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Deimos
09-12-2022, 10:31 AM
I have a house near a lake. I go there when I want to go fishing, but it's far from the city. I have to drive almost 2 hours to get there and more 2 hours to go back. What kind of food can I buy that won't spoil easily, so I can just leave it there, WITHOUT REFRIGERATION, so I will always have something to eat even when I don't catch anything?
I already have a pretty basic pantry there, with some shelf-stable pasta and some other things like canned meatballs, some tomato sauce, some spices and salt, and of course, sardines and SPAM. I'm also thinking about buying vienna sausages, they are another fisherman's classic.
What kind of food do you guys keep at your boats, mountain houses and so on?

crashdive123
09-12-2022, 11:27 AM
Freeze dried foods with a long shelf life (25 years). I'm actually eating some right now. Make sure it meets your dietary needs and before you buy a lot of it, taste it to make sure you like it. Many companies that sell this sort of thing offer sampler packs.

RangerXanatos
09-13-2022, 09:05 PM
Any canned goods should last for a while. Its always hard to go wrong with peanut butter and honey.

kyratshooter
09-14-2022, 12:42 PM
Deimos, I have been doing this prepping thing for near 60 years. I have run through two different buy ups of the 25 year shelf life foods. 25 year life does not mean unlimited and oddly, I have lived longer than I ever expected. I was hoping to have been killed by an atomic bomb or a jealous husband by now!

At this point I have settled on keeping only 25 year shelf life ground beef and powered eggs supported with normal canned goods and rotating them every couple of years. You do have to take some things into consideration.

1. Tomato based canned foods will spoil within a year or two. The acid in the tomatoes will eat through the plastic liner, then through the can itself. Tomato sauce/paste/juice is not a long term storage item.

2. Most soups are good for 5-7 years before the plastic lining of the can breaks down. When you open the can bits of plastic film will be floating in the broth.

3. Canned vegetables seem to never go bad. Green beans, baked beans, green peas, mixed veg last forever if you keep the cans dry and rust free.

4. Canned meats last equally as long. It might seem strange to you but most of the canned meats we get here in the U.S. are from your neighbors in Argentina! Except for Spam, but that is not a solid canned meat, just pressed together, bits canned in the US.

5. Put beans and rice at the top of your food list. Put them inside plastic bags, then inside plastic sealable containers. They will last practically forever. You might want to drop a kilo of salt and a few bottles of hot sauce in those containers too. All it takes is a half kilo of beans, a half kilo of rice and a couple of small fish to feed a family for a day.

There is also the danger of a cache of food in a remote area being stolen or your area being occupied by squatters when you arrive. I would not leave a lot of food for them to take or use. If you only go occasionally then take what you need with you for whatever time you intend to stay. That is the only way that you can insure the food will be accessible.

There is the possibility of making a cache and storing the food in secret. You can bury a food grade barrel up to the neck, fill it with canned goods, then cover it and replace the top soil or disguise it with a pile of lumber or old scrap.

I would just build a "grub box" and transport it in my vehicle. That way if you are diverted, or never actually make it to your lake spot in an emergency you will still have the food.

By the way, I was truly amazed that it takes two hours travel BOTH WAYS to go to your lake spot and then home! Seems to me you could shorten the trip either out or in. I would work on that if I were you.

I have a small town near me that I can access on the main highway. When I go to the town there is a sign at the on ramp that says 4 miles. When I come home the sign on the access ramp says 5 miles to get home. I have lived here for 15 years and I still have not figured that one out.

Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-14-2022, 06:02 PM
We used to try and leave food at the ranch for hunting season... Never worked very well... It either spoiled or something got into it. Mostly we just never ate it because we always brought more. So, we just started taking what we needed and starving the vermin... I had a grub box with the essentials, coffee, coffee pot, and some other stuff....and a utensil box, pots, pans, dutch oven, etc... everybody had a mess kit that was their responsibility, and the cook didn't clean up...

Alan

VnVet
09-14-2022, 07:05 PM
We have 25 year shelf life and a variety of canned vegetables.

There's a trout stream at the back of our property with a small lake and river about .3 or .4 mile away.

crashdive123
09-14-2022, 09:11 PM
We used to try and leave food at the ranch for hunting season... Never worked very well... It either spoiled or something got into it. Mostly we just never ate it because we always brought more. So, we just started taking what we needed and starving the vermin... I had a grub box with the essentials, coffee, coffee pot, and some other stuff....and a utensil box, pots, pans, dutch oven, etc... everybody had a mess kit that was their responsibility, and the cook didn't clean up...

Alan

Well, if you have coffee, you have everything covered.

Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-14-2022, 09:24 PM
I can eat tree bark if I have coffee... If I don't have coffee.... well, I don't know what that's like...

Alan

Rick
09-15-2022, 07:47 AM
Chew that tree bark really fine. The next day...just chew it really fine.

VnVet
09-15-2022, 09:13 AM
Well, if you have coffee, you have everything covered.

We prefer to grind coffee beans for coffee. I bought a hand grinder for emergencies and discovered they grind enough only if you have a French press to brew coffee. :lol:

crashdive123
09-15-2022, 11:21 AM
We prefer to grind coffee beans for coffee. I bought a hand grinder for emergencies and discovered they grind enough only if you have a French press to brew coffee. :lol:

I have two grinders, seven percolators, four French presses, two drip machines and one Keurig. If all of those fail I will have Cowboy Coffee. I will not be denied!

Deimos
09-15-2022, 01:27 PM
Deimos, I have been doing this prepping thing for near 60 years. I have run through two different buy ups of the 25 year shelf life foods. 25 year life does not mean unlimited and oddly, I have lived longer than I ever expected. I was hoping to have been killed by an atomic bomb or a jealous husband by now!

At this point I have settled on keeping only 25 year shelf life ground beef and powered eggs supported with normal canned goods and rotating them every couple of years. You do have to take some things into consideration.

1. Tomato based canned foods will spoil within a year or two. The acid in the tomatoes will eat through the plastic liner, then through the can itself. Tomato sauce/paste/juice is not a long term storage item.

2. Most soups are good for 5-7 years before the plastic lining of the can breaks down. When you open the can bits of plastic film will be floating in the broth.

3. Canned vegetables seem to never go bad. Green beans, baked beans, green peas, mixed veg last forever if you keep the cans dry and rust free.

4. Canned meats last equally as long. It might seem strange to you but most of the canned meats we get here in the U.S. are from your neighbors in Argentina! Except for Spam, but that is not a solid canned meat, just pressed together, bits canned in the US.

5. Put beans and rice at the top of your food list. Put them inside plastic bags, then inside plastic sealable containers. They will last practically forever. You might want to drop a kilo of salt and a few bottles of hot sauce in those containers too. All it takes is a half kilo of beans, a half kilo of rice and a couple of small fish to feed a family for a day.

There is also the danger of a cache of food in a remote area being stolen or your area being occupied by squatters when you arrive. I would not leave a lot of food for them to take or use. If you only go occasionally then take what you need with you for whatever time you intend to stay. That is the only way that you can insure the food will be accessible.

There is the possibility of making a cache and storing the food in secret. You can bury a food grade barrel up to the neck, fill it with canned goods, then cover it and replace the top soil or disguise it with a pile of lumber or old scrap.

I would just build a "grub box" and transport it in my vehicle. That way if you are diverted, or never actually make it to your lake spot in an emergency you will still have the food.

By the way, I was truly amazed that it takes two hours travel BOTH WAYS to go to your lake spot and then home! Seems to me you could shorten the trip either out or in. I would work on that if I were you.

I have a small town near me that I can access on the main highway. When I go to the town there is a sign at the on ramp that says 4 miles. When I come home the sign on the access ramp says 5 miles to get home. I have lived here for 15 years and I still have not figured that one out.

I think that I didn't expresed myself in the way that I intented. The so-called lake is actually a really big POND into the middle of nowhere, bordering a forest. It takes some time but I can swim across it, I did it one time, but I will not do it again because the water is murky and sometimes it's also deep. To get there I need to drive a lot, not only to get into my plot of land, but also to get to the "lake". That's why it takes so much time to get there.

Rick
09-15-2022, 05:39 PM
Yeah, I'm in there with you. A grinder, four percs, a siphon maker, two espesso machines, two Mr. Coffees and several pots for cowboy coffee. If all that fails, I will take hostages.

VnVet
09-15-2022, 08:36 PM
We have two electric coffee pots, two that can make coffee on a Camp Chef propane stove and one that does quite well on a kerosene heater. A good life depends on good coffee.

There used to be a TV show "Life without People." After people were gone, it showed insects inside boxes of food. I thought give me a break.

https://extension.umn.edu/product-and-houseplant-pests/pantry-pests-insects-found-stored-food
https://www.mashed.com/169571/heres-how-many-insect-parts-are-allowed-in-your-food/
http://foodsafetytrainingcertification.com/food-safety-news/food-contamination-limits-allowed-by-law/
https://www.offthegridnews.com/how-to-2/does-freezing-food-really-kill-bugs/

Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-15-2022, 08:42 PM
I'm not sure whatall there is still in the kitchen cabinets, the attic, storage containers, etc.. for brewing that perfect cup.... I am really only interested in #1. Is there coffee in some form... #2. is there a vessel in which to mix the ground coffee with water. Then and only then will I concern myself with the perfect 32 oz yeti tumbler on the first fill... Currently I am drinking Tejas Cafe from HEB at $3.98/11 oz bag. It tastes tolerable and is cheap.

I don't do Keurig. The puny little cups are hardly worth the effort and a $20 "Coffee Maker" from the cheap store does what I need it to do...

There is coffee that I like better than Tejas Cafe but I refuse to pay extortion prices for a life necessity.



And, a Cabin 2 hrs back in the middle of nowhere next to a fishing hole sounds pretty good right now...

Alan

Deimos
09-15-2022, 08:50 PM
I'm not sure whatall there is still in the kitchen cabinets, the attic, storage containers, etc.. for brewing that perfect cup.... I am really only interested in #1. Is there coffee in some form... #2. is there a vessel in which to mix the ground coffee with water. Then and only then will I concern myself with the perfect 32 oz yeti tumbler on the first fill... Currently I am drinking Tejas Cafe from HEB at $3.98/11 oz bag. It tastes tolerable and is cheap.

I don't do Keurig. The puny little cups are hardly worth the effort and a $20 "Coffee Maker" from the cheap store does what I need it to do...

There is coffee that I like better than Tejas Cafe but I refuse to pay extortion prices for a life necessity.



And, a Cabin 2 hrs back in the middle of nowhere next to a fishing hole sounds pretty good right now...

Alan
It's not a cozy log cabin, it's more of an old wooden house, worn down and then repaired again and again as time went by. When I bougth it, I repaired the holes at the ceiling and changed the broken windows. I also changed some of the wood from the repairs at the wall. Then I trowed all the rotten wood into the lake and that's all.
I love going there but it's a desolate place, and my wife is always a little scared when we spent the nigth there.

crashdive123
09-15-2022, 09:26 PM
An old, broken down cabin is always a welcome place. Old is old, but broken down can be fixed to your liking.

VnVet
09-15-2022, 10:03 PM
One of our only vices are coffee beans from all over the world.

We live in a modern cabin and love it. Here we found the beauty of nature and its peace and tranquility.

crashdive123
09-16-2022, 06:06 AM
Sounds like you have found your little slice of heaven. Happy for you and your wife.

VnVet
09-16-2022, 08:08 AM
Sounds like you have found your little slice of heaven. Happy for you and your wife.

Thank you and we wish you the same.

Deimos
09-16-2022, 10:28 AM
Thank you and we wish you the same.

And I wish you guys not only happiness, but also a lot of coffe.

Maybe I should plant something at my property, it's mostly untamed wilderness, since I live in the city and 2 hours away from my "lakeside house".
I'm thinking about some trees. There is some species of apple that can tolerate our not-so-cold climate, and a vast array of tropical fruits.
But trees alone won't take away that "I'm in the middle of nowhere" feeling... Maybe I should plant some flowers too, just in case.
I know some hardcore flowers that can handle that near-wild setting.

VnVet
09-16-2022, 11:32 AM
And I wish you guys not only happiness, but also a lot of coffe.

Maybe I should plant something at my property, it's mostly untamed wilderness, since I live in the city and 2 hours away from my "lakeside house".
I'm thinking about some trees. There is some species of apple that can tolerate our not-so-cold climate, and a vast array of tropical fruits.
But trees alone won't take away that "I'm in the middle of nowhere" feeling... Maybe I should plant some flowers too, just in case.
I know some hardcore flowers that can handle that near-wild setting.

Once wars were fought over spices and coffee.

Planting flowers is wise as they attract bees etc. who cross pollinate your vegetables.
That is if the local 4 legged critters don't eat your vegetables.

We both know what your "I'm in the middle of nowhere" feeling. To us, it is a big event when someone drives up the road.

Deimos
09-16-2022, 01:29 PM
Once wars were fought over spices and coffee.

Planting flowers is wise as they attract bees etc. who cross pollinate your vegetables.
That is if the local 4 legged critters don't eat your vegetables.

We both know what your "I'm in the middle of nowhere" feeling. To us, it is a big event when someone drives up the road.

I don't think that I will plant any vegetables, because I don't know if any vegatable can handle being left alone for weeks...
I don't live at my "lakeside cabin", I live in the city.
And my lake is actually just a very big pond.
But it's all mine, along with all the fish and frogs that swim in it since it's fully at my property =)

kyratshooter
09-16-2022, 05:03 PM
It's not a cozy log cabin, it's more of an old wooden house, worn down and then repaired again and again as time went by. When I bougth it, I repaired the holes at the ceiling and changed the broken windows. I also changed some of the wood from the repairs at the wall. Then I trowed all the rotten wood into the lake and that's all.
I love going there but it's a desolate place, and my wife is always a little scared when we spent the nigth there.

That sounds like where I live now!

Except for throwing the old wood in the lake. I burned all of that the first year I was here to stay warm.

VnVet
09-16-2022, 10:25 PM
There is a feeling of tranquility and beauty here. There is a beauty in the desolation. I belong to a small Veteran's forum. One of the members said a lot of us would love to live in a place similar to yours; the problem is finding a woman willing to live there. Deimos, your wife's feelings are both common place and understandable.

Although it is difficult to say our nearest neighbor is close to a mile and they are rarely here as weekenders.

kyratshooter: It sounds the same as where we live. ;)
When it comes to gathering firewood, we have an advantage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t06LbvE3CI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pla06PO6Odk
The first time we saw a helicopter cutting it was confusing because we couldn't see the saw. After watching with 10X binoculars, we got it.

The mountains here have a quite a few powerlines and we have a side by side ATV with a dump bed and chainsaws.

Deimos
09-18-2022, 07:18 PM
I can't explain why I like desolate places. I don't know why I love that worn down cabin, that pond and that forest so much. If cars didn't exist I would still go there by horse or by foot. A weekend spent there, fishing, hunting, plinking and maybe just reading, is a happy weekend for me.

kyratshooter
09-18-2022, 09:11 PM
I have spent a large part of my adult life living in remote areas, often off grid. I would buy a place, fix it up and live there a while and some developer would buy all the land around me for new housing and finally buy me out. I would take the profit and start all over again.

In the mean time I was living using solar when no one else used solar, generators in emergencies, and using kerosene lamps and Coleman lanterns for light. I have often felt that I spent half my life camping, I just had 4 rickety walls and a leaky roof over my head instead of a tent.

The place I am at now was the easiest of the homesteads I built. It started out with running water and grid power. I moved here after my wife passed away, 13 years ago. It took me 5 years to get it the way I wanted it, two years wishing I had done it different, and 6 years to do it over!

I get a real kick out of all the yuppies and gen-Xers going "off grid" and simplifying their lives. Nothing is more complicated, dangerous, and demanding than living off grid! If they are enjoying it they are getting into the truck and going to town a lot.

All over the world there are remote families praying that TPTB bring them some power poles and water in a pipe!

We call those spots 3rd world nations.

VnVet
09-18-2022, 09:13 PM
I can't explain why I like desolate places. I don't know why I love that worn down cabin, that pond and that forest so much. If cars didn't exist I would still go there by horse or by foot. A weekend spent there, fishing, hunting, plinking and maybe just reading, is a happy weekend for me.

Desolate places, or this place bring peace within to me. One loves what brings peace within. There is no need to explain as it is not possible except to say I understand what you are saying because I and we are the same way as you.

We have a buggy or a side by side ATV and cruise the mountains. OK to be honest, we cruise the power line clear cuts to gather firewood.

The power company has been doing a lot of clear cutting and we found this.
12101

It is miles from "civilization" with no electricity and sanitation was a hole in the ground. How they even got there is beyond me. There was an old barn that has collapsed.

Deimos
09-18-2022, 10:10 PM
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Desolate places, or this place bring peace within to me. One loves what brings peace within. There is no need to explain as it is not possible except to say I understand what you are saying because I and we are the same way as you.

We have a buggy or a side by side ATV and cruise the mountains. OK to be honest, we cruise the power line clear cuts to gather firewood.

The power company has been doing a lot of clear cutting and we found this.
12101

It is miles from "civilization" with no electricity and sanitation was a hole in the ground. How they even got there is beyond me. There was an old barn that has collapsed.

/FONT]

That's the best about this forum.
We not only find people that are concerned about survival, but also people like us, that are truly happy in the nature.
I would gladly live my life with my dad at his farm, but since I want to have a family with my wife and give them the best that I can, I chosed this patch that lead me into the city. But since my roots are strong, I stayed at a small town and I even bougth my own plot of land, this so-called "lakeside house".

VnVet
09-19-2022, 03:32 PM
As there wasn't any road to it, no electricity, and a spring for water at the house I posted a picture of; I wonder how they got the materials there to build it.

This forum is one of the best online.

Not just the people here, but everyone needs to be prepared. Too many others live in la-la land.
In 2000, where I lived in SE North Carolina received over 2' of snow. As the usual snowfall would be an inch or so that would melt in the afternoon; the town didn't own a snowplow.
The power outage lasted from 2AM Monday until 6PM Friday night. A neighbor knocked on the door and asked if we had a coffee pot and some pots and pans she could borrow. Although she had a gas BBQ grill all her cookware was glass and the coffee pot was electric. I loaned her some pots, pans and a Coleman coffee pot from camping. They could be used on a propane grill.

I grew up on a small farm in the mountains. After college, I was an automotive design type and moved a lot. Which was how I got to fish and hunt in so many places. At my last job, I lived in the western NC mountains on a dirt road. From the windows, I could see 8 to 10 air miles.

kyratshooter
09-20-2022, 09:25 PM
I often wonder how people live without a good cast iron dutch oven!

VNVET the lumber and materials sitting around that abandoned building look pretty fresh, it's painted, and all the windows are intact. It really looks like someone is using the place. There is probably a creek bed they are driving through to get there and leave no tracks.

VnVet
09-21-2022, 10:04 PM
I often wonder how people live without a good cast iron dutch oven!

VNVET the lumber and materials sitting around that abandoned building look pretty fresh, it's painted, and all the windows are intact. It really looks like someone is using the place. There is probably a creek bed they are driving through to get there and leave no tracks.

We have a good Dutch oven, an old Lodge. The wife prefers using cast iron to cook with if possible.

Agreed, the one 2x4 looks look pretty new as did the stone. OTOH, the stone was laid by the power company's work crew. The windows appear to be newer than the building.
The camera had a telephoto lens; so we weren't as close as the picture looks.
As it is in the Chattahoochee NF, it isn't there legally.

To get heavy equipment there, the work crew uses a tracked vehicle as a pusher to get equipment with tires up there as the grade is steep.

No creek beds that I could see, but I did see a spring. Here there are a lot of springs.
12103
We have 3 about this size on our property. Rock springs and I had them tested.

After the power company's crews are finished, we plan to go back and investigate in more detail. And, to gather free firewood.

Deimos
09-22-2022, 06:49 AM
I have some cast iron stuff. Some pots, a even a wok.
I also have an old school semi-portable (it can be moved around but it's heavy and cumbersome) wood stove.

VnVet
09-22-2022, 09:53 AM
I have some cast iron stuff. Some pots, a even a wok.
I also have an old school semi-portable (it can be moved around but it's heavy and cumbersome) wood stove.

I have a small wood stove in the addition. I've been trying to find a cast iron half teapot to set on it when we use it.

You reminded me, the remote cabin on the mountain doesn't have a chimney.

Another great tool for the kitchen is an Alaskan Ulu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulu
It is great for dicing onions or apples. It came with a hardwood bowl that matches the curve of the blade..
On the show "Life below Zero," Agnes uses hers to do almost everything from cutting fish for smoking to skinning animals.

crashdive123
09-22-2022, 10:50 AM
Ulu's are great. Here's my take on one (mine is sharpened on both sides rather than a chisel grind on one side).

https://i.imgur.com/JBTDrwq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/msnfweV.jpg?1

VnVet
09-22-2022, 09:01 PM
Does yours have a chisel grind or what type of grind?

When it comes to dicing or whatever; the Ulu is hard to beat. My Ulu came with a bowl that has the same radius as the Ulu. It makes scraping everything out super easy.
We made stuffed acorn squash. Cut them in half adding a small flat on the bottom. Then, fill them with a mix of white, brown and red rice with some homemade loose sausage.

My favorite method for an absolutely wickedly sharp edge is using 1000 or 6000 abrasive stones. The kit has guides at different angles 15, 17, 20 or 22. The results are similar to honing the edge.

crashdive123
09-22-2022, 09:22 PM
Does yours have a chisel grind or what type of grind?

When it comes to dicing or whatever; the Ulu is hard to beat. My Ulu came with a bowl that has the same radius as the Ulu. It makes scraping everything out super easy.
We made stuffed acorn squash. Cut them in half adding a small flat on the bottom. Then, fill them with a mix of white, brown and red rice with some homemade loose sausage.

My favorite method for an absolutely wickedly sharp edge is using 1000 or 6000 abrasive stones. The kit has guides at different angles 15, 17, 20 or 22. The results are similar to honing the edge.

As I said, mine is sharpened on both sides rather than the traditional chisel grind.

VnVet
09-22-2022, 09:52 PM
As I said, mine is sharpened on both sides rather than the traditional chisel grind.

I'm a retired mechanical design engineer; as a result I'm anal about everything. To avoid issues, I'm married to another anal mechanical design engineer.

https://lansky.com/files/cache/ddcf99491d94096d57986beee85d2c27_f1932.png

WolfVanZandt
09-23-2022, 01:28 PM
O.o

But what happens when y'all disagree about a design?!?

Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-23-2022, 05:25 PM
Only a single man (our soon to be) would ask that question.


Alan

VnVet
09-23-2022, 05:26 PM
O.o

But what happens when y'all disagree about a design?!?

That is something that hasn't happened. I was always mechanical; engines, transmissions, differentials etc. She was a contractor and worked on a lot of different kinds; some automotive, architecture and also worked for FN Fabrique Nationale. Her background is a lot more diverse than mine.

WolfVanZandt
09-24-2022, 01:02 PM
ROTFL! Touch.

VnVet
09-24-2022, 08:22 PM
Imagine a woman who knows more about M16s and FN's belt feeders than soldiers who use them? :lol:

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