Would survival really be easy?

[Beo]

Just asking a question here, not trying to start a pizzing contest.
Do you all think a real SHTF scenario would be as easy as you think?
Be it the scenarios we talk on here, or others. I think it would be harder but not sure how. I do have a plan if it happens but do not have a BOB or stores of food.
What do you honestly think?

[ryaninmichigan]

I think it would be easy but how does anyone know? I guess if I die, I die.

[skunkkiller]

I don't thing it would be all that hard if you know what your doing what to eat make shether get water and fire .ect.

[Riverrat]

For me the only change would be less junk food....I am pretty well off here, lots of fish, aminals (deer, moose, bear, partridge, rabbit), and we heat out house with wood. We grow most of our own veggies, and pick lots of berries and apples localy. It would depend on how long a SHTF scenario last, what type it was and how close it was to home. For most, I would be able to stay home and still be ok.

[phennommennonn]

i dont think anything will be that easy even in all preparedness. this is bc we dont know what will happen or what we will be resolved to deal with. we will have to resort to instincts.

ive prepped myself here at home to the best of my ability. but if we have to 'bug out'...all the food ive stored cannot all go with us. need a backup plan.

[trax]

It's going to depend on where you are, the circumstances etc. It should be easier for those who are prepared/trained and I would think easier for those living farther away from major urban centers, but there's always the unknown.

[ryaninmichigan]

Why would it be hard? The most complicated things in your life would be gone. I don't get it. No bills, no money, no goverment. sign me up.

[Ole WV Coot]

I honestly don't know. Lots depends on why, and that will determine what options are open. Nuclear hit would put me underground, no shortage of safe places here. Anything else watch it on TV or hook the trailer on the 4X4 truck with the ATV and hit the hills if and a big if my "neighborhood" was breached.

[Sam Reeves]

Why would it be hard? The most complicated things in your life would be gone. I don't get it. No bills, no money, no goverment. sign me up.Well, in case of Hurricane Katrina the people were almost as bad as the storm.

[Beo]

So people losing everything is okay with you, matters not what their means of living or income is they don't deserve to loose everything, just that their poor or on asistance does not make them bad, lazy maybe but not bad people.

[phennommennonn]

Why would it be hard? The most complicated things in your life would be gone. I don't get it. No bills, no money, no goverment. sign me up.

for starters, not everyone is adept enough - being that theyve been under mind control influence/dumbed down via the pleasures of technology.

secondly not everyone has the financial resources to stock up for themselves and family.

thirdly regardless of being free of bills/money....have you taken note of the homeless? yes, they survive on the streets - but is it easy living in cardboard boxes? keeping warm? and retaining their possessions in shopping carts?

granted, their situation is different being that theyre still amidst society. but for those who have never had to resort to back woods survival could pose to be problematic - for the reasons i explained in my previous post - we dont know whats going to happen.

[Sam Reeves]

So people losing everything is okay with you, matters not what their means of living or income is they don't deserve to loose everything, just that their poor or on asistance does not make them bad, lazy maybe but not bad people.

Lazy people are good?

Besides, all I said was that after the aftermath of Katrina it was the people that were destructive.

[Beo]

No lazy people are not good, but that doesn't mean they should loose everything they have. On the katrina thing your part right (imho) in that there were scum bags looting and doing wrong but not everyone.

[Jay]

No matter how well you prepare...there's always something unexpected that turns up at the critical times. In my personal experience...things generally are a little harder than you anticipate them to be . (in a survival scenario) at first, fires dont light as well as they did in practice sessions, water is more difficult to find, animals avoid the most carefully set snares, the roof of the shelter leaks etc. After a couple of days you settledown (in your mind) and things start to work. I guess expectation levels drop a little... and that helps. Its all about your frame of mind! ( at least that's what I think.)

In my openion survival is a he** of a lot more difficult if you have to keep moving fast. No snares, no shooting game, no permanant shelter, above all no fire....I guess its more E&E...but it's still survival. Overall a lot tougher than setting up camp somewhere and making you knowledge and skills work for you.

Either way dont expect it to be a piece of cake. Nature has a way of making you work for your living.

[Riverrat]

To add to my first post, I think that, in most cases, the hardest part will be the mental aspect of it all. I have friends and family in most countries of this world, I would be wondering about them, how they are making out, if they are still alive, that type of thing. If it is a local scenario, that would be a differant set of worries as I have lots of family and friends in this area as well, and where I am a firefighter/paramedic, well, could be in the middle of most things. So to me the mental aspect would be the hardest. What do you all think?

[Sam Reeves]

No lazy people are not good, but that doesn't mean they should loose everything they have. On the katrina thing your part right (imho) in that there were scum bags looting and doing wrong but not everyone.

Of course not everybody was. But those that did made up for the ones that didn't. A lot of good folks had to flee their homes and surrender everything they owned to these lowlifes.

[Beo]

They fled their homes because they had too, coming back was harder than leaving because they were scattered far and wide. They didn't just give up and give their possessions to them. I served down there for three weeks (My Department sent ten of us)with the police (who had their own problems, and some even looted) and saw things I never thought I would see civilized American's do. But the good people far outnumbered the bad.

[Beo]

The problem is their still trying to recover, its getting better but its not like it was. Sad thing is we send forgien aid everywhere and still havent done all we could down there or in other places here at home.

[Sam]

The problem is their still trying to recover, its getting better but its not like it was. Sad thing is we send forgien aid everywhere and still havent done all we could down there or in other places here at home.

Hey Beowulf, I also wonder why we don't fix home up better before we take care of the neighbors. I mean if you see people who are not as well off as you, you do what you can. But not at the expense of your family's well being.

To do any different is counter intuitive. So why as a nation do we give away
everything to the neighbors, and wind up living on the street too?

I remember places where we set up aid clinics and food distribution for the people and they would spit on us if not try to kill us. I mean wtf?

Back to the question, I think back to the wall survival is never easy. If it were it would not be called survival.

[Beo]

Sam I got a friend in Spokane, he was one good Scout in the Amry,
and yes you are right. If it were easy it wouldn't be called survival.

[ryaninmichigan]

Well, in case of Hurricane Katrina the people were almost as bad as the storm.

I am not in a big city. So I could care less. The right answers to the OP are that everyone’s circumstances will change the way everyone lives or dies if it all falls down. I live in a small community, my cabin is in an area that it conducive to living off the land. So no I think I would be just fine.


So people losing everything is okay with you, matters not what their means of living or income is they don't deserve to loose everything, just that their poor or on asistance does not make them bad, lazy maybe but not bad people.


Yes people losing everything is ok for me. What are they losing? The things I listed I would not mind losing. No people don’t deserve to lose everything but we are all losing it.


for starters, not everyone is adept enough - being that theyve been under mind control influence/dumbed down via the pleasures of technology.

secondly not everyone has the financial resources to stock up for themselves and family.

thirdly regardless of being free of bills/money....have you taken note of the homeless? yes, they survive on the streets - but is it easy living in cardboard boxes? keeping warm? and retaining their possessions in shopping carts?

granted, their situation is different being that theyre still amidst society. but for those who have never had to resort to back woods survival could pose to be problematic - for the reasons i explained in my previous post - we dont know whats going to happen.

Again I am adept to backwoods living (I don’t call it surviving because I wont merely survive, I will live.). I do not live in the city. I have stock piled relatively nothing.

Everyone that means anything to me lives within 10 miles. I could careless about the homeless because I have no relationship with them. I am a compassionate person but in a time like that compassion is tight I will save it for the ones I love.

[Gray Wolf]

As usual, well said Jay.

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

Look back on the average lifespan of a mountain man no I don't believe it would be easy , Then again look at native american's take Geronimo for example 80+ yrs old and while surviving off the land (a very harsh land indeed) he eluded the United States army for quite some time on horseback . depends on alot of variables but easy ? No I don't believe so.

[Sarge47]

Here's something to think about; RiM thinks that when TSHTF it means the Governments gone...What if the Government IS the threat? Right now the man running for President of our nation on the Democratic ticket wants to take away our guns! That's not a political statement, just a fact. What if that happens? Hoe can we survive a tolitarian Government? Everybody seems to thin that when TSHTF that automaticlly means the Govt. is gone! Maybe not! Maybe they're the problem! Remember when Katrina hit the Govt. went around dis-arming citizens?!:eek::cool:

[Sarge47]

[QUOTE=ryaninmichigan;65119]I am not in a big city. So I could care less. The right answers to the OP are that everyone’s circumstances will change the way everyone lives or dies if it all falls down. I live in a small community, my cabin is in an area that it conducive to living off the land. So no I think I would be just fine. QUOTE]


RiM, that might make you a bigger target for someone elese; there are no guarantees my friend.:cool:

[Beo]

As long as I live in the United States, where the right is protected in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution I will keep my guns and buy more.
It may get ammended but it will not ne removed, you cannot remove anything from the constitution.
Or
They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.

[Gray Wolf]

(This is about laws)
About a month ago, the Supreme Court heard and ruled for the 1st time, yes for the first time, that citizens have the right to posses and keep guns. And that local and state governments can only put limited restrictions on them. Thus the local DC government has to redo their ban on firearms. I'll look for the ruling and post it. So no matter who becomes President, they can't take our right to gun ownership away (were not talking about felons, they have no rights).

Here's one, that may answer other questions to the Supreme's ruling.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20080627.html

[Sam Reeves]

They fled their homes because they had too, coming back was harder than leaving because they were scattered far and wide. They didn't just give up and give their possessions to them. I served down there for three weeks (My Department sent ten of us)with the police (who had their own problems, and some even looted) and saw things I never thought I would see civilized American's do. But the good people far outnumbered the bad.

In this case you probably are not familiar with what really happened. People fled their homes in some cases because their guns were taken away from them and they were left defenseless. Defenseless from what? :D

[Ole WV Coot]

Anyone besides me get caught in a big city like DC in the riots of the '60s? Well I was and I was only "bothered" twice. Both times after dark. This was when Dr. King was assassinated. I was on the street watching liquor stores, pawn shops and any other stores looted. If you're in the middle of it, which I was #1. you get scared #2. you get mad $3. you look anyone in the eye, don't stare just let them know you are aware of them and aren't challenging anyone. I wasn't bothered even if it was taken by the media as a racial riot, and I sure was a minority of one. Now to the other riot, same place different people. The group calling themselves Weathermen were going to shut the city down, so they thought. Back then most hoods didn't open from the inside, just the hood latch. They were locking arms, stopping traffic, popping hoods and pulling coil wires and 99.9% of these people were college students immune from the draft. Mom & Dad making sure their son stayed II-S safe at home. I had to "remove" a few of our future leaders from my path and drove past the Washington monument on the sidewalk. Of course the street was blocked with an officer doing what he was told (nothing). I just told him I was going South on I-95 and planned on not stopping. Our fine young men and women moved rather quickly after a few got "bumped". I had the street to myself from there to the bridge. Both were riots, I do feel for city folks as in New Orleans. I worked those "bad" areas folks wouldn't drive near. Hot in the summer, no AC, no place for a garden, illegals taking the few jobs. I myself would be angry to lose the little I had and no hope. That would bring out the "animal" in me. When you have lost everything you change. Survival in the cities is one battle after another. I don't pretend to understand the 'why' just the riots & marches of the privileged who wouldn't get drafted kinda sickens me. They are now our leaders and one I remember hearing speak in person ran for president. Survival in the country would only be an inconvenience to us and a disaster to city dwellers.

[Beo]

Didn't hear of or see that in three weeks I was down there, now I did arrest people fro running around armed and breaking into stores and homes. I even gave ammo to a store owner for his shotgun to protect it. But never saw a home owner or heard of a home owner having their guns taken. Then again I was there for only 3 weeks.

[RobertRogers]

In a real, long term (more than several months) SHTF situation most people are in serious trouble.

Simply put, food alone, or lack thereof is going to be a major problem. Most food comes from distant farms and must be trucked in. If farms are not producing or roads not functioning you can plan on going hungry in short order unless you are prepared.

And get the idea of living off the land out of your head. Unless you are already doing it there is no way your local acreage is going to support the hundreds or thousands of people per square mile where you are likely to be living. If you do have food, expect trouble from your unprepared neighbors who are going without.

So is a real SHTF going to be easy? Think tough times ahead.

[Beo]

It just seems sad to me when I hear people say: I don't care or it doesn't bother me when people lose everything, its just one more bit of evidence in the Me First society of America today. And its really sad. By losing everything I mean there homes, family, possessions and etc... sad really sad.

[Beo]

Good post RR.

[sobeit]

If it was easy I would be very afraid.

[Scoobywan]

I think there are a lot of good points to this post, #1 survival away from what you are accustomed to is not going to be easy (for a while anyway). #2 the post about the lifespan of a mountain man compared to the native americans I would think has to do a lot with the "community" aspect. (mountain men didn't have the tribe to take care of them) I would say the best preparedness would be to truely get to know your neighbors/community, who's going to try to take your stuff, and who might help you out if needed. Not knowing a Dr/Nurse lives right next door to you and you bleeding to death seems kinda silly to me. And as far as feeling bad about the people losing everything, I think for a lot of people in the US it would do them some good to stop and get a different perspective on life. I feel much worse for people who lose their life for a pocket watch, then the people that are crying because someone stole their stuff and left them living.

Just my 2 cents take it or leave it
Scoobywan

[ryaninmichigan]

[QUOTE=ryaninmichigan;65119]I am not in a big city. So I could care less. The right answers to the OP are that everyone’s circumstances will change the way everyone lives or dies if it all falls down. I live in a small community, my cabin is in an area that it conducive to living off the land. So no I think I would be just fine. QUOTE]


RiM, that might make you a bigger target for someone elese; there are no guarantees my friend.:cool:

Not really what I where I was headed. Geographically this area, Michigan has a lot of natural resources. Two things I am not worried about at all. Fresh water and food. A lot of people on here say water is the biggest priority, around here it is not. In fact it is not even on the list of things that are a priority. That’s why I say depending on where you live will depend a lot on how hard it is for you..

[Dennis K.]

Lazy people are good?



lazy is neither good nor bad, as neither goodness nor badness is essential to laziness

dennis (scoot over, buddha) k.

ps. i am too lazy to capitalize this post. does that make me bad? :D

[Sam Reeves]

Didn't hear of or see that in three weeks I was down there, now I did arrest people fro running around armed and breaking into stores and homes. I even gave ammo to a store owner for his shotgun to protect it. But never saw a home owner or heard of a home owner having their guns taken. Then again I was there for only 3 weeks.

Then maybe you should have paid more attention instead of taking long naps and eating doughnuts.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gun+taken%2Bkatrina&btnG=Google+Search

[trax]

Then maybe you should have paid more attention instead of taking long naps and eating doughnuts.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gun+taken%2Bkatrina&btnG=Google+Search

What were you doing down there, Mr. Reeves?

[Sam Reeves]

lazy is neither good nor bad, as neither goodness nor badness is essential to laziness

dennis (scoot over, buddha) k.Lazy is being unwilling to act and do good works. Lazy is also bad behavior since others will then need carry your load.


ps. i am too lazy to capitalize this post. does that make me bad? :DIt makes you really bad at the written word and the English language.

[Sam Reeves]

What were you doing down there, Mr. Reeves?

I belonged to a group that was assisting folks with protection, fresh water and Ramon noodles.

[nell67]

Lazy is being unwilling to act and do good works. Lazy is also bad behavior since others will then need carry your load.

It makes you really bad at the written word and the English language.

FYI,you're pretty bad at the written language yourself......:rolleyes:

[trax]

Well good for you Mr. Reeves, seriously. The reason I asked is because I just wanted to clarify what supervisory capacity you had in relation to Beowulf65's activities down there to make that particular judgement on him that you made. It makes as much sense to me now as your posts usually do, so thanks.

[Sam Reeves]

FYI,you're pretty bad at the written language yourself......:rolleyes:

Nasty grammar.

[Sam Reeves]

Well good for you Mr. Reeves, seriously. The reason I asked is because I just wanted to clarify what supervisory capacity you had in relation to Beowulf65's activities down there to make that particular judgement on him that you made. It makes as much sense to me now as your posts usually do, so thanks.

Good for you, hippy. I'm wondering how anybody can be there three weeks and not be aware that a gun grab was in progress.

[nell67]

Nasty grammar.

Why,because I used initials,and a contraction in the same sentence???:eek:

[crashdive123]

Then maybe you should have paid more attention instead of taking long naps and eating doughnuts.

Beo spends several posts sticking up for you and this is the thanks he gets?

[trax]

ohhhhh, he called me hippy. Oh my goodness gracious and what else? Oh yeah Commie, and...see I can't remember. It seems every time Mr. R responds to me, he wants to call me names. Why is that Mr. Reeves? Are you a frustrated man? Are you unhappy in your personal life? Maybe we can help, although our resident 'psychotherapist' checked out and took his bags with him.

[Sam Reeves]

Why,because I used initials,and a contraction in the same sentence???:eek:

Probably because you have a habit of putting spaces between things.

Maybe Why,because is one word now. Even a BIGGOT would know better.

Maybe I'm becoming a grammar Nazi now that I can't get out and run around with my brats.

[Sam Reeves]

Beo spends several posts sticking up for you and this is the thanks he gets?

Either Beo wasn't there, was asleep or was covering up what was going on.

[crashdive123]

Even a BIGGOT would know better.


If you're going to be a proud bigot, you may want to make sure you spell it right......since we're commenting on spelling and grammer.

[Sam Reeves]

ohhhhh, he called me hippy. Oh my goodness gracious and what else? Oh yeah Commie, and...see I can't remember. It seems every time Mr. R responds to me, he wants to call me names. Why is that Mr. Reeves? Are you a frustrated man? Are you unhappy in your personal life? Maybe we can help, although our resident 'psychotherapist' checked out and took his bags with him.When you harass folks they will probably call you names.

[crashdive123]

Either Beo wasn't there, was asleep or was covering up what was going on.

So now you're calling him a liar?

[nell67]

Probably because you have a habit of putting spaces between things.

Maybe Why,because is one word now. Even a BIGGOT would know better.

Maybe I'm becoming a grammar Nazi now that I can't get out and run around with my brats.

wellyouresomekindofnazibuticantsayitontheforum.

no spaces

[Sam]

ohhhhh, he called me hippy. Oh my goodness gracious and what else? Oh yeah Commie, and...see I can't remember. It seems every time Mr. R responds to me, he wants to call me names. Why is that Mr. Reeves? Are you a frustrated man? Are you unhappy in your personal life? Maybe we can help, although our resident 'psychotherapist' checked out and took his bags with him.

Now Trax, to paraphrase Bill Murry in Ground Hog Day. Don't post angry. hahaha
Maybe some people just need a beer and a hug, in general. I think we all face some frustration or stress every day, heck I had to take a nap to shake off the indignation of mowing the yard.;)

[Sam Reeves]

If you're going to be a proud bigot, you may want to make sure you spell it right......since we're commenting on spelling and grammer.

You're preaching to the choir.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=403&page=10

BTW, it's GRAMMAR, FYI. LOL

[Sam Reeves]

So now you're calling him a liar?

Remorselessly.

[trax]

Why Sam, I'm not posting angry, I just wonder why Mr. Reeves always seems so angry. Now, he's suggesting that I'm harassing him and all I did was ask him a couple of questions. I'm not sure why he decided to turn a personal attack on Beowulf, but he does seem to be a resident expert on everything that happened in New Orleans during in Hurricane Katrina. I wasn't there and I'm not going to pretend I know anything about it, but New Orleans must be a lot smaller area than I realized for one man to know so much about what happened that he can make the accusations he's making against a law officer who served there.

Once again, Mr. Reeves, you can call me names if you want, you know if it helps you deal with any weenie little issues you might have, but those who enforce the forum rules, they might have a problem with name calling.

[Sam]

Why Sam, I'm not posting angry, I just wonder why Mr. Reeves always seems so angry. Now, he's suggesting that I'm harassing him and all I did was ask him a couple of questions. I'm not sure why he decided to turn a personal attack on Beowulf, but he does seem to be a resident expert on everything that happened in New Orleans during in Hurricane Katrina. I wasn't there and I'm not going to pretend I know anything about it, but New Orleans must be a lot smaller area than I realized for one man to know so much about what happened that he can make the accusations he's making against a law officer who served there.

Once again, Mr. Reeves, you can call me names if you want, you know if it helps you deal with any weenie little issues you might have, but those who enforce the forum rules, they might have a problem with name calling.

I was just trying to lighten the mood of this post before it exploded. I don't know what is going on today, with Mr. Reeves but I hope this all clears up soon. I am getting ready for my trip to MI this Friday, so I guess I want every one to be as happy as me this week.

[Rick]

I guess it would depend on the what the problem was. I doubt anyone on here (myself included) would be prepared for a major calamity that deals with nuclear or biological components (accident or intended or even pandemic). We might like to think we are but we aren't. How can we be if we've never been able to practice our skills in that scenario?

Scale it down a bit and some people begin to cope. The less impacting the issue the more people there will be that can successfully ride out the storm. I've been through a couple of tornadoes that had near term consequences (2 weeks or more) and they were little more than inconveniences. No power, little food/water. Still, if you are prepared, you can cope with that.

Big stuff, no one is.

[Sam Reeves]

Why Sam, I'm not posting angry, I just wonder why Mr. Reeves always seems so angry. Now, he's suggesting that I'm harassing him and all I did was ask him a couple of questions. I'm not sure why he decided to turn a personal attack on Beowulf, but he does seem to be a resident expert on everything that happened in New Orleans during in Hurricane Katrina. I wasn't there and I'm not going to pretend I know anything about it, but New Orleans must be a lot smaller area than I realized for one man to know so much about what happened that he can make the accusations he's making against a law officer who served there.

Once again, Mr. Reeves, you can call me names if you want, you know if it helps you deal with any weenie little issues you might have, but those who enforce the forum rules, they might have a problem with name calling.

I'm not sure why you and your weenie need to make an issue of something that is nothing to you.

The cops were so incompetent at doing their jobs that they had to drag 300 Mexican troops into the grand event.

While Folks were getting raped and mugged the people who were supposed to correcting the situation was looking the other way and taking guns.

I'm not saying Beo was involved in this but if he was there he must have known something about the gun grab.

Anymore nosy questions?

[nell67]

I'm not saying Beo was involved in this but if he was there he must have known something about the gun grab.

Anymore nosy questions?[/quote]

You are assuming an awful lot with that statement.

[Sam Reeves]

You are assuming an awful lot with that statement.


New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III announced that all privately owned firearms would be seized. "No one will be able to be armed. Guns will be taken," Compass declared. "Only law enforcement [will be] allowed to have weapons."


http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0506r/index.html

I'm not sure how a member of law enforcement could have missed that.

[crashdive123]

Sam R. - I was aware of it when it happened, as it appears you were as well. I saw it on the never ending news coverage that I was watching. Not sure how you first heard of it. Think about this. Beo was there, involved in on the ground, law enforcement operations for the area in which he was assigned. I'm only guessing, but probably didn't watch a whole lot of news coverage while he was there - just a bit busy. Do you think it could be possible that he's not a news junkie, and didn't hear about it afterwards? Maybe he spends his free time out in the woods.

[Sam Reeves]

Sam R. - I was aware of it when it happened, as it appears you were as well. I saw it on the never ending news coverage that I was watching. Not sure how you first heard of it. Think about this. Beo was there, involved in on the ground, law enforcement operations for the area in which he was assigned. I'm only guessing, but probably didn't watch a whole lot of news coverage while he was there - just a bit busy. Do you think it could be possible that he's not a news junkie, and didn't hear about it afterwards? Maybe he spends his free time out in the woods.

So basically you're saying that just maybe he wasn't aware that there was a gun grab going on while he was out confiscating guns?

[crashdive123]

Not saying that at all Sam. If, as you've said, he's a liar then I guess there is no reasoning with you. I believe him.

[Sam Reeves]

Not saying that at all Sam. If, as you've said, he's a liar then I guess there is no reasoning with you. I believe him.

Only three things here make any sense to me.

He was asleep

He is coving for the rest of them or denying that it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

Or he wasn't even there.

[crashdive123]

It's clear you think Beo is a liar. I believe him - I've got no reason not to. All I'm suggesting that you consider is....In all of the chaos that was taking place, when the police superintendant issued the order to confiscate weapons, word went out to NOPD. I belive that not all law enforcement agencies recieved the word to do it, while some that did refused. Because of the intense, and often heroic efforts of many, they really didn't know what was happening outside their sphere of influence. Think back a while where another member posted that they didn't hear about the attacks of 9/11 for a couple of weeks (not sure the exact time they expressed).

[Rick]

Jeeez, Sam. Pretty confident about the possible options. Just wondering what it's like to live in that house of mirrors you built. Every face is smiling and shaking their head in agreement aren't they?

[Sam Reeves]

Jeeez, Sam. Pretty confident about the possible options. Just wondering what it's like to live in that house of mirrors you built. Every face is smiling and shaking their head in agreement aren't they?


It's clear you think Beo is a liar. I believe him - I've got no reason not to. All I'm suggesting that you consider is....In all of the chaos that was taking place, when the police superintendant issued the order to confiscate weapons, word went out to NOPD. I belive that not all law enforcement agencies recieved the word to do it, while some that did refused. Because of the intense, and often heroic efforts of many, they really didn't know what was happening outside their sphere of influence. Think back a while where another member posted that they didn't hear about the attacks of 9/11 for a couple of weeks (not sure the exact time they expressed).

Y'all believe what ever y'all want.

Either he wasn't doing his job, he was in on it or he wasn't even there.

Three weeks and clueless about what his orders where? :rolleyes:

[Rick]

Maybe he didn't receive those orders. Maybe it was only issued to a handful. Maybe he didn't participate. Maybe...maybe....maybe.

[crashdive123]

It's called chain of command. Assisting law enforcement agencies were given sectors to patrol and police, and they did. Heck, if you remember the chaos where many of the NOPD were no where to be found (don't remember the exact number, but think it was between 100 and 200). It's not like they had this wonderful communications systems working in the city. The groups that I've talked to that went to assist - they were pretty much on their own and just did their job.

[Sam Reeves]

Maybe he didn't receive those orders. Maybe it was only issued to a handful. Maybe he didn't participate. Maybe...maybe....maybe.
Okay. Whatever. Maybe he lost his radio, squad car and fellow officers.

[Sam Reeves]

It's called chain of command. Assisting law enforcement agencies were given sectors to patrol and police, and they did. Heck, if you remember the chaos where many of the NOPD were no where to be found (don't remember the exact number, but think it was between 100 and 200). It's not like they had this wonderful communications systems working in the city. The groups that I've talked to that went to assist - they were pretty much on their own and just did their job.

Sean Hannity fan?

[crashdive123]

Sean Hannity fan?

What the heck does that mean?

[Sam Reeves]

What the heck does that mean?

It's a Hannity style excuse for his pet Republicans. Never mind.

[nell67]

Sam,did you ever stop to think that just maybe those orders were given after Beo left there?? Or were no longer in effect when he did get there?

[Sam Reeves]

Sam,did you ever stop to think that just maybe those orders were given after Beo left there?? Or were no longer in effect when he did get there?

I find it extremely hard to believe that he has never even heard of them.

[nell67]

Really?? Have you figured out yet,that no one care what you believe?


Or is that having a hard time sinking in?

[Sam Reeves]

Really?? Have you figured out yet,that no one care(s) what you believe?


Or is that having a hard time sinking in?

Obviously. Note the sig under my username.

[crashdive123]

Obviously. Note the sig under my username.

Sam - The sig under your username should probably read "The truth is irrelevant to Sam Reeves"

[nell67]

Obviously. Note the sig under my username.

Should we go back through all your posts and point out all the errors you have made in spelling in your posts Sam?

[Sam Reeves]

Sam - The sig under your username should probably read "The truth is irrelevant to Sam Reeves"

Maybe the truth is irrelevant to Beo.

I reckon the big gun grab just slipped his mind or something.

[Sam Reeves]

Should we go back through all your posts and point out all the errors you have made in spelling in your posts Sam?

Sure. Be my guest. :p

[Beo]

Okay Sam (knows everything) Reeves,
My duty assignment was in New Orleans metropolitan area, specifically in Madisonville and over at the city of Mandeville, I was not in any big city never had to confiscate any weapons and never heard of any being taken in my area, that doesn't mean it did not happen and since it did as per your article then it was for a good reason (because you frig'n moron who rambles on with remnants of nonsense, they were breaking the law and looting, raping, and etc..). I didn't sit around and watch the news reports, I didn't listen to the radio, I was busy working 18 hour shifts in a Zodiac (thats a boat ya frig'n nugget headed Johnny Butterbutt) fiinding people, animals, and getting a few of their possessions, and maintaining security and safety. I did 3 weeks there and other than the local police department which is Madisonville PD located at 805 Main St. there were barely any law-enforcement around, the people were real nice. Of course we couldn't stay in the flooded out areas, we stayed in a cul-de-sak or dead end street on Dunleith Ln. Did alot of work in the 190 area which becomes Florida St, into Fontainebleau Park, and along the coast of Lake Pontchartrain and even over to Louisberg.
There were problems there at first which is why I said I gave some shotgun rounds to a store owner, but those were quickly curtailed. I don't know what rinky dink outfit you ran with doing the work you supposedly said you did, but I don't give a sh1t and you can kiss my azz.
Now I've explained all to you that I'm gonna explain so take your inbred azz back to the particalboard shack and cow pen you rolled out of Jethro.
I have tried being nice to your dim witted bigot'd and racial remarks, even had a few conversations with you that were... mmm... ok.
But I'm done with hobo boy.
Beo,

[nell67]

Well said Beo. People should not have to explain their service to a community that isn't even theirs,out of the goodness of their heart and kindness to their fellow man.

[crashdive123]

This is a great example of how prejudices and fear of something different will wrongly categorize a group. Sam R – your narrow view of the way things ought to be continue to falsely label people and groups in order to fit the mold that you desire them to be in. Why are you so afraid and angry?

[Beo]

By the way you moron (SR) we transported fresh water, food stores, clothing, and hygiene items and products into all those areas. Put up shelters and transported people to safe areas and escorted animal rescue and religious personal to and from the area, was given an award for the help we did but turned it down because I did for the people not for an award, citation, or to get noticed. Suk on that Jethro.
And ya know the kicker, if a tragedy hit your area, I'd volunteer without hesitation to help you and yours and others in the area out. But you... you make me wonder why you have so much anger and disbelief in you. And it really gets under my skin how much you belittle and down the people on here, as if you are better than them, and I wonder why you are still here.
Oh, and the city of Mandeville was named one of the Relocate America Top 100 Places to Live in 2008.

[Beo]

You know it kinda upsets me when some azz hat says these things about the good cops that are out there. I have been a Deputy for 17 years this month, don't call in sick and have over 2,000 hours of sick time and 108 hours of vaction time, have made well over 100 arrests, worked during the riots in Cincinnati on the front line, volunteered off and on duty when the tornado destroyed a big part of Blue Ash Ohio here, fixed more than dozen flat tires for roadside motorist, filled numerous empty gas tanks, saved two kids from swimming pool drownings, and pulled 1 lady from a car fire getting burned in the process, busted countless dope boys for selling drugs and arrested numerous crackheads. Been on the SRT, gotten numerous awards and citations by my Sheriff and the citizens here and some knucklehead wants to bad mouth the police that helped out in La, during a tragic hurricane. They were not incompotent they were there to help and did a dang fine job of it. SR get your facts straight.
I'm gonna go for now, be back in a while.

[Rick]

Okay. We can disagree without name calling from either side. We've pretty much ran this one into the ground and below. Closed!