Moderators, Dictators or coordinators

[Sourdough]

What role should Moderators play in a forum....? Maybe none, they stay hidden unless things get out of control, then step in, and take action.

Or do they lead the discussion in the direction that suites their agenda, through bully tactics, intimidation, ridicule, etc.

There are rules for moderators in a debate, they do not lead, they do not actively engage in the debate, they control the time allowed for response, and ask questions, etc.

Should forum moderators steer the discussion the direction they think it should go, or stay out of the discussion for the most part.....?

[Beo]

That's a hard one for on here Hopeak, since to me our moderators are part of most talks and bring good information to the table which I want to continue, they joke with us, and correct us when things get out of hand such a thread turning political or religious, and even nasty which has happened here, to me thats a good thing and they keep forum rules in check. The only thing they shouldn't do is close a post or kick someone out because of their personal feelings, that as far as I know has never happened.
Have they ever done thngs according to their own agenda? Probably I would guess but it is at best just a guess, but that is human nature and if it did happen I didn't catch it so I don't know.

Have they done things I don't agree with? Yup, but who am I but a member here and I was probably on a rant anyway or arguing something like politics or religion and that isn't allowed anyway.

Do they stop or lock threads? Yup and this is the thing I have the biggest problem with but don't quiet understand how it works anyway, so oh well.

Do they go off about newbies asking the same questions over and over? Yup, but so do I and this is a fault I have but really don't care if a question is ask once or a thousand times over, I'll still answer. heck we all go off on here about things, from guns to knives, to plants and animals, from packs to shelters and cooking to water so in the end the moderators we have do a good job of keeping things on track and stopping political, religious, and hateful remarks but they will never be able to make everyone happy. some want them to leave threads alone, some want them to intervien, I personally don't care as its the internet and I don't take things too personal towards me.

Do they abuse their power? I don't know because I don't know what power they have other than locking threads or booting someone, as far as I know they have never pushed their own personal agenda on anyone, they have gotten into rants like the rest on here and I like that because they are a part this forum as users just like us and it shows they are people just like us, and they have booted only those who have need booting as far as I know.
Beo,

[Catfish]

Having been a moderator on a web forum, I can tell you it's a thankless task. If you let a thread run free, you're accused of not doing your job. If you take action, you're accused of censorship. And there's the endless charges of playing favorites or showing political bias.

Because it's rarely appropriate to publicly reprimand those who step over the line, everyone else assumes the moderators aren't speaking to them at all and therefore it's OK for them to step over the line. And no matter how clearly the forum rules are spelled out, there are always a few who invest energy in seeing how far they can push them. The worst offendors are also invariably the ones who complain the loudest about what other posters are "getting away with". They believe the other guy should be reined in, while their own (often far worse) posts should remain untouched.

Forum Moderators are truly in a no-win situation. The reason why they're selected to become moderators is because they've been active on the forum for some time and have proven themselves to be level headed and knowledgeable. Forbid moderators to post, or express their opinions and you've lost a big part of what makes the site attractive in the first place.

I'm often disappointed to see some of the posts which are allowed to stand here. But other times I'm pleased to see offending posts handled promptly and efficiently. The moderators are human, and therefore make judgement calls which may not match mine. But I also know, there's a lot going on behind the scenes to which I'm not privy.

On the whole, I'd say we have a pretty good team in place here, and I'm grateful for what they do.

[Beo]

If you all would just listen to me and do as I say.... everything would be great!!!:D

[trax]

If you all would just listen to me and do as I say.... everything would be great!!!:D

That is wayyyy too scary, LOL. When I've had a problem with the moderators, I've pm'd them and they've responded, explained their rationale and we were ok again. For the most part, I'm quite happy with the moderators here and I appreciate the extra work they do and all the work that Chris does (ok, that's my butt-kissing for the day LOL) No really, they're doing ok.

[Sarge47]

Hopeak, it's like this. In the case of the latest member that was recently banned, which I'm sure is why you have posted like you did, SR had come really close to getting banned twice before; however he was allowed to stay, even though, save for a few exceptions, the majority of his posts were to spread & defend his "racist" views...which speaks nothing about Wilderness Survival. His last attempt to agitate a situation which had already been taken care of was "none of his buisness", & I basically told him so. Then when he did what he did & asked me to ban him I did! Sorry if you disagree, but from all the PM's I got this morning, there seems to be many more that think I did the right thing. I don't want to ban anybody, it's an extreme sanction I only use in extreme situations & done only after several warnings are giving out 1st. Usually the ADULTS on this site have the maturity to follow the rules. And yes, we have rules.

BEO: The reason your thread on the Confederate Flag was locked down was because SR was getting way out of line & it was either that or ban him, which we tried to avoid. However, that particular instance, coupled with the problem previously with the offensive line under his name that he changed and his last outburst, which was BS, BTW, finally got him banned. I'd like to also point out that with all the PERSONAL problems I've had in the past with people like Vol West/Remy, I never banned them, though I was sorely tempted to. I recognized that the problem was PERSONAL & let it alone!

Finally, I see nothing wrong about stepping in when a young person gets his "panties in a bunch" & calls every one on here a bunch of "d**ks. He/she needs to be somewhat respectful & I feel that's a responsibility I don't mind taking on. The young man in question has changed his ways & has apologized to the group as a result. Also, since the young person in question had never posted an "intro" I did not know his age until I read it in another post elsewhere. Finally, you can't tell if a person is "yelling" or not from an e-mail.

Hope this helps.:cool:

[Ole WV Coot]

Direct "personal attacks" should be cut off, disagree and some folks make it personal. I know it's just an idiot on a computer but it still gets my back up and anything personal directed to me, my heritage, religion, union membership, NRA and a few others will get answered back. Got banned from a martial arts forum because I disagreed with the "strip mall master of whatever" over a move that I thought would get a greenhorn hurt. I don't impress easily, belts, styles, levels don't mean anything to me. I made the mistake of asking him if he had ever been in combat, killed a human with a blade or hands, if he was ever so scared he wet his pants. Got me banned quick, like the old saying I've been kicked out of better bars. I learn from even stupid people. And I guess I can always find another bar.

[trax]

ahhh...once again words from the jedi master "and I guess I can always find another bar"...thanks Pop, so often those words have meant so much to me in life...How does he keep doing it?

[Beo]

Sarge I didn't mean the flag thread, had no problem with that and even said it was a good idea. I have had no problem with anything you moderators have done.
Just to make sure you, Rick, and Chris know that. I support all 3 of you and hope my post (#2 didn't bother you as I meant it in support) and personally I am glad SR got banned and don't care who knows.
As far as Numpty's.... well there will always be numpty's and newbies and all I can do is try to help them if they ask a question, might make fun of them a bit, but I'll do what I can which ain't much anyway. Now can we get off the topics of banning, locking posts, talking crap and chat about wilderness things paaaaaaaaaaaalease.
Beo,

[trax]

wow, beo, you kiss butt better than I do :D :D

[Beo]

Got a big pucker factor from years in a political police department, now you need me to come up there shmooze the boss for a bigger budget or raise:D:D

[crashdive123]

What role should Moderators play in a forum....? Maybe none, they stay hidden unless things get out of control, then step in, and take action.

Or do they lead the discussion in the direction that suites their agenda, through bully tactics, intimidation, ridicule, etc.

There are rules for moderators in a debate, they do not lead, they do not actively engage in the debate, they control the time allowed for response, and ask questions, etc.

Should forum moderators steer the discussion the direction they think it should go, or stay out of the discussion for the most part.....?

I think that the mods are doing fine. I prefer them to be active members of the forum rather than somebody that stays hidden and steps in when needed. I haven't seen either of the mods lead a discussion to suite their agenda, other than to steer away from political / religious discussions or personal attacks. For the extra work that they do (we probably don't see the half of it) Just keeping the spammers off the site probably takes up quite a bit of their time. I'd like to say thanks.

[nell67]

Absolutely crash,many thanks to Sarge,Rick and Chris.

[Rick]

Take a moment and read Catfish's write up. He's right on the mark with everything he said. There is quite a bit that goes on behind the scenes. Even times that Chris, Sarge and I do sort of a PM "conference call" because someone has gone over to the dark side or just bounce ideas off each other or request input on how to deal with an individual or situation just so our own "agenda" doesn't get hung out there unintentionally.

I've seen situations when someone would PM me and say "that thread needs to be closed" and someone else PM me because I shouldn't have closed it. You simply can't win because you can't make everyone happy. Frankly, I don't even try. I give a situation my best judgment call and go with it.

I'm always reluctant to ban someone and there are usually multiple PMs behind the scene to that individual with warnings or requests. Perhaps some have been given too much rope but I try to give them every opportunity.

I don't think I've bullied anyone and I certainly haven't consciously ridiculed anyone. Nor have I tried to lead the discussion in a given direction. Your opinion may well be different on those issues but that's the way I see life. If I'm wrong about that then let me know.

We don't get paid for this "job" so we don't have anything to gain. If anyone thinks I'm doing a bad job they can bring the issue to me or take the issue to Chris. It won't hurt my feelings one way or the other. There are some I'll never please and some I'll never upset. Hey, it's sort of like life ain't it?

[trax]

Got a big pucker factor from years in a political police department, now you need me to come up there shmooze the boss for a bigger budget or raise:D:D

Won't work, I'm the boss now.:confused:

[nell67]

Awww let him come up there and shmooze for a while,LMAO!!!!!!!!

[Sourdough]

[QUOTE=Sarge47;67564]Hopeak, it's like this. In the case of the latest member that was recently banned, which I'm sure is why you have posted like you did, SR had come really close to getting banned twice before; however he was allowed to stay, even though, save for a few exceptions, the majority of his posts were to spread & defend his "racist" views...which speaks nothing about Wilderness Survival. His last attempt to agitate a situation which had already been taken care of was "none of his business", & I basically told him so. Then when he did what he did & asked me to ban him I did! Sorry if you disagree, but from all the PM's I got this morning, there seems to be many more that think I did the right thing.

Sarge, I think he should have been gone long ago. This question was born out of a spat over cartridge pressure vs. energy, not SR.

I did not know moderators were unpaid.

[Sarge47]

Sorry Hopeak, my bad, I mis-understood.:o

[klkak]

We have the best moderators in the entire World......wide web.

[Rick]

We are paid in your good kindness and fellowship and the satisfaction of having done the world enormous good.:D

[Riverrat]

I am on a couple of other sites, or should say I was, this is the only one now as it usually does break down into on-line fights. You can argue a point, which is great, but the moderators keep it pretty civil.......To me this is important....thanks.

[Rick]

None of us wear a bull's eye.....or shouldn't. The only time one gets hung is if you put it on yourself by engaging in word jousting. An argument requires 2 people.....usually.

[crashdive123]

Unfortunately, disagreements are often taken personally. I suppose that this is no different in cyber life than it is in real life. Imagine what a boring world it would be if everybody agreed all of the time. (that is of course unless they agreed with me:D:D:D)

[Beo]

On this forum the Moderators are a part of us, apart of who we are as the Wolf Pack, so I for one think they do an outstanding job. I have several other forums that I go to and I'm a lurker on some for several reasons, 1. If you say one lil thing out of line or they disagree and you argue your point they boot you. 2. or there are people arguing on and on cussing and just ripping into each other and they do nothing.
Here we have a good medium of everything so I am here most of the time, I can find everything I need on this one site, gun help & info, knife help & info, wilderness help & info, how-to info, and we have doctors, lawyers, cops, businessmen, teens, retired people, vets, homemakers, vets for animals, off the griders, hunters, trappers, fishermen, gardeners, and cover the world with our information that we learn from and teach to each other. So with all these people on here from around the world I say our Moderators, Rick-Sarge-and the big guy Chris (who keeps on coming up with stuff to keep us entertained, updating the forum, and has a real wealth of wisdom when he speaks) do a great job.

[Rick]

Check is in the mail, Beo.;)

[Sourdough]

Thank you, Rick and Sarge for the work you do on the forum, I did not understand how the moderator position worked.

[Rick]

No blood, no foul, Hopeak.

[Ameriborn]

I didn't read through all of the posts very good, however I prefer that they are part of the conversation because they add information as well as their knowledge to the post.

By the way, can you unban someone after you ban them? I know on some forums you can, can you here?

[Sarge47]

I didn't read through all of the posts very good, however I prefer that they are part of the conversation because they add information as well as their knowledge to the post.

By the way, can you unban someone after you ban them? I know on some forums you can, can you here?
Yes, but it's not done very often. Usually it's a "last-ditch drastic measure" used with much reluctance & if it had to come to that then the person in question is usually not going to be allowed back on. However Chris is the only one that can "un-ban someone. In the case of "TheFreakinNumpty" I was only sorry I wasn't home sooner, then he wouldn't of had so much fun.

Chris also has a feature that only he can access called "Global Ignore". He puts you on that & only you can see your posts, no one else can see anything about you. He did that to one of our members awhile back rather than just ban the guy outright. It's considered not as harsh as outright banning someone.:cool:

[Sourdough]

Now I understand, It suddenly all make sense, I have been on "Global Ignore" my whole life. Even the "UGLY" women, ignore me, I wonder if Rodney Dangerfield was our milkman........:eek:

[trax]

Now I understand, It suddenly all make sense, I have been on "Global Ignore" my whole life. Even the "UGLY" women, ignore me, I wonder if Rodney Dangerfield was our milkman........:eek:

You guys hear somethin'? Nah, must have just been the wind :D

[Gray Wolf]

On this forum the Moderators are a part of us, apart of who we are as the Wolf Pack

Yup, whAT Beo said. :D

[bulrush]

On this forum the Moderators are a part of us, apart of who we are as the Wolf Pack

Yup, we as a site, are all one crazy, patchwork personality. A real piece of work. :)

Anyway, I recently started my own forum to manage a family issue (involves multiple households spread over multiple states), and as the owner and admin, I have not had to do any banning yet. I try to be positive and tell people how to do something properly, rather than say "don't do this." Most mistakes are from people not understanding how a forum works.

Thanks to the admins for their work and for volunteering to be an admin.

[Proud American]

:DGlobal Ignore (evil snicker) I like the sound of that.:D. O....wait that could be me some day(innocent whistle) I wasn't thinking of joining under a false identity and causing problems:rolleyes:

But, back on subject I think we have realy good moderators to. And I like the fact that our moderators add to the descussion it makes our forum better.

[Proud American]

O btw why is this thread in the survival section.

[crashdive123]

O btw why is this thread in the survival section.

General Survival - consider it how to survive on a forum.:D

[Sarge47]

We had a member who keeps coming back after awhile, but likes to take down his posts in the interm. He couldn't remove these because I locked the thread down, however, in this thread Chris explains the "Global Ignore" feature & why he chose to use it at that particular time. Also, Rick wasn't even a member then, I don't think.:cool:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=993

[Ameriborn]

Chris also has a feature that only he can access called "Global Ignore". He puts you on that & only you can see your posts, no one else can see anything about you. He did that to one of our members awhile back rather than just ban the guy outright. It's considered not as harsh as outright banning someone.:cool:

I knew there was something like that. When I was reading thru the Survival kit and Knife forums and such there were posts by Volwest, but only in quotes where they being shown.

Thanks for the info.

[Beo]

Global Ignore... hmmm I need that for the entire city of cincinnati and Hamilton County.
And wat up Remy? My brother from another mother. How ya doing bro.

[fitfisherman]

too bad theres not a global ignore for screaming babies in the middle of the night. :)

[crashdive123]

too bad theres not a global ignore for screaming babies in the middle of the night. :)

Of course there is. It's called "Honey, YOUR baby is crying."

[warman87]

i like that vw he is interesting

[Army Ranger Rick]

Ok, gotta tell ya all, for quite a few years I've been recon'ing, snooping, pooping and checking out a lot of outdoor survival sites and forums. And the only ones that I register on with my nickname (Army Ranger Rick) are those in which the moderators seem to have control of the forum.

And I don't mean in the way that they can do whatever they please, but instead they take control of a forum situation when either things seem to be getting out of hand (conversation wise), when someone is being a royal @ss-O and or a bully and beating up on another forum member.

The bottom line and to cut right to the chase, I like the way the forum moderators control the forum here. And if you disagree with what they say and post, like someone here mentioned before, you can send them a PM to discuss it.

I disagreed with what one of the forum moderators here said here last month (or was it this month) in regards to one of my posts. And so I sent the moderator a PM telling him I disagreed in what he posted (about me) and the next thing I know he removed his posting. That's what I call being fair.

So far I have only been kicked off only one forum just because of some comments I made about a product. I won't mentioned the name of the forum or the name of the product here, you can read about it on my site.

But after the website/forum owner & moderator both contacted me to ask me to withdraw my posting/comments about the product I talked about and to apologize to all the forum members too... I "regrettably" complied with their request but then they still booted me off the forum. And what pissed me off is that they didn't tell me they were still going to boot me off and ban me, they did it behind my back.

I only found out that they booted me off and banned me when I tried to log back onto the forum several month later. When I tried to log on a pop up notice on my computer screen said I was permanently banned for "abusive comments about another forum member."

What the hell???? I didn't say anything about another forum member, I just made some comments about a product and the company who makes it.

Well I tried contacting the website owner and the moderators to find out what is the real reason why I am being banned. But they would never reply back to me, in fact they put a block on my email address too.

If you are going to boot and ban somebody from a forum, at least give them a couple of warnings first before doing so. Or at least tell them the real reason as to why they are being banned and booted off. Don't just close and slam the door on someone without an explanation.

By the way, I mention and talk about this incident on my website under my "zips & sparks" page.

Well I later found out why I must have been booted and banned from that forum. Because the product that talked about on that forum, and a well known product too. I found out the developer of that product is a registered forum member, which I didn't know at the time of my comments and posting. Which one can only assume he didn't like what I posted, contacted the website owner and moderators and asked them to do something about what I said or rather posted. And so they did, the website owner and moderator booted me off the forum with no follow up explanation.

There's more to this story as some of you may already know (or will see) but....The point I am trying make here is some forum moderators chose to run their forum "dictatorship" or "mafia" style. Not here! And so that's why I keep coming back every so often and most of you do too, all because the moderators who run and control the forum. Right?

Anyway, I was just getting ready to go to bed and thought I'd stop by for a few minutes and see what ya all were chatting about and thought I'd throw in my 1 Euro worth of comments.

Nite all!

[Beo]

Well said ARR. And what happened on that other forum was bs.

[Sarge47]

Like Beo said ARR, hang with the Wolves baby! We treat you right. (Aside to Rick) "I thought we banned this guy!:rolleyes::D:eek::cool:

On the serious side, thank you for placing your web-site with your signature, I'm going to check it out right now!:cool:

[Sarge47]

BTW, beware a Survival Forum site titled "The Omega man" & it's owner: Ryan Gillespie...aka "TheFreakinBear". He likes to hijack Survival info from other forums.:cool:

[Rick]

I've dropped folks without warning before but only if they are really blatant with spam or have obviously come on to cause wanton havoc and destruction. Otherwise, I'll talk to them behind the scene (PM). I try to identify the infraction, define the expectation, and let them know what the consequences will be. Not every PM but most.

[Sarge47]

I visited "Army Ranger Rick's" web-site & I gotta tell ya, our brother Wolf is gettin' crap from people alright. Some clown wanted to sue him over his "cut-down Bic lighter". Sheesh! However I wonder if the Ranger knows that I originally invented the "Survival" necklace back in the 60's! That's right, of course it was more of a "Hippie" type. It was made up of love beads with a peace sign hangin' from it, a condom, (it was used, but still had a couple of more uses in it.:rolleyes:) A roach clip, a small American flag to protect me from mean Red-Necks, & even a Twinkie for when I got the "munchies". Don't think I'll sue though...Those Rangers are a tough lot!:eek::D

And BTW Ranger, you might want to think about what you're getting into here...one Mod calls himself Sarge and has never been in the service & the other Mod likes to dress up in a full size Twinkie suit.....

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