The wilderness can change a man............

[Sourdough]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

How inspired,In the wilderness I become myself,in society I become what they expect me to be.

[Gray Wolf]

Hopeak, are you sure you didn't eat some of those crazy mushrooms while out there, or some of klkak's meds. :D

[Sourdough]

I am sure that I did not consume either. I am sure I would not knowingly consume either.

I wonder if one might learn more in 40 days and 40 nights, alone in the wilderness; than one might learn in 4 years at a modern university.

The one thing I am sure of is one will not "GET IT" via Google at Starbuck coffee bar.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I am sure that I did not consume either. I am sure I would not knowingly consume either.

I wonder if one might learn more in 40 days and 40 nights, alone in the wilderness; than one might learn in 4 years at a modern university.

The one thing I am sure of is one will not "GET IT" via Google at Starbuck coffee bar.

Need is the Father of invention,casual exploration is sellective.

[klkak]

There is hope not just in your name or where you live but in your words. Thank you.

[Gray Wolf]

I don't get why someone would drink Starbucks coffee. A friend brought me a cup, just black, no sugar, and it was the most bitter tasting coffee I've ever had.

[Sourdough]

I am addicted to grocery store vanilla favored creamers, which cost me about $24.00 per month for 6 quarts @ $3.99 each. My friend in Portland, Or. has a mocha something everyday from Starbucks, at $4.65 each. That is like $1,700.00 per year, for his daily fix.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I know, thats my favirite too, coffee is escencial to kick start my motovations......

[Gray Wolf]

Who said it was their favorite?

N-o-b-o-d-y.

[crashdive123]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

Nicely said. Being alone at sea in a sailboat for an extended time can have the same effect.

Oh, and on the coffee.....black & bitter and lots of it.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Who said it was their favorite?

N-o-b-o-d-y.

sorry should have never mentiond me before you got there.what does everybody else prefer to coffee?

[Gray Wolf]

We were saying how bitter tasting and expensive Starbucks coffee was. Calm down, and take a deep breath (unless your in LA). Hopeak posted something to think about.

[vanguard1]

We grew from the earth, yet we insulate ourselves from the earth and dull our senses with distractions and deceptions and tread upon the mother with contempt and disdain.

Good stuff Hopeak, I enjoy reading your posts. They do make me think, just as Gray Wolf stated above.

Peace.

[Rick]

Your words are nice, Hopeak, but I don't think it has anything to do with where you are. It has to do with WHO you are. My uncle was a POW and he professed some of those same feelings even though he was a prisoner during war.

It has to do with growing older, too, I think. We begin to shed the shield of invincibility of our youth and begin to acquire some wisdom that comes with experience and age. We also begin to really understand that it isn't about ourselves but something a lot bigger.

Still, they are good words.

[Pict]

I don't remember if it was in the book "Alive" or in an interview with one of the survivors of the Andes plane crash but one of them said that the time they spent stranded in the Andes was a spiritual experience for him. He said that the isolation, surrounded by untouched wilderness gave him and awareness of a presence far greater than himself.

I'm not going to go all theological in the general forum, but as a Pastor I definitely do have an opinion on why this is the case. In a nutshell I believe that when we are surrounded by other men and the works they create we place ourselves in relation to them, but when we surround ourselves with the creation and the works of the Creator we place ourselves in relation to Him. The experience is universally humbling and uplifting at the same time, an odd mix of emotions to be sure. Just being in the wilderness hits the reset button on my spirit. Mac

[Fletcher]

HopeAk,
Wow! Man you are deep. That was a great post.
Thank you, for the words from your hart.

[Gray Wolf]

Man is forever changing, for that matter, the world is forever changing. Between technology, medicines, weather, disasters, wars, pollution, nothing can go back as it once was. Dominoes, one action affects another, then another....

I also agree with what Rick said "I don't think it has anything to do with where you are. It has to do with WHO you are.
It has to do with growing older, too, I think. We begin to shed the shield of invincibility of our youth and begin to acquire some wisdom that comes with experience and age."

[wareagle69]

"nothing is constant but change"

unknown

[wildWoman]

Well said, hopeak...
And it makes me wonder what effect is has had on humanity that most people don't have the opportunity and/or interest any more to really be out in the bush. I think it must impair us somehow, like wild animals being kept in a zoo. We're just not made to live in the millions in concrete jungles.

[ArmySurvivalist]

Pict, I agree fully. I think thats a excellent observation. I will remember that and pass that on to some of my friends.

[Sourdough]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

AMY, read this

[amy headrick]

You are right about there not being any drugs like this experience. I would give anything to be able to experience my after wilderness high again. It was wonderful. It is also the reason I miss the woods sometimes. . .

[wareagle69]

you know pops the one thing i like about this site is reading old posts from a year a two ago, i remember you posted this after my return last year from my self imposed exisle in the bush, and yes 30 days does change a man, then i lost it, wish as amy says i could get that feeling back again, the anger is back i need more bush time work annoys me, humans annoy me i need another quest

[Lorna]

Very profound Hopeak. It puts things in prospective.

[oly]

Thanks Hopeak, Its been so long since I sent any time totally alone in the wilderness that I forgot about what your saying.

[red lake]

Neat post,

First time I spent time in the wilderness alone it had a profound effect.

You can read about it here....

http://www.myccr.com/SectionForums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=22987

[Alpine_Sapper]

How inspired,In the wilderness I become myself,in society I become what they expect me to be.

Really? Not me. I give a damn what society expects me to be. I am me, no matter what. If society doesn't like it, so ****ing what? Get over it.

[Rick]

Well, I have to tell you that hurt my feelings. I really thought you cared what we think but now I find out you really don't. And after we've given you the best weeks of our forum experience! I think you have some explaining to do, mister!

[Alpine_Sapper]

Well, I have to tell you that hurt my feelings. I really thought you cared what we think but now I find out you really don't. And after we've given you the best weeks of our forum experience!

You mean you don't like me the way I am? :crying::crying::crying::crying:


I think you have some explaining to do, mister!

Hold on, let me pull out my bag of excuses;

1: I'm a product of my environment
2: I was an oppressed citizen based on gender, nationality, race, religion....
3: The video games made me do it...
4: It's all my father's fault
5: I just needed a hug...
6: I just wanted to see what it would look like if I pulled the trigger...
7: I didn't know it would *DIE*... (wtf did you expect when you shot it...)
8: He really is a good dog...

If none of the above are applicable please let me know, and I will continue. :smash::banana:

[mountain mama]

*giving AS a BIG hug*

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Really? Not me. I give a damn what society expects me to be. I am me, no matter what. If society doesn't like it, so ****ing what? Get over it.
thanks, thats inspiring. my views can sometimes rub the wrong spot with most people, not rude or aragant but identical opposite. (two positive poles of a magnet.)i am often left wondering how to live with notions that i dont agree with.when i speak about them theres a problem with some one who has the "acceptable" manner of thinking.

[KhonHd]

Your words are nice, Hopeak, but I don't think it has anything to do with where you are. It has to do with WHO you are. My uncle was a POW and he professed some of those same feelings even though he was a prisoner during war.

It has to do with growing older, too, I think. We begin to shed the shield of invincibility of our youth and begin to acquire some wisdom that comes with experience and age. We also begin to really understand that it isn't about ourselves but something a lot bigger.

Still, they are good words.

I agree and disagree... There is a lot to be said for who a person is. But we are, for the most part, a sum of our experiences. Choices good or bad; actions good or bad have had an influence on defining us. Yes there are genetics involved as well, but what I am thinking of is environmental influences. So WHO we are is not as cut and dry and some think. Who I am has being getting defined for 43 years, and I am still changing (for the better I hope). Part of who I am is attributed to where I have had the good fortune to be born and raised. Knowing love and security.

In the bush mental clarity comes much easier. There is no noise (I don’t consider the wind, frogs and birds to be noise, but rather music). There are no demands of work, bills, threats (crime). You energy level will be charged, not drained. Even after hiking all day, while I may be tired, MY energy is lifted. It can be, if you let it, a meditation. A moment, be it an hour or 30 days, that adds to your life experiences.

These experiences will help define who you are, the next positive choice will be much easier. The majority of my up lifting experiences come when I am with nature. Thus location is critical.

One last comment: We all have different brain chemistries, neuropathways are wired differently, these also plays a hugh roll in who we are. But we can rewire our neuropathways. Apparently it takes 21 days… Start by spending some time with nature.

Wait, this is the same thing I just said in the first three paragraphs, since our neuropathways are wired the way they are from our previous experiences.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I agree and disagree... There is a lot to be said for who a person is. But we are, for the most part, a sum of our experiences. Choices good or bad; actions good or bad have had an influence on defining us. Yes there are genetics involved as well, but what I am thinking of is environmental influences. So WHO we are is not as cut and dry and some think. Who I am has being getting defined for 43 years, and I am still changing (for the better I hope). Part of who I am is attributed to where I have had the good fortune to be born and raised. Knowing love and security.

In the bush mental clarity comes much easier. There is no noise (I don’t consider the wind, frogs and birds to be noise, but rather music). There are no demands of work, bills, threats (crime). You energy level will be charged, not drained. Even after hiking all day, while I may be tired, MY energy is lifted. It can be, if you let it, a meditation. A moment, be it an hour or 30 days, that adds to your life experiences.

These experiences will help define who you are, the next positive choice will be much easier. The majority of my up lifting experiences come when I am with nature. Thus location is critical.

One last comment: We all have different brain chemistries, neuropathways are wired differently, these also plays a hugh roll in who we are. But we can rewire our neuropathways. Apparently it takes 21 days… Start by spending some time with nature.

Wait, this is the same thing I just said in the first three paragraphs, since our neuropathways are wired the way they are from our previous experiences.

While I agree with what you said, I disagree that it needs to be done in nature. I can take a few moments to meditate and center myself no matter where I am, and the chances of the average horn blowing finger waving stressed out citizen living a little longer are doubled. I can get just as stressed out in the woods if I'm with said citizen or someone who acts like them.

So I think what Rick meant about WHO we are is applicable in that if you are the type to meditate and calm yourself and be at peace with yourself and harmony with the universe
it doesn't really matter where you are.

[KhonHd]

While I agree with what you said, I disagree that it needs to be done in nature. I can take a few moments to meditate and center myself no matter where I am, and the chances of the average horn blowing finger waving stressed out citizen living a little longer are doubled. I can get just as stressed out in the woods if I'm with said citizen or someone who acts like them.

So I think what Rick meant about WHO we are is applicable in that if you are the type to meditate and calm yourself and be at peace with yourself and harmony with the universe
it doesn't really matter where you are.

Good points and I do agree. While I do try to ground myself when at work or in traffic I just find it easier when in nature (by myself). Maybe that's the key "by myself". This thread has me thinking... A 30 day retreat to a cabin sure would be nice.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Good points and I do agree. While I do try to ground myself when at work or in traffic I just find it easier when in nature (by myself). Maybe that's the key "by myself". This thread has me thinking... A 30 day retreat to a cabin sure would be nice.

Yes sir. I don't even have to have the cabin. A full 30 days away from the ratrace by myself would be fine. I would be fine with a .22, some fishing gear, and a small bob. I can make the shelter.

[amy headrick]

Good points and I do agree. While I do try to ground myself when at work or in traffic I just find it easier when in nature (by myself). Maybe that's the key "by myself". This thread has me thinking... A 30 day retreat to a cabin sure would be nice.

See and that is why after i was lost, people thought it would be traumatic, but it wasn't. While not planned, I had no phones to answer, no voicemails to return, no e-mail to check, no motions to write, no partners to answer to. . .it was a total break from the so called ratrace. And when you are alone in nature, you have time to think, reflect, even relax -- even under the worst conditions.

[Rick]

You can ground yourself in a lot of situations. Stay calm and think your way through it. Just ground yourself when working with electricity.

[Rick]

Instead of regrets, I ordered a plate of "do it right the first time" with a side order of "then there won't be any regrets". I got the kiddie meal version of compulsions and that was plenty for me. That's enough to keep me busy. I returned the melancholy and exchanged it for a super sized happy thoughts with rainbows and puppy dogs. Yum Yum.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Instead of regrets, I ordered a plate of "do it right the first time" with a side order of "then there won't be any regrets". I got the kiddie meal version of compulsions and that was plenty for me. That's enough to keep me busy. I returned the melancholy and exchanged it for a super sized happy thoughts with rainbows and puppy dogs. Yum Yum.

Sooo...how's that Prozac working for you? :tongue_smilie:

[mountain mama]

I had no idea you guys were so philosophical

[Rick]

It was your word. I assume you know what it meant. Hmmmm?

[wareagle69]

Really? Not me. I give a damn what society expects me to be. I am me, no matter what. If society doesn't like it, so ****ing what? Get over it.

personally i think your full of it, you talk a good one but i don't buy it for one second

[Alpine_Sapper]

personally i think your full of it, you talk a good one but i don't buy it for one second

You can think what you want. See post #28. :)

[crashdive123]

Maybe I'm psychic, but I think a reference to post #28 is coming up.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I agree with WE.

"i am me"...does not mean much without us, without society, to compare this "me" you proclaim.

sure it does. I am not dependant on your society for my identity.
With or without you, I'll still be the same old me. Without society, I'm still the same as I was with it.

Peacechicken, or polerider, or whatever he wants to call himself just needed to make himself feel better in my opinion. Apparently he's been infected with the other epidemic running rampant...People shooting off at the mouth about things they have no idea what they are talking about.

[crashdive123]

No...watch...

I stand corrected. Guess a career at the carnival is out.

[Alpine_Sapper]

you guys are hilarious. :phone:

[Alpine_Sapper]

We rehearse a lot.

Seriously...AS...I am not saying you are dependent on, i know most of you really like your loner status and unique traits...i am simply saying that you exist in relations to.

I am...and i exist, are not the same thing.
Your identity is in direct rapport to existing...existing is in relation to what we have come to call society.

If you want to talk about your temperament, or your nature, then we can argue this relation with an outside object to give you form and life. But as long as you stay in the psychological realm...not so much.

Without my eyes, a tree is.
But the tree exists through my eyes.
It is undeniable that you are, without me or my society.
But for you to exist...for you to be "independent"...you need to position yourself against something. For you to not give a damn, a damn needs to be opposing your vision.

Your body, even without your will...positions itself all along what you call your history in relation to me, to your dogs, to your wife, to your environment...and so on. All those forces are influences.



Dude, I don't know if you missed it or not, but I posted a while back that I quit smoking pot. I think I need to go buy a sack and smoke a fat spliff to fully comprehend the complexity of what you said. :)

I kid.

But seriously....

I see what you are saying. I agree with some, disagree with some.

My original point was that I am who I am, and if you don't like it, you can get bent. If you don't believe me, you can get bent. If my attitude rubs you the wrong way, you can get bent. Starting to see a pattern? So what if society is part of the influence that made me who I am? If I'm walking down the street and I catch static from someone because I have one of my dogs on a lead, or I'm wearing a NRA t-shirt, or I'm a "fringe extremist" because I post here, am I supposed to care? Am I wrong for not giving a **** that someone else disagrees with my viewpoints? If ANY of you can genuinely tell me "Yes, you are wrong for not trying to fit in with society" I'll call you a liar and a coward for not being yourself.


Shall we go on ?

Nah. For a couple of reasons. One, I don't really feel the need to be psychoanalyzed by someone else, even on a conceptual level. For two, I don't see this going anywhere positive. For three, we are now so far off topic even the ban hampster can't save us. And four, I got off work 12 minutes ago, and now that I'm not chained to my desk, I have other interests than the forum that I would much prefer to pursue.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I understand...
Basically...it's my turn to get bent !
lolll

Yeah, I guess so. :tongue_smilie: Didn't really mean it to come across that way. But, hey, what the hell, right?

[Rick]

Wake me up just before the meteor hits will ya? I want to exist just before I don't so I can be before I ain't any more. (rolls over and goes back to sleep.)

[wareagle69]

sure it does. I am not dependant on your society for my identity.
With or without you, I'll still be the same old me. Without society, I'm still the same as I was with it.

Peacechicken, or polerider, or whatever he wants to call himself just needed to make himself feel better in my opinion. Apparently he's been infected with the other epidemic running rampant...People shooting off at the mouth about things they have no idea what they are talking about.

i still think you are a blow hard and a liar, and if you care to prove me wrong i have a phone number for you to call.:sneaky2:

[Rick]

http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q348/safe_zone/behave.gif

[Alpine_Sapper]

i still think you are a blow hard and a liar, and if you care to prove me wrong i have a phone number for you to call.:sneaky2:

you can post your number. *shrug* I don't have a damn thing to prove to you or any other retard half a mile away. The only reason your cojone's are swinging today is because you know I'm in Texas and your in wherever. So don't try to come off all hard like your some badass. It's like this, if you show up on my doorstep we can find out who the bigger man is, k pumpkin? Till then, how about we find a comfortable spot on each other's ignore list? I know you just made mine.

[mountain mama]

*sending the boys to separate corners*

[mountain mama]

Are you counting yourself among my offspring?

[mountain mama]

That's a fun game...



Why would i.

Because I am an awesome mama...just ask my son.

[mountain mama]

or you could trust the judgment of everyone who knows me (with the exception of my 16-yr-old daughter, because I won't let her get her driver's license until she gets her grades up)

[wareagle69]

*sending the boys to separate corners*

i would love to go to my corner.:smash:

[mountain mama]

for what it's worth, my students love me....I taught inner-city, so I am of a different breed lol

[Alpine_Sapper]

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.


I disagree with that statement totally. Having had the pleasure of speaking with kids of all walks of life, there is a large difference between suburban kids and inner city kids. At that age, the things you see/experience have a profound effect on you. Not saying that it's black and white, of course, but as a general stereotype, there is a major difference. Suburban kids typically see the value an education provides in the ability to get a high paying job and provide for your family. Inner city kids have what example? That you don't need an education, that you can make more money than the lames by posting a wall or trapping? That it's ok to blaze on the competition cause it's about putting food on the table and feeding the crew? At that age it's rare that kids have the wisdom gained from life experience to see it differently, and when there is no one to teach them differently the problem is only perpetuated.

[Alpine_Sapper]

...Where you see differences, i see similitude.

All the things you just mentioned, are trumped by the promise i speak of. But most do not want to see pass concepts of inner and outer. It is normal i guess...since we are educated to do so.

Statements like i am an inner-city kid, or i am an inner-city teacher...do not mean much.
There is more drugs in outer-city schools...more suicides too.
The state of Montana has the highest % of teenagers doing meth for example.

We are in the business of taming...you should know, you refused it yourself...didn't you ?
We tame...and we tame some more...and those that wander are fetched by people that were trained to do so. Those people are called psychologists.

We are more than ever educating Spartan style.
Transmission is at an all time low, education at an all time high...and kids, no matter where they are born, are left to the wolves. They receive a false description of the world. False promises too.

Kids are kids...before being "inner", or "outer". Before all that stuff you talk about.

Ok, I can see your point. At heart a kid is a kid until they start getting life experience.


You say that as if you were an inner-city kid...lolll

I was not an inner city "kid". I spent the early years of my life on a farm. I was moved to the inner city against my wishes later. Because the only male role models at that time were also "family", I was one of the ones posting a wall once upon a time. .357 mag causing my dickie's to hang low, rag on my head, pocket full of product, the whole nine. I learned my lesson. Saw to many friends stop breathing. I wised up. I rejected that life. I rejected the "taming" as well. I decided to blaze my own path. But all after years of walking that road.

Some people get jealous of that. They see me not constrained by the normal societal drive or desires and think whatever they think that causes them to push static my way. All that shows is they are to insecure in themselves, so they focus on other people to avoid looking at their own failures in life, because they cannot or will not see their triumphs.

[Rick]

I had to sit in the cloak room.....a lot....by myself.....Oh, and that d**n pointed hat thing in the front of the room. That was the pits. At least in the cloak room you could through everyone's lunch boxes. You couldn't do nothin' in the front of the room.

[mountain mama]

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.
On the surface, they might appear different, but they are all moved by the same principals, by the same promise.

To me, an education is one action too many...i prefer the notion of transmission to the notion of education. Education makes me think of a certain formatting, but transmission, for someone like me that enjoys ethology, implies the description of a world as we can understand it to our children or any other person.

There is no "good" education, for all educations are like the traces we leave behind...what we wish deep down, is that those that follow us do not take their eyes off of those traces...in turn perpetuating the general dysfunction...lol

It is urgent to understand, perhaps to comprehend, that the closest synonym of the term "to tame", is "to denature".
You have no idea how ignorant this statement is...
I have taught in rural schools, as well. I can assure you there is a vast difference in the children encountered in each place. Children are children, yes, but their environment dictates more than you care to acknowledge.
Moreover, there is a vast difference in the teachers who choose to teach in such environments.

Have you ever taught school at all? If not, please consider this: you making a judgment based solely on opinion would be like a newbie here thinking they know everything about wilderness survival without ever taking a camping trip.

[Rick]

You're on your own, Remy. I'm backin' outta here. slowly.

[mountain mama]

sounds like a load to me....i was a virgin once upon a time too

[oly]

The wilderness and kids can change a man and women :alien:

[Rick]

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

[crashdive123]

The wilderness may change you, but it won't make you a virgin again no matter how much time you spend in it.

[oly]

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

Makes me fat and lazy, I might out grow it soon.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I like to go into the deep woods, where few people go.the things that i discover there,and manage to put into use. makes it hard for me to leave those things behind when i leave.

[Smok]

Sounds to me like you are all talking about this: What is the sound of one hand clapping

[Born2Late]

Depends on where it land........oh sorry that is slapping.

[Alpine_Sapper]

What is the sound of one hand clapping

whoosh...whoosh...whoosh

[Smok]

I have heard those , but there are still funny

[Sourdough]

Bump thread for BENESSE.

[BENESSE]

Bump thread for BENESSE.

I understand completely Sourdough, from your post #1 in this thread.
I have felt that on occasion and always in serene places where it's just you and the vastness and sheer perfection of nature.
But I don't have the courage you've summoned up to move and permanently stay in a place that makes me feel that way.

What was the final straw for you?

[Sourdough]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.


HELP........How do cut out only this original post from the Chit storm that this thread turned into. I tried highlighting just this post, but it would not cut.

[Justin Case]

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )

[Sourdough]

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )



Thanks, I did it..........woopie. (Rep thingie sent) Thanks again.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

There is one thing consistent about people who live off by themselves. They have no one to bounce ideas off and whatever they think is reinforced talking to themselves and only themselves. After time they will not put any weight in anybody elses thoughts but thier own. People can get very strange indeed and how strange really depends on how strange they were to begin with and how long they have been talking to themselves. Fact vs Flowery illusions. How firmly anchored in reality are you?

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