More people interested in primitive skills?

[bulrush]

Do you notice more people getting interested in primitive skills or self-sufficiency? Or are the same people simply getting together more easily on internet sites because of increased communication.

Is there a trend to this?
What's behind the trend?
Higher cost of living and lower wages?

If a major change is coming will it be sudden, or gradual?

Do you think that the social changes occuring (lower wages, higher prices, increased conflict around the world) are due to population pressures? (I.e. too many people and too little resources).

[tacmedic]

I have noticed this year that my local farmers market is much more crowded than it used to be. It used to be that I could get there anytime and get whatever produce etc that I wanted, but now if I am not there when they open it is pretty picked over very quickly. I have also noticed an increase in people buying whole beeves or pigs to have butchered. I think the trend is being driven by an increase in the cost of everything at the grocery store, in addition to the cost of fuel. Although you have to be careful with what you buy. There are several people that sell baked goods at the farmers market and it seems like they charge way way more than it would cost to either make it yourself or even buy it at the store. $3-$4 for a loaf of home baked bread? Just seems a little steep to me when I think about the $.50 worth of flour that it takes to bake my own loaf.

[trax]

..in the number of people interested in "self-sufficient" living took place at a time when:

1. America had been involved in a military conflict that a lot of America disapproved of, and were still cleaning up the mess.

2. Inflation took off like a rocket ship following hyper-inflated prices in the oil industry

That was in the early '70's. A lot of people thought it was just hippies with nothing left to do so they all wanted to get back to Mother Nature etc etc, but I think it's a bit more than that. A lot of people look at where society is heading and basically want no part of it, so they investigate options. Getting back to the land is an option

Sounds familiar? (Hey, I could be wrong, he!! when's the last time I drew a sober breath?)

Now, if only those of us who want to escape can do so before Bragg's NWO--ers turn us into soylent green.

[RobertRogers]

Try making bread by hand, not mass produced by the thousands of loaves in a factory. In order to make more than $1 an hour you have to charge higher prices. However homemade bread - and products of the soil - often does not have the preservatives and pesticides foods bought from big box stores have.

I don't know about you, but I am willing to eat an occassional corn worm, for example, rather than a daily dose of pesticide.

[Jericho117]

In my opinion, people are recoiling into primitive life so suddenly because of todays society. Not many people have enough food or money to get by. Todays world is falling apart. Just an example, one of my friends Eric was poor and his mom didn't feed him so he always went with me hunting or foraging for plants to get food. Pretty sad. But that goes to show you he wouldn't mind the "Hunter gather" primitive mode just like most people wouldn't just to keep going. I don't know it's confusing.

[crashdive123]

Jericho, when you say:

Not many people have enough food or money to get by.

What are you basing that on, other than your friend Eric?

[trax]

Hey, he said it's confusing, leave him alone!:D

[crashdive123]

Just trying to understand the perspective of our younger members.

[Jericho117]

Im basing that on thousands upon thousands of others who are starving, im guessing you have never been to NY?. Some have the sense to apply primitive skills instead of relying on other people or countries for food. My friend eric is just an example.

[crashdive123]

Im basing that on thousands upon thousands of others who are starving, im guessing you have never been to NY?. Some have the sense to apply primitive skills instead of relying on other people or countries for food. My friend eric is just an example.

Actually Jericho, I grew up in New Jersey and spent a great deal of time in New York. I'm just trying to understand your perspective. Where do you get your information that thousands upon thousands of others are starving? I seriously want to know, not trying to slam or flame you.

[Jericho117]

Saying there isn't hungry poor people is like saying we don't breath air. My resources come from books, the news, and the radio. I hear information consisting of up-to-date countries with people who don't have food. Jesus this forum is a battle zone lol.

[Riverrat]

I know around here more people then ever are saying they are going hunting this year, with the price of meat, and the health scares, they plan on getting their own., fresh from the forest. It is also becoming the trend to buy beef from the local farmers, by the side or quarter. Farmers markets are selling out fast, you have to be there when they open to get the good produce. People are preserving more, making jams, and growing their own small gardens(vegatable). People who have never put up food are now starting to store a bit. I am not sure if it is the cost of food that worries them or the situation in the world, but it is happining and I think it is for the better. If a disaster happens, be it a major storm to any other type of SHTF, more people will at least be a bit better prepared.

[trax]

Ahhh Riverrat,the voice of reason. Well phrased response my friend.

Jericho? Saying there's hungry people out there isn't the same thing as saying there's thousands upon thousands starving. Crash said he's just trying to learn where you got your information, no battle zone, calm down...put down the toaster ...no one here to throw it at...there we go...

[crashdive123]

Jericho - I never said that there weren't hungry or poor people. I actually grew up fairly poor but never knew it, as all of my friends were living like I was. I don't mean to make it seem as though this is a battle zone to you, but when you make a statement that not many people have enough food or money to get by, I'm going to ask you about it. I don't buy into the statistics that you site is why I asked for a source. I do watch the news and read quite a bit - never heard what you're saying. Now if you mean that most of your friends that are around your age don't have enough money (you're 15 right?) that's another thing. When I was a teenager I never felt as though I had enough money.

[BraggSurvivor]

The strong will survive.

As it should be in a harsh reality .

Idealism is nice but it is bull****t when facing a harsh reality of hardship.

The race's will be stripped down to essentials of survival again.

Nice knowing you all.

[trax]

The strong will survive.

As it should be in a harsh reality .

Idealism is nice but it is bull****t when facing a harsh reality of hardship.

The race's will be stripped down to essentials of survival again.

Nice knowing you all.

Oh yeah? The four horsemen have the tag number on the BraggMobile buddy....yeah....take that

[BraggSurvivor]

:D:D:D:D

It's in my wife's name Trax. Already thought of that. :D

[crashdive123]

What? You think one measly human sacrifice is going to make them happy?

[trax]

Oh yeah, they've got those horses trained to track down the smell of grilled brats....it's end of days my friend, trade in that BraggMobile for some sack cloth and ashes.

[BraggSurvivor]

Crash, you really need to buy better liquor , the cheep stuff is making you crazy.

You know me better than that, I have prepared. :D

[crashdive123]

:eek::eek:What's wrong with my Glen Fiddich?:eek::eek:

[trax]

Crash, you really need to buy better liquor , the cheep stuff is making you crazy.

You know me better than that, I have prepared. :D

Oh my God, he's gonna throw the kids at them, that is so sad.

[BraggSurvivor]

Oh yeah, they've got those horses trained to track down the smell of grilled brats....it's end of days my friend, trade in that BraggMobile for some sack cloth and ashes.

And a tattered top hat. I won't go down easily.

[trax]

:eek::eek:What's wrong with my Glen Fiddich?:eek::eek:

OK, I'm on my way to your house, that is the stuff

[BraggSurvivor]

:eek::eek:What's wrong with my Glen Fiddich?:eek::eek:

I retract, that's what I sip.

[trax]

Cool, if teotwawki hits Alberta before Manitoba, can I have your share?

[BraggSurvivor]

What is a Manitoba? I'm not familiar.....

[crashdive123]

Here you go Bragg.
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/Image/toga2.jpg

Oh wait, that's a man in a toga.....never mind.

[trax]

Dang, Crash, I thought you had it right until you corrected yourself. Bragg, if you check with the original Indian names, Manitoba really does mean God's country...cuz they knew. They had a name for Alberta too but it was something they mumbled under their breath that meant the place we send relatives we don't want around, or something like that.

[BraggSurvivor]

Alberta: Wild rose country....... home of the metrosexual ketchup bottle.

[trax]

ah ha! now we know who "wild rose" is,:D :D :D

[DickensCPA]

I hate to pick the scab off a wound but I bet all these "survivor" type shows on TV have a bit to do with it too. From the competition show Survivor to the Discovery Channel offerings. This will usually get the "fad" people going.

[bulrush]

The show "Survivor" was not so much about survival as it was about back stabbing and starving numptys. Kind of like anorexia in Beverly Hills. I was deeply disappointed after I saw the first season.

[davef]

Alberta: Wild rose country....... home of the metrosexual ketchup bottle.

At least you have Vulcan, complete with it's own spaceship :)

[Fletcher]

I hate to pick the scab off a wound but I bet all these "survivor" type shows on TV have a bit to do with it too. From the competition show Survivor to the Discovery Channel offerings. This will usually get the "fad" people going.



What? Survivor Man Rules!!!!!!!!!! everybody knows that!


O please forgive me Les

[davef]

I think that the desire goes a bit deeper than just the television shows.
Granted, they "feed" the survival need, but my feeling, is that the "need" has
to already be there in the first place.

When I was in college I took some undergrad courses in Psychology. In one
of these courses, we were presented with a population experiment that was
done on rats. A breeding pair of rats were put into a closed (confined) area,
given lots of food and water and were left to do what came naturally. Over
the following months the rats were observed as the population increased.
Soon the population had grown too big for the confinement area to sustain
them. Being in such close proximity, increasingly anti-social behavior was
observed, with violent acts leading to death (in the rats, not the observers :) )
and even instances of cannibalism were observed.

It's been a long time since I took the course and my memory isn't as bright
as it used to be, but I believe that within 6 months the experiment was shut
down, as most of the rats had died. What was interesting to the observers,
was that the way the bodies of a lot of the dead rats were arranged. A
comment in the experiment write-up suggested that it appeared the rats
were trying to escape the confines of the containment enclosure.

The point that I'm getting at, is that as the human population increases, we
are more and more being herded like sheep or cattle into the bigger cities,
where we are more and more confined, and have an increased desire to "get
away from it all".
I know that I do!!!

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

The increase in "primitive tehchnology" is due to the availability of internet. Who pays for
walnuts when you have trees in your backyard? Not me, I pick them up!FREE! Wild food and Equipment cuts down on my "expense" Dont buy what you can Hunt and Gather.

[Rick]

And some of us just want to the keep the knowledge alive and passed on to our kids.

[bulrush]

The increase in "primitive tehchnology" is due to the availability of internet.

Good point. I never would have learned primitive skills without the internet because that is considered a "niche subject", so my library system (30+ branches), as a whole, might have 2 (fairly unhelpful) books on the subject. Book stores might have more variety of questionable material, but I wouldn't want to spend my hard earned cash on questionable books (been there done that).

p.s. There's a reason why books are in the bargain bin at the book store. They just aren't that good. I've never gotton a good book from a bargain bin. I got a book "How they used to do things". This was a smaller format book, about 5x7 inches, about 30 pages, and each topic had one page. And not a useful tip in the whole book.

[Beo]

Metrosexual! That's frig'n disgusting, I don't wanna be anywhere near a metrosexual anything. Just another Yuppie mutation into pompas grossness and trying to keep up with the Jonese and be the 'cool' guy. Metrostupid is more like it.

[allwisdom]

All people should try to learn about what plants,leaves,roots are edible.what plants are fast growers.Seeds of vegetables,potatoes,tapioca.sweet potatoes and others should be kept.Food will be scarce and we will have to grow and eat what we cultivate.We will have to live in caves and underground tunnels because the atmosphere at ground level will be unbearable.The ground will be covered with volcanic ash and the winds will be beyond anything you can imagine.There is the constant threat of gangs of ruffians who roam the grounds and who will kill to get what they want.
Browse the net and learn whatever you can.
Wishing you a safe survival,
allwisdom
****EDIT*****

[nell67]

All people should try to learn about what plants,leaves,roots are edible.what plants are fast growers.Seeds of vegetables,potatoes,tapioca.sweet potatoes and others should be kept.Food will be scarce and we will have to grow and eat what we cultivate.We will have to live in caves and underground tunnels because the atmosphere at ground level will be unbearable.The ground will be covered with volcanic ash and the winds will be beyond anything you can imagine.There is the constant threat of gangs of ruffians who roam the grounds and who will kill to get what they want.
Browse the net and learn whatever you can.
Wishing you a safe survival,
allwisdom
www.swearthtoday.com (http://www.swearthtoday.com)

huh?? what you say?how 'bout heading over to the intro thread and telling us about yourself? And links to your wwebsite are not allowed in the body of your post,try adding it to your signature so it will show up each time you post.

[crashdive123]

All people should try to learn about what plants,leaves,roots are edible.what plants are fast growers.Seeds of vegetables,potatoes,tapioca.sweet potatoes and others should be kept.Food will be scarce and we will have to grow and eat what we cultivate.We will have to live in caves and underground tunnels because the atmosphere at ground level will be unbearable.The ground will be covered with volcanic ash and the winds will be beyond anything you can imagine.There is the constant threat of gangs of ruffians who roam the grounds and who will kill to get what they want.
Browse the net and learn whatever you can.
Wishing you a safe survival,
allwisdom


I would normally say welcome and agree with Nell about heading to the introduction section. I won't do that here. You've got to be kidding me.

[Rick]

1st. What the heck are you talking about? If the atmosphere at ground level is unbearable how will those ruffians roam about? Need a bit more work on the plan.

2nd. Someone on that website you posted needs to learn how to code. That was about the worst layout for a website I've ever seen. Need a bit more work on the web site.

3rd. Not bad for a first post. The punch line needs a better delivery though. Need a bit more work on the delivery.

4th. You can't put your website in the body of the post. Need a bit more work on the forum instructions.

[ArmySurvivalist]

I fully agree on the plant life. You may want to start soon cause its not a 1 page list.
When I first started to learn about plant life, I started by checking into my local area first and learning what I could. Then whenever I go somewhere I try to learn about the plants in that area too.

Sometimes its nice to do that anyways because some plants are actually quite good as
snacks and flavor for cooking.

I love primitive methods because no matter what, they are tried and true. Years and years of testing and practice is hard to ignore and not add to the list of knowledge to add to your head cage.

:)

My 2 cents

Rick, did I just post into a **** storm?

[Rick]

I'm still checking the catalog to determine exactly what it is. There are no reports of UFOs so we can rule that out. More to come, it's a big catalog.

[ArmySurvivalist]

LOL, I wanna get a copy of that. Address listed in Location. :D

[Rick]

Hey! Would you look at that? I found it. I have to hand it to Allwisdom, he sure picked an obscure disaster to saddle the earth with. According to my catalog of natural disasters he has described an Earthquaknadoeurricanevolca. Now that's rare in anyone's book. I think I'll be living in a tunnel or some place underground to ride this puppy out. Now I just have to figure out how to get sweet 'taters to grow in a cave.

[trax]

that's why I made you Minister of Science young 'un, you keep up the good work.

Nell.....we gotta move the sweet 'taters into some kinda cave, Rick said so!!

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ive had my fill of horrible weather. and another hurricane is upon us. i'll settle for anything growing in a cave!

[Rick]

I conjured up a nice batch of mold once...but I was shootin' for carrots so we won't talk about that.

[Gray Wolf]

All people should try to learn about what plants,leaves,roots are edible.what plants are fast growers.Seeds of vegetables,potatoes,tapioca.sweet potatoes and others should be kept.Food will be scarce and we will have to grow and eat what we cultivate.We will have to live in caves and underground tunnels because the atmosphere at ground level will be unbearable.The ground will be covered with volcanic ash and the winds will be beyond anything you can imagine.There is the constant threat of gangs of ruffians who roam the grounds and who will kill to get what they want.
Browse the net and learn whatever you can.
Wishing you a safe survival,
allwisdom
www.swearthtoday.com

Who ever this is put a link to one of Beo's posts on that site.....
The 2012 Teotwawki

Beo, your famous in other worlds too!!!

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1985

[vanguard1]

my uncle once grew some pot in a sock in a closet....kinda cave like :P

I think having a backup is always a good idea, you're local friendly government agencies have back up plans. Besides - the chatter levels are quite high and global situations are not stable, and as long as man is in 'control' they will not become stable.

The reality is, in my view, that things will not get better until they far worse first. We have no idea the depths in front of us at the moment - the masses of sheep are content to continue on, following and being clones of each other. When the bottom falls out - and it will - millions are going to be thrown into a level of shock not seen in this version of recorded history.

It's kind of like a perfect storm brewing, and really only a very few percent of us are aware of that. Even fewer of us that are aware and make efforts to learn more will really make it through what could be in store.

Didn't you get the memo? primitive is the new advanced. :)

[crashdive123]

Bragg? Oh never mind.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

primitive man unraveled the fabric of life. all technologies led to one determination,...
when the sun blows up, all life will fry. for us to survive the future we must remember our past. messiah said "let the dead bury thier own dead" what do you suppose he meant by that? two things... thoes who refuse reality are dead, and thoes who acknowledge reality know how they are dead.

[Rick]

Please send all useless dollars to me for disposal.

Sheeple Rick

[ArmySurvivalist]

I will take a sliver of donations :) In a good number of ways vanguard1 is right. Having been in the mess no less then a few weeks ago, I can tell you the " Big Picture " is looking grim.

I do believe with all these problems unless prophecy catches the will of man we may be in trouble. To many people want destruction and not enough want tranquility.

[allwisdom]

This is one thing few ppl think about:- Store thick cotton clothings,like jeans,cotton t-shirts,sweaters etc,etc. Nylon will melt and burn when the sparks of volcanic ashes touch you.You will not be able to buy anything.No electricity,gas cookers, fuel and so on.

[crashdive123]

This is one thing few ppl think about:- Store thick cotton clothings,like jeans,cotton t-shirts,sweaters etc,etc. Nylon will melt and burn when the sparks of volcanic ashes touch you.You will not be able to buy anything.No electricity,gas cookers, fuel and so on.

Something else that few people think about......take off their tin foil hat in a lightning storm.

[Rick]

Allwisdom - That was your second post and it makes no more sense than your first. I think you've been watching a few too many sci-fi movies.

By the way, neither of your posts had anything to do with the title of the thread, which is.... More people interested in primitive skills? (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4048)

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Allwisdom - That was your second post and it makes no more sense than your first. I think you've been watching a few too many sci-fi movies.

By the way, neither of your posts had anything to do with the title of the thread, which is.... More people interested in primitive skills? (http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4048)
or mabe that survivor show with yao man

[Tony uk]

Something else that few people think about......take off their tin foil hat in a lightning storm.

LOL, Good one Crash :p

I have another question allwisdom , IF the surface atmoshere becoms unbreathable and we will have to live in bunkers then how do you plan on storeing enough water to keep you AND the plants alive ?

Also if you plan on growing plants to eat then what will you do about the lack of a oxeygen supply one youve finshed off your food ?

Hmmmmm, To many hours wtching disaster movies me thinks.....

[Rick]

The first part of genius is having a plan. The second part is execution. He's got the first part going pretty good but he sure needs to work on that second part.

[Tony uk]

The first part of genius is having a plan. The second part is execution. He's got the first part going pretty good but he sure needs to work on that second part.

Alot............ :cool:

[ArmySurvivalist]

Its hard to say once the atmosphere goes, If it does for that matter. But the thing that people need to understand is that its not the atmosphere that will kill millions, its the economic destruction and the terrorists that are more of a threat right now.

If the terrorists think they won in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan then the attacks against the U.N and the U.S will grow ten fold. Believe me I know and have studied the culture and have spent years overseas.

Now the best part is the people smart enough to live in the country or in the mountains stand about a 79.8% chance to live a nuclear attack and survive the nuclear winter. That is a better chance then I have in this popular Texas city I am in.

Just some facts that I have put together.

[survivalnut]

The survival shows are surely a sign that "survival is in". They wouldn't stay on the air if there wasn't an audience. I have seen more interest if for no other reason than more exposure through the survival shows, you-tube and other internet gatherings. I am very glad to see this and think there is surely a trend towards primitive skills and survival. This is great because it means more information sharing and skill development. More schools and instructors who can profit from the the interest and more practitioners in the long run!

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Thats right, and the Primative part of it is what i would like to see more of.Even ATV's as much as we love 'em they take away from the primative and untouched.

[wareagle69]

i take an edward abbey approach to this, if it were not for these machines (atv's and snowmobiles) the wilderness would be less approachable to most, when i am out especially in winter i despise smeeling the exhaust of these infernal machines dang them all let them all rust back to the earth from whence they sprang, and lets these soft tubs of lard walk 10 kms into the bush, slow down and appreciate the beauty to treat it as a journey not a destination to conqeur

[klkak]

As I have said in other posts. Most ATV'ers rarely venture off the established trail system. That leaves a tremendous amount of country for those who go afoot.

One might ask:
How do you get to the trail head where you start your adventure?
How much of an impact does the manufacturing of the material you take with you make on the environment?

There is a wisdom that says: "Do not point out the sliver in your brothers eye until you have removed the board from your own eye". Every one who enjoys the wilderness, enjoys it in his own way.

It is best to just leave it at that.

[crashdive123]

Very well stated.

[allwisdom]

LOL, Good one Crash :p

I have another question allwisdom , IF the surface atmoshere becoms unbreathable and we will have to live in bunkers then how do you plan on storeing enough water to keep you AND the plants alive ?

Also if you plan on growing plants to eat then what will you do about the lack of a oxeygen supply one youve finshed off your food ?

Hmmmmm, To many hours wtching disaster movies me thinks.....
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Where on earth did I say that the surface atmosphere will become unbreatheable? When you go up a very high mountain the air becomes very thin but you can still breadth.You can get water from springs or from mountain streams,even from certain plants.You have to try to learn how to survive in the worst of conditions.There will still be some oxygen or you cannot breathe.What you can do is to have some plants. get some generators,dynamos, to produce electricity for the plants.Find some batteries too.There will still be some animals and food from the sea.
The safest places where your can survive nuclear fallouts is in thick forest by the mountainside.The mountains are the safest places to survive floods.The World Council has two sanctuaries where the chances of survival is good.You have to find and learn how to survive in the worst of conditions and against mad villains who will be roaming around.You need to have weapons to protect you friends and family.You need dried foods which you can store or carry with you.We cannot know what it will be like,but we have to try to survive.
thank your for your questions.It helps us to try to find answers to things we did not think about.
Sorry Rick about the website link,but it is not my website.It is now in the signature

[crashdive123]

Dude, you seriously need to take up a hobby.

[nell67]

What Crash said,seriously.......:rolleyes:

[klkak]

What is this guy like 12 or 13. He sounds very immature.

[BruceZed]

I am seeing no real change over the years in student numbers. Although in Alberta our economy is still booming due to $100 Oil, so it may depend on were you are and who well the economy is doing.