Survivorman/Man vs. Wild.

[lucznik]

Hey did you guys know that ol' Bear is now writing/publishing a series of survival novels?

Here's some of the info about them:

Mission: Survival - Way of the Wolf
Stranded in Alaska! Beck Granger and his anthropologist uncle are on their way to visit Anakat Village, home to one of the native peoples of Alaska, when their tiny plane crashes in the Alaskan wilderness. With his uncle badly injured and the plane way off its original flight path, Beck realises he can't wait around for rescue. He needs to get help - and fast! Together with his new friend, Tikaani, Beck sets off through bear country and up towards the mountains that block his way to civilisation. Can Beck keep himself and Tikaani alive as they ford a dangerous river, find food to keep their strength up and dig a snow cave in which to weather an ice storm? A tense and exciting struggle for survival with real survival details and gruesome tips!

Mission Survival: Sands of the Scorpion
Lost amid the desert sands! When Beck Granger and his friend, Peter, join Beck's Uncle Al for a holiday in Africa, they aren't expecting to find themselves stranded in the Sahara Desert. But when they stumble upon a smuggling ring and have to bail out of a plane over the desert, Beck knows their chances of survival are slim. Somehow they must find their way back to civilisation, but there are snakes, scorpions and the merciless rays of the sun to overcome first! This is a gripping African adventure packed with real survival details and dangers at every turn!

Mission Survival: Tracks of the Tiger
Volcano eruption! Beck and his friend are on a relaxing holiday in Borneo, visiting orang-utan sanctuaries and hanging out by the pool. Except that when they spend the afternoon out in the jungle, things take an unexpected turn, and a volcano eruption leaves them stranded and alone. Beck must use all his skills to survive the dangers of the jungles and swamps of Borneo - can he get them to safety alive?

About the Author
Bear Grylls was trained by the British SAS. A world-record-breaking adventurer, successful TV presenter and bestselling author, he is also one of the world's youngest and most sought-after motivational speakers. He was recently awarded an honorary commission as a Lieutenant-Commander in the Royal Navy.


Man, I'm gonna have to get me some of them!!!! I'll bet each and every book includes a vivid description of at least one traditional British pee (oops. I mean tea) party!

[rwc1969]

I think i've changed my thinking on Bear. His show is definitely not a true survival show, but it is entertaining.

[Matt86]

I remember watching a man vs wild episode..i think it was the texas one...where he was doing parkour style moves to cross a series 4 foot deep and maybe 3 foot wide drop offs...i dont know abour bear but the last thing i want to do in a survival situation is break my ankle or worse...buy hey i might be crazy :)

[Magpie]

Since most of you hate bear grylls. I read a lot of the stuff on that bear wiki site that shows a LOT of stuff he's been caught doing, but there was hardly anything for season 3. I hadn't had the chance to watch season 3 on tv so I got it on dvd and I gotta say, I don't see WHY there isn't more stuff about season 3 because it's almost like they aren't even trying to cover their mistakes anymore. The editing is just plain poor and riddled with inconsistencies. The first episode (can't remember where he was) he gets extremely swollen in the face from a bee sting, the show goes on and the swelling seems to subside, he then "finds" a fresh water source later at the end of the episode and his face is miraculously swollen again! He obviously panicked and decided to make a quick ending scene to his show right after that happened, and they used other footage to fill in the gaps.
The next episode (I'm watching right now) he wrestles with this alligator he finds, I couldn't help but notice how lifeless this alligator seemed to be when he was "wrestling" with it and the editing taking place at the time was over the top, very chop choppy so that you can't quite make anything out. I think it's obvious what was done here. He also attempts to build a little raft and it quickly sinks, the weather is getting bad and he tries to fix it but it continues to sink, suddenly it's nice weather and it's much more improved and he says something like "I've managed to wait out the storm and reinforce my raft, 3rd time's a charm." It's utterly ridiculous. I've actually laughed out loud at some of the absurdness I've witnessed and I haven't even finished watching the 2nd episode. I thought before that people might have been exaggerating a bit on the things that he's been accused of, but now I think they just had a better production team back then. This is almost unwatchable now, I don't even think they're trying anymore. Haven't watched any of the new seasons because I don't have cable anymore. I think it's kind of like a magic trick, people KNOW better but they like to watch it anyway, why else is it the top rated show on discovery channel?

[Winnie]

Since most of you hate bear grylls. I read a lot of the stuff on that bear wiki site that shows a LOT of stuff he's been caught doing, but there was hardly anything for season 3. I hadn't had the chance to watch season 3 on tv so I got it on dvd and I gotta say, I don't see WHY there isn't more stuff about season 3 because it's almost like they aren't even trying to cover their mistakes anymore. The editing is just plain poor and riddled with inconsistencies. The first episode (can't remember where he was) he gets extremely swollen in the face from a bee sting, the show goes on and the swelling seems to subside, he then "finds" a fresh water source later at the end of the episode and his face is miraculously swollen again! He obviously panicked and decided to make a quick ending scene to his show right after that happened, and they used other footage to fill in the gaps.
The next episode (I'm watching right now) he wrestles with this alligator he finds, I couldn't help but notice how lifeless this alligator seemed to be when he was "wrestling" with it and the editing taking place at the time was over the top, very chop choppy so that you can't quite make anything out. I think it's obvious what was done here. He also attempts to build a little raft and it quickly sinks, the weather is getting bad and he tries to fix it but it continues to sink, suddenly it's nice weather and it's much more improved and he says something like "I've managed to wait out the storm and reinforce my raft, 3rd time's a charm." It's utterly ridiculous. I've actually laughed out loud at some of the absurdness I've witnessed and I haven't even finished watching the 2nd episode. I thought before that people might have been exaggerating a bit on the things that he's been accused of, but now I think they just had a better production team back then. This is almost unwatchable now, I don't even think they're trying anymore. Haven't watched any of the new seasons because I don't have cable anymore. I think it's kind of like a magic trick, people KNOW better but they like to watch it anyway, why else is it the top rated show on discovery channel?

It's what?? Good lord, I managed to watch about 10 minutes of the first ever episode and came to the conclusion my Girl Guide handbook was a much better learning tool. I haven't watched anymore, I find it far too embarrasing!

[Rick]

Go out to his website and look at how many write in and thank him for the information he shares. They are going out into the wild and use it. Scary stuff. I'm truly surprised someone has been seriously injured doing his goofy stunts and sued him and the production company.

[rwc1969]

Now that is scary, Rick. I think bear is showing worst case scenarios. I hope!

[Bushmeat]

Im kind of suprised that people that believe they are survivors, Although i do admit that most that want to comment are probably armchair survivors, want to argue who is better out of the 2.

Well for me i can gain knowledge from both, straight up end of deal.

But one, Bear is showing how to get to civilization as quick as possible, Taking the tact it is up to you to get out.

The Other Les, is showing how to survive in an environment till you get found by outside help.

To take an episode of each that i can relate to and am knowledgeable about, is still hard because they put themselves in totally different environments in Oz.

Les put himself in the Gawler ranges in South Australia (which is not that remote and more than likely he was on a sheep station/Farm) and the made the biggest rookie mistake in the first instance, and made no mention of it on the show. And if his show is informational he failed.
He left the plane. Simple. Doing what he did he did made survival almost impossible but his own responsibility.
In Australia if you get done in the outback, don't matter if its a plane or 4 Wheel Drive, don't leave the vehicle, so much easier to see from the sky.
Thats the first lesson they teach and the number one reason for people perishing in the outback.

On the Other Hand Bear put himself into an actual really remote location that you will probably travel 500 miles in any direction and still not see another human.
But he traverses the environment to get going in the way he thinks he will meet civilization.

At the end of the day they both made mistakes for the environment they were in.

Point im trying to make is its only the human condition that requries one to be better than the other,t i can take from both lessons to be learnt and mistake to avoid.

Im a survivor, i will take any knowledge i can, from any where i can.
I would rather conserve my energy to learning from both that ridiculing either.

And the number one factor to peoples survival in any environment is their mental condition.

All i can say is that there are a lot of people that like to comment with nothing but their own egotistical ideal that they know best and want to hate one or defend another, this to me is not a survivalist attitude, learn what you can, adapt what you can.

One Final Question? How many people have spent more than 3 night in the bush (what ever your bush maybe) with only a knife to survive with.
What im asking is can you make these accusations and state YOUR ideas without actually testing yourself.

At the end of the day Knowledge is power and even if i can learn from a tv shows mistakes, Im Learning.

[Bushmeat]

I remember watching a man vs wild episode..i think it was the texas one...where he was doing parkour style moves to cross a series 4 foot deep and maybe 3 foot wide drop offs...i dont know abour bear but the last thing i want to do in a survival situation is break my ankle or worse...buy hey i might be crazy :)


Did you watch this episode with the mute on?

He said it is a practiced move used by different military for moving quickly across broken ground.

You are not practiced at it and as such is not advised. I have used this as a way of moving across rocks and cliffs when fishing, but then again i practice bouldering and other agility movements for crossing ground quickly.

it is a useful skill, if practiced, and you have the fitness to maintain.

unlike the exercise you get from punching youre nubs aimlessly at a keyboard. :cool2:

[Ted]

To be blunt imo Bears a joke, only saw his show twice and that was two times too many.Les on the other hand I've only seen maybe 5 times and loved it. Only caught him once bs"n.

He was making a fire, using a bow and drill , everthing was cool till I noticed his fireboard was a perfect piece of 1x3 about 6 inches long. He didn't say he found it , or he brought it along. Sorry but I'm very serious about survival and wouldn't have thought twice about it i he had claimed he found it or took it with him. It was just there.

[Rick]

And he might just have overlooked an explanation for it. I cut both a bit of slack in that regard. Like the time that diesel pusher motor home accidentally got in the photo when Bear was lost in the Canadian Rockies. Just an oversight.

[hunter63]

It still knocks me out when y'all are cutting up on TV shows, ya know, not real?.........beats the carp out of soaps.

Come on, these guys figured out how to make a bunch of bucks doing fun stuff, instead of working for a living.

Bet their both making a lot more than I do...basically playing.
I enjoy both, realize that it's entertainment, pick out anything I can use, laugh at the rest.
Actually reading all the cut downs is entertaining also, so don't stop on'a'conna me.

[hunter63]

Here ya go, now even you can do it!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22591619/Ultimate-Guide-to-Wilderness-Living

[madmantrapper]

I would not watch either, I find the reality or whatever they're called shows, rediculis.

[klkak]

ridiculous

[madmantrapper]

ridiculous

Yea that's what I meant.

[Sarge47]

It still knocks me out when y'all are cutting up on TV shows, ya know, not real?.........beats the carp out of soaps. Come on, these guys figured out how to make a bunch of bucks doing fun stuff, instead of working for a living. (Here I go, can't help myself! :sneaky2:)
So what? Bear's info can get people hurt or killed!

Bet their both making a lot more than I do...So does a "crack dealer," a Hooker, & our esteemed President! So what? The old adage "the end justifies the means" doesn't work for me!


I enjoy both, realize that it's entertainment, pick out anything I can use, laugh at the rest.Yes, but you KNOW what's right & what's not! The Newbies that eat this stuff up are going to find themselves in a lot of trouble!


Actually reading all the cut downs is entertaining also, so don't stop on'a'conna me. No problem! :innocent: :sneaky2: :cool2:

[hunter63]

Well, Sarge, it's my opinion and I still stand by it.
I do agree with you and most everyone that it's a bunch of crap, just thought I would present a different point of view.
Your call.

[Sarge47]

Alls I'm saying is that these programs are NOT being shown on a regular network, but one that claims to be educational. Sooner or later we're going to read about some naive young person being rushed to a hospital because they drank their own urine as a result of what they saw "Grylli Vanilli" do! That may not bother you, but it does me. :cool2:

[hunter63]

America's Funnies Videos is on a major network.
Sorry, but I can't buy into saving all the stupid ones.
I was just voicing my opinion, as you are, so I guess we agree to disagree?

Possibly your objections should be directed at the educational channels?

[rwc1969]

Sarge them there educational networks ain't what they used to be. NatGeo, History, PBS, Discovery, TLC channels are all real good examples of that.

It's not just Bare's show, but all of em.

Everything is hype, blown outta proportion, theory, biased, etc. Not real history or fact but some "BS artist's?" abstract impression of it. It's all designed to get viewers by any means possible and to infuence people's thoughts.

Anyone who relies on those shows as fact is most likely gonna die anyhoo from self inflicted ignorance. I won't blame bare, instead I blame people's idea that TV is reality, or their idea that because someone implies something is fact it must be. Rather than questioning that "authority?" and finding out for ourselves what is fact and what is BS.

Heck, even the books used in school no longer contain facts per se', rather they offer the viewpoint of the author, publisher, etc. on the subject. Books are being written more and more to influence thought rather than to teach the facts and let those facts influence our thoughts.

Everybody wants us to think or act in a way that benefits them or their ideals and will create shows, news stories, and write books that do just that with no consideration for facts, honesty or the safety of the readers and viewers.

[crashdive123]

Sometimes the gene pool needs thinning. Maybe that is why Bear was given a show.

[Trabitha]

Man Vs. Wild, while amazingly entertaining...is not as educational as it could be. I think I watch it from time to time, simply to see if he will barf up whatever poop he's decided to chow down on. I also have a game of placing bets on how many times he injures himself while barreling down a mountain or swimming across a fast moving river.
The man is an accident waiting to happen. The shear irresponsibility of teaching people to be so reckless in the wilderness is baffling.

Survivor man isn't 100% either, but it's significantly more educational. While he's never in REAL danger, he teaches some useful lessons and does so without eating poo. LOL!!

[Camp10]

I also have a game of placing bets on how many times he injures himself while barreling down a mountain or swimming across a fast moving river.
The man is an accident waiting to happen. The shear irresponsibility of teaching people to be so reckless in the wilderness is baffling.

Yeah, I think it is just a matter of time before he does a "Steve Irwin" and then there will finally be some stories about how stupid and irresponsible Bear was..

[rwc1969]

I think bares show is losing ratings and will not be on the air too much longer.

[lucznik]

I just watched his "Urban Survivor" episode. I was laughing out loud at the stupidity he engaged in. One of the funniest parts to me was his location. He said it was an "abandoned urban environment somewhere along the Baltic coast."

Above the building he entered was a sign that said "Gdynia Shipyard" in Polish. This was so funny because I know EXACTLY where that is - I used to live about 5 or so miles away from that very building. His "urban wasteland" is dead center in the middle of the "Tri-city" area of Gdańsk, Gdynia, and Sopot - a decidedly not-abandoned area in one of the most beautiful cities in Poland. He just was in an abandoned building in the warehouse district. He was never more than 200 yards away from civilization.

[Sarge47]

He was never more than 200 yards away from civilization.
Figures. :cool2:

[2dumb2kwit]

I think Hunter and Sarge are both right, but I'm gonna go with crash, on this one......sometimes, you just need to thin the herd! LOL:innocent:

(Maybe kids should watch a "reality show".....like Jersey Shore.):innocent:

[2dumb2kwit]

Sometimes the gene pool needs thinning. Maybe that is why Bear was given a show.

Yep...I think Cliff's Buffalo Theory applies. LOL:innocent:


"Well you see, Norm, it's like this . . . A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

[hunter63]

I just watched his "Urban Survivor" episode. I was laughing out loud at the stupidity he engaged in. One of the funniest parts to me was his location. He said it was an "abandoned urban environment somewhere along the Baltic coast."

Above the building he entered was a sign that said "Gdynia Shipyard" in Polish. This was so funny because I know EXACTLY where that is - I used to live about 5 or so miles away from that very building. His "urban wasteland" is dead center in the middle of the "Tri-city" area of Gdańsk, Gdynia, and Sopot - a decidedly not-abandoned area in one of the most beautiful cities in Poland. He just was in an abandoned building in the warehouse district. He was never more than 200 yards away from civilization.

I just watched it as well.
I do/as least did, give the guy credit, he comes up with stuff that sells, ........
at least till someone sees it.
I still think it would be cool making money, doing something fun.

I even considered sending in a video to the Survivor program, and volunteer to be the first one voted off, so I could lay around in a cool hotel somewhere on their dime for 38 more days.

But I gotta tell ya, that had to be the dumbest thing I ever saw, even worst than The Apocalypse guy one.
This one reminded me of vandals breaking in to factories.

The factory I used to work at was closed, and looked kinda like the one he was in.
Had vandals breaking in all the time.
Couple guys broke into the substation and got fried pretty good, so were suing the company as the fence wasn't good enough to keep them out.

[trax]

Everything is hype, blown outta proportion, theory, biased, etc. Not real history or fact but some "BS artist's?" abstract impression of it. It's all designed to get viewers by any means possible and to infuence people's thoughts.

Kind of like the public education system when you put it that way.

[lucznik]

The factory I used to work at was closed, and looked kinda like the one he was in.
Had vandals breaking in all the time.
Couple guys broke into the substation and got fried pretty good, so were suing the company as the fence wasn't good enough to keep them out.

That sounds about like par for the course.

My sons and I watch ol' Bear and I let them point out what they think are his mistakes and stupidities. We then discuss what Bear could/should have done that would have been safer, smarter, and more effective. I have to say, they're mighty adept boys. Makes a dad proud.

So, I guess I do have to give Bear some credit. His show has proven a good catalyst for some very interesting and educational discussions in my house.

[Sarge47]

Here's my idea for the next "Numpty...er...I mean..."Man vs. Wild" episode. Bear has to survive in South Central, in East L.A. wearing the wrong gang colors. The rest of us get to bet on how long it takes for the "bangers" to shove that expensive knife up his cute little tush! :innocent:

[Rick]

All righty then. There's three words I never expected to hear from you in the same sentence....Bear.....cute......tush.

I'll be backing out of here now.

[hunter63]

Yeah, what the???.........
Never mind.

[Wise Old Owl]

Well the fun is over after Les Stroud's New Orleans survival show, he hung it up and took the proceeds to build a log cabin off grid somewhere in the USA.

Bear is still making shows.

[Old GI]

Just saw on another forum site that on one of his (recent?) shows, that Bear gave himself an enema to ingest non-potable water while riding on a raft. Anybody see such a thing? If it's true, it's no surprise.:clap:

[lucznik]

It was played as a rerun last night on Discovery so; it is definitely true. It wasn't just "non-potable" water either. It was water contaminated with bird feces.

Nasty.

I didn't let my kids watch that part. Too vile.

[Rick]

What a load of crap.

[Ted]

Well he certainly needs a enema...he's so full o's**t!

[Rick]

I think that's what I said.

[Old GI]

All the enemas in the world and he'd still be FOS.

[Rick]

Since Les and quite the Survivorman series and no one likes Bear (NO ONE!) I'm going to nominate these brothers to kick off a new series in survival reality shows. I think they have a lot to contribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsgVspgy184

[hunter63]

Take off, hey, the The Mckenzie Brothers, you hoser, eh.
The 12 days of Christmas is hilarious.
http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/mckenziebrotherschristmas.html

[SurvivalFaith]

don't forget Ray Mears guys :)
some of the videos can be viewed on this site :
http://survivalvideo.blogspot.com/search/label/Ray%20Mears%20Survival%20Video

[Sarge47]

don't forget Ray Mears guys :)
some of the videos can be viewed on this site :
http://survivalvideo.blogspot.com/search/label/Ray%20Mears%20Survival%20Video
I don't like him. Besides, this thread is dedicated to Bear & Les. :offtopic:

[mule100]

first off i'm new here so hi to everyone, 2nd heres 2 links read them and then if anyones still in dout how big a fraud Bear is explane why he stays in a hotel at the end of a days filming also he should of shown us how to survive with a busted shoulder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7304617.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/08/bear-grylls-antarctica
i did my survivle with the british forces and they teach you not to take any risks if you hurt yourself it is harder to live! the stuff bear does is just for show! and why does he have to talk like that?

Ian

[crashdive123]

Hey there Ian. How about finding your way on over to the Introduction Section and tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[Rick]

I edited your post. One of the rules is PG-13. We do have kids on here. Thanks!!

[mule100]

my apologies

[Justin Case]

How can anyone call them Phonies ? It is what it is,, There is no doubt that they are doing what you see them do ? So what if he didnt actually sleep out in the bush,, I wouldn't either,,If I didnt have too.. He DOES show himself eating some disgusting stuff,, cant take that away from him,, I have learned a lot of stuff watching both those shows,, :)

[Sarge47]

How can anyone call them Phonies ? It is what it is,, There is no doubt that they are doing what you see them do ? So what if he didnt actually sleep out in the bush,, I wouldn't either,,If I didnt have too.. He DOES show himself eating some disgusting stuff,, cant take that away from him,, I have learned a lot of stuff watching both those shows,, :)
I ususlly call them phonies when they tell lies as a rule. Just sayin'...:smash:

[mule100]

i agree he eats stuff that would make a Billy goat puke but theres more to survivle than eating grap, jumping off cliffs and running round like a mad man!
its better to take your time and think about what your doing NOT show boating in front of the cameras
do you see Les Hiddins, Ray Mears, les Stroud or anyone else acting like him NO! its so easy for things to go wrong why risk making thing worse! Bear fell and broke his shoulder and got air lifted out if it was a real survivle situation he'd would of died...!!!

Ian

[Justin Case]

i agree he eats stuff that would make a Billy goat puke but theres more to survivle than eating grap, jumping off cliffs and running round like a mad man!
its better to take your time and think about what your doing NOT show boating in front of the cameras
do you see Les Hiddins, Ray Mears, les Stroud or anyone else acting like him NO! its so easy for things to go wrong why risk making thing worse! Bear fell and broke his shoulder and got air lifted out if it was a real survivle situation he'd would of died...!!!

Ian

Because it keeps him on TV ,, Simple,, BTW,, Man vs Wild is NOT a REAL Situation ,, Of course he got airlifted out, He is a Celebrity, Its A TV Show :smash:

[crashdive123]

How can anyone call them Phonies ? It is what it is,, There is no doubt that they are doing what you see them do ? So what if he didnt actually sleep out in the bush,, I wouldn't either,,If I didnt have too.. He DOES show himself eating some disgusting stuff,, cant take that away from him,, I have learned a lot of stuff watching both those shows,, :)

Here's one for you that is IMO something that qualifies as phony and exceedingly dangerous to the viewer that may attempt it some day because they saw Bear do it.

Jumping in the water with a small day pack for floation and traversing rapids. It turns out that he was wearing a floation jacket beneath his clothing. He did not disclose this.

What say you?

[Rick]

Check out YouTube for Bears escapade into the lava fields. You'll see he was right off the highway.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

The question was who is the better survivor. Analizing this strictly from the skills exhibited I voted for Bear Grylles. He would not do that stuff if he were not getting paid to do it. Just giving the people what they want.

[Justin Case]

Here's one for you that is IMO something that qualifies as phony and exceedingly dangerous to the viewer that may attempt it some day because they saw Bear do it.

Jumping in the water with a small day pack for floation and traversing rapids. It turns out that he was wearing a floation jacket beneath his clothing. He did not disclose this.

What say you?

Oh, well thats not good,, I do think there should be a better disclosure at the beginning of every show,, There is too much sensationalism ,, But he does keep me entertained,,

[Justin Case]

The question was who is the better survivor. Analizing this strictly from the skills exhibited I voted for Bear Grylles. He would not do that stuff if he were not getting paid to do it. Just giving the people what they want.

I am going with Les Stroud,, Mainly Because he did this,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_fteTJQ_Q

[wareagle69]

i have stayed out of this debate thus far but after the evnts of this week something occured to me.
Les often says that he is doing this show to help the ordinary man, and thats what he claims to be just a guy in the bush, but yet this week at least two ontario survival instructors claimed to have trained les, what they should be saying is that les trained with them for a time, les has trained with allen also and with many many local survival consultants, how many of us can do that when travelling,? spend 48 hrs or so with a local expert to help out trip.
what any show does is the interesting stuff, to get ratings, yes i know better than to just jump off of a cliff, but some may not, but still i have taken useful info from bear and from les even if someone was proven to be a fake and total liar but had good info on the show, would you just discount that technique because of it?
I am sure all the haters on here have watched every episode of both boys and critiqued the show, i know i have, but still i have learned from both, both of them have gotten rich off of fools like us and so will the next guy to come along(watch for my show airing this fall)
WE

[lucznik]

...two ontario survival instructors claimed to have trained les, what they should be saying is that les trained with them for a time...

Les did a "behind the scenes" special about 2 years (?) back where he openly showed exactly what you are describing.

According to the episode, Les would go in a few days before his shoot to scout out an appropriate location and to train with local experts so as to know what things he might show when out on his own.

I don't have a problem with that. I wouldn't have a problem with Bear doing it either. There really is no possible way one man is going to know enough to deal with every possible environment on earth without some expert instruction. The difference is that, after being given some local knowledge, Les went out alone and tried what he had learned. Sometimes he failed, and he showed that too. As long as the skills being shown are real, are shown without trick angles, with no hidden safety nets, and are basically honest in their portrayal (i.e don't present a scenario that the host is staying the night in the wild when in reality he is in a hotel sucking down mini-bottles; don't claim he is wading through miles of sewers trying to "find a way back to civilization" when he's never been more than a football field away from a busy thoroughfare, etc.) I'm O.K. with the realities inherent with making and producing a TV show.

[billdawg]

http://www.backpacker.com/suvivorman_fan_dies/blogs/daily_dirt/1691

Interesting. The guy seemed to have some decent tools with him, apparently, he didn't do soemthign right. Too bad, but, just watching a couple shows, doesn't make you ready.

[lucznik]

http://www.backpacker.com/suvivorman_fan_dies/blogs/daily_dirt/1691

Interesting. The guy seemed to have some decent tools with him, apparently, he didn't do soemthign right. Too bad, but, just watching a couple shows, doesn't make you ready.

That really is too bad. I'm sorry this happened to him.

However, although anecdotal and not statistically valid, this event does help illustrate the danger of "training" for survival by watching videos and/or reading books - regardless of who produces/publishes them.

Although I know this represents a bit of "preaching to the choir" I thought I would just add the thought here that anyone who is really serious about developing true "wilderness survival" skills needs to:

1. "Perfect" skills at home and on short trips in the Summer months when the weather isn't so deadly before venturing out into the true wilderness. However, even then, one needs to realize that when they are actually "in the field" things will be very different than they were at home.
2. Always travel with an experienced companion until such time as they can readily demonstrate their abilities before ever soloing - especially in the winter.
3. Practice with the safety net of a full camp setup readily available, again until they can readily demonstrate their abilities before trying to venture out on a true minimalist survival camp.

Crawl before walking. Walk before running.

[Theluciddreamers]

first off i'm new here so hi to everyone, 2nd heres 2 links read them and then if anyones still in dout how big a fraud Bear is explane why he stays in a hotel at the end of a days filming also he should of shown us how to survive with a busted shoulder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7304617.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/08/bear-grylls-antarctica
i did my survivle with the british forces and they teach you not to take any risks if you hurt yourself it is harder to live! the stuff bear does is just for show! and why does he have to talk like that?

Ian


Just wondering if you did any research on Les Stroud? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorman Les has a whole crew right near him at all times. It's TV!!!! You think that discovery lets either of them go out without safety nets? I can see the headlines now. "Discovery channel sued by the stroud family for not saving Les Stroud's life when attacked by mountain lions" I've seen Les get bailed out more than once due to weather or lack of water. I like Stroud better because he had a survival school that he taught for like 20 years, and he made many different movies/doc about wilderness survival. Bear is well trained too, but makes a show for pure entertainment. I know for sure I wouldn't be doing random backflips in an abandon city! (Man vs. Wild Urban Survival)

For other members who have posted things( I started reading the threads, but its like 40 pages long) about how they both suck, or one sucks. I have to wonder if some of you are a little pissed that these dudes found away to make money doing something they love? I know that the shows aren't very realistic, but it's TV! I would rather watch those two dudes than sex in the city.

[Sarge47]

I don't care that they found a way to make money, but I think telling people that it's okay to drink urine straight from the bladder is just plain dangerous. :cool2:

[Ken]

You forgot to mention gross. :gagged:

[Rick]

and then there's that whole elephant poo .... ah, never mind.

[Theluciddreamers]

Yeah, but see people on jackass drink pee and eat poo, and others are still going to do as they do. We can't stop everyone from being stupid!

[Sarge47]

Yeah, but see people on jackass drink pee and eat poo, and others are still going to do as they do. We can't stop everyone from being stupid!Stopping? No! Warning? Yes! :cool2: I also agree with you that Grylls is a Jackass!

[Batch]

The reason that I know that Lea Stroud has a safety crew in the area is because he has shown it on the show several times. He fully disclosed and explains that it is just too dangerous to attempt some of the things for them to allow him to do it without the safety crew.

I watched the episode adrift at sea or something. He had two radios and a safety boat that was supposed to be following him. He lost sight of the boat and tried both of the radios. He couldn't contact them for hours and explained that he did not like that at all. If he experience a life threatening incident he could not get help like he was supposed to. They also did cut that episode short.

But, they fully disclosed everything. He probably is restricted in saying certain things. As the show requires you to believe he is all alone. They probably don't want to emphasis that they have greatly cut down any risk and put their stars safety as priority number two. Advertiser dollars always get first consideration. LOL

[Justin Case]

Watching Bear right Now, He is in The Sahara, Climbing up a rock face, Totally seen his safety line , he was tied off from the top, LOL

[hybrid]

neither... Malcom Douglas ;)

[hybrid]

thats right, noone has ever heard of him. Might be time to disconnect the cable, for all the good it does anyone.

[Old GI]

Just watched an old Survivorman and Les was doing something I was taught never to do. He was "parking" his ax by ramming the blade in the ground. I would have got my butt whipped if I did that as a kid (and probably later).

[Justin Case]

Say what you want,,, but I am watching survivorman right now on Discovery, (maybe a marathon, I hope) Anyway, right now its the one when he is adrift in the life raft,,, and although I know he is not in any "Real" danger as his support crew is close by,, I always enjoy his show,, IMO its MUCH better than Bear ,,,,, ;)

[welderguy]

I think the following idea would make for good TV viewing.
Take both Les and bear, stick them on a plane have them flowen to a location undisclosed to them for 2 weeks with nothing but what they have in there pockets and two video cameras and spare batteries for said cameras , Wonder what the out come of that would be.

[Justin Case]

I think the following idea would make for good TV viewing.
Take both Les and bear, stick them on a plane have them flowen to a location undisclosed to them for 2 weeks with nothing but what they have in there pockets and two video cameras and spare batteries for said cameras , Wonder what the out come of that would be.

They would probably kill each other ... lol ya know,, Right now, Les has just landed his raft on this little island ,,, But, There are Scorpions and Cockroaches there,, ? How do you suppose they got on that little island ?

(maybe its a bigger island than it looks ?)

[crimescene450]

ive always like stroud better
but he stopped making his show

i also saw a one time eventshow, on like discovery or something
where this guy stranded himself out in alaskan wilderness for 3 months
he only made it like 2 months before he had to be rescued

but he also had to follow hunting restrictions
and wasnt allowed to hunt elk

[David.Crockett]

WANTED: OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS WHO REALLY KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE
Do you have the skills to take on Mother Nature in all her fury and survive? Can you start a fire without a match, find water in the wilderness, hunt for food and brave the elements? A new television series is calling all wilderness junkies to demonstrate your survival skills. Maybe you are a wilderness guide, hunting/fishing/trek hand, or a backcountry camper with extraordinary skills. Maybe you've found yourself stranded, snowed-in or castaway - and survived. If you've got the will, the ingenuity and the wilderness sense to face the elements, now is the chance to prove it to the world.

Email us with a short explanation for what makes you an extreme survivor, or any stories that exemplify your outdoor survival skills, as well as a PICTURE, and preferably a video of you in action.

[crashdive123]

So that all are aware - I've sent DC a pm regarding his postings. I'll keep all members informed as to what I discover (the fact finding mission, not the cable channel).

[timberghost]

I also think bear g. shows you what you shouldn't do. Last episode I watched, he was pole vaulting boulder to boulder down a mountain! I guess thats okay if you want to break a leg,ankle or worse. I'm kinda partial to Dual survival. Cody Lundin and Dave Canterbury really know their stuff.

[lucznik]

I'm kinda partial to Dual survival. Cody Lundin and Dave Canterbury really know their stuff.


Really? You think so?

I have been somewhat underwhelmed by both of them. Maybe it's just the format that Discovery chooses but, they seem to do a lot of the same dumb crap that Bear tries.

The one thing that Cody does teach through his example - and does so both early and often is the absolute value of shoes and clothing. He's always demonstrating (albeit perhaps unwittingly) just how foolish his "life choice" to go barefoot everywhere is.

[pete lynch]

...i also saw a one time eventshow, on like discovery or something
where this guy stranded himself out in alaskan wilderness for 3 months
he only made it like 2 months before he had to be rescued

but he also had to follow hunting restrictions
and wasnt allowed to hunt elk

That was Ed Wardle. He cried a lot.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/alone-in-the-wild-eds-bio

[EagleScout]

in my opion, Bear Gryllis is crazy ha. most people wouldnt be able to climb up a tree and make a shelter in a tree, but he was apart of some type of military. bear has a more exterme way of survival. les, on the other hand, shows survival skills many people could accomplish. when im bored and want a little more excitment i look for man vs. wild, but when i want to learn about survival skills that i could actually do, les is the man.

[lucznik]

Did y'all see that ol' Bear now has a new signature knife?

It is to be made by Gerber and released sometime in November. You too can own one for only about $60.00.

http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000751-Survival-Ultimate-Serrated/dp/B003R0LSMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1281651230&sr=8-1

http://www.pitchengine.com/pitch/79188

From the Manufacturer
Introducing the Gerber Bear Grylls Survival Series gear. This collaboration brings together Gerber’s over 70 years of knife and gear expertise with Bear Grylls’ extensive outdoor survival and adventure experience to create a one-of-a-kind line of knives, tools and gear. From his time in the British SAS, to scaling Mount Everest, to hosting his survival television show all over the globe, Bear knows what it takes to be a survivor in extreme situations. Each item in the Survival Series is meticulous designed by Gerber and Bear to offer a multitude of uses in any environment.

The Ultimate Knife is the pinnacle of Gerber’s Bear Grylls Survival Series. Intricately designed by Gerber and Bear, it’s loaded with innovations that won’t be found in any other fixed blade knife. Like everything in the Survival Series, it also includes Bear’s Priorities of Survival pocket guide. Super useful in the wild, it offers a vital edge to any survivor.

Knife Features:

* 1/2 Serrated High Carbon Stainless Steel Drop Point Blade – Ideal for edge retention and cutting rope
* Full Tang Blade Construction- For maximum durability
* Ergonomic Textured Rubber Grip – Maximizes comfort and reduces slippage
* Stainless Steel Pommel – At base of handle for hammering
* Emergency Whistle – Integrated into lanyard cord

Sheath Feature:

* Fire Starter – Ferrocerium rod locks into sheath, striker notch incorporated into back of knife blade
* Nylon Sheath – Lightweight, military-grade, mildew resistant
* Land to air rescue instructions
* Diamond Sharpener – Integrated into sheath for on-the-go sharpening
* Priorities of Survival – Pocket guide contains Bear’s survival essentials

Tech Specs:

* Overall Length: 10-Inch
* Blade Length: 4.75-Inch
* Weight: 11.2-Ounce alone, 14.72-Ounce with sheath

[hunter63]

Looks like a new season is about to start.

[letslearntogether47]

I just got done reading Les Stroud's"Survive" book.
It was very informative and well worth the read.IMO,I think Bear and Les have two very different shows about the topic of survival.Bear is more into climbing stuff,like mountains, rocks,trees ect...ect.Where Les deals more with the psychological aspects of being alone in the wilderness.

[luke2-2008]

i like to watch both. if you weed threw the bs you can get some good info

[Beo]

Les Stroud is way better, Bear Grylls is a douche bag... in my opinion.
Beo,

[Sarge47]

Did y'all see that ol' Bear now has a new signature knife?

It is to be made by Gerber and released sometime in November. You too can own one for only about $60.00.

http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000751-Survival-Ultimate-Serrated/dp/B003R0LSMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1281651230&sr=8-1

http://www.pitchengine.com/pitch/79188

From the Manufacturer
Introducing the Gerber Bear Grylls Survival Series gear. This collaboration brings together Gerber’s over 70 years of knife and gear expertise with Bear Grylls’ extensive outdoor survival and adventure experience to create a one-of-a-kind line of knives, tools and gear. From his time in the British SAS, to scaling Mount Everest, to hosting his survival television show all over the globe, Bear knows what it takes to be a survivor in extreme situations. Each item in the Survival Series is meticulous designed by Gerber and Bear to offer a multitude of uses in any environment.

The Ultimate Knife is the pinnacle of Gerber’s Bear Grylls Survival Series. Intricately designed by Gerber and Bear, it’s loaded with innovations that won’t be found in any other fixed blade knife. Like everything in the Survival Series, it also includes Bear’s Priorities of Survival pocket guide. Super useful in the wild, it offers a vital edge to any survivor.

Knife Features:

* 1/2 Serrated High Carbon Stainless Steel Drop Point Blade – Ideal for edge retention and cutting rope
* Full Tang Blade Construction- For maximum durability
* Ergonomic Textured Rubber Grip – Maximizes comfort and reduces slippage
* Stainless Steel Pommel – At base of handle for hammering
* Emergency Whistle – Integrated into lanyard cord

Sheath Feature:

* Fire Starter – Ferrocerium rod locks into sheath, striker notch incorporated into back of knife blade
* Nylon Sheath – Lightweight, military-grade, mildew resistant
* Land to air rescue instructions
* Diamond Sharpener – Integrated into sheath for on-the-go sharpening
* Priorities of Survival – Pocket guide contains Bear’s survival essentials

Tech Specs:

* Overall Length: 10-Inch
* Blade Length: 4.75-Inch
* Weight: 11.2-Ounce alone, 14.72-Ounce with sheath
I like this one a lot better than the one made by Bailey's. I might even buy one down the road. More affordable and has extra features. Gerber is a great company. Makes you wonder how many orders came in for the $700 model. :sneaky2:

[lucznik]

Saw "FAN vs. Wild" Wednesday. Oh my goodness, what a fiasco!

Bear takes two complete wilderness virgins, both of whom harbor serious phobias, and has them run through a bunch of "survival" exercises like rappelling down granite cliffs, waterfalls, and crevasses, glissading down mountain sides, fording freezing glacial-water rivers by walking/swimming through the fastest, deepest parts he could find, and foraging/eating a dinner-appetizer of raw rabbit heart and a breakfast of raw worms. It was hilarious!!!

The best parts included:

1. Watching these guys eat raw worms rather than use them for bait to catch the fish that just HAD to be teeming in the river not 20 yards behind them.

2. Listening the innumerable "Bear Love-Fest/Worship" comments made by these guys.

Some of my favorites came from the guy from NYC who said (among other things):

"[Bear] can do anything; he can make fires, he can build stuff... hanging around greatness like that; some of it has to rub off eventually!"
"If Hell had a boot camp, this would be it!"
"This is it! This is the real deal! This is Man vs. Wild and it doesn't get any more real than that!"

3. Listening to Bear's voiceover commentary as he played the "HERO" and single-handedly saved these guys from their own inner demons and the ever-looming dangers of Nature.

I haven't laughed so hard in months. I really owe Bear a debt of gratitude for that.

[Sarge47]

Saw "FAN vs. Wild" Wednesday. Oh my goodness, what a fiasco!

Bear takes two complete wilderness virgins, both of whom harbor serious phobias, and has them run through a bunch of "survival" exercises like rappelling down granite cliffs, waterfalls, and crevasses, glissading down mountain sides, fording freezing glacial-water rivers by walking/swimming through the fastest, deepest parts he could find, and foraging/eating a dinner-appetizer of raw rabbit heart and a breakfast of raw worms. It was hilarious!!!

The best parts included:

1. Watching these guys eat raw worms rather than use them for bait to catch the fish that just HAD to be teeming in the river not 20 yards behind them.

2. Listening the innumerable "Bear Love-Fest/Worship" comments made by these guys.

Some of my favorites came from the guy from NYC who said (among other things):

"[Bear] can do anything; he can make fires, he can build stuff... hanging around greatness like that; some of it has to rub off eventually!"
"If Hell had a boot camp, this would be it!"
"This is it! This is the real deal! This is Man vs. Wild and it doesn't get any more real than that!"

3. Listening to Bear's voiceover commentary as he played the "HERO" and single-handedly saved these guys from their own inner demons and the ever-looming dangers of Nature.

I haven't laughed so hard in months. I really owe Bear a debt of gratitude for that.I watched a bit of it, those "fans" were just lucky that they weren't in Africa or Austrailia, then Bear would've had them drinking water out of a large elephant turd or drinking their own urine...two lucky guys for sure! :drunk: :FRlol: :crying:

[Sarge47]

And BTW, didn't those two "fans" remind you of the Bare Wilderness guys? :FRlol:

[Rick]

If the producers really wanted a good survival show then the two guys should have run the camera crew off at gun point, kidnapped Bear and taken him into the wilderness to prove he can do all the things he says he can.

His best show was getting stung by the bee. That was one righteous bee!

http://bensthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/10qyssk.gif?w=460

[TheWoodsman]

Les stroud is awesome and living his dream out there surviving.I would like to do that. His show teaches his methods of surviving, throwing out tips every few seonds (which is cool) but mainly the mental aspect (He shows that very good). Bear shows you what les avoids on purpose. Les says don't step in quick sand, bear says this is what happens if you go into quick sand (and jumps in). Both are good to watch and you can pick up odds and ends of techniques for your own personal info. I do favor Les way more though, keep it up Les,
Steve Burt

[Sarge47]

Bear shows you what les avoids on purpose.(like drinking urine!) Les says don't step in quick sand, bear says this is what happens if you go into quick sand (and jumps in). Both are good to watch(?????) and you can pick up odds and ends of techniques for your own personal info.(like how to squeeze water out of a large elephant turd!) I do favor Les way more though,(DUH!) keep it up Les,
Steve Burt Just couldn't resist. :whistling:

[miller4546]

BOTH SHOWS ARE Great, with draw backs....

MAN VS WILD
I live in Louisiana and have a wilderness survival school here i have been in survival since i was 7 years old, father was a military survival instructor and i would go with him and learn everything. my father told me , that one day i will need these skills to survive and it will prepare me for life.. it has.....after i graduated, i went into military served 15 years and learned as much as i could.. attended several military and civilian survival schools as well.

i received a call one day from a gentleman whom stated that he was affiliated to a Discovery Channel show. And they were filming in Louisiana swamps after Katrina. they offered me a consultation fee to help them and Mr. Bear Grylls to coordinate a route for his show. I agreed and meet the gentleman. He is a really great guy and we talked for several hours on and off. We spoke about his family, his training, etc. He is an SAS SOLDIER and took the legionnnaire training . he is highly trained and they are all crazy. to the point to psychotic> HE knows his stuff, but puts his life in danger alot. but shows you what and how to do things that others will not. he even went against my advice of several things. but he is a man and he signed a waiver....ALL IN ALL he is a good guy.....but a backup / safety crew 3 miles away for safety.

survivorman

no military training, that i am aware of, nice guy, he is not dead. but carries his own gear and very knowledgeable....multiple survival shows done with no help. but a backup / safety crew 3 miles away. very knowledgeable though

a new group
dual survival.. dave canterbury/ cody lundin

met both of them, this year while filming the episode on louisiana swamps... cody lundin.... barefooted surivalist with multiple books on the topic and very smart ... i trusted him. but held back alot and limited to only desert survival

dave canterbury. hot head, stole survival skills, advice and knowledge from people off youtube to include me, i did not have anything for this guy... i preferred cody over him...he used only things prevy to that episode from his youtube videos. everything was set up.. he learned off /stoled off youtube for each episode... he actually pulled his webpage .and.gear and marked up the price and ripped people off on his knives. and got his logo copyrighted.. not even his logo.... to make a quick buck.. i have nothing for this guy..everything he said was questionable....

again, safety crew only a 1/2 mile away and they stayed in a 45 acre area for safety issues....this was a joke....but easy

man, woman wild

mykel hawke. great guy. very knowledgable on survival and jungle, artic, desert, etc...military trained all survival schools, special forces trained, very cocky, met him once. this year..... good to go. hell he even brought his wife along and she was with him the whole time......safety crew 3 miles away for safety....

all in all my order.. but just my .02 cents
1) mykel
2) bear
3) les,
4) cody

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Aren't they all in it for the buck? Including yourself or do you run your school for free? There are millions of people out there that make the "experts" like amateurs just don't seek fame or fortune. I know dozens of Dick Phoenecki's that did not make a movie. Credentials don't count for squat. What matters is what you know, not that others know you know it. Unless of coarse you are in it for the bucks.

[hunter63]

Thats cool to have first hand experiance with most of them.

I always keep in mind that they are TV shows, better than a lot of sit-coms, 'reality shows, and most everything else, but still a show.

[EdD270]

Poll: Who is the better survivor?
My husband and kids love to watch these shows. Do you think they have anything to actually teach people about surviving in on "have-to" basis?

You ask two questions:
Who is the better survivor?
I'd have to guess it would be a toss up, since both are well trained and experienced, they both have the skills.
Do they actually teach people about surviving?
Les Stroud gives some good skill demonstrations and does show and explain how to do it on his show. But that don't really qualify as "teaching people", which takes much more time, repetition, supervised practice, etc.
Bear Grylls, on the other hand mostly deomstrates what not to do, and how to commit suicide in the wilderness and make it look like an accident. Not much of real use there, but it is entertaining to watch and that seems to be the sole goal of the show's producers.

[Sarge47]

BOTH SHOWS ARE Great, with draw backs....

MAN VS WILD
I live in Louisiana and have a wilderness survival school here i have been in survival since i was 7 years old, father was a military survival instructor and i would go with him and learn everything. my father told me , that one day i will need these skills to survive and it will prepare me for life.. it has.....after i graduated, i went into military served 15 years and learned as much as i could.. attended several military and civilian survival schools as well.

i received a call one day from a gentleman whom stated that he was affiliated to a Discovery Channel show. And they were filming in Louisiana swamps after Katrina. they offered me a consultation fee to help them and Mr. Bear Grylls to coordinate a route for his show. I agreed and meet the gentleman. He is a really great guy and we talked for several hours on and off. We spoke about his family, his training, etc. He is an SAS SOLDIER and took the legionnnaire training . he is highly trained and they are all crazy. to the point to psychotic> HE knows his stuff, but puts his life in danger alot. but shows you what and how to do things that others will not. he even went against my advice of several things. but he is a man and he signed a waiver....ALL IN ALL he is a good guy.....but a backup / safety crew 3 miles away for safety.

survivorman

no military training, that i am aware of, nice guy, he is not dead. but carries his own gear and very knowledgeable....multiple survival shows done with no help. but a backup / safety crew 3 miles away. very knowledgeable though

a new group
dual survival.. dave canterbury/ cody lundin

met both of them, this year while filming the episode on louisiana swamps... cody lundin.... barefooted surivalist with multiple books on the topic and very smart ... i trusted him. but held back alot and limited to only desert survival

dave canterbury. hot head, stole survival skills, advice and knowledge from people off youtube to include me, i did not have anything for this guy... i preferred cody over him...he used only things prevy to that episode from his youtube videos. everything was set up.. he learned off /stoled off youtube for each episode... he actually pulled his webpage .and.gear and marked up the price and ripped people off on his knives. and got his logo copyrighted.. not even his logo.... to make a quick buck.. i have nothing for this guy..everything he said was questionable....

again, safety crew only a 1/2 mile away and they stayed in a 45 acre area for safety issues....this was a joke....but easy

man, woman wild

mykel hawke. great guy. very knowledgable on survival and jungle, artic, desert, etc...military trained all survival schools, special forces trained, very cocky, met him once. this year..... good to go. hell he even brought his wife along and she was with him the whole time......safety crew 3 miles away for safety....

all in all my order.. but just my .02 cents
1) mykel
2) bear
3) les,
4) cody
Well now, I must respectfully disagree with you. I don't consider any of these guys survival "experts," but rather "survival instructors." I also don't hold it against them that they "stole" info as we've all learned from other people.

Here's the thing, I would hold people like PVC Outdoors, Pict, Ken, Crash, FinallyME, & Rick as "survival instructors" as well. It's NOT rocket science. so if we're looking at the 5 TV personalities, IMO it would go like this:

1.) Les
2.) Cody
3.) Dave

Mykel disqualified himself with the words "Happy Survivalin'" on his website as well as coercing his wife to drink his urine. Bear also for the same thing, drinking pee! Any TV "expert" that advocates something like this which every survival book quotes as a definite "no-no" is a danger to the young, impressionable viewers and should not be allowed on the air. :no: AS mentions that no one could keep up on the trail with Bear & that also disqualifies him as that's not a trait to be envied. Running "willy-nilly" through the wilderness like a "striped-azz ape" is NOT survival, but stupidity. Cody Lundin goes barefoot because it slows him down, forcing him to concentrate on the terrain he's traveling across. Then there's the fact that the most experienced in any group trying to survive has to keep the best interests of said group in mind. Survival is about staying alive! It's about keeping those with you alive! It's NOT about the ratings! My buck-two-fifty! :cool2:

[JPGreco]

My first thought when I first watched Man vs Wild was that Bear was an idiot for the things he did. I was so happy when they changed to style of the show to talking to the camera crea (acknowledged they were there) and when he stated that the things he is doing is a last resort type of thing (like when he jumps in ice cold water). Alot of that info is incredibly valuable and to see it is just another way to learn it, but its still crazy.

Les is my favorite. I would love to spend a few days out in the wild with that man. His other show, where he spends time with indeginious people is amazing as well.

Cody and Dave, eh, I can't stand the arguing. I do like Cody more though.

Man, Woman, Wild is interesting. More along the lines of Survivorman, where they get "stuck" with some gear. Its interesting seeing the dynamics of the situation with more than one person. I mean, if I got stuck with most of my friends, I'm the one with the most experience. The dynamics of talking someone who doesn't know their stuff through things is interesting (to me at least). They also acknowledge the camera crew which I like.

I would go:
-Les - just the man
-Cody - introduces a very unique approach, even if it seems idiotic at times (no shoes in the snow
-Bear - insane, but shows what to do in extreme situations. Yes, you should avoid them, but you gotta know what to do if it happens.
-Mykael

My idea for a show would be a true Survivor. Drop a bunch of people on an island, the crew films it all, they all get to bring a couple of things and thats it. Last man standing wins. They can go it alone, team up, raid other camps. Basically the only rule would be you can't severely hurt someone else or take prisoners... lol

[hunter63]

..................My idea for a show would be a true Survivor. Drop a bunch of people on an island, the crew films it all, they all get to bring a couple of things and thats it. Last man standing wins. They can go it alone, team up, raid other camps. Basically the only rule would be you can't severely hurt someone else or take prisoners... lol

They have on called "Survivor", the first of the genre, history making and still one of my favorites.
Now if they woud just not fog out the good shots.....................

[postman]

I can assure you that Les is the real deal. I recently took an advanced survival course with the same instructor that trained Les. His name is David Arama and he's been teaching wilderness survival for about 30 years. He runs a survival school in Ontario called WSC, which stands for wildernes survival challenge. He also trains military, police, and search and rescue.

[LongHuntre]

Ray Mears is the best IMHO but i really like Les

[Justin Case]

I watched LS new show "Beyond Survival" a couple of days ago, I seen this episode http://www.lesstroud.ca/beyondsurvival/ep2.php It was pretty Good ! looking at the link it looks like the show is all his,, Its on discovery but i "Think" he is the producer, not them..

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

My idea for a show would be a true Survivor. Drop a bunch of people on an island, the crew films it all, they all get to bring a couple of things and thats it. Last man standing wins. They can go it alone, team up, raid other camps. Basically the only rule would be you can't severely hurt someone else or take prisoners... lol
I think they should do a "Survival Forum Challenge" Let each of the different Forums choose 10 or 12 of their "Best"(The forums choose the members to represent that Forum With no "Instructors" allowed[Forum Members that actually teach survival classes]) and do what you are suggesting here. Drop each team into the same area over a few weeks time with the only gear given being a map and compass for the group with a start and finish point. Plus 2 items per team member, with no more than 2 of each item being allowed (I.E. 2 knives per team,2 pots,2 ponchos,2 first Aid kits, etc.... The team that does the "best" wins so many points and then off to another environment, to start again. Kind of a cross between Dual survival and that Urban Group survival show(What was the name of that show?) that Discovery Channel did.

[OhioGrizzLapp]

In my humble opinion... both in the poll are idiots and will get someone killed, especially Bear Grylis. Bear is a liabilty and not an asset to true wilderness survival fans. After the first few shows, I stopped watching them. The only show I watch now is the Husband /Wife team and that is only because she is cute as a button and ya just have to love her Brit accent.

[Justin Case]

In my humble opinion... both in the poll are idiots and will get someone killed, especially Bear Grylis. Bear is a liabilty and not an asset to true wilderness survival fans. After the first few shows, I stopped watching them. The only show I watch now is the Husband /Wife team and that is only because she is cute as a button and ya just have to love her Brit accent.

Yeah, but the guys dorky-ness outweighs her cute-ness !

[bill452010]

Definitly Les over Bear.Les tests a piece of equipment every episode.The space blanket,better used as part of your shelter to keep you dry than as a blanket to keep you warm.Wire saw better as a snare than cutting wood,He not only gives real solutions to problems,he tests what novices may depend on because of good advertising.Bear I respect his skills,but he does way to dangerous stunts for the ratings.He reminds me of Ted Nugent.He is an awesome hunter and I respect his views on life and politics,but the way he tries to get them across hurt more than they help.Just my opinion.

[bikerweb]

Less Stroud definatley has a more realistic show. Bear is a freak show. For gods sake cook the food you catch! I cant fault him though. He was british spec ops. Most guys loose it after they get out. You cant stop once you start. He directed it to the outdoors. Good on him.

[Justin Case]

Less Stroud definatley has a more realistic show. Bear is a freak show. For gods sake cook the food you catch! I cant fault him though. He was british spec ops. Most guys loose it after they get out. You cant stop once you start. He directed it to the outdoors. Good on him.

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[elabkokim]

I prefer Survivorman. Man vs Wild reminded me of the game show Survivor, where the only person with real survival training (in the first episode, first season) was immediately voted off. In a real survival situation, you do not banish your only real survival expert. Likewise, to get down a mountain, you do not carve a pine tree into a pole and use it to pole vault repeatedly down the side of a mountain.

What I mean is Man vs Wild struck me as not being real. Bear was doing things people should not do in real survival situations. I know Bear has real skills, but a show supposedly about surviving should really be about surviving, not taking foolish risks or showing off for the camera/audience. Oh well, that's Hollywood. I've seen every Survivorman episode and about five minutes of two different Man vs Wild Episodes.

Then I came across Dual Survival with Dave Canterbury and Cody Lundin. At first, I thought it was weird with Cody wearing nothing but wool socks in the snow in Nova Scotia, and Dave and Cody arguing about differences of opinion on just about everything. However, when Cody built an exceptionally warm efficient shelter for the night, he impressed Dave, and me too. Anyway, I watched every episode and it's my favorite series now. They argue a lot, but it just goes to show there isn't one right way to deal with every situation.

Comparing Dual Survival to Survivorman, I find the dialogue in Dual Survival to be a relief from listening to Les Stroud's monologue, which never bothered me the first time I watched it, but after watching Dual Survival and then watching some Survivor episodes for a second time, it almost sounded like constant complaining from Les Stroud. But maybe, that's the real deal. Get stuck in the middle of nowhere by yourself, and who wouldn't be constantly thinking negative thoughts? All the more reason to always stick to the buddy system.

[Trabitha]

Did I hear right? Did Bear REALLY wear a seal carcass as a wetsuit???

[Sarge47]

Bear did skin out a dead seal & use the hide as a sort of a wet suit. Now he's billing himself as a former SEAL! :devil2:

This thread was started way back in 2007, when there were only the 2 survival shows listed. Since then we've had several others. "Survivorman" didn't survive, but "Man vs. Wild" did. Then along came "Dual Survival", which became my favorite over "M. vs. W.," as well as another new one: "Man, Woman, Wild." I'd like to see Les do another series along side Dave & Cody, that would be "Super-Cool!" They could call it "Triple Survival." Bear could team up with the Hawkes and they could call that one: "Two idiots & a lady." 1st show out, Mrs. Hawke has to decide which of the 2 guys has the cuter tush! :devil2:

[copybiz]

Survivorman rules and is just plain more realistic

[Trabitha]

LOL @ Sarge!!
You know...I like duel survivor too! I thought Cody was a wus in the beginning...but the more I watch, the more I like him and think that Dave is overly reckless, angry, and irritating. LOL!! I have to say I was cheering for the bees in the bee hive when Dave thought it was a good idea to try and collect honey. He's such an idiot sometimes. LOL!!!

[Knife Guy]

There was a Man vs. Wild episode on yesterday in which Bear improvised a high altitude swing line on a rock face and later threw the line with a rock attached across a crevice and then shimmied across. Both activities looked like good ways to get killed or seriously injured if you were actually in survival mode as opposed to having a support crew to check the safety of your lines. I agree with others, it's an entertaining show and contains some good tips, but there are also some risky behaviors thrown in for the "TV effect" which would reduce, not enhance, your chances of survival.

--The Knife Guy

(http://www.survivalknifetips.com)

[Sarge47]

There was a Man vs. Wild episode on yesterday in which Bear improvised a high altitude swing line on a rock face and later threw the line with a rock attached across a crevice and then shimmied across. Both activities looked like good ways to get killed or seriously injured if you were actually in survival mode as opposed to having a support crew to check the safety of your lines. I agree with others, it's an entertaining show and contains some good tips, but there are also some risky behaviors thrown in for the "TV effect" which would reduce, not enhance, your chances of survival.

--The Knife Guy
Hey Knife Guy, why don't you "Shinney" over to the intro section & tell us about yourself?

[Ssgt_DimeBag]

Heres the old Les vs Bear!
First the man did serve in the SAS.
Second he has never said he served in the legion.He did a show with regular guys with legionaries.Called: Escape to the Legion.
Third at the beginning of all the shows it says"Bear Grylls and the crew receive support when they are in potentially life threatening situations, as required by health and safety regulations.
On some occasions, situations are presented to Bear so he can demonstrate survival techniques".

"Professional advice should always be sought before entering any dangerous environment".

Now this some times means they go to Bear and say "OK this is the deal now how would you get out"
Most of what he does is Military survival were you have to take them chances to get out from behind enemy lines!Yes I would take the chance of the water fall over two days to go around.People take life risks every time they climb Mt Everest and he even did that.
Now Les is more "no one is after me so I got all the time in the world to get out so I'll play my blow pipe".Les has a Sat phone on him at all times plus the crew is always near by mostly with a chopper and a camp.Following him at all times.You can even look at his web site and he will even tell you.
So these are two very different survivalist.One is "Crap my plane got shot down I got to get out of dodge".The other is "o man I got turned around lost my ride and now I have to walk out".I respect both men,but to totally say that one is a fraud over any other is just wrong.You may prefer the way Les does things,but that does not mean Bear is wrong in his ways.I don't have to watch a show of a man coming out half dead to understand what hes trying to show me.If the camera's not rolling I'm not sleeping in the cold just to prove my point either.

[Melissa Montana]

Yea what Dime said:tt2:.....Plus he is a lot sexier then the others.:tt1:

[Winnie]

Heres the old Les vs Bear!
First the man did serve in the SAS.
Second he has never said he served in the legion.He did a show with regular guys with legionaries.Called: Escape to the Legion.
Third at the beginning of all the shows it says"Bear Grylls and the crew receive support when they are in potentially life threatening situations, as required by health and safety regulations.
On some occasions, situations are presented to Bear so he can demonstrate survival techniques".

"Professional advice should always be sought before entering any dangerous environment".

Now this some times means they go to Bear and say "OK this is the deal now how would you get out"
Most of what he does is Military survival were you have to take them chances to get out from behind enemy lines!Yes I would take the chance of the water fall over two days to go around.People take life risks every time they climb Mt Everest and he even did that.
Now Les is more "no one is after me so I got all the time in the world to get out so I'll play my blow pipe".Les has a Sat phone on him at all times plus the crew is always near by mostly with a chopper and a camp.Following him at all times.You can even look at his web site and he will even tell you.
So these are two very different survivalist.One is "Crap my plane got shot down I got to get out of dodge".The other is "o man I got turned around lost my ride and now I have to walk out".I respect both men,but to totally say that one is a fraud over any other is just wrong.You may prefer the way Les does things,but that does not mean Bear is wrong in his ways.I don't have to watch a show of a man coming out half dead to understand what hes trying to show me.If the camera's not rolling I'm not sleeping in the cold just to prove my point either.


Now you see, this is where I get annoyed. Bear Grylls, DID NOT serve with the SAS. He served with 21Regiment SAS(R). This is a part-time Reservist Regiment that bears little resemblance with 22SAS Regiment.

http://www.sasspecialairservice.com/bear-grylls.html
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-reserves/
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/

While there is no doubt he served in the military as a territorial reservist. Make no mistake he was not Regular Army.

[Melissa Montana]

Yea well see Winnie here in the states we have reserves and they fight right along with our full timers and very much respected,90% of our reserves do not even have SF training.Maybe over there it is a big separation,but not here.What has Les done?Lived as a hippie for a year?A hippie now able to buy an off the grid lifestyle that the average person couldn't even afford.Its just alternate energy.And he only got that because of the show.Sure wasn't his music.ROTFLMAO

[Winnie]

I can't comment on Les Stroud, I've never seen any of his shows.
The Terriers over here have the greatest of respect, fight alongside the Regulars just as your reservists do.
What I take exception to is the inference that he served with the Regular SAS. He did not.
I am sure Dimebag 333 would agree, exagerrating your Army career for your own gain, not only ruins your own credibility, it also sullies those you served with and those you purport to have served with. It's just not done.

[Sarge47]

Yea what Dime said:tt2:.....Plus he is a lot sexier then the others.:tt1:
Ya see Crash? I told you that the girlies would like Bear's cute little Tush! However, when they kiss him they might smell urine on his breath.....!:nod:

[Sarge47]

Yea well see Winnie here in the states we have reserves and they fight right along with our full timers and very much respected,90% of our reserves do not even have SF training.Maybe over there it is a big separation,but not here.What has Les done?Lived as a hippie for a year?A hippie now able to buy an off the grid lifestyle that the average person couldn't even afford.Its just alternate energy.And he only got that because of the show.Sure wasn't his music.ROTFLMAO
I have two nephews and a brother who serve, or have served in the Reserves. I also have two brothers who served in the Army. I have a grown son who served in the United States Marines and was in Desert Storm. While it's true that they all fight together, the way they fight, their attitudes, toughness, etc, is as different as night & day. The Marines go through a lot tougher training. However, my concern with Bear is that he teaches crap that'll hurt you or get you killed. :thumbdown: Also, I LIKE Les' music! :nod: What's wrong with being a Hippie? Cody Lundin is a "Bush Hippie" & I also like his style. Everybody needs to know & learn how to survive, not just the "tough" guys. :nod:

[Winnie]

Ya see Crash? I told you that the girlies would like Bear's cute little Tush! However, when they kiss him they might smell urine on his breath.....!:nod:

Not to mention Elephant poo

[Miguelito]

Bear Grylls is a badass! BG ALL THE WAY!

[Melissa Montana]

I'm sure he brushes his teeth before he goes home!
The man is sexy!
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O i had to.ROTFLMAO!
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O nothing wrong with everyone learning survival,just not into the hippie type.
Guess i have some prejudice Bear is built like the hubs.
Yea even Cody learned that his hippie no shoe wearing was not the best thing in the cold.lol
Even Les tried his hippie medicine for over 6 months when he caught a parasite and then had to goto a real DR.

[nell67]

I'm sure he brushes his teeth before he goes home!
The man is sexy!
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O i had to.ROTFLMAO!
6565

Yea,ummm,nope!

But then he is probably the easiest man to NOT have to cook for, EVER!

[Justin Case]

Sexy ???

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[Melissa Montana]

Sexy ???

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YES!!!
And if you watch the Les one he went to the exact same place took the exact same route and ate the exact same things.
Probably the only time i seen Les eat.LMAO
Wow with all these Military guys you should know in your handy dandy books about eating insects.
I got the same books.
Even Scott O' Grady survived off of ants while shot down behind enemy lines.
Did anyone even watch the Scott O' Grady story?
Got to work for them.

[Justin Case]

Thats not an insect, Its an Alien !!!

[Melissa Montana]

ROTFLMAO!!!
Stand back Skywalker i got this:saberbattle:

[Bailey.W]

Honestly, Les Stroud is much better than Bear Grylls, considering his more fine tuned approach on survival (no disrespect to Bear Grylls). But personally, Ray Mears does a much better job than either of them. He teaches more advanced techniques and gives an in-depth look at nearly all cultures which rely on them. Where as Bear Grylls is for the average person who has little knowledge of bush-craft. Though Man Vs. Wild and Survivorman are both interesting shows, I've learned and formed my interest for bush-craft from Ray Mears. I've learned MUCH more from his documentaries.

[crashdive123]

Hey ther Bailey.W. When you can, stop on by the Introduction section so we can learn a bit about you. Thanks.

[Texas Rebel]

Bear will get you killed if you try what he does.
In a survival scenario you really don't want to be doing all that running around he does.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Bear will get you killed if you try what he does.
In a survival scenario you really don't want to be doing all that running around he does.

Mobilty is why I give him high marks. I regret that I'm gradually loosing mine with age. If you are going to be self reliant mobility is important. If you are counting on somebody else to save you then sitting there helpless is the thing to do.

[kyratshooter]

Mobilty is why I give him high marks. I regret that I'm gradually loosing mine with age. If you are going to be self reliant mobility is important. If you are counting on somebody else to save you then sitting there helpless is the thing to do.

Even though every SAR organization on the face of the earth recommends that you stay in place so they do not have to chase you?

When did following their recommendations of sitting down, building a fire and getting still so they do not have to chase you down become a character flaw?

You live long enough and you will stop worrying about your "mobility" and get smart enough to buy a personal locater beacon and you can sit down and wait for the good guys to show up.

[BENESSE]

Mobilty is why I give him high marks. I regret that I'm gradually loosing mine with age. If you are going to be self reliant mobility is important. If you are counting on somebody else to save you then sitting there helpless is the thing to do.

I couldn't agree more.!
Sitting on you a$$ because you're contemplating your options is one thing, but growing roots in one place because you're out of shape and having a cardiac is quite another. Make sure you give yourself options.

[Sarge47]

Mobilty is why I give him high marks. I regret that I'm gradually loosing mine with age. If you are going to be self reliant mobility is important. If you are counting on somebody else to save you then sitting there helpless is the thing to do.
S.T.O.P.!!! Live by it, or die without it! :sneaky2:

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Even though every SAR organization on the face of the earth recommends that you stay in place so they do not have to chase you?

When did following their recommendations of sitting down, building a fire and getting still so they do not have to chase you down become a character flaw?

You live long enough and you will stop worrying about your "mobility" and get smart enough to buy a personal locater beacon and you can sit down and wait for the good guys to show up.

Mobility is a key issue to survival. Then there is my own code that does not allow me to have others do for me what I can do for myself. So if there is a character flaw that would be it from my stand point. With the average IQ being 100 what most people think or recomend does not concern me. I know that when ever I'm in a bad situation I just go home. In the times I had no home I would just look for food or comfort where ever I found it. Finding it requres you to get off your a$$.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

S.T.O.P.!!! Live by it, or die without it! :sneaky2:

I always love it when "you're going to die" comes into the conversation. Well I havn't died yet, I just went home early. That's why BG is the best.

[crashdive123]

Some people like Bear. Some people don't. Some people like Les. Some people don't. Who cares? If you can take anything useful away from any of these type shows then that's a good thing. Living vicariously through them, not so much.

[Sarge47]

Some people like Bear. Some people don't. Some people like Les. Some people don't. Who cares? If you can take anything useful away from any of these type shows then that's a good thing. Living vicariously through them, not so much.
I agree, with Les, and now even Cody & Dave you learn what to do, with Bear you learn what NOT to do. AS, if you can just go home then you're not in a "survival" situation. :cool2:

[Alaskan Survivalist]

AS, if you can just go home then you're not in a "survival" situation. :cool2:

That's just word games. I once walked 3 days and nights in a blowing snow storm with both legs frost bitten knowing if I stopped I was dead. The Richardson Highway was shut down and there were no planes flying. The wind was blowing about 80 mph and at thirty below the Ice crystals hitting me felt like being sand blasted. I made it so I guess it was not a survival situation. You would have sat there and died and it would have been a survival situation. You win.

[Sarge47]

That's just word games. I once walked 3 days and nights in a blowing snow storm with both legs frost bitten knowing if I stopped I was dead. The Richardson Highway was shut down and there were no planes flying. The wind was blowing about 80 mph and at thirty below the Ice crystals hitting me felt like being sand blasted. I made it so I guess it was not a survival situation. You would have sat there and died and it would have been a survival situation. You win.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Atlanta Randy]

I just ran across this. Even though it's been a few years since you deemed it important to be that much of an *** I thought I'd just let you know that it is commonly thought of as a sign of maturity and intelligence to be able to debate someone with a different opinion without being insulting. But take heart, not everyone is cut out to be polite....or in your case...civil...You don't like Bear G....OK, we get it. Neither blind or stupid. Just reporting what I've worked on for the producers of his show and trying to explain how "editiing" works on TV. But hey. You got a phone call about a dead kangaroo, so that makes you an expert based on one experience and some obvious, ignorant assumptions. Please try and not hurt yourself when youfinally agree to the worlds request **********************




I've seen the Aussie episode. He never ate a kangaroo.

That's because he never got permission from us.

They edit scenes like that. They take footage with a camera on the raft then footage from the banks then footage from Bear's hand cam and edit it to be entertaining. Not staged,

Are you blind, or just stupid?
Howcome ine minute there is a camera man on the raft, and then POOF! He's gone. That's the epitimy of something being staged.
They do multiple takes and resets.

Imagine the PETA uproar if he ate a Joey on TV.

There wouldn't be an uproar. WE kill off hundreds and thousands of kangaroos and eat them a year. Kangaroos are a pest. The thing is, you need a license to kill them (unless they're on your property or you're an Aboriginal). They asked for permission to use a dead kangaroo in their show (it was a road kill) to make it look like he killed it himself. THAT IS A FACT. THAT IS THE MOST PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS SHOW BEING STAGED. We declined giving them permission, hence that he never ate a Roo in that episode.

Is it really that hard to understand. The show is staged, it's just been proven. I know, for a SOLID fact that it's set up. Think about it. We recieved a phone call from the PRODUCERS OF MAN vs WILD asking us to assist them in STAGING A SCENE FOR THE SHOW! It's so freaking blatant that you'd have to be a numpty with a hard on for Bear to not realise it.

[hunter63]

Wow, .........voices from the past........do I hear? (yoda speak)

[Rick]

Atlanta Randy - It would probably have been a sign of maturity on your part had you passed up the need to argue with a 5 year old post that you had input on at the time. You have the right to disagree with someone on a post but you don't have the right to post what you did. Probably a sign of civility that you passed on, too. That's the problem with calling the kettle black. You painted yourself the same color in the process.

[hunter63]

Why not close this thread?.....we have people arguing with people from 5 years ago.......Some never forget....
If some one ants they can start over??//Maybe?

[Rick]

I saw there was a post in it and I thought Holy Cow! Nearly 900 posts on such a bizarre subject. Over that now. Just one guy arguing to make himself feel good. I'll leave it open.

[hunter63]

OK......Kinda like watching an ant hill........

[Sarge47]

I just ran across this. Even though it's been a few years since you deemed it important to be that much of an *** I thought I'd just let you know that it is commonly thought of as a sign of maturity and intelligence to be able to debate someone with a different opinion without being insulting. But take heart, not everyone is cut out to be polite....or in your case...civil...You don't like Bear G....OK, we get it. Neither blind or stupid. Just reporting what I've worked on for the producers of his show and trying to explain how "editiing" works on TV. But hey. You got a phone call about a dead kangaroo, so that makes you an expert based on one experience and some obvious, ignorant assumptions. Please try and not hurt yourself when youfinally agree to the worlds request **********************

If you'd of clicked on S.O.E.'s profile page you'd of found this in the left hand column: "Last Activity: 10-11-2007 7:00AM. What that means is that the dude has been gone for about 4 years! Back then there were no mods and S.O.E. was quick to "flame" anybody that disagreed with him! However he did make a substantial contribution to the site; from him we got the cool word "Numpty," which is UK for idiot!" (Sigh) great times! :2:

[MiddleWolf]

I think that all the shows have something to offer. Of course things are different if you're with a camera crew. But they post disclaimers at the beginning of each episode. All of them are in a way "demos" of what can be experienced in the bush. Even the one Bear put on with the trucks and equipment doing the wind experiment to show the use of a snow cave for survival in blustery conditions. That's what they're about. And don't forget that in a couple of the episodes of Man Woman Wild she actually got sick due to the conditions and hypothermic in another. I don't believe they sat down to lunch between takes.

So take them for what they are. At least they don't try to vote each other off the island like another show I could mention. When my wife and I tuned in to the first episode of that one, we expected to see something similar to what these shows brought to TV. Needless to say, a second episode has never shown in this house.

[RockyRaccoon]

Although I like watching both Survivorman and Man vs. Wild I have come to realize that you can't compare the two.

Survivorman is just what the name implies. A man that goes and survives for a week then rendezvous with his crew. Because it is a TV show the crew stays within a certain distance as a safety net, but doesn't come to Les' aid unless (no pun intended) he is in a life threatening situation. He displays the skills and knowledge of survival and films it himself to stay true to the concept of the show and the shows name.

Man vs. Wild on the other hand NEVER says anything about "survival" it is just A MAN VERSUS THE WILD. A la this is just a show of entertainment where a guy runs around in wilderness trying to overcome whatever the wilderness has to offer in radical and entertaining ways. It is and never was meant to be a survival show. It is just a man trying to overcome whatever the wilderness has to offer.

Think of it this way. There is a mountain... Les Stroud's goal is to SURVIVE on that mountain for a week. Bear Grylls' goal is to climb to the top of it and glasade down as fast as possible.

[Wildthang]

Well I cant say that I haven't learned anything from both of those shows, and that's not all bad. Those guys are just making money being on television and probably lot's of it. Would you take that job if it was offered to you at ( I'm guessing ) $200,000 per show? I would in a heart beat!
I must say that I would rather watch those shows as a heck of a lot of other stuff on TV, like Drag Races, Bridezilla, Orange County Coppers, and an unending list of garbage telivision!

[natertot]

OK......Kinda like watching an ant hill........

Should we start pulling out a magnifying glass?! :lol:

[hunter63]

Should we start pulling out a magnifying glass?! :lol:

It's out already,.......LOL
Ant hills go about their business until someone kicks it, and then the frantic scurry.....begins....over and over again.

[Sarge47]

I'm a big Baden Powell fan! He taught me everything I need to know about survival!

[Jolls44]

Les stroud is my hero! Bear has some good knowledge but we're not all special forces. Les teaches you to stop and think about what your doing not just jump off a cliff into a freezing river.

[scarecrow3462]

if i had to be stranded in the wild and those were the choices for who else is there....les stroud all day long hands down.

[Iskander]

I don't know anything about Les Stroud as I've never watched the show but I'd take my chances that he is less of a phony as Bear. Also, it's cool you resurrected a thread that hasn't been active in exactly (almost to the hour) three years. Long live the argument thread!

[Zack]

Les stroud is my hero! Bear has some good knowledge but we're not all special forces. Les teaches you to stop and think about what your doing not just jump off a cliff into a freezing river.

I agree. I have only seen one or two of Bear Grylls' shows, but from what I have seen, I do not approve. Not that I am an expert, but from what I can gather, Les Stroud has a lot more practical survival tips and advice than Bear Grylls. I've seen quite a bit of Les Stroud's work and I think that he is a better "survivalist".

[Tokwan]

i find them as shows, eventhough they do teach you how to make shelters find water and food, but they do not actually show or tell you how laborious or how long and laborious each process are.
I have tried to make primitive emergency shelters and let me tell you..it takes too long, too many materials and very laborious. In the heat, you will drain yourself. To male a bamboo shelter will see you cutting at least 50 pieces of 20 feet bamboo poles, especially when you have to sleep of the ground.
To thatch a palm leave shelter for an adult, you will need at least 60 pieces of palm leaves.
Imagine how long the cutting will take, the transporting and the time taken to construct.
You will need a cutting tool.
As I am teaching, I always tell my students to be ready. A hammock, tarp and a fire making kit is essential and one shuld be ready with them at all times when you go hiking, even for a day hike.

[richbat]

Voted for Les Stroud but would have absolutely no problem in a situation with Cody Lundin[sp?] Now that there would be a great show having those 2 work together.

[Grizz123]

If I was trying to fight off or evade an enemy force of some sort, I'd rather have Bear by my side. All other survival situations I'd rather be sitting next to Les

[hunter63]

.....and a way we goooooooo......

[Rick]

Not gonna do it. No sir. Not me.

[hunter63]

Well seems the Les is in the lead a 260 to 46 in the poll......and a lot of voters haven't been around for a long time.....?
The votes still count?

Just realized I hadn't voted....guess I was waiting for Ruth's name to show up.

One more for Les.....

[kyratshooter]

Sorry Hunter, I would have to choose Karen Hood over Ruth Hawk.

Chrome don't get you home.

http://www.survival.com/

[hunter63]

Well we can double date.....LOL.
Did you just now vote as well.....?

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