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crashdive123
06-20-2008, 05:30 PM
I just saw an ad for an upcoming movie (Wanted) where they say basically, if you are good, you can curve a bullet around an obstacle (like another person) to hit your target behind it just by moving the gun as you fire. I wonder how long it will be before some idiot tries this and kills somebody.
Pict
06-20-2008, 06:12 PM
You can do it, you just have to aim really, really high and wait, really really long. Mac
Sam Reeves
06-20-2008, 06:27 PM
You can do it, you just have to aim really, really high and wait, really really long. Mac


I thought this was neat and I wanted to thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iR_3zWd0hA
Rick
06-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Before anyone gets any ideas, I will NOT be the object being shot around.
Ole WV Coot
06-20-2008, 07:37 PM
Sounds like a another video for YOU TUBE
Pict
06-20-2008, 07:39 PM
Sam,

Thanks. I'd seen similar traps in books but never that trigger. It might be out there somewhere but I've only seen it here. Its really easy to make, even I can do it. Thanks for watching. Mac
Pict
06-20-2008, 07:42 PM
Coot,

It works with bow hunting as well. If you kind of jiggle when you shoot the arrow will weave its way through heavy brush. (BS smily) Mac
Rick
06-20-2008, 08:36 PM
While we're on the subject....I once heard a Ranger say the worse place to walk down a street was next to a wall. That a bullet fire parallel would hug the wall about six inches out because of air pressure dynamics. Walking along a wall was a good way to get killed. He said you had to walk about 12 inches out from the wall to stay safe. Not having been in combat, was he BS'ing the guy or is there something to it. It almost sounds scientific enough to be believable.
crashdive123
06-20-2008, 08:41 PM
Gotta raise the brown BS flag on the air pressure dynamics that he told you. Ricochet, yes but the aerodynamic flight of a bullet altered due to the proximity of a wall......
Sam Reeves
06-20-2008, 09:10 PM
I believe the reason that you are not supposed to stand close to a wall in combat is because of debris if a shell hits the wall.
Pict
06-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Ricochet, yes aerodynamic flight, no. The same thing happens with bullets fired down a street the ricohet will travel low if it made contact with the road at a low angle. If a bullet hits a wall at a low angle (Fired down a street) it will follow the wall pretty much for a long way down the street.

Firearms odd. We were shooting at a frozen lake, targets set up at the far bank. We walked across to set up more targets and heard this fierce buzzing sound. There standing on its end was an AK bullet spinning like a top on its nose on the ice. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It just kept going and going like the energizer bunny. Mac
canid
06-20-2008, 11:53 PM
come on crash; the trailer disclaims quite clearly that only a few people have the ability.
crashdive123
06-21-2008, 06:33 AM
come on crash; the trailer disclaims quite clearly that only a few people have the ability.

That's true. It's the ones that are trying to figure out if they are one of the few that have me concerned.
Rick
06-21-2008, 06:48 AM
It was a conversation I happened to overhear and he was telling it with a straight face. Believe it or not there are one or two things in this world I don't know and this one has always sort of stuck in my head. I could never find any info on it. I think Mac may be very close to the truth on the ricochet theory. That does make sense. I assume it depends on angle of contact, too.
Aurelius95
06-21-2008, 08:33 AM
What about the spinning car move in the parking lot... want to try it? :)
RBB
06-21-2008, 10:55 AM
While we're on the subject....I once heard a Ranger say the worse place to walk down a street was next to a wall. That a bullet fire parallel would hug the wall about six inches out because of air pressure dynamics. Walking along a wall was a good way to get killed. He said you had to walk about 12 inches out from the wall to stay safe. Not having been in combat, was he BS'ing the guy or is there something to it. It almost sounds scientific enough to be believable.

We've done training on this, using a . 40 Glock and a 12 ga. with slugs. Kind of amazing, really. We put up a man sized target, along a wall, and using your gun from behind a corner, put your hand(s) with the gun around the corner and shoot at the concrete wall from an angle. Pretty good strikes most of the time.
canid
06-21-2008, 12:50 PM
oh yeah. maybe the trailer should also have specified that if you are, angelena jolie will recruit you, picking you up in a percision choreographed high speed driving stunt scene, so you'll know for sure. honestly, we could have done it better, i don't know why they don't let us run the show.
klkak
06-21-2008, 01:45 PM
While we're on the subject....I once heard a Ranger say the worse place to walk down a street was next to a wall. That a bullet fire parallel would hug the wall about six inches out because of air pressure dynamics. Walking along a wall was a good way to get killed. He said you had to walk about 12 inches out from the wall to stay safe. Not having been in combat, was he BS'ing the guy or is there something to it. It almost sounds scientific enough to be believable.

A ricochet will normally only rise a few inches above the ground. A technique I was taught was when someone is hiding behind a car to fire at the pavement under the car and bounce the bullet into the perps legs. To practice this on the range we set up 1 liter soda bottles filled with water behind a junk car and tried to hit them with the M-9 and M-16. It surprised me how well it worked. Call it a form of "indirect fire".
klkak
06-21-2008, 01:52 PM
We've done training on this, using a . 40 Glock and a 12 ga. with slugs. Kind of amazing, really. We put up a man sized target, along a wall, and using your gun from behind a corner, put your hand(s) with the gun around the corner and shoot at the concrete wall from an angle. Pretty good strikes most of the time.

RBB, It is interesting to note that we received this training from civilian law enforcement weapons instructors.
Sam Reeves
06-21-2008, 03:14 PM
Bullet billiards?
crashdive123
06-21-2008, 03:19 PM
A ricochet will normally only rise a few inches above the ground. A technique I was taught was when someone is hiding behind a car to fire at the pavement under the car and bounce the bullet into the perps legs. To practice this on the range we set up 1 liter soda bottles filled with water behind a junk car and tried to hit them with the M-9 and M-16. It surprised me how well it worked. Call it a form of "indirect fire".

I remember working the target pit during M-14 quals. Firing line was 200 yards back. The guy shooting the target that I was tending "bounced" about 90% of his shots off the dirt mound directly in front of the target. Most of the holes that I patched were of bullets that had gone through sideways.
klkak
06-21-2008, 03:29 PM
Not surprising. Heck, sideways - frontways - backways - anyways you can hits 'um.
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