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Okay we all know there are a ton of books out there on survival, from Tom Brown (who's I like after you get past all the spiritual junk) to Cody Loudin (Also like), British SAS to American Special Forces, Army-Navy Marines-and Air Force, Jo Bob the survivalist to arm chair wilderness numpty who steals info and re-writes it for his own book, Les to Bear and many others.
But does having been in the military as a Marine Force Recon, Army Ranger or Special Forces soldier, Navy Seal or Air Force SAR & SERE instructor make you a master at survival or good enough to write a book.
I ask this because some things can be dangerous and getting all your info from a book can be dangerous and not practicing can be dangerous.
So what do you think?
Sarge47
08-26-2008, 12:15 PM
I believe that a book on Survival by itself is not enough, but it's a good place as any to start. The books that I've listed from the boy scouts are books to be used in the "field". That means "get out into the woods" & learn how to actually do it! In the movie; "Cast-Away", starring Tom Hanks, Mr. Hanks relates, in a "behind the scenes interview", that he actually was put on an island in a real survival course so he could reproduce what he showed in the film. Starting a fire in ideal conditions is easy, but try it in a blizzard or pouring down rain & without matches or a lighter. ALL equipment & knowledge HAS to be tested before being used, even if it's for nothing more than a camping trip. That's a "no-brainer".:cool:
Dennis K.
08-26-2008, 12:26 PM
Most of the books I've seen are good if, for no other reason, they get you to think about possible scenarios.
Obviously, reality will trump any imagined scenario - like the firestarter thread. Nothing beats actually making one. But the numpty must start somewhere.
Betwixt the book and reality lies everyone. The goal is to move toward reality. Gotta start somewhere...
cool, Dennis said "betwixt", man that beats Rick's "ergo" where do they find them? Uh yeah, survival books, never had one myself but I'm sure they serve a purpose. Everyone should read one or two I guess.
Catfish
08-26-2008, 02:15 PM
Not all of us had the luxury of a Dad / Grandad / Ol' codger who took us under his wing to teach us this stuff and it would take a looooooooong time to figure it all out from scratch. Other folks (me for instance) learned a lot of useful stuff years ago, but then never used it as an adult so it's now lost to the mists of time.
Books on survival are good resource to tell us how to get started. Not at all a substitute for getting out there and doing it, but a guide to tell us what we should be practising.
Dennis K.
08-26-2008, 02:27 PM
cool, Dennis said "betwixt", man that beats Rick's "ergo" where do they find them? Uh yeah, survival books, never had one myself but I'm sure they serve a purpose. Everyone should read one or two I guess.
Not to be bebothersome, but methinks betwixt is a fine word, ergo, I'll use it, et al, vis-a-vis and via forumese
:)
Dennis (word of the day) K.
Bibow
08-26-2008, 03:46 PM
the only problem that you could ever run into with books is that they can complicate stuff for example: gutting a deer, somebody could write a million books on gutting skinning and butchering a deer. but really all you have to do is sit back and think: ok the guts are in the deer now and they need to be outside the deer when i'm done. everythings complicated in some way but the only way to learn is try. watch how somebody else does it. that's another way i've learnt alot of stuff. just my 2 cents
survivalnut
08-26-2008, 03:58 PM
Dirt time is essential. Check out the author team; John and Geri Mcpherson if you want to find someone who teaches/writes based on actual experience and if your are into primitive technology. This couple is the real deal yet have no initials, degrees, military training or the like to say they are worthwhile. The test is reading it and applying the info much like testing the fruit of the tree to see if it is worthwhile. Cheers~!
Oh,....that Dennis K guy is gooooood.
I've had more than one occasion in my life in which someone with no knowledge or training in something I was a master in explained to me how simple it was or how they didn't need to be trained, etc. etc. etc. The bottom line is you don't know what you don't know.
You've been trained in escape and evasion. Are you better or smarter than me in that field. Well, yeah. You've been trained in survival on the battlefield. Are you better or smarter than me in that field. Well, yeah again. So if I want to learn something about escape and evasion or survival on the battlefield and you've written a book on either subject then it does me a world of good to read it. BUT!! It's only one view point based on YOUR training and YOUR experience. So I only see through one set of eyes. It would do me much more good to find several similar authors and read their books just to broaden the view. If one contradicts the other I just have to remember they both might be right based on their experience and set of circumstances.
Does it make you a master? Probably, at the things you've trained and practiced in provided you've continued to stay well versed and well trained. But, as in the paragraph above, it's not the be all, end all.
You became a master because you studied some subject and practiced it over and over. If I expect to achieve any level of expertise in the subject then I have to do the same thing. Reading your book only makes me a master at reading your book.
I prithee, that Dennis K is a man of strong colloquy!
Dennis K.
08-26-2008, 05:43 PM
If one ponders my fustian and bombast now, wait 'til Sept 19 (http://www.talklikeapirate.com/)
aaaaaarrrrghhhh.
RobertRogers
08-26-2008, 06:05 PM
There are many writers who merely copy one another without actually doing it themselves - so you have to be very careful using what you read in a book; there is alot of bad info out there taken as truth. This can get you hurt or even killed.
Like survivalacorn, I mean nut, said, dirtime is essential.
Ah yes but you put a survival nut in the dirt and what do you have? A dirty survival nut!
crashdive123
08-26-2008, 06:06 PM
Ahoy! - "Hello!"
And ye may lay to that! - "You betcha!"
Arrr! - This is often confused with "arrrrgh," which is, of course, the sound you make when you sit on a belaying pin. "Arrrr!", like "Aloha," means variously, "yes," "I agree," "I'm happy," "I'm enjoying this beer," "My team is going to win it all," "I saw that television show, it sucked!" and "That was a clever remark you or I just made." And those are just a few of the myriad possibilities of Arrr!
Avast! - derived from "hold fast". Stop and give attention. This word, like many pirate words, has multiple meanings, so it can also can be used in place of, "Whoa! Get a load of that!" "Check it out" or "No way!" or "Get off!"
Aye! - "Yes!"
Aye aye! - "I understand what you said and I will carry out your order!"
Be - "Am, is, are." As in "I (or Me) be goin' t' get more grog, he be goin' t' get more grog, and they be goin' t' get more grog." This will also avoid confusion between "are" and "arrr" or "arrgh."
Beauty – The best possible pirate address for a woman. Always preceded by "me," as in, "C'mere, me beauty," or even, "me buxom beauty," to one particularly well endowed. You'll be surprised how effective this is.
Bilge rat – The bilge is the lowest level of the ship. It's loaded with ballast and slimy, reeking water. A bilge rat, then, is a rat that lives in the worst place on the ship. Pirates, just like their modern-day counterparts (regular guys), love to joke and jibe with their buddies. By all means, pirates will call their buddies "bilge rats."
Bung hole – It's the hole in a wooden barrel, usually sealed with a cork. To get what's in the barrel out, usually, the cork is pried out, opening the bung hole. Saying, "Well, me hearties, let's see what crawled out of the bung hole" will often be accompanied by the sound of 21st century citizens running for their lives. Yay! Dinner for one, coming up!
Davy Jones' Locker - Where the souls of drowned pirates go.
Grog – An alcoholic drink, usually rum diluted with water, but in this context you could use it to refer to any alcoholic beverage other than beer, and we aren't prepared to be picky about that, either.
Hornpipe – Both a single-reeded musical instrument sailors often had aboard ship, and a spirited dance that sailors do. The common term for being filled with lust is "horny," and hornpipe then has some comical possibilities. "Is that a hornpipe in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? Or both?"
Hearties or Matey - Shipmates or friends.
Lubber – (or land lubber) Where a lubber is a poor seaman, a land lubber is an exceptionally ignorant seaman. [1] In a room where everyone is talking like pirates, lubber is always an insult.
Motherload - refers to when the largest amount of booty is successfully located.
Savvy - Ok or understand. As in, "Savvy?" meaning "Do you understand"
Scrumpet- A name for a women, not the most polite term but not rude either.
Smartly – Do something quickly. "Smartly, me lass," you might say when sending the bar maid off for another round. She will be so impressed she might well spit in your beer.
Scurvy - Well, of course, it's an awful affliction that used to bedevil buccaneers in days gone by; that's one reason there was lime juice added to the rum in the water, making grog. So calling someone a "scurvy bilge rat" is even worse than calling him a "bilge rat."
Shiver me timbers! - Pirate for "Well, I'll be" or "Is that so?".
Show a Leg! - Phrase to wake up a sailor. "Show a leg!, it be dawn, you scurvy lubber!"
Wench - Woman, girl, or waitress. Whatever.
Yardarm - Not just convenient framework to hang the sails, but often times used as a holding post for the disobedient ol' salts, as in, "Tie that dawg to the yardarm".
Arrr! - This is often confused with "arrrrgh," which is, of course, the sound you make when you sit on a belaying pin. "Arrrr!", like "Aloha," means variously, "yes," "I agree," "I'm happy," "I'm enjoying this beer," "My team is going to win it all," "I saw that television show, it sucked!" and "That was a clever remark you or I just made." And those are just a few of the myriad possibilities of Arrr!
18th letter of the alphabet.
Avast! - derived from "hold fast". Stop and give attention. This word, like many pirate words, has multiple meanings, so it can also can be used in place of, "Whoa! Get a load of that!" "Check it out" or "No way!" or "Get off!"
A lot... as in avast amount of salt was used to preserve the pork.
Aye! - "Yes!"
9th letter of the alphabet
Aye aye! - "I understand what you said and I will carry out your order!"
stereoscopic vision aka a man with two eyes.
Be - "Am, is, are." As in "I (or Me) be goin' t' get more grog, he be goin' t' get more grog, and they be goin' t' get more grog." This will also avoid confusion between "are" and "arrr" or "arrgh."
2nd letter of the alphabet. (this is too easy).
Beauty – The best possible pirate address for a woman. Always preceded by "me," as in, "C'mere, me beauty," or even, "me buxom beauty," to one particularly well endowed. You'll be surprised how effective this is.
Bilge rat – The bilge is the lowest level of the ship. It's loaded with ballast and slimy, reeking water. A bilge rat, then, is a rat that lives in the worst place on the ship. Pirates, just like their modern-day counterparts (regular guys), love to joke and jibe with their buddies. By all means, pirates will call their buddies "bilge rats."
The 5th in a series of Buttes known as butte E.
Bung hole – It's the hole in a wooden barrel, usually sealed with a cork. To get what's in the barrel out, usually, the cork is pried out, opening the bung hole. Saying, "Well, me hearties, let's see what crawled out of the bung hole" will often be accompanied by the sound of 21st century citizens running for their lives. Yay! Dinner for one, coming up!
The result of jumping off a high place with too long of a bung cord tied around your ankles.
Davy Jones' Locker - Where the souls of drowned pirates go.
Where pirates buy their boots.
Grog – An alcoholic drink, usually rum diluted with water, but in this context you could use it to refer to any alcoholic beverage other than beer, and we aren't prepared to be picky about that, either.
A gay frog.
Hornpipe – Both a single-reeded musical instrument sailors often had aboard ship, and a spirited dance that sailors do. The common term for being filled with lust is "horny," and hornpipe then has some comical possibilities. "Is that a hornpipe in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? Or both?"
The pipes used to transport steam to the ship's horn.
Hearties or Matey - Shipmates or friends.
Breakfast cereal of pirates. Also Frosted Hearties or Mateys and Choco Hearties or Mateys.
Lubber – (or land lubber) Where a lubber is a poor seaman, a land lubber is an exceptionally ignorant seaman. [1] In a room where everyone is talking like pirates, lubber is always an insult.
What you have when you are just a bit over weight.
Motherload - refers to when the largest amount of booty is successfully located.
A request of a pirate's wife as in, "Motherload the children on the ship".
Savvy - Ok or understand. As in, "Savvy?" meaning "Do you understand"
A ship's doctor. One who makes salve.
Scrumpet- A name for a women, not the most polite term but not rude either.
The remains of a trumpet when a pirate is a lousy trumpet player.
Smartly – Do something quickly. "Smartly, me lass," you might say when sending the bar maid off for another round. She will be so impressed she might well spit in your beer.
The reference made when someone is Smart. It could be a smartbob, smartleroy, smartbill, etc. In this case he's a smartly.
Scurvy - Well, of course, it's an awful affliction that used to bedevil buccaneers in days gone by; that's one reason there was lime juice added to the rum in the water, making grog. So calling someone a "scurvy bilge rat" is even worse than calling him a "bilge rat."
What a yuppie pirate calls a shapely woman.
Shiver me timbers! - Pirate for "Well, I'll be" or "Is that so?".
A request to turn down the thermostat on a pirate ship.
Show a Leg! - Phrase to wake up a sailor. "Show a leg!, it be dawn, you scurvy lubber!"
What one pirate tells another pirate when they've been at sea far too long.
Wench - Woman, girl, or waitress. Whatever.
A tool in a pirate's tool chest. (hey! they weren't all treasure chests!)
Yardarm - Not just convenient framework to hang the sails, but often times used as a holding post for the disobedient ol' salts, as in, "Tie that dawg to the yardarm".
What a pirate gets when he's been at shore too long and forced by his wife to do yard work.
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crashdive123
08-26-2008, 08:35 PM
On Beo's original post - having a base of knowledge and expertise does not necessarily translate into being able to write a book about it. That can be a skill unto itself. Learning from books is a valuable part of learning. Another, equally valuable part (or more in my opinion) is what we used to call in the Navy or theory to practice, or putting into practice what you have learned.
the only problem that you could ever run into with books is that they can complicate stuff for example: gutting a deer, somebody could write a million books on gutting skinning and butchering a deer. but really all you have to do is sit back and think: ok the guts are in the deer now and they need to be outside the deer when i'm done. everythings complicated in some way but the only way to learn is try. watch how somebody else does it. that's another way i've learnt alot of stuff. just my 2 cents
Unless of course that individual has no idea what will happen if they puncture: a urine sac or the gut (stinky ooo, if that critter's digesting when you shot it) so, um, maybe if that person had some instruction....either from a book or someone who knows.....
Bibow
08-26-2008, 09:27 PM
well trax live and learn next time that person won't make the same mistake but i'm sure you understand what i'm saying... i hope
crashdive123
08-26-2008, 09:29 PM
Some things are good to learn from trial and error, while some things are not. Bomb disposal comes to mind as one of the NOT things.
Bibow
08-26-2008, 09:32 PM
sometimes you havnt had any chance to learn and you just have to go with what you think is right.
crashdive123
08-26-2008, 09:34 PM
What? Like - cut the red wire???
Bibow
08-26-2008, 09:39 PM
what about cutting them all at once ? or just the nicest colored wire
crashdive123
08-26-2008, 09:48 PM
Forget it. If I've got to explain the joke......guess I need to work on my delivery.
Catfish
08-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Ah yes but you put a survival nut in the dirt and what do you have? A dirty survival nut!
Well, no. If you leave a survival nut in the dirt long enough, you'll end up with a survival tree. Which might be kind of handy, come to think of it. Assuming the place where you need to survive happens to be right by the tree.
Hey survivalnut! How long can you stand still?
We'll check his feet every so often to see if he's putting down roots.
On the bomb disposal thing. My best plan is to have YOU cut the wires. I'll check the manual waaaaaaaay over there.
Beo.....
Ya know the answer. NO.
In general military training is not survival training. The military trained person will def. have one up on the greenhorn, or maybe a few up. In Recon, we are trained for combat and survival in platoon, squad, and team environment. Your basic survival guru is solo.
Military survival training does however have it's advantages. You learn additonal; landnav., first aid, evasion, and a host of other skills that may save your arse.
I always wonder about the military people who write expert books. I know many non mil. persons that know alot about primitive survival, much more than the average mil. guy.
You get out what you put in. If you're a 80%r, you may make it through the course, but your chances of dying are 30% more than the guy who put in 110%. I personally don't like those odds.
Rick & Crash,
Whatever you guys are smoking.....I wish you'd pass it around!!!!!!!!!!!
Or is it just alphabet soup???
crashdive123
08-27-2008, 07:12 AM
Rick & Crash,
Whatever you guys are smoking.....I wish you'd pass it around!!!!!!!!!!!
Or is it just alphabet soup???
Avast me matie! What say ye?
FVR in post #25 answered my question, and in my opinion is very correct,
I knew the answer FVR (snicker snicker) was seeing what others thought. :D
Actually, you asked three questions.........
well trax live and learn next time that person won't make the same mistake but i'm sure you understand what i'm saying... i hope
Pretty costly mistake when you ruin the meat you're cutting and you just killed some poor animal for nothing. How about, learn first and avoid stupid mistakes? I'm sure you understand what I'm saying...I hope.
Bibow
08-27-2008, 12:01 PM
i get what your saying but as i think i may have said sometimes you have no choice but to do it and even if you do nick something you'll still have to eat it. i always read books that over explain stuff and can sometimes do it much easier without doing everything the books say. but maybe i used a bad example earlier
but i'm sure you get that i'm trying to say books can over complicate stuff.
What's wrong with ruptured bladder tasting food? At least Bear Grylls would drink the urine... geeeesh Trax come on.
I think I know what you mean now Bibow, especially those pesky books with no pictures?
If there is water near by you could wash out the inside right away without ruining it, or clean it by a stream and if you nick the bladder or stomach wash it out. When I first learned how to field dress a deer I cut the stomach amd we washed it out in a creek, at the house we washed it again with hose. This must be done right away tough.
Well, you see bro, that's my point, Bibow knows that now because he read it here.
I've had gas a few times... lol... never oxygen :D
Y'know, I believe you Beo, that you're not getting any oxygen.:D :D :D
Remy: very well written response again
Yuk it up Canadian boy but the airs thinner up there.
I think practice is also a part of our learning process.
It starts as children put their uncontrolled fingers in the wrong places and say Pe Yew! Waaaaaaaaaaa.:D
crashdive123
08-27-2008, 01:52 PM
Rick - you could have used the electrical outlets as an example, but nooooooo....you had to go there! Yuck.
Yuk it up Canadian boy but the airs thinner up there.
Yeah yeah, go gut deer til you're blue in the face (oh wait! you already are!) air gets thinner by altitude, not latitude my oxygen deprived friend.
Ohhhh wait a second, I know why Beo thought the air got thinner by latitude...dyslexics of the world...UNTIE!
So I have this deer full of fecal matter from nicking an intestine, right? I wash it out in the stream sending e coli down stream and filling up the carcass of my soon to be meal with protazoa, parasites, bacteria and viruses from the stream. Yummmmm!
Dennis K.
08-27-2008, 05:17 PM
cook it up to an internal temp of 140F. All those things mentioned die in the 130's.
140 is a nice medium for a steak. still a little pink, still juicy.
Live, aerobic bugs ain't so bad - heat kills 'em. The toxins produced by some bugs that live in anaerobic environments (botulism) can be quite nasty, though, and do not de-nature with heat.
still, I don't think i'd enjoy eating deer poo even if it was well done.
Bibow
08-27-2008, 08:52 PM
we have our own kind of thin hard to breath air up here beo
Gray Wolf
08-27-2008, 09:17 PM
I thought that you needed to cook to an internal temp of 160F to 180F depending on what it is your cooking, if there was a concern.
Atomic
08-27-2008, 09:54 PM
Some things are good to learn from trial and error, while some things are not. Bomb disposal comes to mind as one of the NOT things.
Edible plants. That's all I'm saying...
Atomic
08-27-2008, 09:57 PM
I thought that you needed to cook to an internal temp of 160F to 180F depending on what it is your cooking, if there was a concern.
When in doubt. Burn it out.
COOKING TEMPERATURES
Ground Meat and Meat Mixtures:
Ground beef, pork, veal, lamb -- 160°F
Ground turkey, chicken -- 165°F
Fresh Beef, Veal, Lamb:
Medium rare -- 145°F
Medium -- 160°F
Well Done -- 170°F
Poultry:
Chicken & Turkey, whole -- 180°F
Poultry breasts, roast -- 170°F
Poultry thighs, wings, legs -- 180°F
Duck & Goose -- 180°F
Stuffing (cooked alone or in bird) -- 165°F
Fresh Pork:
Medium -- 160°F
Well Done -- 170°F
Ham:
Fresh (raw) -- 160°F
Pre-cooked (to reheat) -- 140°F
Eggs & Egg Dishes:
Eggs -- Cook until yolk & white are firm
Egg dishes -- 150°F
Leftovers & Casseroles -- 165°F
Source: USDA
To determine the temperature for cooking, just hold your hand about 4 inches above the flames and count, in seconds, how long you can hold it there without burning yourself.
2 seconds is hot at approx. 450 degrees.
3 seconds is medium at 350 degrees
4 seconds is low at 250 degrees.
1 minute...you forgot to light the fire. Put down the beer!
Dennis K.
08-28-2008, 10:00 AM
Ah yes - the USDA List. A most excellent resource if you like your meats well-done and dried out. Actually, in a survival situation, that might be the best way to go, considering it would not be wise to have any risk of infection if you are also faced with other survival obstacles.
From a culinary standpoint, here are some temps:
Beef and Lamb
Roasts, Steaks & Chops
Rare 120° to 125°F
cool red center
Medium Rare 130° to 135°F
warm red center
Medium 140° to 145°F
light pink, warm center
Medium Well 150° to 155°F
only a tiny bit of pink in the center
Well Done 160°F and above
no pink - steak is uniformly brown throughout
Ground Meat 160° to 165°F
always cook ground meat to at least medium well.
no longer pink but uniformly brown throughout
Poultry (Chicken & Duck)
165°F cook until juices run clear
Turkey
NOTE: A 12-lb turkey can easily handle 60 to 90 minutes of resting. During that time, temperature can rise 30 degrees if not exposed to drafts.
165°F
juices run clear - leg moves easily
Stuffing (cooked alone or in turkey)
165°F
Pork
Roasts, Steaks & Chops
Medium 140° to 145°F
pale pink center
Well Done 160°F and above
steak is uniformly brown throughout
Sausage (raw) 160°F
no longer pink
Coupla notes & addenda based on my years in professional kitchens:
1. Ground meat in all its forms (Burgers, sausages, chili, meat sauces, etc) presents the most hazard - simple reason is that it provides the most surface area for bacterial growth.
2. Steaks, chops, roasts are generally safer because only the surface of the meat has been exposed - surface temperatures for meat cooked are usually high enough to kill any surface infections.
3. The greatest hazard comes from improper food storage. High protein foods with a lot of moisture are perfect cultures for bacterial growth. So, either finish that chicken soup, or chill it to below 40F - which is the temp where bacterial growth is inhibited (not stopped, just slowed way down)
4. So - you have fresh game and have punctured one of the organs while dressing. At this point, you are dealing with surface contamination. Water will remove much of it, although things like stomach acid might affect the flavor of the meat, since it can penetrate the natural membranes within the meat. Bacterial infections can be addressed with heat.
5. Some parasitic infections are more difficult, as the parasite "encapsulates" - that means, the parasite develops a hard casing that can survive conditions that are adverse to the parasite - like lack of water, excessive heat, changes in pH. Sometimes these can be pretty obvious - like an obviously diseased animal, worms, skin lesions. When in doubt, 165F + is always order.
6. Some infections produce toxins. For example - the Botulism bacteria is harmless, but the chemical it produces is deadly and does not break down with heat. Fortunately, most of us have common sense. If its slimy, smells bad and obviously rotten, it is not a lawyer, it is garbage. Incidentally, another toxin is produced by yeast - its called alcohol - yummy!
7. Most food-borne bacteria is destroyed at 140F.
8. Always re-heat leftovers to the well-done state - 165F and hold for 3 minutes to kill any nasties that developed while in storage.
9. People most at risk of food-born illness are young (pre-adolescent) children, the elderly, people w/ compromised immune systems, people who have recently suffered food-born illness. Cook foods up to 165F.
And I thought the slime helped the food go down easier. Live and learn, I guess.
Thanks for the info!!
That away...Dennis (He knows how to cook a mean steak) K.
Dennis K.
08-28-2008, 10:12 AM
The slime.... heh
What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?
One is a slimy, scum-sucking bottom dweller.
The other lives in water.
tonester
08-28-2008, 03:56 PM
i think its a two part exercise...if you are gonna take the time to get a survival book and read it, then you should take the time and practice what you have learned. practice makes perfect!
Proud American
08-28-2008, 05:57 PM
Well if you dont trust a book why trust random guys on the web?:rolleyes:
Truth is if your like me and you don't know somthin you got to find it out before exsperimenting. Like I can guess that cutting open the urine sack on the deer is bad but where is the dumb thing.....here......whats that!?!?:eek:
Thats why I come up here to get knowledge. Though experimenting in a controled situation is the best place. If you have hot dogs to eat when you mess up on that dear you wont go hungry.So in a survival situation you won't waist energy on it. Also Military survival training allows you to stay calm cause you know that you have some knowlage. The most important thing in survival is STAY CALM.
Just my 2 pesos.
Proud American
08-28-2008, 07:39 PM
1st:Yes I do mean knowledge (I'm still on summer vacation till Monday so I have an exuse:p
2nd:Chee that is a good plan surviving in a survival situation(writes in small survival journal) :D
Yes that is true Remy( actualy I thoght about that right after I posted). But staying calm is an important way of acomplishing that goal. You can know a whole lot but if you panic you will act quickly and make dumb mistakes that could be fatal.Wich is another reason why practicing is important, if you practice for survival your less likely to panic.
That holds true of kids being able to get out of a burning house!! Practice the escape plan with them over and over so it's a routine with them. It just might save their life!!
Proud American
08-28-2008, 07:59 PM
Please remmember the kid on vacation:p It took me two reads to figure out that last part:rolleyes:.
Yes I see what your saying but things are always about priority. Do i need water or shelter first? Well that depends on your situation, are you in winter conditions? Then water and food should be a priority. Stuff like that.
I hope my vegetated mind makes sense:o
That holds true of kids being able to get out of a burning house!! Practice the escape plan with them over and over so it's a routine with them. It just might save their life!!
Of course, burning your house down over and over again makes it really hard to get insurance, but that escape plan makes it all worth it. :D
Catfish
08-29-2008, 03:20 PM
What's the difference between a catfish and a lawyer?
Hey, wait a minute! Should I be insulted here?
No, it's OK, you said "a catfish", not "Catfish". Never mind.
yellowcab
01-16-2026, 07:59 PM
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