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Sarge47
09-30-2008, 11:06 PM
Okay wolves, here's your chance to see what kind of Survival instructor you'd make. You set up three survival situations for your students in the following order:

a.) Beginner; b.) Intermediate; & c.) Advanced.

In each case you decide the type of environment, weather conditions, which season, equipment, supplies, how many people in the group, what each person's strengths, weaknesses, & medical condition is, or if their solo, etc.. Sound like fun?:confused::cool:
klkak
09-30-2008, 11:55 PM
It sounds like a college essay!
pgvoutdoors
10-01-2008, 01:08 PM
O.K. Sarge, I'll throw a few situations out to you. Give me a couple of days to put something together.
erunkiswldrnssurvival
10-01-2008, 03:37 PM
Thats alot of planning Sarge!
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 03:39 PM
Thats alot of planning Sarge!

But for those of you that run a school or teach a course already it ought to be a piece of cake.
klkak
10-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Sarge, I'll take the challenge. It'll take some time to put it together.
erunkiswldrnssurvival
10-01-2008, 04:30 PM
But for those of you that run a school or teach a course already it ought to be a piece of cake.

Thats sure right, the planning /provision stage determines much of what you will or wont be doing in the field. mistakes or oversights can be more than costly, especialy where exposure issues, and enough tool or provisions of nessesity is concerned. someones physical condition is a variable that can change everything.
RobertRogers
10-01-2008, 05:12 PM
1) Spend a weekend outdoors in warm, dry weather with just the clothes you are wearing. Make out the best you can.

2) Ditto, in cool damp weather

3) Ditto, in the middle of winter below zero F temperatures.
klkak
10-01-2008, 06:01 PM
edit:I moved this post to its own thread titled "Survival situation scenero" (Beginner)
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 06:29 PM
Thats sure right, the planning /provision stage determines much of what you will or wont be doing in the field. mistakes or oversights can be more than costly, especialy where exposure issues, and enough tool or provisions of nessesity is concerned. someones physical condition is a variable that can change everything.

But don't you teach wilderness survival? If so, your planning would already be done and you could share how you teach your courses with us.
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 08:33 PM
Working on a course outline Sarge.
wareagle69
10-01-2008, 08:37 PM
don't think i would make a good "survival" instructor i fashion myself more along the lines of primitive skills/self reliance ala allen beauchamp and raymond mears
so i will leave this to the experts
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 08:44 PM
Why not a primative skills course?
wareagle69
10-01-2008, 08:49 PM
cuz sarge asked for survival course so out of my element. don't you have some bugs to kill?
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Ah - so many bugs, so little time.
nell67
10-01-2008, 08:58 PM
Just no trained bees!
crashdive123
10-01-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm tellin ya....could have used em 30 or so years ago......would have saved a lot of time in bars.
Gray Wolf
10-02-2008, 12:25 PM
crash, caught 9 + 1. ;)
Jericho117
10-02-2008, 05:10 PM
If only an extreme survival course was readily available for the people with obesity........... than maybe they would learn, unless it's hereditary.
nell67
10-02-2008, 05:19 PM
If only an extreme survival course was readily available for the people with obesity........... than maybe they would learn, unless it's hereditary.
Jericho,there are many causes of obesity,from the down right won't do anything,to those with medical conditions,thyroid problems come to mind,and certain types of medications will cause weight gain like meds for diabetes,which just exacerbates that condition.exercise,while good for everyone,is not always the answer to obesity.
trax
10-02-2008, 06:28 PM
If only an extreme survival course was readily available for the people with obesity........... than maybe they would learn, unless it's hereditary.

and were you going to force these obese people to take your extreme survival course there Fuhrer? The ones that have heart conditions associated with the obesity and die out in the bush would sure be a lesson for everyone wouldn't they? What are you smoking?
Jericho117
10-02-2008, 08:17 PM
I am highly aware of that, didn't I specify the hereditary part? But I did forget to mention medical problems.
Jericho117
10-02-2008, 08:17 PM
I don't smoke, but that was funny.
Jericho117
10-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Go to my myspace and in my picture you will see my grandpa. He has obesity problems, but he can't shed that fat due to a tumor in his ankle.
Jericho117
10-02-2008, 08:23 PM
I am sorry if I have offended anyone.
Bibow
10-02-2008, 09:48 PM
here's one:
okay, your lost bird hunting,your in southern Manitoba this is what you have:
rem 870 or 22 with 50 shells your choice
15 #6
3 4b buckshot
9 inch folding knife
matches in a waterproof case stuffed with cotton balls to keep from rattling
lighter wrapped in duct tape in a water proof case with your licence
4 in 1 whistle,thermometer,magnify glass and compass
about 3 feet of small string
canteen with a piece of jerky stuffer in the case/strap
lets just say you don't walk out for two days.
weather :0- -20 and a mix of sun and snow.
crashdive123
10-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Sarge - I took more of a survival training school approach. Here is a basic outline.

Beginner Course

Length of course: 3 days, two nights
Environment: Wooded, easy to moderate terrain
Weather: Not in my hands
Season: Late Spring, Summer, Early Fall
Equipment: Each student will be provided with basic camping equipment
Supplies: A wide variety of foods will be provided

The beginner course will place an emphasis on:
1. Keeping a positive mental attitude
2. First Aid
3. Building simple shelters
4. Fire Craft
5. Locating and making it safe to drink
6. Signaling
7. Acquiring food
8. Knot tying and lashing
9. Introduction to topo maps and compass

The intermediate course of instruction would be one full week and build upon the skills listed in the beginner course.
1. Keeping a positive mental attitude
2. Advanced First Aid
3. More complex shelter construction
4. Advanced Fire Craft
5. Advanced Water acquisition
6. Signaling
7. Tracking, trapping, hunting, advanced wild edibles
8. Intermediate orienteering skills

The advanced coursed of instruction would vary in length and be climate specific.
1. Dessert survival
2. Mountain Survival
3. Tropical Survival
4. Open Ocean Survival
5. Winter Survival
Gray Wolf
10-02-2008, 10:00 PM
here's one:

Bibow, you need to take a look at klkak's thread, for his scenario. He gave reasons for why your stuck with what you have. If I was bird hunting in southern Manitoba, in those conditions, I'd have more gear with me, just in case I wanted to stay the night!
Sarge47
10-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Sarge - I took more of a survival training school approach. Here is a basic outline.

Beginner Course

Length of course: 3 days, two nights
Environment: Wooded, easy to moderate terrain
Weather: Not in my hands
Season: Late Spring, Summer, Early Fall
Equipment: Each student will be provided with basic camping equipment
Supplies: A wide variety of foods will be provided

The beginner course will place an emphasis on:
1. Keeping a positive mental attitude
2. First Aid
3. Building simple shelters
4. Fire Craft
5. Locating and making it safe to drink
6. Signaling
7. Acquiring food
8. Knot tying and lashing
9. Introduction to topo maps and compass

The intermediate course of instruction would be one full week and build upon the skills listed in the beginner course.
1. Keeping a positive mental attitude
2. Advanced First Aid
3. More complex shelter construction
4. Advanced Fire Craft
5. Advanced Water acquisition
6. Signaling
7. Tracking, trapping, hunting, advanced wild edibles
8. Intermediate orienteering skills

The advanced coursed of instruction would vary in length and be climate specific.
1. Dessert survival
2. Mountain Survival
3. Tropical Survival
4. Open Ocean Survival
5. Winter Survival

Very interesting, this reads like the "Table of Contents" page in one of my older Boy Scout Handbooks!:):cool:
trax
10-03-2008, 10:46 AM
Crash, very nicely done
Bibow
10-03-2008, 11:38 AM
gray wolf that is what i always carry hunting. i forgot to add a small piece of tinfoil though
Gray Wolf
10-03-2008, 12:08 PM
gray wolf that is what i always carry hunting. i forgot to add a small piece of tinfoil though

To use as a loin cloth? Bibow isn't hunting naked against the law? :eek:
crashdive123
10-03-2008, 02:34 PM
Very interesting, this reads like the "Table of Contents" page in one of my older Boy Scout Handbooks!:):cool:

It's meant to be an outline, or table of contents if you will. Part of my background - degree in education, Master Training Specialist and Curriculum Developer in the Navy. For any training course that I have, or will develop I start with asking "what does the student need to learn" and then look at the steps that will take them from a starting point to the end goal.
Bibow
10-03-2008, 02:43 PM
To use as a loin cloth? Bibow isn't hunting naked against the law?
well if it keeps my food warm...
klkak
10-03-2008, 03:09 PM
well if it keeps my food warm...

This train has just jumped the track! The original topic was a challenge to those who teach survival to come up with some scenario's.
Bibow
10-03-2008, 04:08 PM
sorry about that
Rick
10-03-2008, 05:53 PM
It took like a day and a half of programming on a mainframe but it finally spit out your first victim..er uh...student. Notice, he already has both water and a way to carry it. Very astute!

http://www.kirkhamdotcom.org/images/blog/obese.jpg
Jericho117
10-03-2008, 06:06 PM
hahahahah holy crap that was funny........
huntermj
10-03-2008, 09:00 PM
As i mentioned in another thread i took a seven day field course at the Boulder Outdoor Survival School. The first couple of days you get a 32 ounce water bottle and a knife. after that you get a wool blankey and a poncho. The water bottle is a recent addition, after a man died of dehydration. you also get your first food, some potato's and carrots with the blankets. Hike 10 to20 miles each day while finding food and building a fire bow kit. For the majority of folks on this board this would not be difficult. At first i looked at the city people and thought they will end up quiting i was nicely surprised to see them really get into it and learn so much. The point is, people are capable are of much more then they think. Which is the point of the course.
klkak
10-06-2008, 03:14 AM
Sarge has invited all the survival instructors to participate. There is already a thread for "beginner" and "intermediate". There will soon be one for "advanced". Please feel free to add a scenario. These are good training tools. Share your knowledge.
Sarge47
10-06-2008, 07:23 AM
This thread is a great way to get away from all the political speculation that's been posted by certain members, one with the appropriate initials: "B.S.", BTW.:D

I've enjoyed reading what's been written so far but wonder if anybody can come up with an actual "outdoor" scenario. You know, something that perhaps you might use to train a group of Scouts? An actual program that would immediately transfer to an outdoor program.:confused:
Dennis K.
10-06-2008, 09:12 AM
gray wolf that is what i always carry hunting. i forgot to add a small piece of tinfoil though

No, guys. The tinfoil is used to fashion a hat to protect you from big brother's brain wave reading devices...
Sarge47
10-22-2008, 09:17 PM
So okay, I gave everybody their shot & a few of you took it seriously, most either never responded or turned it into a BS session. So go to my latest Blog:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/blog.php?b=153

Read it, think about it, then come back to this thread to post your answers. :cool:
Runs With Beer
10-22-2008, 09:21 PM
CRASH you aint rite.
crashdive123
10-22-2008, 09:29 PM
CRASH you aint rite.

Whad I do this time?
crashdive123
10-24-2008, 09:22 AM
Sarge - I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking us what things we would be looking for as an instructor and how we would grade them?
Sarge47
10-24-2008, 12:47 PM
Sarge - I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking us what things we would be looking for as an instructor and how we would grade them?
Yes...yes...yes...I'm NOT looking for another "Forum Scenario" like we've had in the past, but a real-life, "hands-on" field-test of survival skills & knowledge. Also left out the weather situation, so assume that it's moderate weather which may or may not include rain.:cool:
crashdive123
10-29-2008, 07:50 AM
Well, here goes......Since this is an evaluation for beginners, the scenario that I give them is: You are all lost and the bus has run out of gas. Here are the things that I am looking for - how they perform as a group and the plan that they formulate. Collectively they have the skills to survive, or even thrive so I want them working as a team and not individuals. I want to see who emerges as a leader. Some things that I expect are calmness since they have done all of their pre-trip planning, have notified people where they would be and for how long. I would expect them to set up camp around the bus (already a great shelter that may aid in a visual cue for searchers). I would want them to work in small groups or pairs for every task. They have food and water and with the skills present in the group can esily obtain more. Some of the members that lack a particular skill set will be learning new ones. Since it is a test for beginners, that's what I would be looking for. Hope that's what you're looking for.
Sarge47
10-29-2008, 01:01 PM
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about! You can have a "pass-fail" sytem or grading them by a point system where "X" amount of ponts increases their standing; similar to the Boy Scouts "Tenderfoot, 2nd Class, 1st Class...etc..":cool:
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