So, how ‘bout that carona virus?

[madmax]

I agree with Alan. Healthy is the best defense against the virus. I believe everyone in the USA will eventually get it. In one form or another. Hopefully they'll come up with good treatments and vaccine for the high risk people

[rebel]

http://www.rt.com/usa/485572-michigan-seeds-sale-ban-coronavirus/

Some of the seed companies are restricting purchase to only commercial businesses.

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, Alan, I guess I'm next, but if this is the Corona virus, I've had a lot worse. The worse thing is my achin' back from laying on it all day. But I'll be here a while. My housemates are disinfecting everything behind me. I thank them for all the work. I guess as each one of them gets it I'll return the favor

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

There will come a time when you start to feel better. Watch out. It's a trick. After that it should be okay.

Alan

[BENESSE]

http://www.rt.com/usa/485572-michigan-seeds-sale-ban-coronavirus/

Some of the seed companies are restricting purchase to only commercial businesses.

This baffles my mind. (of course, liquor stores are deemed essiantial)

Just another bad decision by Gov. halfWhitmer (aptly renamed by Trump). AND she is being considered for Biden's VP along a few other female loosers. Klobuchar should have been considered but then I remind myself that I don't really care.

[WolfVanZandt]

LOL. Yeah, I know about the second wave. Thanks for the warning, though.

[LowKey]

Psst... you can buy seeds online....then the state doesn't even get the meager tax revenue.

[rebel]

Not at some seed places like Johnny’s seed

[LowKey]

Go elsewhere. I haven't bought from Johnnys (or Burpees) in ages.

[rebel]

It wasn’t about me finding seed. Just sayin something ain’t right.

[LowKey]

Yeah, that Governor ain't right...in the head.

[BENESSE]

He fell out of favor with me ever since Trump got elected, but on this, he is SO right. I am glad a liberal is speaking out for once about something that needs to be said. And it's what normal, reasonable people think anyway.

<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: verdana">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

[WolfVanZandt]

No, I wouldn't bet on it.

[Rick]

That does pretty much sum it up. Thanks for posting that.

[Rick]

https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/whoever-said-one-person-cant-change-the-world-never-ate-an-undercooked-bat-sign.jpg (https://www.shutupandtakemymoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/whoever-said-one-person-cant-change-the-world-never-ate-an-undercooked-bat-sign.jpg)

[Rick]

Another three minutes and I think I'm sterile. Wait, I mean...the virus is gone. Yeah, virus free. That's what I meant.

https://therooster.com/sites/default/files/styles/hero/public/man-men-sexual-satisfaction-sex-drive-libido-bright-lights-shining.png?itok=ct7hRxQS (https://therooster.com/sites/default/files/styles/hero/public/man-men-sexual-satisfaction-sex-drive-libido-bright-lights-shining.png?itok=ct7hRxQS)

[aflineman]

After they said all last week we were doing well, and on track for opening this month. Now we are not reopening the State until July 6th. County reopened the Court House last week. Same rules as Walmart and Costco. State is trying to tell them to shut down again. We shall see. I don't know of a single closed business who will still be able to reopen come July 6th.

[WolfVanZandt]

Colorado has been tentative about reopening. They set a date to reopen /if/ they feel that we've made enough progress. Unfortunately, I suspect they're being way too optimistic. They're waiting out 1) a vaccine that won't happen for, at the very best, a year, and 2) from medical services to catch up with the burgeoning case load...and they just aren't doing it.

I'm worried that they're going to run out of time and have to go the "run it's course" route and everyone is going to be so mad at the government for leading them on so long that there will be violence.

[crashdive123]

Maybe they'll open up when suicides out number CV deaths in the state.

[Phaedrus]

So far the tests are vaporware, we're really no closer to having enough tests than we were in Feb. Any attempts to return to some semblance of normality without broad testing capacity won't work.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Our part of Texas is like rats being let out of a cage.

New Orleans is just as busy as ever, about 25% of the people wearing masks but everyone is doing the SD thing to some degree.

We'll see how "Herd Immunity" thing works.

Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, I think it will be disastrous but I'm suspect that there's a real chance it will happen anyway. If that's true, then our best bet is the opposite of isolation... it's to learn how to deal with the virus at home and home nursing is a lost art.

But it is part of survival techniques...right?

[Rick]

Wow, sorry Phaedrus. I'm sorry you guys are short on testing. We have all sorts of testing going on in our state and more expanding all the time. We are lucky that we do have several top rated universities in our state and several big pharma labs that have all volunteered access. Maybe that's a difference, I don't know. That said, we have many sites throughout the state where drive through testing can be done as well. One hundred I think.

[Phaedrus]

Weirdly we have one of the top science and tech universities around but no tests. I'd say we have a fairly low amount of cases here but honestly no one really knows how many there are. We have a relatively low amount of deaths but of course, the biggest city in your state has almost as many people as my state. A big, nearly empty state does help slow the spread.

[Rick]

I went to the grocery store and when it came time to check out they had this big X on the floor where I was supposed to stand. No way. I've seen way too many roadrunner cartoons to fall for that one.

[kyratshooter]

Our new governor declared and executive order Monday that prohibited travel from, to, or through KY without a 14 day quarantine. He has gone power mad in a fresh faced, ivy league frat-boy, giggly sort of way.

It was struck down by a federal judge today. Apparently it would require the passengers of any airplane landing in KY to be incarcerated for 14 days, and no one could move through the state even if they did not get out of their vehicle.

You can easily travel through KY north to south in less than 4 hours, on I-24 in less than 3 hours and most vehicles do not even require a fuel stop.

The judge declared the order violated every constitutional statute regarding freedom of movement ever written and carried criminal civil rights penalties.

[Rick]

There are a few states I'm glad I don't live in right now. Some of them border mine. Seems the governors are playing kick the can with their brains.

[madmax]

I like our governor. So does Trump.

[Rick]

Me too, Mine too.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Our new governor declared and executive order Monday that prohibited travel from, to, or through KY without a 14 day quarantine. He has gone power mad in a fresh faced, ivy league frat-boy, giggly sort of way.

It was struck down by a federal judge today. Apparently it would require the passengers of any airplane landing in KY to be incarcerated for 14 days, and no one could move through the state even if they did not get out of their vehicle.

You can easily travel through KY north to south in less than 4 hours, on I-24 in less than 3 hours and most vehicles do not even require a fuel stop.

The judge declared the order violated every constitutional statute regarding freedom of movement ever written and carried criminal civil rights penalties.

We had that mandatory 14 day quarantine going on too. But only from specific states, Louisiana being one of them. It began in mid April and was lifted last Friday. Travelers from LA had to self quarantine in a location of their choice for 14 days or until they left Texas. Agents from the DPS would check on you to make sure you were there. Fines and/or jail time were the penalties for non-compliance.

I know I've harped on this before but China really needs to pay for this. It just keeps getting worse. Now there's animals with the virus and this new syndrome that kids are getting up to 4 weeks after exposure. China unleashed this Sh!t on the world. They need to pay for it, Big Time.


Alan

[Rick]

I try to be objective. I don't know whether this virus came from the wet market or escaped from a biolab. I lean toward the latter. I do believe it's naturally occurring and the Chinese might have been working on it for whatever reason. That said, their lack of transparency, secrecy and lies has caused global suffering. They owe the world a huge debt. What they did to their own people is unconscionable.

[pete lynch]

I went to the grocery store and when it came time to check out they had this big X on the floor where I was supposed to stand. No way. I've seen way too many roadrunner cartoons to fall for that one.

I bet you were shopping at the ACME market, eh?

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I think the wet market excuse is the same as the Benghazi attack was because of a video. China even tried to blame us for giving it to them. They were working on this thing and somebody left Pandora's box open. They are reporting no new cases, which is obviously a blatant LIE.

Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

Yep
I guess everyone is lying. Us included. Arkansas and the Dakota's resisted shutting down and they have some of the best outcomes on the Worldometer.

[Rick]

Best outcomes is a bit of a misnomer. If you don't test you don't have much to report. Arkansas has tested 65k. N. Dakota as tested 44K, S. Dakota has tested about 23k. Indiana has tested over 135K. Quite a difference. You also have to look at the geography involved.

Now look at China. A country of 3.8 billion people only has 100,000 cases. India, about half that. They also have 3.8 billion people. Right. I'll believe that. Sure. While the United States, a country with a population of 328 million has tested almost 9 million and is slammed for having the most infections in the world.

[WolfVanZandt]

Have you ever /tried/ to use an abacus?!

[WolfVanZandt]

Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it....huh? no I'm talking about politics.

[Phaedrus]

The US has only tested about 3 to 5% of the population last I saw, so we really have no idea how many cases we have either.

[LowKey]

We need an antibody test that is accurate.
Some people get this thing and never know they had it. All those people can go back to work.

Somehow in this past 2 weeks we went from not needing a mask, to mandatory masks in public or it's a $300 fine. It doesn't seem to be about flattening the curve either as our numbers are going down. It's more about not letting people go back to work.

The other thing that sucks is all the restrooms are closed. Had to travel 160 miles to a job site last week. Got into an argument with a gas station owner telling me I couldn't use the restroom due to Covid. I told him him I was more likely to catch the crabs than catch Covid in his restroom and left for the next wide shoulder on the road. TP. Don't leave home without it.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

It is certainly in the DemocRats favor to keep a heavy thumb on the economy. The American people aren't going to stand for much more though. I think even the news media is getting tired of reporting on "coronavirus". They need to be reporting on how we are going to seize all of China's assets to pay for this debacle.

Alan

[Phaedrus]

Dear Leader's lead butt will do the job of keeping the economy down. This entire mess didn't need to be occur at all. Given the soup sandwich of a response to this pandemic there's not much chance of getting out of this quickly.

[Rick]

The thing about testing is it's only good for the moment. 30 seconds from now or tomorrow I can become infected. So, if you want to be accurate you have to test everyone on a periodic basis. That's not realistic. We've tested 1.2 million people. I think that's pretty amazing for a little over 2 months for a brand new virus. We've developed a test that is accurate with a quick turn around and tested that many people in 2.5 months.

My verdict is still out on the antibody test until we figure out how long our natural immunity is to this thing.

We do need to re-open doing it in a smart way and monitoring the numbers. We can't stay closed forever. People have to live.

And now we have someone calling the response an "absolute chaotic disaster" as if his handling of a serious illness was any better.

[crashdive123]

Dear Leader's lead butt will do the job of keeping the economy down. This entire mess didn't need to be occur at all. Given the soup sandwich of a response to this pandemic there's not much chance of getting out of this quickly.

I'm curious. What do you think he has done to cause this. What has he done wrong and what could he have done better?

[WolfVanZandt]

Well that thing about huffing and injecting disinfectant is a rather arclight of a "wrong". What he could have done better is kept his mouth shut and let people that know what they're doing do what they do.

He has kept supplies from the states that counter his commands. Etc.

Several countries were already on it before is and time is a serious issue. Other countries already had tests and were willing to share but we had to develop our own tests.

And I don't know where you're getting that out tests are accurate. There are doctors all over the place saying that they have patients that they're sure has the Covid virus that have had a negative result. From what I've seen, our test had a 30% false negative rate.

[Rick]

This is from John Hopkins. They are not dismissing our testing only recognizing that some false results can occur. I think we all recognize that.

What are limitations to COVID-19 diagnostic tests?

With any diagnostic test, there is the potential for false negatives or false positives. For existing COVID-19 tests in the U.S., there have been reports of false negative tests in some patients. False negative tests can occur if a specimen was not properly obtained or if a patient was tested too early or too late in their infection. Laboratory error is also a possible cause of false negative test results. Conversely, false positive reports are less common.

[WolfVanZandt]

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/false-negative-covid-19-test-results-may-lead-to-false-sense-of-security/

That was just an answer to the test's "accuracy".

[Rick]

Here are some interesting comparisons. Check out China's numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[WolfVanZandt]

Aye. There are a lot of numbers in there that looks really sketchy. I'm having problems finding anything I feel I can trust.

[DSJohnson]

aye. There are a lot of numbers in there that looks really sketchy. I'm having problems finding anything i feel i can trust.

me too......

[Rick]

Check out who they are:

https://www.worldometers.info/about/

[WolfVanZandt]

Here's their sources.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news

[LowKey]

I'm sorta in "ok, we flattened the curve. Can we move on now" mode.
So over this crap.

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, we've flattened the curve at between 400 and 2500 new deaths in the US a day. And we aren't really ready for a relapse.

I'm just not so sure that we aren't just putting off the inevitable so I'm not going to say I disagree with you, LowKey.

Frankly, I don't know because we can't trust any of the information we're getting. For instance, how many people are dying because of the socio-economic backwash. How many communities have been split over surgical masks that do very little good. It's all a balancing act and I'm not so sure we've chosen the right balance.

But I don't have any knobs and levers at my disposal. I look at the people who do and just shake my head. I guess I'm just waiting for the air to clear, or for everything to crash and burn.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2020/03/09/trump-tweets-meme-himself-fiddling-drawing-comparison-roman-emperor-nero/bCkfnT7xVWQAatSOVjozkL/story.html

We're a survival forum. The "next piece" may well be what puts us through our paces.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I am still of the opinion, that while COVID-19 is a very real thing, it is still being overhyped by the liberal news media for political gain. Of course the liberal politicians are glad to play along.

Many of the questions that are coming up from the media are quite simply, unanswerable by a person interested in giving accurate information. "When will every person in the USA be able to be tested for the virus any time they want to be tested?" The only real answer is "uh, ... never".

"Should regular Americans have the same access to tests that the White House Staff that comes in contact with the President?" What kind of stupidity forms a thought like this our loud? Why not just ask if regular Americans can fly on AF1 any time they want....

That is what this president has to fight against in addition to a plague. He has to fight against half the US wanting him out of office and only that and they are using a disease that is killing people to do it, all the while lamenting that "people are dying"... Uh, yeah... and they are that while the DemocRats are fiddling.

Thanks be to God that we don't have to fight a World War because right now, the DemocRats would be on the side of the enemy for the only reason of getting Trump out of office.

Some twit on the TV today was saying we need more policy on staying at home, more policy on PPE, more policy on social distancing, more policy, more policy, more policy......

More Police State, less freedom, no rights.... Totalitarianism has killed many more people than the Coronavirus...


Alan

[rebel]

I am still of the opinion, that while COVID-19 is a very real thing, it is still being overhyped by the liberal news media for political gain. Of course the liberal politicians are glad to play along.

Many of the questions that are coming up from the media are quite simply, unanswerable by a person interested in giving accurate information. "When will every person in the USA be able to be tested for the virus any time they want to be tested?" The only real answer is "uh, ... never".

"Should regular Americans have the same access to tests that the White House Staff that comes in contact with the President?" What kind of stupidity forms a thought like this our loud? Why not just ask if regular Americans can fly on AF1 any time they want....

That is what this president has to fight against in addition to a plague. He has to fight against half the US wanting him out of office and only that and they are using a disease that is killing people to do it, all the while lamenting that "people are dying"... Uh, yeah... and they are that while the DemocRats are fiddling.

Thanks be to God that we don't have to fight a World War because right now, the DemocRats would be on the side of the enemy for the only reason of getting Trump out of office.

Some twit on the TV today was saying we need more policy on staying at home, more policy on PPE, more policy on social distancing, more policy, more policy, more policy......

More Police State, less freedom, no rights.... Totalitarianism has killed many more people than the Coronavirus...


Alan

That’s right

[Rick]

Who would not want the leader of the free world, regardless of who he is, to be tested every day? I have to agree with you Alan, the questions thrown at him are not ignorant, they are intent on malice. They criticized because the President and VP were not being tested and now they criticize because they are. This thing is reeeeeeal simple. If you don't think it's time to open the county...stay home. If you are in a high risk group...stay home. "But I have to go to work." Then apparently YOU value a pay check more than your health and I don't have any empathy for you. If you fear your job that much then go find another job.

[madmax]

I agree with you Rick on everything but that last part. We'll just disagree on the empathy and the get a new job parts

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, yeah, that paycheck is sorta base line in this society for the survival of a person and his family....die by Covid or did homeless and starving...what a choice!

It ain't that easy to just "find another job."

Furthermore, I agree about the DemocRats (heh, I saw what you did there). I just don't see that much difference (looking at their past records) from the Republicans. If I were a Democrat (I go by the individual, not the party) I surely wouldn't be able to take umbrage about "those lying Republicans" seeing who the DemocRats are trying to place in the White House. Fact is, I don't like being lied to, period. It sorta does something to my ability to trust a person. Throw in sexual misconduct (groping women that don't want to be groped sorta says something about a person's character, but maybe that's just me), corrupt business practices, voting for policy that demonstrably doesn't work over and over...nope, I don't like either of them and I reiterate, ya'll might get to put your survival skills into practice quicker than you expect.

[BENESSE]

The most important part of survival includes critical thinking and using one's brain. Choosing a lesser of two evils when there is no other choice is sometimes the only smart thing left to do. Acting on emotion under the guise of sticking to one's principles is not productive and it's amazing how many people just don't get that even though it's playing out every day.

[Rick]

All I'm saying is you have choices. What you choose to do in this life is in your hands. If you believe that strongly that going to your job puts you at risk then don't go. There was a gentleman in a meat packing plant that did just that. I respect that. There are consequences for not going back to work but there might be consequences for returning, too. The choice is yours. You have to do what you think is best. Just don't cry to me that you don't have any choices. That's all I'm saying. You do have.


https://www.theindychannel.com/news/coronavirus/tyson-employee-decides-not-to-go-back-to-work-at-logansport-facility-due-to-health-concerns

[BENESSE]

I agree Rick, that's what I was implying. Choosing a lesser of two evils is still a choice as is choosing a rock over a hard place. Not liking either and blaming someone else for it only makes one a victim.

[WolfVanZandt]

I agree fully with that, Rick. But usually it's not that cut-and-dried. Here in Denver, hiring practices are pretty foul so that people end up losing their jobs just when they have enough seniority to start getting benefits. Colorado is a right-to-hire state. Workers end up in the situation of quickly picking up what they can or joining the sizable homeless population. About a third of the people on the streets here are families and many of them have jobs that don't pay enough for housing.

Our society is built on principles that, over time, have made corrupt practices necessary. In other words, the only way we could make our society one that preserves individual freedoms is to take it apart and rebuild it. And that would be a tall order.

Usually, when people are shorn of basic freedoms, there is a revolution, but that's not historically a good thing. It usually turns out like the French revolution.

[WolfVanZandt]

I will almost guarantee that in the next election, most people will see only two options: Biden and Trump. And most won't like either. The two party system that we have isn't real (physically) but it controls our politics. It's part of the corruption in out system that shouldn't be there.

[BENESSE]

That's how it's always been, WVanZ, it's just that now it seems more toxic because the hate for Trump has eclipsed all reason.

[WolfVanZandt]

The way our voting system is supposed to work, you vote for who you want in an election and the person who gets the most votes wins. What often happens is that people vote for one person do the other won't win.

Why would that work. I've followed Biden and Trump for s long time and, although what they say is different (Biden has really changed his tune....last year) but their behavior over the years...their real positions have not changed and there's very little difference, so there's not really a lesser evil, they're both the same evil. Trump is just more blatant.

[BENESSE]

That's interesting WVanZ because I see them as very different, like night and day different.. I just go by issues and policy. At this point they both have a record regardless of what they said when. "Saying" is one thing, "doing" is quite another. I am not aware of a perfect (all around) candidate so I go with someone most closely aligned with my major issues. That's about all I know to do.

[Rick]

Yeah, night and day. I worry less about what a person says than what they do. Show me, don't tell me.

[WolfVanZandt]

Indeed, and they do the same things. They both support big business and ignore individual rights. They're both for though on crime policies that don't work. They both like private for-profit prisons. They're both anti-abortion at all costs. They've both supported videoed cases of police brutality. And they both think it's alright to sexually assault women. And on and on. They push for the same policies.

[BENESSE]

Virtually all big business was once small business started by hardworking ambitious people. They employ millions and give millions to charity. That's the beauty of this country and that's why more people want to immigrate here than any other country on earth.
Give me big business vs. big government any day.

[chiggersngrits]

Back to work yesterday after being off 33 days. Only about 100 of 400 back, but more coming in everyday as the Dentist offices open up and work comes in. Lots of new safety procedures.

[WolfVanZandt]

Big business and big government go hand in hand. The comparison is big business vs. the well bring of individual Americans. I've taken courses in investment lately. A common practice is to invest in some companies in the hope that they crash and burn. Actually, Trump has done pretty well with that sort of thing. It puts people out of work and other cool stuff. Big business creates big oil slicks in the Gulf that shuts a lot of industries down and big business and big government join hands to cover up everything they can. You'd have to go quite a distance back to see most of the big business today was small business, except for some of the computer companies which certainly have no moral high ground to stand on.

Which big business do you think would be a good model for us to follow?

[Rick]

Sorry Wolf, you need a few more lessons. You have as much opportunity to fulfill the American dream as Bill Gates, Elon Musk or anyone else did. You are only as limited as you allow yourself to be. You are welcome to point at others and blame them if you wish but the truth is the blame always stops at our own doorstep. Never blame someone else for our own falilings. That's not pointed at you but all of us. If you don't like government, get elected. If you don't like big business, create your own business and model it the way you think it should be modeled. That was my lack of empathy comment.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Most any business has a desire to grow, get bigger and ultimately become a "Big Business". Obviously, "Big Business" as we lump it together these days has been around for a long time in a progression since the industrial revolution.

It really is a necessary thing these days too. There are 7.5 billion human critters running around on the Earth, all expecting to be fed, clothed, medicated and entertained.... Mom and Pop shops can't do that, and evidently, we as a country can't do it either, right now. In my adult life I have watched American manufacturing be gradually shifted to foreign countries. Nothing wrong with that really until we get on the outs with that particular country or the SHTF... Then, it'sa problem...

Still, home gardens, farms, hunting, ... you know survival prep stuff... will keep you alive as long as you work it and defend it. But you're dealing hundreds of millions of people who don't know the first thing about doing that, don't care to do it and are VERY used to not having to really DO anything to get their basic needs or even their luxuries attended to. They really wouldn't think twice about taking from the "haves" by force of treachery.

So, Big Business is a thing, and it's really a good thing. It keeps anarchy at bay, and without a huge system of big businesses growing, processing, shipping, and selling the stuff of OUR basic needs, we would spiral into anarchy, and probably starvation...

As is pointed out early on in these very forums, survival is a temporary thing. If survival ever becomes a way of life, well, God help us.

Big Business is what keeps the grocery shelves stocked even when people go crazy and buy all the toilet paper.

Alan

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Big Government, on the other hand is the epitome of greed, sloth and covetousness. They do nothing, produce nothing and perform no service that small or moderate government could not accomplish much cheaper. They only take from those who produce and enrich themselves. They are allowed to grow and perpetuate by that group of people who expect to be "kept".

Alan

[rebel]

Big Government, on the other hand is the epitome of greed, sloth and covetousness. They do nothing, produce nothing and perform no service that small or moderate government could not accomplish much cheaper. They only take from those who produce and enrich themselves. They are allowed to grow and perpetuate by that group of people who expect to be "kept".

Alan

Like they’ve perfected the art of hypocrisy. We’re screwed.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Well, America needs to give Donald Trump the House and the Senate so he can continue draining the swamp for the next four years. The DemocRats have done nothing but thwart any progress in that direction.

Note: I don't particularly like Donald Trump as a person. But, he wasn't elected to be a nice guy. Primarily he was elected because he was NOT Hillary Clinton, and secondly because he was a good businessman (he did accumulate $10Billion, himself).

He'll get reelected in November Primarily because he is NOT Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, and secondly because he is a good businessman.


Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

Rick, that's one of the biggest myths that keep people trapped. If anyone can become wealthy, why is it that only 3 percent of the population in 2018 is worth a million or more. A billion? 1 in548,715. The American dream is for a very few and most started rich.

I'm not interested in being rich and I'm certainly not interested in doing the damage it takes to get there, but the dream of getting rich in America is, for most just that, a dream.

And I have no idea what you're talking about in relation to me fulfilling my dream. I already have and retired at 60.

[WolfVanZandt]

The problem with Trump as a businessman is that he made most of his money by buying businesses, destroying them, and salvaging what he could for himself. How many bankruptcies and bailouts has he had? And I'm afraid he will run the country like he's run his businesses.

[crashdive123]

The way our voting system is supposed to work, you vote for who you want in an election and the person who gets the most votes wins. What often happens is that people vote for one person do the other won't win.


Not true at all. Important to remember that the electoral college is there for a reason. If not for that two or three states would decide national elections.

[crashdive123]

Rick, that's one of the biggest myths that keep people trapped. If anyone can become wealthy, why is it that only 3 percent of the population in 2018 is worth a million or more. A billion? 1 in548,715. The American dream is for a very few and most started rich.

I'm not interested in being rich and I'm certainly not interested in doing the damage it takes to get there, but the dream of getting rich in America is, for most just that, a dream.

And I have no idea what you're talking about in relation to me fulfilling my dream. I already have and retired at 60.

I believe you answered your own comment when you said "I'm not interested in being rich...". Many feel the same way and for different reasons.

[Rick]

You answered your own question, Wolf. "I'm not interested in being rich". That's why 6.21 percent are millionaires. 7.6 million households. That's a seven percent rise by the way.* No one wants to do want it takes to become one yet a lot of people are willing to chastise them for having the work ethic to to do it. As for Trump running the country, I can stand for a lot of that. The numbers speak for themselves. I wish other politicos would pay attention and learn something.

Well said, Alan.


* https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/investing/T006-S001-millionaires-in-america-2019-all-50-states-ranked/index.html

[WolfVanZandt]

Crash, you're right that it's nowhere as simple, but that's why a lot of people don't vote. They don't think their votes does any good.

Seems you're right about the American Dream, though.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012616/what-american-dream-2016.asp

So, I've been giving all these reasons that neither Trump not Biden should be president with little to no argument.

So why are ya'll supporting Trump?

[WolfVanZandt]

What numbers Rick?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

When half the country liked you and half doesn't, how's that good. It's about what just about every other president has done.

[Rick]

Record unemployment across all sectors, record employment*, record stock market, 12,000 factories in the last three years, replacing NAFTA with USMCA, signing a $2B trade deal the China, requiring UN partners to increase their share of contributions, energy independence, one of the largest tax cuts and reforms, we became a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957, got rid of the Iran deal, signed a deal with the EU to increase U.S. exports, strengthened our borders. Should I keep going?

* I won't quibble about the term 'record'. Most are while others are the first time in decades.

[crashdive123]

So, I've been giving all these reasons that neither Trump not Biden should be president with little to no argument.

So why are ya'll supporting Trump?

No argument because this isn't the place for it. I'm voting for Trump because he has done what he has promised to do (unusual for a politician to keep promises) and the reason that I voted for him. He is doing exactly what I want him to do. For far too long conservatives have just "taken" it.

His stances on things like trade, the economy and illegal immigration have been consistent. Listen to his interview with Oprah from 1988.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

[WolfVanZandt]

First, he said he wouldn't run. But on a more serious note, he said we need friends. Who's our foreign friends.

[WolfVanZandt]

But, what is this thread about? Oh yeah. The Corona virus. What's gonna happen next year when it comes back?

I would hope that the virus has made it clear that survival is an everyday activity. Everyday survival may not be as intense as survival in a crisis but the crisis is why it's everyday.

Big out bags and bug in bunkers are just tools and the may not even be there when you need it. The necessary tools are a fit body and mind. Prepping should be about building personal Independence and the ability to handle and repulse attacks from our environment. That has to be an ongoing effort.

That's what our answer to Corona 19 should be.

[BENESSE]

I am certainly voting for Trump for all the reasons Rick and Crash mentioned. His vision for the country closely aligns with mine and his accomplishments confirm he can get it done even under the most corrupt opposition.

As far as friends, what friends?! We hardly had any to begin with. UK for sure, but the rest were just enjoying our money and willingness to go along to get along. Glad that has stopped, glad a leader is finally putting his country and people ahead of anyone else. A patriotic president...what an outrageous notion!

[BENESSE]

The necessary tools are a fit body and mind. Prepping should be about building personal Independence and the ability to handle and repulse attacks from our environment. That has to be an ongoing effort.

That's what our answer to Corona 19 should be.

I agree. And may I add that national prepping should also be about the same things especially independence from predatory countries.

[WolfVanZandt]

Aye, like Russia and North Korea.

[Cliff Booth]

Rick, that's one of the biggest myths that keep people trapped. If anyone can become wealthy, why is it that only 3 percent of the population in 2018 is worth a million or more. A billion? 1 in548,715. The American dream is for a very few and most started rich.

I'm not interested in being rich and I'm certainly not interested in doing the damage it takes to get there, but the dream of getting rich in America is, for most just that, a dream.

And I have no idea what you're talking about in relation to me fulfilling my dream. I already have and retired at 60.

I think you’d be surprised how many millionaires are first generation.


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[BENESSE]

Historic US Space Launch today!
Private sector.
Self starter.
Billionaire.
Immigrant.
Only in America.

So proud.

[Rick]

T-Minus 18 minutes. Watching at Nasa.gov XXXXX they scrubbed the launch due to weather. Blah. Launch rescheduled for Saturday at 3:22 pm Eastern.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

The pressure is really on not to screw this up.

Alan

[crashdive123]

I was looking forward to the launch. Not sure if I'll see the re-scheduled launch. I should be on a small boat in the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

..... I should be on a small boat in the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday.

Now, you have my attention. Space ship launches come and space ship launches go, but fishing trips are another thing....

Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

I guess it's like the transporter in Star Trek. You gotta break some eggs before you can get it right.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/23/808645524/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-killed-in-crash-of-homemade-rocket

Yeah, I'm rooting for the space cowboys.

[Herron]

So the UK is having a lockdown this Monday. I wonder what does the government wait for declaring a curfew already. It could simply solve both of their problems... I wish we could have a similar approach to the European people. I mean my mother locked herself up in her SPAM Jail since the outbreak started and she says that everyone in their neighborhood behaves like that. They don't go outside as long as there is no something very urgent and important appears and don't need a curfew at all. But here, unfortunately, it's always a matter to discuss.

[13JFO]

I guess it's like the transporter in Star Trek. You gotta break some eggs before you can get it right.

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/23/808645524/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-killed-in-crash-of-homemade-rocket

Yeah, I'm rooting for the space cowboys.

(hi, new guy who's lurked)

That poor man had to have known he was going to die in that contraption. Rooting for Elon Musk though. Might be one of the only good things that happens all year.

[WolfVanZandt]

Aye, we really need something positive after the start of this year.

[Colossus]

With the US pandemic surging again, I just don't know what the federal government is doing or are they doing anything at all to stop this virus.

[Rick]

And that bothers you in Glasgow, how? Lagha. Or as we say over the pond. Bye bye. :stupid:

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Why, just today I saw federal agents out on the highway stopping the virus. They had them spread eagle against the cars. They were doing a pretty darn cool job of stopping the virus.

Alan

[crashdive123]

It would be nice to have accurate numbers. In the past week (these are all Florida stories) a story came out that clinics (many, but not sure how many) were only reporting positive test, and not negative test results. That makes it look like the state has a much higher positivity rate (percentage wise) than it really has. These clinics were reporting a 100% rate vice a 6% rate in testing. Another story was that all tests that were positive, even those that were re-tests to verify if an individual was still positive. The story tracked a few individuals (five I think) that accounted for 25 reported positives for the state.

Ever since the RNC announced that it would be coming to Jacksonville next month it has been non-stop "the sky is falling" stories and actions that I believe are intended to get the convention cancelled.

[Rick]

Yeah, all these folks protesting things haven't impacted those numbers at all. I mean, golly gee. It has to be those GOP folks holding rallies, right?

[crashdive123]

Funny how much of the media is not reporting the comments of the head of the CDC when he said South Florida is seeing a large spike because so many of the people from NY, NJ and MA are going to South Florida to get away from their own hot spots and that the protests and riots have had a large impact on the spikes. I guess it doesn't fit their narrative.

[WolfVanZandt]

Heh, a local post explained differences between local health reports and federal by saying that, if a person with Covid died in a car accident on the way to see their doctor, it would be counted by the federal organization as a Covid death.

[crashdive123]

Guy that died in a motorcycle crash counted as a covid death. The logic? Covid could have caused him to crash. SMH

[DogMan635]

It was reported today in the news, on the virus inspections lines, a vehicle entered and information was taken down. But some could not wait and left the line before a test was performed completely. Creating two positive-test results. They also noted that there was no standard in place when someone moves out of the line. Also, they noted the mess handling of test samples. They had noted many infractions of the quality of inspections performed.
For real up-to-date information go to CoronaVirus.gov/ It's been handed over to the governors to complete all four phases in there own states. When on the site go down to the USA MAP and click on your state.

http://coronavirus.gov

The president is going to be holding the end of day VIRUS Conferences. Starting today at 5:30 PM 07/21/2020

My point of view as for schools and fears not how questions are written in a way by the union to get a no answer. Why not look at double sessions 30-kids classes would be cut to 15-giving spacing. Understand the Unon wants trump out of office, so they are not going to cooperate.

[DogMan635]

FOr what it's is worth this Corna is a new bug. The flu bug in size in 1,004 and Corna is .03 supper small and the first known bug germ to go inside a woman to infect the baby. Even HIV a mother could have HIV and the baby was born without HIV. This Corna is so so NEW and we are still learning.

I like Dr. Fauci, and he is funny at times as his way of thinking is numbers, laboratory. What he says is correct. But is it practical? What would you think if they said 16-foot distances would be safer? because the virus is so small and can stay alive and move fast in a passing wind.

But can we do this practically?

Understand TRUMP was told he was talking too much and turned over the return program to the GOVERNORS and some I'm sorry to say could but find their buts with both hands. Creating more issues and failure to act. Now everyone wants TRUMP to fix it. SO he has returned. But understand this Virus is a UNKNOW and there is no quick fix. The weak, if not protected can end up being cut from the herd. SO we have to step up and be responsible and wear mask correctly. do the responsible things doing so will save lives. Not doing so or acting irrespirable will cost many more lives.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

What is costing lives is PEOPLE not behaving responsibly. We all know that all the laws, regulations and restrictions mean NOTHING if people don't comply. If it was raining fire and brimstone there's about half the population that would go outside and look up at the sky.

Alan

[Rick]

Wait. Just how hard would it be raining fire and brimstone? 'Cause I've never seen that. And if a bugle blows just before, well, then I am for sure not going out but if it's just fire and brimstone I might sneak me a peak. A fellah might only get to see that once.

[Rick]

Actually, I don't wear a mask. I rely on social distancing.

https://to55er.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/fat_man_thong_stairs.jpg (https://to55er.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/fat_man_thong_stairs.jpg)

[WolfVanZandt]

Eh, but some of just don't have the right....uh equipment.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Sometimes once is waaaaay to much!

Alan

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I am waiting until page number 32 shows before I open this thread again....

Alan

[crashdive123]

Nice boots.

[Rick]

Thanks. New hat, too.

[DogMan635]

President Trump Safety NEWS MEETING ON Corona Virus today with the EXPERTS at 5:30-PM EST.

[kyratshooter]

I hope he is not wearing a hong!

[BENESSE]

Hell's bells, I knew it was a matter of time!
Wish we had a vaccine for that, Rick.

[crashdive123]

Looks like he's lost some weight during the lockdown.

[BENESSE]

Not enough :sneaky2:

[Rick]

It has been years, years since that pic has been posted. There have been a lot of new members join...I mean spammers that needed running off....yeah, that's what I meant, spammers. (And she didn't even compliment me on my boots. Now that is hurtful. Then again, maybe she didn't even notice my boots.)

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[kyratshooter]

Things are getting serious fellows.

The supply chain is becoming seriously compromised.

I just got my copy of American Rifleman and for the first time in years they do not have the normal page of Harbor Freight coupons.

No free flashlight or screwdrivers for me this month!

[Rick]

You know, we hung around in life to get the discounts and the freebies! We did our bit and now it's time we collect. FEDEX, USPS and UPS use my house as a coffee shop. If they start pulling that crap they WILL see some serious protests. I have no idea how many seniors it would take to pull down the Modern Head sculpture or some of that other crap they call art but they seem to forget most of us own 4 wheel drive vehicles and tow chains. Lots of tow chains.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzdvvQRUwAA-FMz.png (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzdvvQRUwAA-FMz.png)

[kyratshooter]

Neighbor got her riding mower stuck in the bog at the back of her lot. She called her boyfriend over to get her out.

Too steep and too wet for any of the trucks.

Boyfriend says "We need tow chains", and comes to my door.

I say "How many do you need?"

I get out the chains, the straps, and the portable winch, he seems bewildered.

I let the young guys stretch the straps and chains from the road in front to the stuck mower in back. They did all the pulling from the paved road using the winch hooked to his trailer hitch.

Neighbor looks at her boyfriend and says "When you grow up will you have 150 feet of tow straps?"

My lane is filled with old guys with power tools, car lifts, welders, milling machines and such, accumulated over our lifetimes. We spend most of our time roaming the countryside looking for the elusive "senior discount" and free coffee.

[Rick]

Since we are limited with what we can do now, I have taken up napping roulette. I have no idea how long naps will be. It could be 20 minutes. It could be one hour. It's anyone's guess. I always write my time down on a piece of paper and if I'm close to the time when I wake up, I reward myself. For example. I wrote down 18 minutes this afternoon. I slept 43 minutes. I consider that pretty darn close so I rewarded myself with a trip to the fridge. It's a dangerous game but we're men, right?

[WolfVanZandt]

It's fair recompense. Seniors
....there when you need us!

[BENESSE]

You never know but the young 'uns just might surprise you by being there when you've fallen and can't get up.

God works in mysterious ways.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I decided to go ahead and get an antibodies test at my last Dr. visit. Got the results back on Thursday, or was it Wednesday or Tuesday,.... anyway, I'm double stacked with antibodies with a score of 19.5, whatever that means. They say anything over 2 is good. #1 wife had a 6. Still wearing the mask though. Humana sent me some really cool (they're actually hot) masks that can be washed up to 30 times or more.

So, I just had to brag a bit.

Alan

[Rick]

I keep telling my kids they are going to have to change my diapers in the near future. Picking me up will probably be a God send to them considering the other. Of course, knowing them, they will drag me down the stairs...feet first. Did I mention there are 12 stairs?

19.5 of whatever sounds like a great number to me, Alan. When I was in school there was more than one test I would have been happy to have scored a 19.5 on. Just sayin'. Earthquakes, probably not so much.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

When we were house hunting, if it had stairs, I didn't even get out of the truck.

I'm probably not going to make it to the diapers stage. I needed two 1x4s 34" long today so I climbed the ladder to get to the scraps that I had placed up in the shelf out in the shop. I got all the way up and the d@mn thing started walking on me. I almost took a ride on the gravity express. A six foot fall onto concrete is going to really hurt.

Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

Benesse, I hope so.

[LowKey]

If I had the Corona virus, it's dead now. Thanks Rick.:blink:

[Rick]

I am here to serve, sir. I consider it a public service. If there is anything I can do, just let me know. A front view perhaps?

[BENESSE]

I am here to serve, sir. I consider it a public service. If there is anything I can do, just let me know. A front view perhaps?

A brilliant idea to help the LE out. Low cost, high concept.

Potentially most effective crowd dispersal technique to date. Wear it in public and watch 'em run.

[Rick]

I'm...uh...I'm going to take that as a compliment. 'Cause I'm sure that's how you meant it....I think.

[BENESSE]

Of course it's a compliment considering you are so dedicated to public service, and all.:innocent:

[Rick]

That's the ticket. Mom, apple pie and the American way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6gzVSXYAAAyKA.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6gzVSXYAAAyKA.jpg)

[WolfVanZandt]

Not to mention George C. Scott. Waitaminit, that's not Gerge C. Scott!

[Rick]

Well, I'll swan. That there is Elvis. Ain't you got a velvet Elvis? Ever body got a velvet Elvis. What kind of a man cave have you got ifin you ain't got a velvet Elvis? Purdy obvious you ain't attractin' no ladies to your man cave ifin you ain't got no velvet Elvis. That's all I got ta say about the matter.

[BENESSE]

Maybe he is more of a bulldogs playing poker kinda guy?

[Rick]

Yeah, there's that I guess.

[WolfVanZandt]

I'm most definitely a bulldogs playing poker type of guy. I'd tell you what I think of Elvis (which ain't bad but falls way short of adoration, but I get in trouble when I tell people what I think of Shakespeare, too) but I'd probably get banned. (You know he wasn't the first to make Blue Suade Shoes a hit, right?)

[kyratshooter]

Nope, Carl Perkins wrote Blue Suede Shoes, and Big Mama Thornton recorded Hound Dog 4 years before Elvis.

Perkins was one of Elvis' buddies at Sun Records, (was part of the famous million dollar quartet) and lived in Jackson, TN, about 30 miles east of Memphis. Perkins made more money off the royalties of Elvis than he made on his own recording of BSS.

Perkins stayed rock-a-billy while the rest of the Sun Crew went either pop, country or R&R.

The Beatles claimed that if there had not been a Carl Perkins there would have been no Beatles and they recorded several of his songs. The Stones said the same about Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters.

Big Moma Thornton remained bitter for the rest of her life, claiming that Elvis had stolen her song, when Hound Dog had been a delta blues standard for decades already.

Those guys(Elvis, Cash, Wayland Jennings, Perkins) were all "cover artists" and recorded old standards as well as having a troop of writers feeding them hits. A lot of the songs they rejected were picked up by other artists and turned into hits. Take Me Home Country Roads was written for Johnny Cash.

It did not make them any less good.

[WolfVanZandt]

You sound like an aficianado Kyrat. Cool.

I've heard several of the early blues artists do Hound Dog.

Frankly, (and, I guess, perversely) much of my favorite Presley music is his movie songs.

[kyratshooter]

Not really an Elvis fan, never was too much. He was too pop for my tastes as time went on.

Its more like a fan of the history of blues and early rock & roll. I lived down the road from "The Col." when I was young and my life was saturated with the growing music trends. They were headline news where I grew up in Nashville. Sun Records sold off many of those contracts to bigger firms, some of them in Nashville.

I also lived down the road from Flat & Skruggs and my back yard backed up to the Carter Family estate, I went to school with Mama Maybelle's grandchildren. Like I said, it was a music saturated life.

My vacation last year was a trip down the Great River Road, following the route the pioneers took floating their crops to market in Natchez and new Orleans.

At Memphis I jumped to the east side of the river and visited Graceland, Sun Studios, and got on the Blues Highway and drove through the Delta down to Natchez. On the way I diverted to Greenville (Mississippi John Hurt), Indianolia (BB King home place), and places between. Went to the crossroads, laid a quarter on Robert Johnson's tombstone at the Zion Church.

Glad I did now. This virus has put a stop to much of my travel planning this year.

[WolfVanZandt]

Cool. Aye, I meant "aficianado of modern music."

:)

[Rick]

Dang, we had some schools open last and had students and teachers test positive the very first day. Ain't lookin' good. Schools are alternating in-class one day and virtual learning the next but I think it's going to be all virtual before it's all said and done. What a sad state of affairs. I told the kids I was going to board up the windows and leave shooting ports. I was only half joking.

[kyratshooter]

The more they test the more they find, and the more they find the more they discover that their test is showing antibodies developed as resistance.

Immunity developed after fighting off the disease is showing positive with no symptoms.

Only they won't admit it. They need those positive test results to maintain, and get us used too close controls.

[WolfVanZandt]

I ain't gonna disagree.

[Phaedrus]

The more they test the more they find, and the more they find the more they discover that their test is showing antibodies developed as resistance.

Immunity developed after fighting off the disease is showing positive with no symptoms.

Only they won't admit it. They need those positive test results to maintain, and get us used too close controls.

If "they" won't admit it how'd you find out, from the Illuminati?

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, there are some troublesome folks out here that can do math and when things "they" say don't add up, we think for ourselves. That is, after all, what survivors do, right?

[crashdive123]

Well, there are some troublesome folks out here that can do math and when things "they" say don't add up, we think for ourselves. That is, after all, what survivors do, right?

Yep. Well said.

[chiggersngrits]

Well, there are some troublesome folks out here that can do math and when things "they" say don't add up, we think for ourselves. That is, after all, what survivors do, right?

good one Wolf

[nell67]

Well, there are some troublesome folks out here that can do math and when things "they" say don't add up, we think for ourselves. That is, after all, what survivors do, right?
....(++1)....

[MosheMarshall]

When the coronavirus pandemic was in full swing, I wasn't worried about my health at all. Because I am a young guy with good health and I don't have any chronic diseases. I knew that even if I get sick, I can recover quickly.

[Rick]

And munching that spam will help get you through it as well.

[unitedgoblins]

When the coronavirus pandemic was in full swing, I wasn't worried about my health at all. Because I am a young guy with good health and I don't have any chronic diseases. I knew that even if I get sick, I can recover quickly.

Same here. Because I have always worked on maintaining good health. I try to keep mine in good shape too. Ever since I started on Fulvic Ionic Minerals (https://www.optimallyorganic.com/products/water-extracted-fulvic-acid-x350) I’ve noticed my nutrient absorption is way better. Also, I think my immune system works better, but I can't say for sure. Anyway, I haven't been sick for a while, maybe also because I do sports. But in general, I can already say that I’m getting more out of my meals, and my digestion seems to work better. And last but not least, I noticed that I feel a bit more energized, managing to do more things in a given day.

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