Are you a wolf or a sheep?

[Beo]

We talk of the SHTF and the EOTWAWKI all the time on here, but are you a wolf or a sheep. I been thinking of this alot lately and you don't really wanna be wolf in the sense of what a Society Wolf really is. Here let me explain what i mean.
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident. This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million. Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the
pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
Then there are the wolves, and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy. Do you believe there are wolves out there who’ll feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial. Then there are sheepdogs, and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf. If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens?
What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the

[Beo]

universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed. Let me expand on this model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move
to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.
Just my thoughts.
Beo,

[buttercup]

excellent.

[trax]

Don't much care for your definitions to begin with, although your points are certainly well taken.

[Beo]

Trax,
You talking about the sheep, sheepdog, wolf thing?
By wolf (I know how you feel about this animal, yes it is misunderstood) I mean the people in society who prey on others, and the use of the wolf, sheep, and sheepdog is the easiest way to get this across. By wolf I mean the predatory humans in our societies, not the animal, which while being a predator and a remarkable animal is one of my favorite animals.

[RangerXanatos]

Great post Beo.


They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16.






One thing that really peeves me off, is how some people say that they HATE pigs (cops). I just look at them, and tell them, if that's how you feel, then don't bother calling them when trouble comes barging in your door. They often look at me dumbfounded like, "I can't believe you just said that..." Talk about hypocrites.

Daniel

[trax]

Yeah, I really like the way you describe the dog, but I'm thinking of poor old wolfie as most of the time just another critter out there trying to feed his family. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't believe there's an animal in nature that really matches the description of the evil you're referring to.

[Beo]

True, no animal does, but for people to understand what I meant I needed to use something they could relate to, wolf sheep and sheepdog does that and they can relate, it by no means means I feel the wolf is like that, I love wolves and its one of my favorite animals.

[Teotwawki]

I like your post!

I think there is a 4th type in the mix: Aware of wolves; appreciates the sheepdogs; disdainful of the sheep; is harmless unless provoked. That would be me.

Can't think of a good animal metaphor right off hand though.

Additionally, I think extremely hard times will bring more wolves out of the woods and into the pasture.

[Rick]

We never like the sheepdog 'til the wolf is at the nigh.......

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Rudyard Kipling's "Tommy"

[bulrush]

I think many people are very afraid of defending themselves because people hear in the media there is little or no more honor in the justice system. In Michigan there is a very limited and useless self-defense law.

The law states you may not hurt/shoot another person unless you are cornered and have tried and exhausted all avenues of escape. So it's virtually a "no self defense" law.

It doesn't matter who throws the first punch, if you throw a punch, you have violated the law and go to jail. Now the police officer's job is to arrest people who violate the law. So the officer has no say in whether he can let you go or not. He also has to follow the law, and arrest you.

It may be up to the prosecutor to charge you, but, technically, you did violate the law by defending yourself.

People might quote me the Michigan law about self-defense but the written law means nothing. The most important thing is how judges interpret the law. And they do not have to interpret the law based on how it's written. They have a lot of leeway because they cannot be prosecuted for the judgements they make. Sure you could file a complaint with the local Bar Association, but that won't get you out of jail.

So now, you go to jail for defending yourself, can you sue the police department for arresting you? Can you sue the prosecutor for charging you? I doubt it, they were trying to follow the laws on the books.

So there. My idea on why people don't defend themselves too much.

[Assassin Pilot]

sheeple! (pronounced "people" with "sheep" instead of "peap")

a lot of people are basically sheep, and follow the same schedule everyday. they wake up, have coffee, go to the office, come home, eat dinner, and go to bed. when something like a burglar comes into their path, they do not know what to do.

[Chicago Dan]

I wouldn’t consider myself a wolf, sheep or sheepdog by your definitions because at any given time I may be acting a different role as circumstances dictate. In general though I am not a wolf and overtly aggressive physically vs. other humans. But I do reserve to my and mine self defense regardless of legal technicalities.
Those who know the horrendous possibilities of inaction may sympathize.

[Beo]

Kill, take and destroy, to the utmost of your power all the enemies you meet in your march!
Scouts orders
Harmon's Smowshoe Company
1756-1780

[jrock24]

Lable me either way, but I will provide AND protect for my family.
I can be the sheep and follow the masses to a higher ground when there is a flood.
I can be the sheepdog and protect my family with my pistol when there is a threat.
I can be the wolf and take what is needed for me and my family to survive..

[owl_girl]

I have a lot of gratitude to those serving and protecting so long that is there true goal. But I’m also aware of the fact that sometimes the fox guards the hen house. Unfortunately this gives most cops a bad rap rather or not they individually deserve it and that’s not fair but at times it dos happen where power is misused and I think that is what makes people nervous is that power. For me trust has to be earned not just handed out blindly because someone is signed a guardian position. Some cops I have a lot of respect for and some others I don’t trust depending on what I've seen from them.

[crashdive123]

Nice post Beo. Without being too hard on real wolves, it's an analogy that most can understand.

[Stony]

a lot of hypothetical non-sense put out by the usual suspects.

[crashdive123]

Care to explain what you mean Stony?

[Sam Reeves]

I reckon I'd fall into a different category of sheepdog. The one that understands that understands that all nations were born in blood.

[Sam Reeves]

Yeah, I really like the way you describe the dog, but I'm thinking of poor old wolfie as most of the time just another critter out there trying to feed his family. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't believe there's an animal in nature that really matches the description of the evil you're referring to.Come to Atlanta and I'll show you about a million of them.

[crashdive123]

Come to Atlanta and I'll show you about a million of them.

Which animals would that be?

[Sam Reeves]

Which animals would that be?

http://atlanta.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

Inner city scumbags.

You already know what 95% of them look like.

Sheep are in denial...

[crashdive123]

http://atlanta.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

Inner city scumbags.

You already know what 95% of them look like.

Sheep are in denial...

No, I don't know what they look like. Why don't you enlighten me.

[Sam Reeves]

No, I don't know what they look like. Why don't you enlighten me.

Here ya go:

http://www.prisonerlife.com/search.cfm

[crashdive123]

Here ya go:

http://www.prisonerlife.com/search.cfm

So, you're a pen pal with inmates? How many?

[nell67]

Hmmm,seems like profiling to me,can't judge everyone by those that are in prison.

[Teotwawki]

http://gullyborg.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/23/wolfinsheepsclothing.jpg

My main computer is down - otherwise, I'd "photoshop" this bad boy into the city!

[Sam Reeves]

Hmmm,seems like profiling to me,can't judge everyone by those that are in prison.


It is profiling. Profiling is just an survival tactic. If they walk like a criminal, talk like a criminal, dress like a criminal and and have that cold look in there eye they are probably one of those poisonous berries y'all are always talking about. Or in this case WOLVES.

[nell67]

It is profiling. Profiling is just an survival tactic. If they walk like a criminal, talk like a criminal, dress like a criminal and and have that cold look in there eye they are probably one of those poisonous berries y'all are always talking about. Or in this case WOLVES.

Dude,if you are cruising the halls of the local justice system,then yea,sure they are all or nearly all,are gonna look like that,but you cannot say that positively about everyone you see or meet.

[crashdive123]

Maybe that's why he does the pen pal thing - to learn.

[FVR]

If it walks like a redneck
talks like a redneck
dress' like a redneck
and flies the rebel flag.

Must be a KKK member.

I could be wrong.LOL.


I do not judge others based on how they walk, talk, or dress.

[Sam Reeves]

Dude,if you are cruising the halls of the local justice system,then yea,sure they are all or nearly all,are gonna look like that,but you cannot say that positively about everyone you see or meet.

Well, the kids you see dressing and acting like that in Indiana or just imitation the real idiots in Atlanta or some other eyesore. These people don't make a living by working an honest job.

Hypothetical question. If Washington D.C. were to be hit with tactical nukes and the whole country fell into chaos where would you rather be: Downtown Atlanta or downtown Boston and explain why.

[Sam Reeves]

Maybe that's why he does the pen pal thing - to learn.

Why would I want to be a scumbag?

[Rick]

Did that Stony do another drive by posting? I had the coffee ready and everything. You'd think he could at least stop by long enough to say, "Hey."

[FVR]

Back to the original post.

Personification is just not my game.

I am a dog though.

Teufelshunde

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/FrankV/57gb.jpg

[crashdive123]

Did that Stony do another drive by posting? I had the coffee ready and everything. You'd think he could at least stop by long enough to say, "Hey."

Yeah he was here for awhile. Didn't answer any questions, but I guess that's to be expected.

[Rick]

I just heard a whoooosh and a mumble so I thought it was him.

[crashdive123]

Why would I want to be a scumbag?

You're the one that posted the link to a pen pal site with prison inmates. Just a fantasy of yours, or do you write often?

[Sam Reeves]

If it walks like a redneck
talks like a redneck
dress' like a redneck
and flies the rebel flag.

Must be a KKK member.

I could be wrong.LOL.He could be. But a Klansmen won't sell yer kids dope, rape your wife and shot you in the back for what's in your wallet.



I do not judge others based on how they walk, talk, or dress.


How a man carries himself is a reflection of who he really is. I've never seen it fell.

[Rick]

Ah, look. Another nibble. Watch your cork, Crash.

[nell67]

Well, the kids you see dressing and acting like that in Indiana or just imitation the real idiots in Atlanta or some other eyesore. These people don't make a living by working an honest job.

Hypothetical question. If Washington D.C. were to be hit with tactical nukes and the whole country fell into chaos where would you rather be: Downtown Atlanta or downtown Boston and explain why.

I would choose neither,I have been to Atlanta,never been to Boston,but it is a city,and I just don't care for the city life on a good day,nothing against the people,it's the noise,buildings,lack of wildlife and trees.Too sad for me to even think of living in a place like either of them,or the thousands like them,nuke attack or not.

[FVR]

No Sam, they will shoot me, shoot my wife and hang my kids.


A mans words show his inner soul.

You're not doing to well here.

[Rick]

Nuke? Oh, man. I thought it was a nude attack. Rats!

[nell67]

No Sam, they will shoot me, shoot my wife and hang my kids.


A mans words show his inner soul.

You're not doing to well here.

I think he would do better to stick to writing to his pen pals...

[Sam Reeves]

You're the one that posted the link to a pen pal site with prison inmates. Just a fantasy of yours, or do you write often?
Actually I was looking for a site that showed Parisian inmates. I wasn't aware that it was site enabling their next crime. If you are implying that I would associate with any of them you are sorely mistaken. I have already proven my point and all you can do resort to name calling. Congratulations. I never figured you were made of much. Hopefully one day they let you become a moderator of this forum and then your life will be complete. Sheep.

[crashdive123]

As far as being in Atlanta or Boston after an attack on DC, I'm with Nell (well OK, not really - easy there Trax). I don't live in either of those cities now, so I wouldn't move away from the area that I have chosen to live and prepare in.

I guess I'm wondering - if you feel that Atlanta is so bad, why do you stay? Or are you not in Atlanta?

[FVR]

Nell,

The city is not that bad. I kind of miss it really. Ventured into the Buford Farmers market today. I really like that part of town. Asian, Hispanic, Cuban, Med., Korean, it's like the world all on one road going from Gainesville to Atlanta.

The city is a nice place if you make it that way. Just like wilderness survival, there are the dangers. You can go through life living it, being cautious and enjoying it. Or you can do what many do, go through life scared.

You would do just fine. For awhile.

[crashdive123]

Actually I was looking for a site that showed Parisian inmates. I wasn't aware that it was site enabling their next crime. If you are implying that I would associate with any of them you are sorely mistaken. I have already proven my point and all you can do resort to name calling. Congratulations. I never figured you were made of much. Hopefully one day they let you become a moderator of this forum and then your life will be complete. Sheep.

Maybe you should take a look at the myriad of sites that you link to before you post them.

Where did I call you a name. I have made no personal attacks - merely questions based on your postings.

You have proven nothing.

My life is fairly complete now, but thank you for your concern. Not quite sure how to follow your logic, but thanks.

[Rick]

Well, my day is complete. Sam has insulted me. I may not sleep tonight pondering my fate. And yes, my life is complete. Want to see what wondrous powers a moderator has?

[Sam Reeves]

I would choose neither,I have been to Atlanta,never been to Boston,but it is a city,and I just don't care for the city life on a good day,nothing against the people,it's the noise,buildings,lack of wildlife and trees.Too sad for me to even think of living in a place like either of them,or the thousands like them,nuke attack or not.

You couldn't give me a straight answer could you?

There is a reason that the ratio of criminals are less in the sticks than they are in the city.

[Sam Reeves]

No Sam, they will shoot me, shoot my wife and hang my kids.You're probably right.



A mans words show his inner soul.I agree. Those that hate the truth call the truth hate.


You're not doing to well here.
I'll survive. :D

[Sam Reeves]

As far as being in Atlanta or Boston after an attack on DC, I'm with Nell (well OK, not really - easy there Trax). I don't live in either of those cities now, so I wouldn't move away from the area that I have chosen to live and prepare in. It was a hypothetical question like so many of the other hypothetical scenarios in this forum.


I guess I'm wondering - if you feel that Atlanta is so bad, why do you stay? Or are you not in Atlanta?I live in Dawsonville, Ga. Not too far from FVR. I recolonize the landscape.

[Sam Reeves]

Maybe you should take a look at the myriad of sites that you link to before you post them. I wasn't expecting a penpal site.


Where did I call you a name. I have made no personal attacks - merely questions based on your postings.You insiniated that I had some "fantasy" with a bunch of convicts.


You have proven nothing.And I suppose you have?

[nell67]

Nell,

The city is not that bad. I kind of miss it really. Ventured into the Buford Farmers market today. I really like that part of town. Asian, Hispanic, Cuban, Med., Korean, it's like the world all on one road going from Gainesville to Atlanta.

The city is a nice place if you make it that way. Just like wilderness survival, there are the dangers. You can go through life living it, being cautious and enjoying it. Or you can do what many do, go through life scared.

You would do just fine. For awhile.

Just cant adjust to the city life,it is not in me to do so,I love being able to walk out my back door,and walk into the woods,and there is inherent danger in everything we do in life,I am not afraid of the danger (well maybe a little:D) Went through Atlanta a year and a half ago,it's a dang BIG city,everyone I met when I was there was very pleasant,visiting is one thing though and living in it is another,dont even want to try to get used to the city life;)

[Sam Reeves]

Well, my day is complete. Sam has insulted me. I may not sleep tonight pondering my fate. And yes, my life is complete.Now where have I insulted you?[/quote] Want to see what wondrous powers a moderator has?[/QUOTE]You're little user control panel won't make reality go away, Rick.

[nell67]

Now where have I insulted you? Want to see what wondrous powers a moderator has?[/quote]You're little user control panel won't make reality go away, Rick.[/quote]

What IS the reality that you seem to be so afraid of Sam?

[crashdive123]

I wasn't expecting a penpal site.

You insiniated that I had some "fantasy" with a bunch of convicts.

And I suppose you have?

That's why I suggested you read what you link, rather than just link.

As far as insinuating something --- just following your lead. You posted the link. You say you weren't expecting a penpal site, did somebody make you post it?

Where have I said or suggested that I have proven anything?

[Rick]

Hopefully one day they let you become a moderator of this forum and then your life will be complete.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Sam Reeves]

What IS the reality that you seem to be so afraid of Sam?

Something like this.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2349813,00.html

It's coming.

[crashdive123]

Something like this.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2349813,00.html

It's coming.

You don't see a difference between South Africa and North Georgia?

[Sam Reeves]

That's why I suggested you read what you link, rather than just link.I admit it was my mistake. I thought it was a prison site.


As far as insinuating something --- just following your lead. You posted the link. You say you weren't expecting a penpal site, did somebody make you post it?What I posted in that case was an oversite. You implied that I have networking with some thugs to "learn" something.


Where have I said or suggested that I have proven anything?Then what was the point?

[Sam Reeves]

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

That wasn't intended for you, Rick.

[Sam Reeves]

You don't see a difference between South Africa and North Georgia?

Nope. Maybe you should do a little research on how South Africa got in that shape and look at what is happening in America now.

[crashdive123]

That wasn't intended for you, Rick.

Since it was intended for me....Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Sam Reeves]

Since it was intended for me....Tsk, tsk, tsk.It could have been worse. I could have said you were writing crooks in the pen.

[crashdive123]

It could have been worse. I could have said you were writing crooks in the pen.

....and I would fully expect you to if I had posted a link that promoted becoming a penpal with inmates.

[FVR]

Come on Sam.

Look at Georgia and the just recent CCP changes. Look at DC and the recent 2nd adm. awareness and changes.

I was reading where the united civil lib. union is getting hate blogs from it's members, members are switching their support from the uclu to the NRA. Because of their stance on the 2nd Amend.

Just look at the battle at the Atl airport.

There are changes being made, Americans are waking up.

To compare the US to S Africa, it does not jive.


Now, if you want to talk NJ, well, that's why I don't live there anymore.



Obama has one thing right. Americans in small towns, we cling to our God and our Guns.

For a reason.

[Sam Reeves]

....and I would fully expect you to if I had posted a link that promoted becoming a penpal with inmates.

Ookay, fine. If I were to post a link to the Atlanta prison with similar people what would yer argument be then?

[crashdive123]

Ookay, fine. If I were to post a link to the Atlanta prison with similar people what would yer argument be then?

It's your argument. You posted something about how about a million people in Atlanta looked. When I responded that I didn't know how they looked, I asked you to enlighten me. You did, with that post we've been talking about. So my argument? I do believe you've got that backwards.

[Sam Reeves]

Come on Sam.

Look at Georgia and the just recent CCP changes. Look at DC and the recent 2nd adm. awareness and changes.

I was reading where the united civil lib. union is getting hate blogs from it's members, members are switching their support from the uclu to the NRA. Because of their stance on the 2nd Amend.

Just look at the battle at the Atl airport.

There are changes being made, Americans are waking up.

To compare the US to S Africa, it does not jive.During the 1960 the Boers had a furious resistance. After international pressure they were finally forced to lower their guard. Now South Africa is known as "Custard's Last Stand".



Now, if you want to talk NJ, well, that's why I don't live there anymore.Sad part is if the economy were to allow it Atlanta would span from Macon to Nashville.




Obama has one thing right. Americans in small towns, we cling to our God and our Guns.

For a reason.Yep.

[Sam Reeves]

It's your argument. You posted something about how about a million people in Atlanta looked. When I responded that I didn't know how they looked, I asked you to enlighten me. You did, with that post we've been talking about. So my argument? I do believe you've got that backwards.There are a million people in Atlanta that look like "gang bangers" and live as such. That was my point. Sorry about the penpal site. Happy?

[crashdive123]

There are a million people in Atlanta that look like "gang bangers" and live as such. That was my point. Sorry about the penpal site. Happy?

Happiness has nothing to do with the conversation. Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

[Ole WV Coot]

If it walks like a redneck
talks like a redneck
dress' like a redneck
and flies the rebel flag.

Must be a KKK member.

I could be wrong.LOL.


I do not judge others based on how they walk, talk, or dress.

You're off base, way off. I walk like a Redneck, talk like a Redneck, dress like a Redneck I am a Redneck, I fly the flag my family went to war under all the way down to my grandson who's wanting to go into the Marines before college. We fought in the Revolution and every little spat up to today. My ggrandpa walked 50 miles to join the 14th KY Infantry Volunteers (Union Troops). We weren't rich. Slaves probably had it as well as my family and Eastern counties from Johnson to the Ohio River were Union. Redneck and KKK don't necessarily go together and we don't hate any race but we sure ain't happy with people who think they are smart enough to judge us. BTW read the definition of Redneck. We don't hate, just get irritated with ignorance.

[Flavor Bear]

What about an animal that isn't a sheep, and doesn't protect them, but doesn't necessarily wish harm to befall them? What would that be? A pug? I think I'm a pug.

[FVR]

Ol Coot,

My post was scarcastic to show that things are not what they seem.

You need to read the whole thread, not just bits and pieces then comment.

[Rick]

And just how happy would pugs be to hear that, FB? They may welcome you with open paws. Then again......

[Ole WV Coot]

Ol Coot,

My post was scarcastic to show that things are not what they seem.

You need to read the whole thread, not just bits and pieces then comment.

I admit I was wrong for sure. I missed the point completely. I don't like to be put in any group and I just happen to be very proud of who I am and what I believe. We put that North-South bit behind us and we have respect for the men on both sides and both flags. We are a different breed, but when we are wrong we'll admit it. I hope I made myself clear this time.:D

[bulrush]

There is a reason that the ratio of criminals are less in the sticks than they are in the city.

Maybe it's because country mama's know that kids need a spanking now and then, and city folk don't. Have you noticed the increase in crime over the past 20 years since spanking was "discouraged"?

I mean in my town last year we had 2 teenage girls beat up an old lady for her purse in a store parking lot. The lady probably did not have more than $40 cash. The lady died.

What's with that? Then we have girl gangs here too, and a large increase in them. And they start fights in the street. They don't have guns (yet).

[Teotwawki]

I admit I was wrong for sure. I missed the point completely. I don't like to be put in any group and I just happen to be very proud of who I am and what I believe. We put that North-South bit behind us and we have respect for the men on both sides and both flags. We are a different breed, but when we are wrong we'll admit it. I hope I made myself clear this time.:D

You're alright! :)

[Beo]

a lot of hypothetical non-sense put out by the usual suspects.

Who is this Stony punk? That was not a hpyothetical rant that I did, and what do mean by the usual suspects ya Johnny Butterbutt. If you don't like what I said I don't really give two she-its, and if you're gonna say something then back it up when questioned ya frig'n coward.

As for the redneck thing... hmmm I am not a redneck, I love the wilds, outdoors, camping, trekking, hunting, fishing, wildlife, shooting my guns, and all the things that come with being a woodsmen (or woodswomen for you gals) but I am not a redneck.
BTW... why do the people that live in the North have a different view of the word redneck than the people in the south.
Also... sorry this post started an argument between a couple members that was not my intension.
Gangs come from a lack of belonging to something, kids join gangs to have a sense of belonging, but the parents let them as I have said before it does not take a village to raise a child... it takes responsible parents.
Beo,

[trax]

Don't worry about Stony, bro, he lives in some alternate universe and does the occassional nonsensical fly-by postings.

[Rick]

His lives with the no-see-ums. I think he's their voice or conscience or something. No, wait. He doesn't have a conscience. Just maybe their voice.

[crashdive123]

And what was it that he said that was so eloquent???? Oh yeah - don't try to tell me what to do, I come and go as I please.

[trax]

He's like the wind, nooo, maybe more like a mosquito buzzing around in a dark room, yeah that's it.

[crashdive123]

He's like the wind, nooo, maybe more like a mosquito buzzing around in a dark room, yeah that's it.

I think you had it right the first time - like the wind, well like passing wind anyway.

[Ole WV Coot]

I just don't understand people. You HUFF & PUFF and get two out of three, which I think ain't bad and you still don't get any respect. My beagle does better and all he does is sleep and eat, but he's a leg dog at heart.

[Rick]

I thought he said he pees when he goes. I'm sure that's what he said.

[Sam Reeves]

Maybe it's because country mama's know that kids need a spanking now and then, and city folk don't. Have you noticed the increase in crime over the past 20 years since spanking was "discouraged"?

I mean in my town last year we had 2 teenage girls beat up an old lady for her purse in a store parking lot. The lady probably did not have more than $40 cash. The lady died.

What's with that? Then we have girl gangs here too, and a large increase in them. And they start fights in the street. They don't have guns (yet).A predicament isn't it. It's now a crime to spank your child in a manner that will be effective. It's now a crime to prevent crime. Go figure.

I'm not sure if there is any truth to it but I was told that having pictures of your kids playing in the bathtub could be considered kiddy porn.

Our government that is basically failing at everything now demands the right to govern how children are to be raised. How wonderful.

[Rick]

Psssst. Our government is you and me.

[Sam Reeves]

Psssst. Our government is you and me.

Who told you that rhetorical load of crap?

We are just citizens. We don't govern anything.

[Rick]

Run for office and you can. YOU can even change things. Make new laws. Ban people like me. Wait, never mind that part. You can govern, Sam. Come on, we know you can do it!

[Sam Reeves]

Run for office and you can. YOU can even change things. Make new laws. Ban people like me. Wait, never mind that part. You can govern, Sam. Come on, we know you can do it!

I just may do that when I get to Kentucky.

Most people don't want change. They want benefits and entitlements that government can't afford. The guy that gives away the most candy wins. It's a vicious cycle on a sinking ship.

[Rick]

Does this mean ya'll are gonna be a Yankee? Look out Nell, he's inchin' his way to Indiana. Next thing you know he'll want a yard.

[Sam Reeves]

Does this mean ya'll are gonna be a Yankee? Look out Nell, he's inchin' his way to Indiana. Next thing you know he'll want a yard.

Nope. This means I'm going to invade Kentucky. :D

[Ole WV Coot]

INVADE KENTUCKY ??? Just across the river from where I live and where I grew up. All my relatives are still there. Be careful in Eastern KY those boys are hard to clean after. I will confess we do have a failure in our family that is a (sob) state trooper. We don't talk much about him and where he went wrong. He only gives one pass to relatives which ain't natural. I would take the 4hr bus tour of Harlan myself. We have a man on here that can give you a tour of Pike Co. especially Beaver Creek.

[Sam Reeves]

INVADE KENTUCKY ??? Just across the river from where I live and where I grew up. All my relatives are still there. Be careful in Eastern KY those boys are hard to clean after. I will confess we do have a failure in our family that is a (sob) state trooper. We don't talk much about him and where he went wrong. He only gives one pass to relatives which ain't natural. I would take the 4hr bus tour of Harlan myself. We have a man on here that can give you a tour of Pike Co. especially Beaver Creek.

I plan to buy 36 acres in Edmonton. Population 1700. I know some folks in Dawson springs. We have a failure in our family, too. She's a paralegal.

[nell67]

Does this mean ya'll are gonna be a Yankee? Look out Nell, he's inchin' his way to Indiana. Next thing you know he'll want a yard.
Hmm when he gets to Kentucky,that means he has several hundred miles to think about what he's doing before he dares to cross the river into Indiana,right Rick???

[Beo]

Kentucky ain't in the South, or at least they haven't been since the civil war.
May 28 1861 Governor Beriah Magoffin issues a proclamation declaring Kentucky's neutrality (Liars).
December 10 1861 Kentucky is admitted into the Confederate States of America by vote of the Confederate Congress (Stupid Idiots).
January 1 1863 President Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation goes into effect in the states in rebellion against the United States. This does not include Kentucky (Hee haa!)
November 8 1864 Presidential election results in Kentucky casting its electoral votes for George B. McClellan for President of the United States. In Kentucky, Lincoln gains 27,786 votes to McClellan's 64,301. Lincoln is re-elected for a second term. Kentucky and New Jersey are the only two states going for McClellan (Still stupid)
May 1865 As soon the 62nd Ohio Infantry, 9th Ohio Cavalry and the 9th Regiment Indiana Cavalry (121st Regiment Volunteers) and the 10th Infantry (Regiment Indiana 3 Years) of the Union army swept over the boarder the Kan-tuck-ians turned and rejoined the Union. (Hee hee dumb hicks we kicked your azz bunch of cowardice losers!!)
Source: Oxford University History of the Civil War in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana.
Clarksville Tenn, Historical Society-Civil war Times on the Cumberland.

[Sam]

I reloaded my pc and can't remember how to ignore stoney please help as he lowers my enjoyment of this site

[Sam]

If it walks like a redneck
talks like a redneck
dress' like a redneck
and flies the rebel flag.

Must be a KKK member.

I could be wrong.LOL.


I do not judge others based on how they walk, talk, or dress.

I am from Mississippi, and we are the rednecks. lol

[Ole WV Coot]

Kentucky ain't in the South, or at least they haven't been since the civil war.
May 28 1861 Governor Beriah Magoffin issues a proclamation declaring Kentucky's neutrality (Liars).
December 10 1861 Kentucky is admitted into the Confederate States of America by vote of the Confederate Congress (Stupid Idiots).
January 1 1863 President Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation goes into effect in the states in rebellion against the United States. This does not include Kentucky (Hee haa!)
November 8 1864 Presidential election results in Kentucky casting its electoral votes for George B. McClellan for President of the United States. In Kentucky, Lincoln gains 27,786 votes to McClellan's 64,301. Lincoln is re-elected for a second term. Kentucky and New Jersey are the only two states going for McClellan (Still stupid)
May 1865 As soon the 62nd Ohio Infantry, 9th Ohio Cavalry and the 9th Regiment Indiana Cavalry (121st Regiment Volunteers) and the 10th Infantry (Regiment Indiana 3 Years) of the Union army swept over the boarder the Kan-tuck-ians turned and rejoined the Union. (Hee hee dumb hicks we kicked your azz bunch of cowardice losers!!)
Source: Oxford University History of the Civil War in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana.
Clarksville Tenn, Historical Society-Civil war Times on the Cumberland.

While you are checking all the Southern Regiments from Kentucky how about looking up the 14th Kentucky Infantry Volunteers. My Great Grandpa walked to Louisa to join up. They didn't do bad and how many Kentuckians have saved your rear if you have ever been in combat?? Check that black slab in D.C. and see how many men from KY, TN, WV are on it. I wish records were kept of the men who walked point in the '60 because they knew how to move thru the jungle and were darn good shots. You can wear your hides, play your games but the West was settled by men from VA thru Cumberland Gap or down the Ohio, up from NC. You can cross the river at Louisville and find a different breed but in the Hills of Eastern KY you wouldn't last a day playing Daniel Boone or Simon Kenton, you have heard of them? Oh, while you're on the Civil War look up what state Lincoln and Davis were both born in.:rolleyes:

[Beo]

Ole WV Coot,
I was just joking, relax as a matter of fact Kenticky never left CSA, it was all for Sam. Bro I got many good friends in Kentucky, go to Boonesbourgh and Daniel Boone Natinal Forrest for treks but don't play in the woods as you so nicely put it. Because I do my treking in historical clothing with historical equipment you blast me? With all the crap on here that upset you? And btw, those were not the only frontiersmen to as you said "the West was settled by men from VA thru Cumberland Gap or down the Ohio, up from NC" they were from all over the new england states and colonies. And yes I saw my share of action and had some good friends from all over, but just because your from the south, or Virgina, or West Virgina, or Tennessee, or Kentucky, or North Carolina or wherever does not mean you can move any better in the woods than anyone else, its a skill learned. I grew up in Cincinnati Ohio and was an LRSD 101st Airborne Ranger tabbed scout and was great at my job. I grew up hunting, fishing, trapping, and camping here, that mean your better than me cause you did it in the south? HeII no, so put your own ducks in row relax and take a pill. http://ranchoarcana.com/taps/_remote_files_for_taps_forums/forum18/Smileys/default/afro.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[jrock24]

but the West was settled by men from VA thru Cumberland Gap or down the Ohio, up from NC

I think there were natives in west for a long time before anyone from VA came along.

[Beo]

Yeah, actually more like they resettled it after breaking treaties and stealing land.
What was the "Wilderness" for the white man was home and comfortable to the Native American.
By the way Ole WV Coot, please do not take any thing I say personally, just my ranting. And in case you don't know I have the utmost respect for our forefathers no matter where they came from, and a lot of respect for you.

[Ole WV Coot]

Yeah, actually more like they resettled it after breaking treaties and stealing land.
What was the "Wilderness" for the white man was home and comfortable to the Native American.
By the way Ole WV Coot, please do not take any thing I say personally, just my ranting. And in case you don't know I have the utmost respect for our forefathers no matter where they came from, and a lot of respect for you.

Well, I did it again. I am beginning to develop a taste for crow. We have been and still are the brunt of many jokes and I got up on the wrong side of the bed I guess. You make good points and I agree most of the time. I don't think I could handle your job now. I do admire you and several of my relatives that have to stand and take the crap on the job and do nothing. The difference in our age and wars is so different and the kids that I know coming home today are treated so different I must learn to keep up with the times.

[Beo]

Coot,
Bro, I too played around a little too much and should have never posted such a thing. My father is from Kentucky, born and raised. My Mother is from Virgina. I lived 8 years of my adult life in Tennessee and my 1st wife was a Tennessee girl. I hunted all over the state and love them like brothers. You my friend are a good man and I thank you for your service and know all that I learned in the Army came from Vietnam Vets that taught me everything I know in survival, shooting, and scouting. My Ranger school instructors (black hats) were mostly Vietnam Vets making sure we learned what we needed. You are not eating crow on anything. I understand your feelings and the frontiersmen of all those states you named and then some are true frontiersmen and hero's also. Being a Redneck is not a bad thing and being a country boy is not either, guess I'm in there with you. As for my job, well a scout getting out of the military pretty much had no choice but to do police work cause there wasn't much else I could translate those skills into.
Love ya bro, oh yeah it also made good conversation :)
Beo,

[Ole WV Coot]

We are what we are and I would cover your back anytime. We won't agree on everything but we stand for the same thing. Reckon that is what really counts, besides you come up with some good topics.

[crashdive123]

Ole WV Coot - being from up north, I can say with some authority that I enjoy being around people that you have described soooo much more. The rich heritage that comes from the South is something to embrace. As for your time in Nam – Thank you and Welcome Home Brother.

[Beo]

Crash is very right, although these Canadian's and Alaskans got my intrest peeked. :D
Beo,http://ranchoarcana.com/taps/_remote_files_for_taps_forums/forum18/Smileys/default/police.gif (javascript:void(0);)

[trax]

You guys aren't gonna hug now are you, cuz that's just you know, like totally gross.:D :D :D :D

[Beo]

Hug this punk... lol...

[trax]

Hey, wanna hear about the last guy that called me punk? Oh, wait a minute....you're the last guy that called me punk....never mind:o. Well how about the guy before that?:D

[Ole WV Coot]

You guys aren't gonna hug now are you, cuz that's just you know, like totally gross.:D :D :D :D

I guess you know you're back up for adoption again. You lucked out, I noticed a young lady that would put up with you, maybe:D

[trax]

I guess you know you're back up for adoption again. You lucked out, I noticed a young lady that would put up with you, maybe:D

Awwwwwww Dad.....((c'mere, giver your boy a hug)) :D :D :D

[Rick]

Warning Will Robinson! Weird Alert! Weird Alert!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39912000/jpg/_39912100_lost_in_space_pa.jpg

[trax]

Warning Will Robinson! Weird Alert! Weird Alert!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39912000/jpg/_39912100_lost_in_space_pa.jpg

OKKKK...we're getting a weird alert from a man who wants to "strip down" female handguns.

[Beo]

Trax,
My bro, just because I say "luv ya bro", don't make me gay or weird.
Now if I had 'wanna luv you bro' that would be weird and gay, and if I was last guy to call ya 'punk' then ya ain't talking to enough people cause you is, although I am one too by my standards, which is not a bad thing, I am a country boy redneck by others standards and that is not a bad thing either I guess, but to me your just my
bro and I luv ya bro! lol...
And don't ya think Will Robinson spent a little too much time with that doctor... who was really weird.
Thiings that make ya go... Hmmm.
Beo, http://ranchoarcana.com/taps/_remote_files_for_taps_forums/forum18/Smileys/default/police.gif (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:void(0);)

[trax]

with the doctor AND with that robot, lol

[Beo]

A trio of freaks lost in space!!!

[nell67]

I guess you know you're back up for adoption again. You lucked out, I noticed a young lady that would put up with you, maybe:D

No maybe to it Coot daddy,I'll take him in,and put up with him,the down side to that is,he has to put up with me as well :D:D;)

[Beo]

Awe your not so bad Lil-sis, at least not from a distance... lol... jk

[trax]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can handle that.

[nell67]

Ya just gotta watch out for the claws,oh and the growling thing,you KNOW how I like to growl!;)

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