group, glad I have the choice.

[Aurelius95]

I've really enjoyed reading this thread, thanks everyone for being honest. Now, my turn. I've never hunted in my life, but I am very interested to do so. I don't "Need" the meat, but I'm intrigued by the hunt. I have some friends who have offered me the chance to accompany them on a hunt in south Georgia. I won't be carrying, but I don't think that will matter. Two weeks ago, I was with them and tasted some of their venison, and it was delicious.

Any advice you guys can give so that my time can be enjoyable and a learning experience would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Riverrat]

If you are not carrying a gun, carry a camera, shoot the game with it. Records the trip and is still a challenge.

[nell67]

Never, I have passed up on shots because they weren't absolute kill shots. I like the way Jason worded it, think that's about right. I like what WE had to say to but I sure as hell ain't talkin' about those racks with MDN logging in here.
Just depends darlin', on whose rack you're talking about...........:p

[Rick]

Well, he didn't say anything about elk jumping on trampolines or deer jogging or moose sun bathing so I think he is safe.

[sobeit]

When I took the hunters safety course years ago they told us that their is 3 stages for a hunter. The meat hunter stage, trophy stage, and the Out door stage. The first 2 are self explanatory. The last stage is when your just happy to be out hunting and it does not matter if you kill or even see any thing your just happy to be on the hunt. However after reading these posting and talking to my father on our Elk hunt there is a fourth the time in which you no do not care to hunt but just want to enjoy the outdoors. I am a stage 2/3 I am happy to be hunting but do not need the meat (even thow I do enjoy eating it) so I would take a trophy, but still eat the meet. But the hunt is more about the comradeship and sharing what little knowledge I have and learning from others while enjoying the grandness of this creation. And while I commend you’re moving on to this stage of your journey I hope I do not join you any time soon. I do ask however if you will be sharing your knowledge with others so that they can be come responsible hunters and not one of the many lunatic with a gun in one hand and a beer in the other who shoot at any thing that moves.

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