The line has been DRAWN.....I truly am sorry if you don't like it.

[Sourdough]

We will look back and see that the line was drawn in history in mid 2008.(sometime between March 15'th and September 15'th 2008).

Just as we point to Oct. 29, 1929 or December 7, 1941 or 9-11-2001.

This is the Beginning of the world as we will know it.

Are you ready to RUUUUUMBLE........:confused:

[RobertRogers]

drawn where?

[trax]

Was it a line in the sand? because Bush Sr drew one of those years ago, so did Travis at the Alamo, actually. What kind of line exactly? I drew a line in water once, but no one believed me cuz they couldn't see it. Straight line? Curvy line? haves on this side, have nots on that side?

I'm confused.

[Sourdough]

drawn where?


In the momory of men.

[Sourdough]

Was it a line in the sand? because Bush Sr drew one of those years ago, so did Travis at the Alamo, actually. What kind of line exactly? I drew a line in water once, but no one believed me cuz they couldn't see it. Straight line? Curvy line? haves on this side, have nots on that side?

I'm confused.

Sorry TRAX, it is one of those NEED to KNOW THINGIES.
If you don't know be happy.

[trax]

Sorry TRAX, it is one of those NEED to KNOW THINGIES.
If you don't know be happy.

***kicks computer and walks away with a crayon to draw his own line***:(

[Sourdough]

***kicks computer and walks away with a crayon to draw his own line***:(

Draw a big HAPPY FACE.....I like happy faces.:):):):):):):):):)

[Ole WV Coot]

"Ignorance is bliss" or so somebody said. Guess I am the happiest person in these hills.

[BraggSurvivor]

Lots of cash under the Mattress......................;)

... just make sure some of that "cash" is the hard, shiny, kind ...

[RangerXanatos]

My cd of Johnny Cash?

[tacmedic]

I do have some of the hard shiny stuff but, I would rather use the money that would by the shiny stuff to buy actual things I can use that will have value to others and to trade for things that I might need.

[BraggSurvivor]

We will look back and see that the line was drawn in history in mid 2008.(sometime between March 15'th and September 15'th 2008).

Just as we point to Oct. 29, 1929 or December 7, 1941 or 9-11-2001.

This is the Beginning of the world as we will know it.

Are you ready to RUUUUUMBLE........:confused:



This universe is built on Truth. The Creator ordered it so. There is never something for nothing. All accounts must be balanced, in life & in finance. We are witnessing the end of the charade. Let it rip. I like Truth. In the end it's all we have. You can't subvert the Truth forever. The Creator made sure of it. It's that simple.

A few years ago a friend asked me why I didn't trust our financial system. He wanted it in the simplest terms possible. I said that the problem was/is that no one had/has any money. Just promises of such, traded back & forth, and increasingly leveraged. Drive back down, and down, and down, and we have maybe 5 or 10 cents on the dollar. Fed as example. House of cards built on lies.

The Truth always wins, though it often takes time. Time is the lubricant that lets the Truth move to the fore and be recognized.

[Nichov]

Isn't it interesting that those who know don't have to mention what we are actually talking about in order to talk about it? Of course Bragg is gung-ho to actually call it what it is.

I really get a kick out of watching the news. I'm definately happy to see the truth come out. But be prepared because before the real truth comes out one great final lie will come out and sweep the world. And it will be bigger and badder than the Fed Res ever was.

My mother insists that I read a book by the Secretary of the Treasury who served under Clinton. She seems to think it will clear up my mind about the dollar and globalization. I find that it entirely skips the question of the Federal Reserve and the gold standard or any other fundamental economic theory topics. Instead it focuses on the minutia of operating withing the system that exists without questioning whether we need that system. The first chapter is about the government bail-out of the Mexican Peso back in the 90's. This guy really thinks that what he's doing is a good thing. He basically wrote a book about how difficult it is to properly manage the financial system of the modern era, and glorifies himself and his colleagues for being able to keep the system working dispite the fact that they faced constant threats of catastrophic collapse at every turn! Ironic huh?

I like Greenspan's take on it though: "It's the least worst choice." Greenspan is an interesting character because he does not agree with the fundamental principles of the system he RAN for so many years. But although he didn't agree with the fundamentals of the system, he did know how to tweak with the minutia of that system and make things click along (and covertly inflate) at an amazing rate. Sometimes I wonder is he built the bubble intentionally just to show people that the financial system was fundamentally flawed. Am I crazy to think that?

[BraggSurvivor]

It is no coincidence that the word "Truth" is starting to connect like dots...open your ears , you will "see"......

They only have power because you give it to them.....

In time we will all know.....

[trax]

OK, kids, now I'm really getting scared.....Bragg is starting to make sense to me. Oh well, back to the crayons, no happy faces for you Mr. Hopeak Doomsayer!

[vanguard1]

I agree. It has indeed been drawn.

What's the saying...can't see the forest for the trees? That's where we are as a whole.

[Sourdough]

We are saved, we are saved, The markets can only go up. Woooopie, Wooooopie. Pakistan passed a law that stocks can only go up, it is illegal for stocks to go down. Shorting is against the SEC rules now, we are saved. The Treasury will buy all the bad derivatives, and bad bank loans, and sell them to the great nation of TRAXASTAN for face value. The U.S. Treasury will sell worthless paper bonds to Traxastan.

Traxastan inhabitants well work 12 to 14 hours per day at 12 cents per hour making Dingleberries, and Cars, Trucks, Clothing, and ship it to America.

The Country of Traxastan, will even make the "Special" paper, and "Special" ink for America to print the U.S. Treasury Notes and Bonds.

The DOW should open UP 500 points today, we are saved, thank you Traxastan. NOW get to WORK making Dingleberries.......:):):)

NOTE: To director of CIA, if the King of Traxastan gives America any static at all, destablize Traxastan, and look for a leader we can work with.:o

[bulrush]

The DOW should open UP 500 points today, we are saved, thank you Traxastan. NOW get to WORK making Dingleberries.......:):):)


Oddly enough, the Dow was up 410 points yesterday.

[tacmedic]

The chairman of the treasury thinks that it should only cost American taxpayers about half a trillion dollars to do all the bailing out that needs done. My question is, what happens a month from now when a whole other mess of banks needs bailing out? Do we have traxistan print more worthless, fake money for us?

By the way, exactly how much is half a trillion? That would be $500,000,000,000.00. That is a number that is pretty much unfathomable to me. If there are about 300 million people in the US, then each persons' share of the bailout is about $1,667.00. I bet they won't take plastic either.

[Sourdough]

The chairman of the treasury thinks that it should only cost American taxpayers about half a trillion dollars to do all the bailing out that needs done. My question is, what happens a month from now when a whole other mess of banks needs bailing out? Do we have traxistan print more worthless, fake money for us?

By the way, exactly how much is half a trillion? That would be $500,000,000,000.00. That is a number that is pretty much unfathomable to me. If there are about 300 million people in the US, then each persons' share of the bailout is about $1,667.00. I bet they won't take plastic either.



Here is the better question: Do you really think that the Banks and Insurance Co. will not turn around and do it again on a larger scale, knowing that they get to book the winnings, and the Government will save them again.:eek:

[HaroldB]

And the Sheeple are running out of sand to hide their heads under.

[Sourdough]

The SPIN is 1/2 trillion dollars will buy some time, and create up one more set of Smoke and Mirrors to confuse the illusion. The Best cost estimates is 1.2 trillion to 1.6 trillion and that is just America.

The good news it is just fake money anyway. Keeping the illusion going ten more years........PRICELESS.

[vanguard1]

Until the root problem of greed is addressed, any system will eventually fail. And until mankind is pushed to it's knees, the problem won't get addressed.

[Nichov]

Perhaps, you might be right. Afterall, a system is simply a flawed construction of man. However, that does not excuse operating under a system with known fatal flaws. It's kinda like jumping off a cliff and saying "Bound to die eventually anyhow!"

You are right about greed, but it must not be used as an argument to maintain the cancerous status quo.

[chiye tanka]

Until the root problem of greed is addressed, any system will eventually fail. And until mankind is pushed to it's knees, the problem won't get addressed.

I agree completely. When the first Europeans came here, the natives had no idea of ownership or greed. They soon however were infected with the sickness of greed. We all know the rest of that story.

[chiye tanka]

Do tell...

[tsitenha]

Remy, don't beg, just differ :)
but individual ownership was not a norm and stewardship of the land was a known concept.

fonce mon ami fonce :)

[chiye tanka]

With my people, the Lakota, our names were changed four times in our lives. Crazy Horse's name was Curly as a young boy (his hair was said to be very wavie as a child). The PNW people had their pot latch every year around what we call Christmas. They would give away everything in there posession (can't always spell). The frame of mind was that we were holding onto something until someone needed it. The natives of New York did not sell Manhaton, the thought they were recieving gifts in order to share the land.
So you see, as I said, we really didn't have the concept.

[tsitenha]

Remy, we had a different concept of ownership, a person never kept an item his whole life, it passed on to another for different reasons known only to him.
As far as stealing horses, to get a bride price to buy your intended, to acquire other items etc.. but they (horses) did not stay with you, in a constant transition of being passed around, besides I hear it was great fun to steal a horse or anything else from another tribe (it taught us stealth, patience, courage).
Even in making war, counting coup was very respected. The "kill" was of a different matter.
The sharing concept was the norm even today we (traditionalist) never eat a meal completely on our own, we share our meal and we share in another's meal at the same setting. I have seen young children have an ice cream cone pass it around and never having more than a lick, then have a bite of something else another person brought to the group.
Someone admires an item of yours, often you gave it up because it was its time to move on.
I have done this all of my life, items seldom stay long among my circle of "aboriginal" friends sometimes I may never see that item again as it travels a long way.
My people didn't use horses, we were woodland natives but a canoe now that was worth stealing :)

[vanguard1]

I do not think greed is a process, it is an impersonal truth. Are all men consumed of greed? For one man the extreme level of greed may simply be eating more than his share of food, for another it may be shooting someone in the head and walking away with whatever items that person used to own...and for another it may be sending the militia into another country under false pretenses in the name of whatever the flavour of the day is. It also could be hiding that last muffin for yourself later on.

None of us are immune, but the worst offenders are the people that make life long careers out of getting themselves in positions of perceived 'power', be that business or politics. It corrupts. It exists at every level. It sometimes is very transparent and hard to see. It's an impersonal truth and we will all face those truths one day.

[Sourdough]

Remy, Do you know of a man, I think his name is. Fernando Flores....He did some work with Warner Erhard, on speaking into intention. He was a linguists from Chile.

[Sourdough]

Just wondered, I don't know if he is still about. Was something in your language that triggered the memory of him.

[chiye tanka]

Remy, your Lakota's not bad, but like me I can't always remember how to spell some of our words. I think what you were trying to say at the end was thank you. It's two words, something like, Pilami Alo. Again my spelling is most likely off, but you do honor the people by trying. My brother is fluent in it and I'll check with him if you're interested.
You make a valid point none the less, however we will just have to agree to disagree. This is what I have been told since I was young and though I try to be open minded about most things, I don't see how my people would be wrong about traditions or how someone from another country would be wright. No disrespect meant.

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