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Rick
08-30-2021, 01:09 PM
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Rick
08-30-2021, 01:15 PM
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madmax
08-30-2021, 02:16 PM
RIP warriors.
crashdive123
08-30-2021, 09:08 PM
This did not have to happen. I am pissed beyond belief at this point.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-30-2021, 10:02 PM
None of it had to happen. I have ruled out incompetence. It is deliberate.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/08/these_reports_out_of_kabul_are_too_awful_to_believ e.html

Alan
Rick
08-31-2021, 08:20 AM
Giving up Bagram was one of the most egregious acts of betrayal ever perpetrated on the American people. The loss of so much equipment and cash and the loss of such a strategic position between China and Iran may come to be regarded as America's worst military blunder. It is hard to fathom how far we have fell in 8 months.
Phaedrus
09-01-2021, 09:44 PM
I'd say wasting 20 years in Afghanistan was a bigger betrayal of the country than leaving. Saddling future generations with the cost of a war paid for by putting it on the national credit card is treasonous.
crashdive123
09-02-2021, 05:42 AM
Leaving isn't the issue. I think that most are in agreement that it was past due. The manner in which we left, is what is troublesome. Leaving hundreds (probably a lot more than that) Americans along with thousands that were promised they would be brought out for helping the United States is criminal. The links below are just a few of many that every American should be PO'd about.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/just-bombshell-leaked-transcripts-reveal-biden-pressured-afghan-president-ghani-lie-taliban-advances-downplay-crisis/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/taliban-fighters-us-uniforms-throw-victory-parade-riding-us-military-equipment-us-guns-video/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/biden-effect-taliban-filmed-moving-captured-us-military-vehicles-left-behind-joe-biden-iran/
Rick
09-02-2021, 07:47 AM
When we leave Americans behind (over 2 dozen are American school children), when every allied country condemns how the pullout was handled, when every retired senior military official condemns how the pullout was handled, something is seriously wrong. The technology that was left behind will be a windfall for Iran, China and Russia. Now Blinken is talking about economic assistance to the Taliban! It's as if we set up a kidnap scheme in reverse. We leave people behind and we want to pay the ransom. It makes no sense at all.

And remember, we went there to wipe out an enemy that planned and executed the 911 atrocities from Afghan soil. We stayed far longer than we should have but that was the reason we entered the country.
madmax
09-02-2021, 11:41 AM
Well ****. One more person on my ignore list...
WolfVanZandt
09-02-2021, 01:27 PM
It's not the first time we did this. It's SOP for America. Remember T.E. Lawrence?

Phaedrus, some folks get rich off war.
crashdive123
09-02-2021, 02:26 PM
A non sequitur response. The debate regarding our getting in is different from the debate regarding how long we stayed, just as the debate regarding how we left are all different.
Rick
09-02-2021, 03:33 PM
We are given an either/or reason. Either we get out and everything that happened was bound to happen or we stayed and added more troops. That's called a strawman argument. It ignores all other options that were on the table, like a staged withdrawal. Like getting all our people out first. Like maintaining air superiority until WE were ready to withdraw. Like ... and the beat goes on...
Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-02-2021, 09:17 PM
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Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-02-2021, 09:18 PM
Well ****. One more person on my ignore list...

Yeah, the cuteness has worn off of that leftist crap.

Alan
WolfVanZandt
09-03-2021, 01:18 PM
Leftist/rightist...it doesn't really matter because we're not thinking with our brains, we're electing others to think for us.

You folks are acting like Biden did something stupid. He's far from stupid and he's not surprising me with his actions. They're consistent with his decisions throughout his career.

Crash, Biden has been in office the whole time we've been in Afghanistan and he's been a driving force the whole time. Why we left like we did is deeply meshed with how long we were there and why we were there to start with.
crashdive123
09-03-2021, 02:47 PM
Leftist/rightist...it doesn't really matter because we're not thinking with our brains, we're electing others to think for us.

You folks are acting like Biden did something stupid. He's far from stupid and he's not surprising me with his actions. They're consistent with his decisions throughout his career.

Crash, Biden has been in office the whole time we've been in Afghanistan and he's been a driving force the whole time. Why we left like we did is deeply meshed with how long we were there and why we were there to start with.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I was in favor of leaving. The manor in which we left was either stupid or deliberate (time will tell).

Not removing US citizens, Afghan allies (translators, and people that worked for us), and equipment and weapons before shutting down bases while we had air superiority and then the final would be the troops was, as I said either stupid or deliberate.

He lied to the American people about the threat posed by al qaeda, he lied to the US citizens that were in country about the threat al qaeda posed. He tried to convince the Afghan President to lie to the world about the rapid threat that al qaeda posed.
WolfVanZandt
09-03-2021, 04:23 PM
Where's the disagreement, Crash? I'm just not quite as uncertain about whether it was stupid or intended. And it's quite obvious time that Biden is lying, just like 95% of Congress is lying. And Fox is lying, and CNN is lying.

I've been watching these yahoos (throw Trump in there, too) since I was in college in the 70s - not the news, not the rhetoric - them.

So, y'see, I'm not a leftist or a rightist. I'm not a party follower of any kind. I don't like Biden and I certainly don't like Trump. I have a brain and I use it. And what I see is that the yahoos, all the yahoos, are going to destroy this country and it's exactly what they're trying to do.
madmax
09-03-2021, 05:34 PM
I hate Biden.
WolfVanZandt
09-03-2021, 05:54 PM
:)

I sorta got that feeling.
Rick
09-03-2021, 07:16 PM
I don't hate the man. I hate what he's doing to the country. I don't understand how people cannot look at the numbers posted by Trump and not want that for the country. They cannot make the distinction between the man and his performance. If Biden were turning in the numbers Trump did I would say, "Great!" Sadly, he isn't. He's doing the opposite of what Trump did and it shows. The Afghan refugees are being resettled in "Welcoming Communities", which just happen to be swing districts as are illegal aliens that are crossing our southern border. You're looking at Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and others where the Dems are trying to change the demographics to Democrat. They are hoping those refugees will vote Democrat and they are probably right. That's why they make no apology for what they are doing because they are banking there will be no impact in the 2022 and 2024 elections. Time will tell. This is planned. This is a very reasoned, thought out, well executed plan to turn the country Democrat and they are succeeding.
Rick
09-03-2021, 09:14 PM
We've done such a great job of vetting these folks. Child brides anyone?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2021-09-03/afghan-evacuation-raises-concerns-about-child-trafficking-2767246.html
kyratshooter
09-04-2021, 12:00 PM
Amazing how skillfully this tread was turned from a memorial for 13 service members murdered at the hands of Joe Biden, who fidgeted and watched his clock during the memorial service, into a profession of dedication and worship of the liberal cause.

Added to that is the inference of the superiority of the liberal leadership and the insinuation that if one does not agree they have a weak mind and have been manipulated. There is an underlying theme of concealing hate for conservatives with pity, for the lack of intelligence that keeps them from understanding.

If Biden is not stupid then he is doing these things purposely. That means this "genius" of long standing and great experience has committed mass murder. Murder is evil last I heard. Is it still OK to hate evil?

Stupid or evil? Sorry but those are the choices.

Hate is a strong word to the liberal. You can't hate, it is not allowed! Hate makes one a bad person"? Unless it is the hate toward a conservative, That's OK. It is OK to hate Regan, hate Bush (both of them), hate Trump, but no one is allowed hate Biden or speak in opposition to him.


This is the suspension of reality that dedicated Americans fear and dread. The moral decay that Crash referred too. The confusion of evil for good and good for evil. It is a political cause that breeds lack of reason just like the extremist Muslims hold too.

The next step, and the one that will cost us the most, is the elimination of the voting opposition through fraud at the poles, packing the voter rolls with purchased loyalty, or eliminating the opposition vote by persecuting the opposition party. They absolutely must have a one party system to put the complete agenda in place.

What they will call that I do not know but the official definition was given by Marx, their long worshiped leader and guide, almost 200 years ago. He called it the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

One party rule with all opposition eliminated or suppressed.

And BTW, they must have constant and continuing terrorist attacks to justify the controls that will be needed to accomplish their agenda.

That is why they left all the equipment.
WolfVanZandt
09-04-2021, 01:35 PM
I'd say "evil".

Kyrat, I've seen exactly one post on this thread that even looks a little like it's promoting a "liberal agenda". What the heck is your problem?
madmax
09-04-2021, 02:29 PM
Bull****. I hate Biden. I hate what he is. Evil bastard. Black eyed demon. Clear enough?
WolfVanZandt
09-04-2021, 06:28 PM
So, we agree. What are you going on about?
Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-04-2021, 07:45 PM
I knew each of those young soldiers.. not personally, but I saw them over the years. They'd come in the office as starry eyed seniors and say with great conviction that they had joined the military. I'd congratulate them and then they'd be gone. Some of them would come back after basic training, lean, fit and squared away like they never were in high school. They'd talk their deployments and what their jobs would be and then they'd be gone again. Fewer of them would come back years later and most often that sparkle in their eyes would be gone and there would be something else in there. Something that neither they nor I wanted to know about.

Each of those young soldiers in those 13 coffins and the thousands more like them that have come home that way, thought they were going to do important things. Service to their country. Many of them did exactly that. Many of them, regardless of what their hopes and dreams were, were sacrificed by their superiors for reasons that had nothing to do with honor or service to their country. That should not be. Our most precious resource is our youth who choose to serve their country. It should not be squandered.

This inept, moral and ethically deficient con man shake-down artist currently occupying the presidency, who has grown fat off the government teat for the past fifty years is in no way qualified to lead men, certainly not order them to their deaths.

I with Maxx on this one. I Hate Joe Biden. He is the embodiment of all that is Evil and Terrible in this country today. He is a leech on the American Taxpayer, a liar and a user.

Alan
Rick
09-04-2021, 08:10 PM
Just so we are clear. When I say I don't hate Biden, it has nothing to do with Biden. I don't hate anyone. Love the sinner not the sin. I abhor what he has done and to date everything he has done has been wrong. Everything. We are being led away from God, Democracy, the Constitution, and Common Sense.
madmax
09-04-2021, 08:46 PM
You are a better man than I, Rick.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
09-04-2021, 09:00 PM
I understand, I can follow your philosophy for most of humanity, but Joe Biden is out for Joe Biden and always has been. He's a fraud in every ounce of his being. He certainly has done NOTHING to warrant his current position. He didn't earn it, he was placed there and he knows it and everyone else does also. That in itself is no reason to hate him. The reason I hate him is because 1. He hates me and all I stand for because it is in direct contrast to his goals of self-serving narcissism. 2. He hates the United States of America. We The People were a tool to get him what he wants. Power. Since he is inept, he cannot build his own. He has to destroy something good to make his weakness look strong. In that process, of destroying every good thing that was done in the last 4 years, he succeeded in destroying the lives of 13 young soldiers (and more) to make himself look good. He only had to stand and look somber for an hour or so while what was left of their young bodies were brought home, but he had someplace else to be. He didn't, doesn't and never will give a rat's *** about anyone but himself. And you know that's fine. Be as selfish and self centered as a person wants to be. But DON'T be the President of the US. It is supposed to be a thankless, self sacrificing job of service to this country. The liberal, leftist DemocRats want it to be their kingdom.

I hate him for that.

Alan
WolfVanZandt
09-04-2021, 10:32 PM
I also agree with you, Rick. But it's probably for different reasons, as soon as we let hatred in, we're not in control any more. I don't like outside influences controlling me. Since this is a survival forum... it's bad survival ethic

Biden was one of the primary senators pushing for Desert Storm and when /he/ signed the order to bring our soldiers back home, he waved off the first part and took credit for the return. He's done it over and over.
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