View Full Version : Speaking of Shotguns...
smokelessfire
08-07-2008, 01:53 PM
here's a question, if someone fires a shotgun up into the air, say at a skeet target, and you are standing at the far end of the pellets' range, and they arc down and hit you, will it do much damage? this happened to me, but they all missed me, they rained down all around me, and some hit the dirt less than a foot from my feet. there were 4 blasts fired, and all missed me.how much danger was i in?
RangerXanatos
08-07-2008, 01:58 PM
I wouldn't think much because of their small size (pellets) and they can only reach a certain terminal velocity. Unless you were looking up, then you might would have endangered your eyes.
Ole WV Coot
08-07-2008, 02:13 PM
No danger, just like a drop of rain. Skeet shot is so small and low powered it's worn out by the time it falls. Now in WV we prefer a Redhawk for skeet. Those might smart.
crashdive123
08-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Come on Smokeless, you can tell us. You shot is straight up in the air didn't you?;)
I've been out duck hunting and been peppered by other shooters. They can smart if you are close enough but at the range you are talking about most kinetic energy has been absorbed through wind resistance and gravity. You would be more likely to have an eye injury from it that anything.
sh4d0wm4573ri7
08-07-2008, 04:46 PM
You werent in much danger even with #4 shot or higher its effective range is 40-50 yds beyond that they lose velocity rather quickly been rained on by bird shot a few times was nothing of course as I say I was bout 60 yds away also
sobeit
08-07-2008, 06:40 PM
I don't know about bird shot but rock salt hurts.
Rock salt and cut soybeans.
RangerXanatos
08-07-2008, 07:57 PM
Haven't seen either one of those shot out of a shotgun, but I have seen regular table salt shot out. I don't know if it happens everytime, but when my bro did it, a giant fireball was shot out.
The table salt probably ignited. Even rock dust will explode if the mixture is correct.
RangerXanatos
08-07-2008, 08:03 PM
That's what I figured, but I would've thought that the salt would have to have been even finer that it was for it to ignite. Needless to say, he didn't do it again.
sobeit
08-07-2008, 09:44 PM
Rock salt may not explode but is does burn when it hits you and for some time after that too.
dilligaf2u2
08-08-2008, 02:48 AM
I have a mark on my back side from rock salt. It is still there after 40 years.
Skeet? Is that like Snipe hunting? How would you skin and cook a skeet?
Don
Carefully, Don. Very carefully.
smokelessfire
08-08-2008, 10:04 AM
ok thanx, and LOL crash, no i didn't shoot straight up, used to practice cathcing arrows that way, though, to improve the ole hand eye coordination. no this incident happened when i was walking a path to a fishin hole, one which bordered a rod and gun club, and they were skeet shooting(i suppose they were, i couldn't see them thru the trees, just heard the shots then the sound of rain on leaves). i just turned around and went home, called DEP(dept. of enviro protection). they are working on it lol. lots of little fisherkids go there, so i had to.
"To practicing catching arrows"? I don't think "practice" and "catching arrows" should be used in the same sentence. In fact, I'm not sure "catching arrows" should ever be used in a sentence.
Did you ever miss? That had to hurt!
crashdive123
08-08-2008, 12:45 PM
Smokeless - juggle - it's safer.:D
You're telling me you shot a bow (what kind) into the air and tried to catch the arrow. I know you would not do that with my PSE compound, no way you'd catch it and it never comes down in the driect path it took, an arrow will come down a dozen or so feet further if that close, but the velocity wil disapate on the return, but its still fast. If you did this (not smart) what types of points did you use. Field point or blunt tip, or I know not broadheads.
crashdive123
08-08-2008, 01:01 PM
Beo - it looked like this.
http://www.toyscamp.com/catalog/SG6406152.jpg
Sorry Smokeless - couldn't resist.
lol... thats funny Crash, probably true though.
Hey, that thing could still raise a bump!
smokelessfire
08-11-2008, 09:30 AM
i was 13 or so and it was just some dumb ole 25 pound splintery fiberglass bow with those target arrows. i'd say the arrows got up to about ahunnerd yards or so, and i had to do a lot of running around since they didn't always come straight down. that stuff was easy. now darts on the other hand...ok my buddy and i stood at opposite ends of the yard, each holding a broomstick(without the brush part), then through darts at each other, and you had to stop the dart by making it stick into the broom handle. only once did someone(he) get punctured, and that was just in the foot.(i threw a high-arcing lob, and he followed it right down to his foot and missed). oops! SHHH be QUIET! STOP YELLING MOMMY!!
wallew
08-15-2008, 02:44 PM
You were in NO danger.
And you called the Environmental Gestapo on the firing range? Shame on you. I'll bet that gun club has been there for a LONG time.
Now, if you want a good 'man stopping' round and you reload your own shotty shells, try dimes.
Yeah, good old USA dimes. Use newer ones that are made of a 'sandwiched material', as the pre-1964 dimes actually have silver in them. Unless you are hunting vampires? But a small handful of dimes - call it $1.50 to $2.00 worth, depending on the length of the shell - will do massive damage on almost any target. And they don't get nasty until they have left the barrel, assuming you did your reloading job correctly. So your shotgun barrel will not be harmed.
Gives a whole new meaning to "keep the change" Thanks for that wallew, now I don't need to lay awake at night worrying about what to do with all that spare change. I can just go shoot someone with it! That whole bleeding to death slowly from the shrapnel makes it particularly inviting.
wallew
08-15-2008, 02:54 PM
Yah, I've got some 'unusual' rounds I've developed.
Take any pistol round. Disassemble it (CAREFULLY). Drill the back of the bullet. Put it ONE DROP of liquid mercury (just in case some one comes back with "what about solid mercury"), then seal the end with a two stage epoxy.
Gives a whole new meaning to dying of mercury poisoning. And that person didn't even have to eat fish!!
The majority of my ammo if FMJ. Mainly military surplus. But that's only because I purchase used military weapons. So naturally I NEED military surplus ammo to fire them with.
That's MY theory and I'm sticking with it.
uh huh....and what exactly are you needing to shoot there wallew?
marberry
08-15-2008, 04:14 PM
a friend of mine used pennies (same size as american dimes) in his 10 gauge , kicked worse then buckshot and inaccurate after 15 yards but if you wana blow something to pieces then why not. if you want some more extreme poison bullets drill wadcutters and put hydrogen cyanide (made with potassium cyanide) in the hole , epoxy works but i usually use liquid glass cement. thats a liquid one which is more dangerous but cyanide is one of the less powerfull poisons if you want something real dangerous buy a castor bean plant and grind up the beans / leaves and concentrate it youv got near pure Ricin which is one of the worst poisons out there. i alway wondered if you took a piece of spring steel in a lathe and turn it into a boat tailed .22 diameter bullet then hand loaded it into .22 short rounds to use in a ruger 10/22 would it be powerfull enough to go through a Class II or 2A vest....
If this stuff is so lethal how come you guys aren't dead? Just curious because...arrgggghhhhhhhh.
wallew
08-16-2008, 12:39 AM
Trax,
Why Mutant Ninja Zombies, of course.
Rick,
Cause we don't shoot ourselves with the rounds. We shoot targets. After all, we are only TESTING this stuff.
I would NEVER use it on another person. ;)
Ah, but you do handle it.
http://www.jacksofscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mad_scientist.gif
Ole WV Coot
08-16-2008, 10:33 AM
Sounds like somebody has been reading too many Paladin "How to" books. Sure, I can load a better man stopper but I don't give a rat's a$$ why you shoot somebody your gun and ammo will be checked. Sometimes the ME may even check if you killed him or he dropped dead from a sudden heart attack. You never should use handloads for self defense. Decent stopping ammo available for any centerfire and I have them in my 380, 38, 357,40, 45 & 44mag all factory ammo. I practice with handloads or cheap ammo. I don't bother to "practice" with a shotgun or rifle just shoot them enough to blow the dust out of the barrel. The words that should come out of your mouth to the LEO is "I feared for my life (wife, kids etc). I fired in his direction." You don't say I lined up and shot him between the eyes." You may have but the world don't need to know, and a slim chance he died of something else, but you say he was warned and given the chance to beat feet and you had no choice. Even a little tear might help. If you never pulled down on a man before after the "rush" you will know. If you have killed a human before I don't need to tell you anything, just a little friendly advice, nothing personal you can load and use whatever flips your switch.
wallew
08-16-2008, 04:40 PM
AH, Grasshopper,
You are assuming that 911 will be called.
And during any SHTF, chances are pretty good that won't even be possible, because the police will be minding their own families safety. Plus even IF the phones and power are working, chances are pretty good that there will be long delays in the police responding to anything.
It's the old rule of S3.
Ole WV Coot
08-16-2008, 05:47 PM
AH, Grasshopper,
You are assuming that 911 will be called.
And during any SHTF, chances are pretty good that won't even be possible, because the police will be minding their own families safety. Plus even IF the phones and power are working, chances are pretty good that there will be long delays in the police responding to anything.
It's the old rule of S3.
OK, I defer to your experience with firearms. I will still stick with factory loads, I probably would damage the barrel of a decent shotgun by sticking coins in the barrel and shooting again. Blowing up a revolver cylinder in a semi-auto I would probably underload and jam or overload and have the case stick in the barrel. I don't think I have the experience for exotic ammo.
I've shot a load of money before but never through a barrel.
wallew
08-16-2008, 07:37 PM
OWVC,
There are few things I know well. I have a degree in computers (circa 1981), then 16+ years in the field. Then got burned out and earned a second degree in gunsmithing (circa 1998). There's one load I developed more than ten years ago. It's now in use by cops. It's their 'door breach' round. It's small metal flakes in a shell. You get all the 'bang' because this round is used at very close range. But because there are no large pieces, the energy is disappated quickly and does not endanger either the officers on the outside or the perps on the insidebut it does make a mess of a door at less than three feet. I've still got several large containers of metal flakes for reloads. Almost ANY machine shop has tons of scrap metal such as this. I got mine at gunsmithing school from the machine shop section.
Plus cars, my whole life. And motorcycles, again my whole life. Photography and journalism since high school (a long time ago). Paid and published.
I've slowly added things to my skill list.
Gardener. Canner. Cook. Emergency Medic. Philosopher. Janitor.
I'm not shy about jumping in and attempting to help anyone who needs help. Even if all I can do is hold a light while the experts do their thing. But I'm always willing to help.
Ole WV Coot
08-16-2008, 08:57 PM
OWVC,
There are few things I know well. I have a degree in computers (circa 1981), then 16+ years in the field. Then got burned out and earned a second degree in gunsmithing (circa 1998). There's one load I developed more than ten years ago. It's now in use by cops. It's their 'door breach' round. It's small metal flakes in a shell. You get all the 'bang' because this round is used at very close range. But because there are no large pieces, the energy is disappated quickly and does not endanger either the officers on the outside or the perps on the insidebut it does make a mess of a door at less than three feet. I've still got several large containers of metal flakes for reloads. Almost ANY machine shop has tons of scrap metal such as this. I got mine at gunsmithing school from the machine shop section.
Plus cars, my whole life. And motorcycles, again my whole life. Photography and journalism since high school (a long time ago). Paid and published.
I've slowly added things to my skill list.
Gardener. Canner. Cook. Emergency Medic. Philosopher. Janitor.
I'm not shy about jumping in and attempting to help anyone who needs help. Even if all I can do is hold a light while the experts do their thing. But I'm always willing to help.
You have a nice resume. Only one problem, I don't impress easily so don't try. Most folks on here don't even try. We pass information that answers a question or make a comment. If you don't like what I post skip it. You are a computer expert so I am sure you can scroll right on by mine. I have nothing to prove and if you do, well there's that old Bobby Bare song "THE WINNER" read the lyrics and learn.:rolleyes:
wallew
08-16-2008, 09:46 PM
You have a nice resume. Only one problem, I don't impress easily so don't try. Most folks on here don't even try. We pass information that answers a question or make a comment. If you don't like what I post skip it. You are a computer expert so I am sure you can scroll right on by mine. I have nothing to prove and if you do, well there's that old Bobby Bare song "THE WINNER" read the lyrics and learn.
OWVC,
That's not my resume. That's my life, at least one part of it. And I didn't list it to 'impress' anyone. THE ONLY PERSON I HAVE TO PROVE THINGS TO IS GOD. Not you or anyone else on earth.
I've found in my 55 years, there's always someone smarter, quicker, better looking, richer, etc than I am. And there's always someone less than I.
And yeah, being a computer whiz, I could even add you to my 'ignore' list. But why?
I was just responding to your post. That's all. You seemed to infer that I didn't know anything about firearms in an offhanded way. I was just trying to explain that was incorrect. Perhaps you should take your own advice. If you don't like what I say, SCROLL ON DOWN...
Perhaps you should go listen to 'Turn the Page' and 'Same Old Me' ...
I already know 'The Winner'. Can you say the same about my choices?
Ole WV Coot
08-16-2008, 10:35 PM
I am truly humbled by your presence here but I could care less, I read all posts I get a chance to read, still ain't impressed so best leave it there.
marberry
08-17-2008, 12:38 PM
two words to end your argument , crossbow and shovel.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that three words? If you were going for the count it would have been something like: crossbow; shovel. You didn't mention punctuation so I guess you can include as much of that as you want.:D
marberry
08-17-2008, 12:59 PM
bah , smart** you know what i mean
RobertRogers
08-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Lead would reach a certain terminal velocity as it falls to the ground. This speed is based on the density of the object, denser objects having less drag as they fall through the air will have a higher ultimate speed.
Lead, being very dense as compared to most objects, will likely fall faster than a human skidiver who maxes out at something like 200 kilometers per hour.
So a 12-gauge slug traveling faster than 200kph would likely hurt, if not do actual damage, IMHO. However small shot would be just too light to do anything but just bounce off.
sobeit
08-17-2008, 05:45 PM
How did this go form bird shot to 2x4 to the face.:confused:Now if you want a real man stoper do like I do and use live skunks. Just fill up a small jar of the smelly stuff reload it in to a shot gunshell and despence judicely:D:D:D:D:D:D
Well, all I can say is, "So be it"!
sobeit
08-17-2008, 06:10 PM
Well, all I can say is, "So be it"!
Thanks but can any one help me get this smell off me.:D:D
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