So, how ‘bout that carona virus?

[Rick]

We got dewormed every spring. I have no idea what was in that bottle but I'm certain it killed worms. It damned near killed us. We also received an occasional dose of mineral oil and orange juice. I'm not sure what the orange juice was added because no matter how hard you shook that mixture it always separated. We must be a lot tougher than this younger generation because the weak ones back then surely died from home remedies.

[Rick]

I don't know how many saw the President's speech yesterday but Google is working on a website that will allow you to input your symptoms then tell you if you should be tested for the coronavirus. If YES then you will be able to drive to a Walmart, CVS, Target or Walgreens and be tested in the parking lot and receive the results in 24-36 hours. Drive through testing. I thought that was pretty innovative thinking. Google has some 1400+ programmers working on the website and it's supposed to be up and running shortly. There is supposed to be another announcement Sunday so we'll see.

[Cliff Booth]

Give it up Cliff. I'm hopeless. I lived through imminent crispy critter death of the Cold War, the mind bending 70's, Y2K, then the Rapture left me behind, Obama, and now this exponentially deadly disease.... I ain't fraid of nuthin, ceptin that curly headed woman in the TV room....

I hope you're wrong Cliff. Gloom and Doom is the pits...


Alan

I'm really not doom and gloom. I have no bunker. I have about the same amount of food in my house as I always do. The only prepping I've done was get ahead of the rush on gloves, masks, and distilled water, all of which I need for work.

This isn't the apocalypse, but it's going to have a very real impact on our lives. Hopefully it's nothing more than a temporary inconvenience and a very small number of people getting seriously ill.

[Cliff Booth]

I don't know how many saw the President's speech yesterday but Google is working on a website that will allow you to input your symptoms then tell you if you should be tested for the coronavirus. If YES then you will be able to drive to a Walmart, CVS, Target or Walgreens and be tested in the parking lot and receive the results in 24-36 hours. Drive through testing. I thought that was pretty innovative thinking. Google has some 1400+ programmers working on the website and it's supposed to be up and running shortly. There is supposed to be another announcement Sunday so we'll see.

They have a bomb-defusing robot that's going to roll out to the parking lot to administer the test.

But in seriousness, very encouraging to see private enterprise stepping up to the plate.

[nell67]

Aye. They had a laxative called "black draught". It was advertised as "mild". If it was mild, so is strychnine. There were some terrible things back then to help cure hookyitis.

Here the laxative was Fletcher's Castoria, whew, that was bad. And The Vic's Vapo rub on our chest with a towel heated in the oven laid over top of it before bed at night.

[nell67]

We got dewormed every spring. I have no idea what was in that bottle but I'm certain it killed worms. It damned near killed us. We also received an occasional dose of mineral oil and orange juice. I'm not sure what the orange juice was added because no matter how hard you shook that mixture it always separated. We must be a lot tougher than this younger generation because the weak ones back then surely died from home remedies.

Mineral Oil and orange juice... They used to suggest that remedy to women to try to induce labor. That's some powerful $h!t right there.

[Rick]

I see what you did there.

[WolfVanZandt]

My father used to use Vaseline on his hair. His hair didn't turn gray or white, it looked like glass fiber so, when he put Vaseline on it, it was black again.

He ran out of Vaseline once and decided to use mineral oil. Turns out it works just as well absorbed through your scalp as by mouth.

[nell67]

My father used to use Vaseline on his hair. His hair didn't turn gray or white, it looked like glass fiber so, when he put Vaseline on it, it was black again.

He ran out of Vaseline once and decided to use mineral oil. Turns out it works just as well absorbed through your scalp as by mouth.
I hope he was close to a facility when it kicked in.

[WolfVanZandt]

Aye, he was at home, but he spent quite some time in just one room for the next couple of days.

[BENESSE]

I don't know how many saw the President's speech yesterday but Google is working on a website that will allow you to input your symptoms then tell you if you should be tested for the coronavirus. If YES then you will be able to drive to a Walmart, CVS, Target or Walgreens and be tested in the parking lot and receive the results in 24-36 hours. Drive through testing. I thought that was pretty innovative thinking. Google has some 1400+ programmers working on the website and it's supposed to be up and running shortly. There is supposed to be another announcement Sunday so we'll see.

I watched it and was very encouraged. Hope they can pull it all off with lightning speed because we'll need it. Wouldn't it be great if for once the whole country--the government and private sector united for the greater good of the country?

[BENESSE]

Not surprised how popular this doctor got:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/retired-uk-doctor-becomes-youtube-sensation-for-coronavirus-advice/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlyvt9n_QE

[Rick]

Very informative. I had never seen him or his vids. Thanks for posting.


In other news....

Chuck Norris contracted coronavirus and now the disease has been quarantined for 14 days.

Chuck Norris' tears are the vaccine for the virus but he has never cried so they can't be used.

[rebel]

lol, no. You gotta....http://https://nationalfile.com/report-indians-drinking-cows-urine-bathing-in-dung-to-cure-coronavirus/

[Cliff Booth]

lol, no. You gotta....http://https://nationalfile.com/report-indians-drinking-cows-urine-bathing-in-dung-to-cure-coronavirus/

In more promising news they are learning that anti-malarials may stop covid19’s replication process.

That’s a cheap, easily produced drug that even the poorest countries have on hand. Could be a huge break.


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[Phaedrus]

That would be good news, Cliff!

[Rick]

And...gin and tonic isn't all that bad! :stuart:

[zedsdead]

Remember, listen to your Government. They know best. They're not foaming at the mouth imagining controlling the masses over a new flu.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Reading an article on Fox News this morning. A nurse in Colorado got the CV and made this statement about the symptoms....

“We got back and my muscles ached, my bones ached and my joints ached really bad,” Merck said. “It felt like someone was stabbing me with an ice pick ..."”

“I felt really short of breath, I felt very fatigued,— whenever I stand, I feel like I’m going to faint.’”



I'm thinking, "Shoot, I've had the CV for ten years now!"


Alan

[JohnLeePettimore]

And...gin and tonic isn't all that bad! :stuart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4VNr6R0S4

[BENESSE]

Please take a listen on what meds are OK to take under what circumstances. Also, this doctor has Youtube posts daily as things develop around the world and it's really useful to follow to try to make sense of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWo5lmWuZI

[BENESSE]

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOSwYGhmnwo

[LowKey]

What good, exactly, is a shelter-in-place order if you're not coordinating the effort with the surrounding states?
https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/san-francisco-bay-area-counties-issue-shelter-in-place-order/

Coincidence this is Pelosi's constituency?
(Remove that if too political.)

[nell67]

Whew, The Kentucky Derby has now been postponed until September, Keenland has been canceled. Kentucky, and Louisville in general will be raising taxes to cover for the lost revenue. Except they have shut down all in dining restaurant and bars for at least three weeks, possibly as long as 8 weeks, depending on how this is playing out at that time. So, no green beer this year, unless you are DIY.

[LowKey]

Never found green beer to be a necessity to party on St. Patrick's day. Actually, I kind of avoid it.

[Rick]

St. Patricks Day has been ruined for me for a long time. Several years ago I had a female employee tell me she had dyed a part of her anatomy for St. Patrick's Day. I told her that was waaaay too much information to be sharing with her boss. St. Patrick's Day has made me a bit ill ever since. I can't get that memory out of my head.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I've got a lot of Irish blood in my veins and I've certainly done my part in keeping my kinsmen from ruling the world, but, even in my most inebriate, needful state,

I would not "Go Green"!


Alan

[nell67]

I've never had green beer, and avoid it and anything to do with St. Patrick's day since my kids were little, and their dad decided he was going out with his co-workers for green beer after work one year. He never gave me money to buy groceries or buy diapers for the babies, and we had two in diapers at the time. It was HIS money, and he was the one who would spend it how he saw fit. I reminded him that we had not bought groceries yet, and we needed diapers so don't spend too much money.


He swore that he was only going to go drink one beer an then be home before 6, and when he finally showed up around 11:00. I was livid. I had reheated supper so many times trying to keep it hot so he could eat when he got home and was standing there rewarming it yet again when he walked in. I could tell he was drunk, and he had driven from Louisville, 30 miles to get home, VERY drunk. He walked in with a big grin on his face, that did not last long when I turned around and he saw just how pi$$ed I was.

I knew he had no money left. But I asked him if he had kept grocery and diaper money and he laughed and said he had no money left, but that I could pull money out of what I had hidden, he knew I had money hidden somewhere,he was still grinning while he was talking about my hidden money. I didn't work with three small kids, I would pay more in daycare than what I was making when I did work, so we had agreed that I would stay home until they were in school, but he never gave me anything more than the change out of his pocket when he cashed his check, there was no hidden money.

When he told me to calm down, he almost wasn't fast enough when his favorite coffee mug crashed behind him against the door. I slammed the cabinet door I had opened to get a plate for his food, but grabbed the mug instead when he opened his mouth, I told him less than politely to never EVER tell me to calm down again, shut the stove off and went to bed. and the whole time I could hear him ranting about how it was HIS money and he'd do what he wanted to with it. I reminded him that I knew his social security number and that he was going to need two more jobs to afford the child support if HE didn't SHUT UP.

[nell67]

St. Patricks Day has been ruined for me for a long time. Several years ago I had a female employee tell me she had dyed a part of her anatomy for St. Patrick's Day. I told her that was waaaay too much information to be sharing with her boss. St. Patrick's Day has made me a bit ill ever since. I can't get that memory out of my head.

Rick, I heard a joke(?) once about a young female (early twenty's) who was brought into the ER of a hospital very i'll and in much abdominal pain. She had purple hair, multiple piercings and she also had dyed that part of her anatomy green. Above the area was a tattoo of a small lawnmower and the words "Keep Off the grass" beside the mower.

It turns out, she is suffering from appendicitis, and was rushed into emergency surgery. Several hours later when she woke up, she lifted the sheets to see the surgical sight. On her stomach beside the mower, the doctor had written a note of his own. " Sorry, I had to mow the Lawn".

[crashdive123]

Now that right there is funny. Gotta love a doc with a good sense of humor.

[WolfVanZandt]

I loves stories, telling them and hearing them. My favorite teaching method is sharing stories. But I have a weird quirk

Folks stop their story when the point is made, but I'm never satisfied. I guess Paul Harvey and I have the same affliction.

So Nell, did he ever figure it out?

[WolfVanZandt]

Keep in mind, we're still in cold and flu season headed into allergy season. Don't you know that's throwing gasoline on the fire.

I was with one of my housemates the other day shopping when I sneezed. I threw my hands up and shouted, "It's allergies!" The woman next to us was amused.

[BENESSE]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11964&stc=1

[Rick]

You are one bad kitty.

[rebel]

Maybe businesses should stop the sales. My almost 90 yo in-laws want to go for things on sale.

[nell67]

I loves stories, telling them and hearing them. My favorite teaching method is sharing stories. But I have a weird quirk

Folks stop their story when the point is made, but I'm never satisfied. I guess Paul Harvey and I have the same affliction.

So Nell, did he ever figure it out?

No, he never did. He never went out to a bar again, to my knowledge,but the sad thing is, I did. I learned that he was a sorry SOB, that would never change his ways regarding money, He learned that from his mother. He had little regard for being an upstanding citizen when it came to paying for things that mattered with his money, like bills, food (thank God I was raised a country girl and could fish and clean game animals to feed my kids, rabbit, squirrels and fish made a huge part of our meals as was whatever vegetable I could grow in the limited space available when you rent), diapers of course (and he was dead set against cloth diapers), generally anything that most men and women would feel an obligation to do, he did not.

I learned early on that if I left him, he would never pay child support for his kids, he had a son by another marriage that he stopped paying support for, changing jobs frequently and paying his support just enough to keep the courts from garnishing his checks. Until about 1993, he had finally accrued enough back support that When he showed up for yet another contempt of court hearing, they gave him three options pay his arrears before leaving court, go to jail, or sign his rights away. Guess which option he chose? Guess what the magic number was to break the heart of a little boy? $1200. His obligation per week was $35, and he was too selfish after a couple of years of us being married, to make sure that little boy didn't go without. His son wasn't worth spending a few days in jail. His son wasn't worth giving up his tax check for.

There were many more times that he saw my temper, but after I bought a pistol, every time we'd fight, he'd grab the pistol and take off claiming he was just going to kill himself. And he'd stay gone all night. I never once called to cops to go find him. He was too chicken. I finally sold my gun because I hated my kids being subjected to that crap, although I'm not sure they ever figured out what his purpose was in taking off with the gun.

My kids know their father, something his oldest son does not, he was three years old when $35 a week was too much. And I hate the choice I made for my kids.

I did eventually leave him after our kids were out of the house. And now he is in the Philippines married to a girl one year older than our daughter, and has two more kids. And he has been close to getting a divorce at least once already.

And that's only part of the story, just a few of the many lows (in my best Paul Harvey voice).

[WolfVanZandt]

And how are you and your kids?

[Phaedrus]

This looks to disrupt things for a long time! Many schools have announced the remainder of the school year has been cancelled (or changed to distance education). My employer has us working from home at least til May, perhaps longer. I work for a nonprofit and it's likely that we'll continue to be paid for however long this lasts. My brother and sister both work jobs that are considered by their employers to be critical or essential, so they're probably okay unless things get Italy-level bad.

Stay safe everyone! Wash your hands and avoid the madding crowds.

[Cliff Booth]

This looks to disrupt things for a long time! Many schools have announced the remainder of the school year has been cancelled (or changed to distance education). My employer has us working from home at least til May, perhaps longer. I work for a nonprofit and it's likely that we'll continue to be paid for however long this lasts. My brother and sister both work jobs that are considered by their employers to be critical or essential, so they're probably okay unless things get Italy-level bad.

Stay safe everyone! Wash your hands and avoid the madding crowds.

Wouldn't be shocked if there are some major shutdowns announced this weekend.

Sounds like there are already a few cases of some fairly young people getting into serious condition. I hope they publicize that kind of thing to keep these college-aged kids from doing any more damage.

If they do a shutdown... there's an incubation period of about 4-6 days. So some people will be staying home, but will still get sick. Then they'll probably wait a day or two after developing symptoms, praying it's something else. Then go get tested. Test takes 6 days. So that likely means we won't see a reduction in numbers 2 weeks in. So we might tack on another two weeks. A whole month of lockdown is going to be really rough on the old economy.

[Rick]

I saw pictures of Clearwater, Florida yesterday and spring break was going on as usual. The beaches were packed. One guy said there are no door handles on the beach. Brilliant. Invincible folks being really dumb.

[Cliff Booth]

I saw pictures of Clearwater, Florida yesterday and spring break was going on as usual. The beaches were packed. One guy said there are no door handles on the beach. Brilliant. Invincible folks being really dumb.

Sorry about your lungs, Grandma. I just had to get my drink on.

[madmax]

Crescent Beach, FL has spring breakers coming in by the van load. And I mean van LOAD. Young and indestructible. Until they arent.

[BENESSE]

I saw pictures of Clearwater, Florida yesterday and spring break was going on as usual. The beaches were packed. One guy said there are no door handles on the beach. Brilliant. Invincible folks being really dumb.

As with everything of consequence one learns the hard and often painful way. Young and old alike. We (esp. on this forum) weren't born this way; it's school of hard knocks combined with learning from others' mistakes that makes a lasting impression. Someone who has lived through the great depression and the ravages of WW2 is foreever changed and maybe something positive will come out of this pandemic as well.

[BENESSE]

I am blown away with what a differencee a week makes. Only a week ago I ordereed TP from Amazon (just in case) and was able to still buy Clorox and Lysol wipes. Now it's non existant and it has occured to me for the first time that we need to be more mindful w/ the use of TP as well as paper towels. Yesterday I bought the last box of Tylenol only because it was placed under the "arthritis" sign as opposed to "pain relievers". That shelf was empty of anything acitaminophen related. Everywhere.

Yesterday I got an e-blast notification that a neighborhood hardware storee had gotten a batch of hand sanitizers and are selling them at cost for $9.99/8oz and 6 to a customer. I ran out and bought 6 (just in case) and let my neighbor know who also went out and bought some. The stores said 2 weeks ago they'll be restocking the stuff that flew off the shelves but they haven't yet. Not in our hood in Manhattan.

Today we have made up our minds to really stay in and not go out into the stores unless we absolutely have to. Hard to maintain 6' distance when shopping and waiting in line. Walking in the park is still great, thank God we have it just a block away. I havee never seen the city bee so empty of people and cars in the 32 years we've lived here. Kind of nice, kind of spooky--like a doomsday scenario come to life.

[WolfVanZandt]

I walked over to Fiddler's Green yesterday to take some photos of the statues there. The traffic was sparse but there were a lot of people out walking. I'm be never seen so many happy, friendly people around here.

Maybe we oughta have this corona thing more often...uh, I guess we will.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if there's a spike in new cases after spring break.

[rebel]

Think I’ll go get some cash before they close the bank.

[BENESSE]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11965&stc=1

[Cliff Booth]

Crescent Beach, FL has spring breakers coming in by the van load. And I mean van LOAD. Young and indestructible. Until they arent.

A good portion of them very well may be indestructible as far as COVID-19 is concerned. The problem is they act as carriers. The more people walking around the virus the higher the chance that Grandma with emphysema gets it and dies, likely after occupying up a hospital bed some other patient desperately needs.


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[Rick]

Our bank closed the lobby last Tuesday. Drive up and ATM only. I just happened to have gone to the bank last Friday so I'm good for a while. Still have online access too.

[rebel]

Same here. Lobby closed but, drive through was open.

[crashdive123]

The FL Gov has temporarily shut down several beaches that are popular for spring break. I would imagine that as these people that think their right to party is more important than somebody else's health will migrate to other beaches. Those will probably get shut down as well. The Gov's statement was ---- your party is over. Go home.

[madmax]

The state campgrounds closed. But tons of spring breakers remain.

[rebel]

Y’all keep ‘em. Put them to work.

[BENESSE]

A good portion of them very well may be indestructible as far as COVID-19 is concerned. The problem is they act as carriers. The more people walking around the virus the higher the chance that Grandma with emphysema gets it and dies, likely after occupying up a hospital bed some other patient desperately needs.


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Well that's about to change and there's a rude awakening about to hit the clueless. They are not so invincible as they were led to believe so if they didn't care about infecting grandma they'll care about their own self-absorbed hide.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/20-year-old-coronavirus-victim-was-told-no-need-to-worry-by-doctors/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=coronavirus&utm_content=20200319&mpweb=755-8703922-720512843

[BENESSE]

The FL Gov has temporarily shut down several beaches that are popular for spring break. I would imagine that as these people that think their right to party is more important than somebody else's health will migrate to other beaches. Those will probably get shut down as well. The Gov's statement was ---- your party is over. Go home.

The Gov should have thought about it BEFORE they showed up. If the bars and restaurants and the liquor stores were closed it wouldn't have been half as much fun showing up. Now, after rubbing elbows with their fellow snowflakes, they'll go home and pass it on to their elders. Smart thinking all around.

[crashdive123]

The Gov should have thought about it BEFORE they showed up. If the bars and restaurants and the liquor stores were closed it wouldn't have been half as much fun showing up. Now, after rubbing elbows with their fellow snowflakes, they'll go home and pass it on to their elders. Smart thinking all around.

Those things are all closed and have been. There is no accounting for the entitled class and the stupid. Mrs. Crash and I went for a walk on one of our favorite beaches (skipping the gym that we usually hit 4 times a week) where we walked five miles and only saw 2 other people. We have always planned our outings to avoid too much human contact. Now more than ever.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Gas in San Antonio $1.70 and dropping.

Alan

[rebel]

http://https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/03/california-governor-issues-stay-at-home-order-to-40-million-as-coronavirus-spreads/?utm_source=quayle&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook
Every state might as well go ahead and do the same right now.

[madmax]

Kelly and I are doing some home maintenance for a few days then getting back out to the fresh air and few people. Maybe a multi day river trip. Also going to see if we can stock up some old (er) farts with grub so they dont have to expose themselves.

[Cliff Booth]

Agreed. No need to fool around with half measures and stretch this thing out longer. Go all in now and hopefully we can get back to work quickly and get that economy back on it’s feet.

In the meantime, if you’ve got some spare money.... whoo baby you’ll be able to get some stocks at close out prices right after they announce a shutdown.


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[kyratshooter]

Curb your optimism Cliff, this is just the first wave.

Historically plagues sweep through on a first wave, then after the population is exhausted they mutate slightly to avoid the immune resistance that has built up and the second wave is the one that kills the most.

The second wave usually hits about when everyone thinks it is all over.

Then they repeat for two-five years before they wipe out their host population and have only the resistant left. As some of the survivors grow older they develop those diseases that the plague thrives on and it turns into what we consider the "normal" death rate only because the % of dead made up of the aging or already sick.

That is why the deaths from the "common flu" are accepted to the point that more than half our nation refuses to take a flu shot.

[Cliff Booth]

Curb your optimism Cliff, this is just the first wave.

Historically plagues sweep through on a first wave, then after the population is exhausted they mutate slightly to avoid the immune resistance that has built up and the second wave is the one that kills the most.

The second wave usually hits about when everyone thinks it is all over.

Then they repeat for two-five years before they wipe out their host population and have only the resistant left. As some of the survivors grow older they develop those diseases that the plague thrives on and it turns into what we consider the "normal" death rate only because the % of dead made up of the aging or already sick.

That is why the deaths from the "common flu" are accepted to the point that more than half our nation refuses to take a flu shot.

The peak of this thing is predicted to be end of April early May. Need to get things under control before then. This thing likely swings back through in the Fall, but that's a ways off. We'll have time to prepare. PPE, quarantine units, ventilators, and hopefully effective drugs.

[nell67]

Those things are all closed and have been. There is no accounting for the entitled class and the stupid. Mrs. Crash and I went for a walk on one of our favorite beaches (skipping the gym that we usually hit 4 times a week) where we walked five miles and only saw 2 other people. We have always planned our outings to avoid too much human contact. Now more than ever. So I suppose a wolfpack gathering this year is out of the question?

[BENESSE]

Any time I'm feeling low, I look up to Kyrat to cheer me up.

[BENESSE]

Getting bad in NYC.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11966&stc=1

[Rick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6KbS9y2KnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6KbS9y2KnI)

[Rick]

I asked Arnold where he found the toilet paper and he told me.

"Aisle B, Back."

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/033/208/cover4.jpg (https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/033/208/cover4.jpg)

[Rick]

I've got my plan down for the rest of the quarantine. I'm going to sleep until I'm hungry then eat until I'm sleepy. I've been working on it for a couple of days now and it seems pretty solid to me.

[crashdive123]

In other news.........all of the neighborhood lawns and yards are looking good.

[rebel]

Sure would be nice to stop repetition without the stink-eye. Ie. gotta get my hair done because it’s Friday. Any suggestions,

[WolfVanZandt]

I just get my electric shears out and buzz away.

[rebel]

I just get my electric shears out and buzz away.
That’s what I’ll do. Come here MIL. Yea right.

[nell67]

Yea, you know it's serious when you invoke the MIL.

[crashdive123]

Just got my haircut. Hope I don't get sick, but at least I won't be shaggy. I use the barber on base. There is usually a long wait. Not this time.

[Rick]

It's hair. My life is not worth a haircut. If I have to braid, so be it.

[crashdive123]

Evidently you use the wrong barber.


https://cdn.acidcow.com/pics/20100419/sexy_hotcut_barber_shop_in_poland_06.jpg

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I would imagine there would be quite a bit of wait time for that particular chair.... and make sure the barber cuts only one hair at a time...


Alan

[Rick]

I'm gonna go back in time a bit. I just read the articles.

[madmax]

No way that's the barber on base chief.

[crashdive123]

No way that's the barber on base chief.

You'd have to be a Chief to know.

[BENESSE]

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[BENESSE]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11968&stc=1

[nell67]

Benesse, you'll look like that if you let your sister talk you into letting her cut your hair too. Especially if she doesn't know how to cut naturally curly hair...

[nell67]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11968&stc=1

The first person to be diagnosed in my county was sent home to self quarantine last week. They passed away at home yesterday.

[BENESSE]

The first person to be diagnosed in my county was sent home to self quarantine last week. They passed away at home yesterday.


So heartbreaking! Apparently, this is what's going on in Italy.

Here's today's most recent update from Dr.. John Campbell about what's happening in the world. God help us all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTTn3RSm6c

[LowKey]

God only helps those who help themselves.
I think most of the crowd here on this forum has that part down.
Everyone at work spent the whole day Friday panicking as states started closing borders. I was going around making sure everything was put away, stored properly, and put the machines in full shut down or maintenance mode in case we got the word this weekend not to come back in, while they all ran around with their hair on fire. They thought I was weird for not worrying about food, paper towels and toiletpaper (well... I am a little worred about the TP... but the yard hasn't been raked of leaves yet...)
It would be for the best if the whole country went into lock down right now, or those people in the states already locked down are gonna be at it for a much longer time and they will panic.
Two, maybe three weeks, then hit the re-boot button.
Hopefully they don't wait too long to do it.

[crashdive123]

So heartbreaking! Apparently, this is what's going on in Italy.



It is. Many seniors are not being treated. Their socialized health care system is prioritizing who to treat (rationing), which means many seniors are being left to die.

[rebel]

It is. Many seniors are not being treated. Their socialized health care system is prioritizing who to treat (rationing), which means many seniors are being left to die.

Yep, triage. The young get priority unless you got money.

[BENESSE]

With limited resources, which, btw we are facing all over the country, how do you make the hard choices?

[Phaedrus]

There's rationing here too except instead of being determined by age it's determined by wealth. Hopefully our self-quarantine can flatten the curve so that doctors in the US don't have to make hundreds of daily decisions over who will live and who will die.

I have a friend on another forum that's in Italy. She's scared, and things are very very bad there. Her message is not to waste time. Italy ignored it early on like we tried to do, and when they realized the gravity it was already too late. There's talk of mass graves and authorities haven't been able to remove bodies from homes in a timely fashion. Some have there for days.

I am going to just stay home! I'll go out for supplies occasionally but I have food, meds, fuel, water, etc sufficient for a few weeks at least, longer if I ration them. My employer is having us work from home. The one thing that's been a sanity saver is getting out to the woods. I'm in Bozeman, Montana so I'm ringed by mountains and forests. The weather is getting nicer so at least I can get a break my four walls.

Good luck to everyone!

[BENESSE]

Don't know about any of you but God forbid, I'm in the dire straits, I'd try anything that could possibly work, anecdotal (according to Anthony Fauci) or not.

In my opinion there are too many instances in COVID-19 cases where it did work so why not go for it? I agree with Trump here and I have always believed in the patient's right to try. Especially when you consider the alternative.

Another compelling story:
Florida man with coronavirus says drug touted by Trump saved his life (https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/)

[BENESSE]

And even better, as confirmed by Dr. Oz on Fox at 7:10am--a combo of 2 drugs. (see graph in the article)
This article was published on March 19, but the study was done earlier. The results are amazing if only the US can get the drugs readily available everywhere.
" the results showed that while hydroxycholoroquine was effective on its own as a treatment, when combined with azithromycin it was even more effective, and by a significant margin."
https://news.yahoo.com/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-151255085.html

[rebel]

Check out the video

http://https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/hospitals-in-spain-collapsing-infected-have-to-lay-on-floor-no-beds

Dang

[rebel]

And even better, as confirmed by Dr. Oz on Fox at 7:10am--a combo of 2 drugs. (see graph in the article)
This article was published on March 19, but the study was done earlier. The results are amazing if only the US can get the drugs readily available everywhere.
" the results showed that while hydroxycholoroquine was effective on its own as a treatment, when combined with azithromycin it was even more effective, and by a significant margin."
https://news.yahoo.com/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-151255085.html

Yea, get it out there

[BENESSE]

Reb, couldn't open it.

[Rick]

We have got to teach you how to post links.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/hospitals-in-spain-collapsing-infected-have-to-lay-on-floor-no-beds

[Rick]

I wonder if those were patients waiting to see a doctor since later in the vid there are a number of patients sitting in chairs.

[rebel]

I see that. The video was taken at a hospital in Spain. People laying on the floor coughing because of the lack of beds.

[rebel]

Thanks Rick

[Rick]

Either way, I would not want to be one of those patients. It's obvious the facility is overwhelmed. Who knows if that is an overflow from the emergency room or an overflow from an overflow.

[kyratshooter]

Kentucky just shut down all "nonessential" retail activity. Grocery stores, gas stations, repair shops and liquor stores are the only thing to remain open after 8 pm tonight.

I have been warned, by what I consider a reliable source, that his job will be taken over by the National Guard in 2 weeks. It has already been decided, but not announced.

We are about to go into the "isolation enforcement stage" as the illnesses increase.

My stupid neighbors are mowing their lawns with gas they may need to plant those same pampered areas into veggie patches in a few weeks.

[Cliff Booth]

I would be careful with this anti-malarial drugs. A few people in Nigeria are dead from overdose. If you’re really sick, I’m sure you can sign some kind of waiver and get the doc to administer it, but I wouldn’t attempt to handle that yourself.


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[WolfVanZandt]

I'm also skeptical about the antibiotic. Viruses don't usually respond to antibiotics and their overuse is one of the reasons we're in this mess anyway.

You know who will be hurt by this? Small businesses. Amazon, Walmart, and Wells Fargo won't go down. If it looks bad for them, they'll be bailed out.

That woman who died in isolation? I wonder if anybody was there helping get or if they were all quarantined or social distancing. It's not the socialized medicine that killed her.

There was a post on the statistics Reddit about s project yo predict when 90% of the world population will have been touched by a personal tragedy because of the virus. It occurred to me that, at this time, I don't know (personally) a single person who has been diagnosed with vthe virus, but my whole generation before me was taken out by cigarettes. Priorities.

[crashdive123]

Israel is sending millions of doses of the anti-malarial drugs to the US.

[BENESSE]

In Nigeria, they were self administering and they overdosed. These drugs have to be given under Dr's care and monitored.

If you are quickly deteriorating and these drugs were your only option to stay alive, I'd ask...what do you have to loose?

[crashdive123]

Additionally, they have been used for many, many years. Granted, maybe not in these combinations, but if it was me I would want the chance if it came to that. Right to try was fantastic legislation that was passed a while back.

[WolfVanZandt]

Well, your life.

Viruses are not living organisms. They're active chemicals that can link into cell machinery and copy themselves.

Anti-parasitics like antimalarials are rough drugs because they have to kill things that are very much like our own cells. They're poisonous to the malarial pathogen and they're poisonous to us.

If they're attacking the virus, they're doing it indirectly.

Most of the people on this board will have no permanent harm from this virus but a lot of the behaviors I'm seeing will not only kill Grandma, they're going to kill society.

[BENESSE]

@WVZ....For me it's a no brainer. If I am facing certain death without the drugs or a shot at recovery with them, I am going for that shot. I'll take any chance no matter how low if it gives me a chance of recovery.

Of course we are all different but I hope the decision of having a shot at life is left to us not some govt. people.

[rebel]

Hey B, a few years ago y’all visited family out west if I recall correctly. Any thoughts about leaving the city?

[Cliff Booth]

I'm also skeptical about the antibiotic. Viruses don't usually respond to antibiotics and their overuse is one of the reasons we're in this mess anyway.

You know who will be hurt by this? Small businesses. Amazon, Walmart, and Wells Fargo won't go down. If it looks bad for them, they'll be bailed out.

That woman who died in isolation? I wonder if anybody was there helping get or if they were all quarantined or social distancing. It's not the socialized medicine that killed her.

There was a post on the statistics Reddit about s project yo predict when 90% of the world population will have been touched by a personal tragedy because of the virus. It occurred to me that, at this time, I don't know (personally) a single person who has been diagnosed with vthe virus, but my whole generation before me was taken out by cigarettes. Priorities.

Overuse of antibiotics is a very serious problem but is not in any way related to this zoonotic virus.


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[Cliff Booth]

@WVZ....For me it's a no brainer. If I am facing certain death without the drugs or a shot at recovery with them, I am going for that shot. I'll take any chance no matter how low if it gives me a chance of recovery.

Of course we are all different but I hope the decision of having a shot at life is left to us not some govt. people.

If you are facing certain death it might be too late. It’s my understanding that it doesn’t actually kill the virus, just stops it from replicating. So you’d preferably want to get on it fairly soon when your symptoms started getting severe.


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[Rick]

This is what I'm shooting for this month. Crash will probably win. Yeah, I have low self-esteem.

https://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/non-essential-employee-of-the-month.jpg (https://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/non-essential-employee-of-the-month.jpg)

[Rick]

I think I have a plan worked out. In place of a C95 mask, I'm going to use the hong. That should kill any and all life forms, terrestrial or alien AND it should ensure social distancing. I just love it when a plan comes together. That's a win/win. Well, for me.

[WolfVanZandt]

Benesse, in that case maybe, but I would bwant better information than what's on the Internet. Are you in a high risk group?

Cliff, why do you think that?

[Cliff Booth]

Benesse, in that case maybe, but I would bwant better information than what's on the Internet. Are you in a high risk group?

Cliff, why do you think that?

Think what?


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[nell67]

I think I have a plan worked out. In place of a C95 mask, I'm going to use the hong. That should kill any and all life forms, terrestrial or alien AND it should ensure social distancing. I just love it when a plan comes together. That's a win/win. Well, for me.

Are you saying that you are not a life form, or is not self detrimental?

[WolfVanZandt]

Actually, I know how you know. That was a dumb thing I said about the virus resulting from a misuse of antibiotics

[crashdive123]

Worth a watch/listen. https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/breaking-news-promising-treatment-covid-19-how-quickly-can-we-prove-it-works?video_id=6144038054001

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I think I have a plan worked out. In place of a C95 mask, I'm going to use the hong. That should kill any and all life forms, terrestrial or alien AND it should ensure social distancing. I just love it when a plan comes together. That's a win/win. Well, for me.

I think that probably has the potential to start a new epidemic of some sort...

Alan

[madmax]

Well I just lost breakfast.

[LowKey]

I think this guy is competing with Rick and his hong.
11969

I just got riffed this morning. All Massachusetts "non-essential" business have been shut down. Taking 2 week vacay then possibly unemployment depending on how long this lasts. This is far far worse than the crash in 2008. At least then we could still work, with work-sharing, and were still getting a 4 day paycheck. Wonder if the local grocery is hiring.

[rebel]

I read that 30% unemployment is possible for the second quarter. Might have to consider extended families. Like the Waltons.

[BENESSE]

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from "Miffed" to "Peeved."
Soon, though, level may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. The virus has been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued "A Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada. The Scotts have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's Get the Bastard." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

They are all in my thoughts and prayers.

[BENESSE]

I think I have a plan worked out. In place of a C95 mask, I'm going to use the hong. That should kill any and all life forms, terrestrial or alien AND it should ensure social distancing. I just love it when a plan comes together. That's a win/win. Well, for me.

This time it might kill you too. We all barely survived as it was.

[rebel]

We got you B. C’mon down to the south. We grow year around.

[rebel]

Going to get real ugly, thousands of NYPD are out sick.

[BENESSE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ2_2ZxkVN0

[Cliff Booth]

Still way too many people in denial. We’re not China. We’re not Italy. We’re not Spain. We’re not NYC.

We are a big country and certain areas likely won’t feel much from this at all for awhile. But most of the areas that aren’t in bad shape are just earlier in the timeline. I wished we’d just rip off the bandaid and do a 2 week shutdown nation wide. A lot of people do not seem to be taking these local measures very seriously.


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[Rick]

You are going to have to be quarantined but you have a choice. A. You can be quarantined with your wife and kids or B....

B. I'll take B. Definitely B.

[WolfVanZandt]

Get out the bored games.

:)

[rebel]

I haven’t been bored. I planted 200 olive trees this week. 100 to go. Planted onions this morning. I need to prep for more garden space for squash, cucumbers and beans.

[Cliff Booth]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0325-coronavirus-hopkins-social-distancing-20200324-b75k465kdfcq3jt235mr7uzaba-story.html


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[Rick]

While I'm stuck at home I've decide to start working out. I've decided to start doing sit ups. I did a half of one when I got up this morning and I'll finish it when i go to bed tonight. Gotta start somewhere.

[BENESSE]

Get out the bored games.

:)

Bored, who's bored?!
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11970&stc=1

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Welcome to Earth, Virus Fighter!

My nephew's wife, COVID-19 assessment unit Midland Hospital.

https://i.imgur.com/adgOL5D.jpg


Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

I'm not going to say anything about people with too much time on their hands. We all have plenty of time on our hands now.

I have a good hobby, though, people on the trail are taking the "social distancing" thing to heart.

[madmax]

While I'm stuck at home I've decide to start working out. I've decided to start doing sit ups. I did a half of one when I got up this morning and I'll finish it when i go to bed tonight. Gotta start somewhere. I get out of my lounger at least twice a day to pee.

[Rick]

My Lazy Boy is electric so I can't claim it. Of course I do have to reach for the button so there's that.

[randyt]

I'm essential services, first time in my career

[Rick]

Me too. I keep the mailman, the water dept., the sewer dept, the power company and the sandman employed.

[LowKey]

I'm finding out what retirement might be like. Except for the phone calls from work. Hey, if you didn't need me there, maybe you don't need to be calling me twice an hour either. Hard to tune up the boat motor with the phone always ringing. Sheesh.
I'd be digging up more yard for garden, but we got snow on Monday and it is not melting. Tossed a bag of old crusty potting soil over the main garden that is half prepped for spring planting (the other half in the shade is still a bit soggy.) Maybe that will work to melt it off. Onions seedlings are sitting in the cold frame waiting to go in the ground.

[rebel]

Took a break from planting and tilling. Caught a little bass. Released him. Nice day. The wind is keeping the nats away.

[BENESSE]

Took a break from planting and tilling. Caught a little bass. Released him. Nice day. The wind is keeping the nats away.

Dang, Reb! Sounds like a distant dream to me.

Here in the war zone, this is how we keep ourselves busy indoors (compliments of Mr. B):

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11972&stc=1

[Rick]

If anyone mentions housework, chores or yardwork during this quarantine, may I direct you to the President's 15 day guidelines. None of those items are listed. Be an American. Follow the rules!

[BENESSE]

I am!

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11974&stc=1

[rebel]

Me too. At my happy place. 11975

[rebel]

Dang, we surpassed the other country’s in confirmed cases. Something ain’t right.

[crashdive123]

Not too sure you can believe the numbers coming out of some countries. When China was reporting 1,900 cases a whistle blower said there were over 90,000. She has not been heard from since.

[rebel]

That’s what I thought about “ain’t right “.


I made the Mrs. a candle light spaghetti dinner. We’re enjoying this seclusion. Hope all stay safe and happy.

[WolfVanZandt]

I'm not so sure you can trust the numbers coming out of /this/ country, either.

[Phaedrus]

Well, we'll get through it somehow! I'm still doin' the work-at-home thing so still getting paid. Honestly I'd rather be out there doing my job on site but I suppose I am saving some gas (20 miles each way every day). The governor of MT has pretty much closed down the state except for "essential businesses". Luckily the natl forests and state parks will still be open so there's that. If the weather is decent I'm going to go up to Ousel Falls Park, just past Big Sky, and hike out to the falls. Just bought some badass hiking crampons since I nearly died attempting the same hike last week!:hammer::lol:

[madmax]

I wash my hands 50 times a day. I dont go to the store. I just read that I was supposed to. Something kept wafting by my nose in my recliner. Familiar scent. Too lazy to get up and search though. Then it hit me. Oh yeah. Rendezvous. Day 5. I need a shower. I dont remember the last time I took my meds either. My great uncle told me stories of people getting cabin fever in the MN winters (before snowmobiles). Maybe...

No you cant have my guns. Kelly's laid claim to all but the AR's. And she really hates the pistol.

[rebel]

I took a LOA. I don’t go back until mid May. Yahoo! I’m lovin the time off. A chance to get some stuff done. I like seeing the steam fog coming off the pond as the sun rises. Watching the wildlife. Digging in the dirt. Feeling a breeze.

[madmax]

I took a LOA. I don’t go back until mid May. Yahoo! I’m lovin the time off. A chance to get some stuff done. I like seeing the steam fog coming off the pond as the sun rises. Watching the wildlife. Digging in the dirt. Feeling a breeze.are you naked?

[rebel]

are you naked?
Almost. Shorts and a t-shirt.

[madmax]

Well. The police havent been here in awhile. And they kinda like me

[kyratshooter]

I had to push the reset button today and go to the store.

Years of planning, years of buying and I still did not think of everything I would need in a bug in.

So while I was out anyway best I buy food and such.

Walmart was as packed as normal and the people as intrusive as ever, walking right up on you, getting into hugging distance and looking at you like you are crazy for backing away.

I am under the opinion now, after seeing all the people out and about in spite of the "shutdown", that we might need a good plague to thin out the heard. Going to a Walmart in rural Kentucky does not improve your outlook on the future of society.

I am now set for an indefinite period but this "one last trip" might have been the one that gets me. Peak is expected to be mid-April and that puts the highest infection level at right now! Lots of people roaming around, feeling fine and spreading plague.

[Rick]

I'm in for the long haul. I just put a blackberry cobbler in the oven. I'm about to run out of milk but I still have whey milk in reserve. Yeah, I know, but still.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Well, another option is to just go ahead and get it and play your hand.

It's not a good option, ....

Alan

[Rick]

Yeah, my funeral is pre-planned so that could work.

[BushCraftPilot]

well this probably the longest forum thread i've ever seen

[Rick]

We are nothing if not informative.

[crashdive123]

well this probably the longest forum thread i've ever seen

Pffffft. We've got threads with thousands of responses.

[BushCraftPilot]

We are nothing if not informative.

yes thats what ive come to find out hehe

[madmax]

Well krat. I have a log I make notes in on camps, river trips, road trips, and vous'. Age and such.

[Rick]

ripeness, rankness, length of beards, etc.

[kyratshooter]

Well I did do some thinking before I went out.

First, we have had no reported cases in my county. 15 spread in the three counties to the north but they are family clusters, all 25-30 miles away.

Second, there are no cases hospitalized in my area, meaning the hospitals are not now overloaded and if I do come down with this stuff and have to be hospitalized the resources are relatively unstressed. If I put the trip off it might be forced on me at a latter time when infection on going out was guarenteed.

I did not know about that expected peak thing when I walked through the equal to a Bombay sewer yesterday.

Third was that I needed the stuff I bought to ride out the long term. Long term prepper supplies that I suddenly realized I had not stockpiled due to them not being on my list for some stupid reason. Really made me feel foolish to have to take a risk for something I should have remembered long ago.

I did learn one thing though, as long as there is a Walmart, Costco, Sams Club or Kroger open there will be people out shopping just to go somewhere. People are not going to isolate until they are fined $$$ or shot for being out or gathering in groups.

[madmax]

So... do I eat the specks or bleach them first?

[Rick]

We hear a lot about using fish medicines for human consumption. A couple in Illinois used Chloroquine phosphate, the malaria drug and a drug used in aquarium fish tanks, to self medicate for coronavirus. He died and she was hospitalized. They were afraid of getting sick so they mixed it in their food. Within 20 minutes, both were extremely ill. Let's be smart.

[madmax]

Really Rick. You of all people should recognize sarcasm.

[Rick]

I do. All I have to do is look in the mirror.

[WolfVanZandt]

No sarcasm...in survival situations, there are veterinary medicines that you can take....if you know what you're doing.

Of course, not knowing what you're doing is contrary to survival.

[Rick]

https://i.imgur.com/QEC75Ut.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/QEC75Ut.jpg)

[hayshaker]

hey rick you can have my shot if you wish.

[Rick]

If they had a vaccine I promise you I'd be in line to take it!

[hayshaker]

were all infected
rick grimes

[rebel]

http://kingworldnews.com/greyerz-just-warned-the-global-collapse-will-be-devastating-in-the-next-6-12-months/

Pretty bad outlook. If true, I’d forget gold and get land. You can grow enough on an acre for a family of four.

[Rick]

All the gloom and doomers are coming out of the wood work again. Where have they been the last three years? This is not a financial crisis. The banks have good liquidity and we'll recovery nicely once this pandemic is behind us in a month or two.

[madmax]

Yeah one of the concerns should be mental health
Watching too much TV and scrolling through the internet teteotwawki tellers doesn't help you or your household
Assuming of course some prep has been done.

[rebel]

Had to go to Lowe’s this morning for plumbing supplies. That was the first time I have been out in town for a couple of weeks. People seem to be more polite.

[BENESSE]

We're gonna be fine if we follow the guidelines and until a vaccine becomes available. It's the best thing we've got so far. AND we can see what worked in China & South Korea even if we take what the Chinese are saying with a grain of salt. The best way to deal with this virus is to keep from getting it in the first place.

Our economy was strong and healthy before all this and on the way to getting stronger. If anything, perhaps what'll come out of all this is that we'll get back some manufacturing and production of vital supplies back in the US where it should have been in the first place. Look what a difference energy independence has made.

I am hopeful based on the whole picture and based on history. And grateful to live in the US of all places.

[Rick]

Amen. What she said.

[chiggersngrits]

Today was my last day of work. The ADA shut down all the Dentist a few weeks ago and we have been laying off for 2 weeks. Out of 400 employees we were down to 20 today and have run through all remaining work. It is going to be a weird feeling tomorrow morning not going in. I have only taking a whole weeks vacation once since 1982.

[Cliff Booth]

I worry that when the dust settles we are going to see a bunch of our older physicians retire and there won’t be nearly enough docs to fill the void. Going to lead to NPs and PAs probably taking on a lot more than they should.


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[crashdive123]

I worry that when the dust settles we are going to see a bunch of our older physicians retire and there won’t be nearly enough docs to fill the void. Going to lead to NPs and PAs probably taking on a lot more than they should.


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I disagree. I think your fears are unfounded.

[LowKey]

This just pulled into NYC harbor. Majestic, and possibly terrifying.
Docking manuever starts around the 19minute mark.
Watch in double speed.

https://youtu.be/4_u7ps25UDQ
can't get the video to embed. USNS Comfort Hospital ship.

I got a kick outta some guy on a gardening channel describing how he was going to plow up a raw half acre and plant it for food this summer. Yeah. Good luck with that.
I'm wondering if people are going to steal my stuff this year, on top of all the other wild life out there eating it.
Hopefully they don't devolve into that.

I did see an older couple out going through people's trash this morning looking for bottles and cans. They had found a jackpot and were loading the trunk. Struck me as desperate. Last thing I'd want to do right now is go through other people's trash. Help em out. If you don't want to go to the bottle return, at least put them in a bag off to the side. They'll vanish soon enough.

[BENESSE]

@Cliff Booth
Assuming you are right (I don't think so), we will just import them through "targeted" immigration. Something we should be doing anyway. Give precedence to people who can contribute to the economy instead of being a drag on the rest of us.
There are a lot of foreign students currently in US med schools who would probably love a chance to have their visa changed to "permanent resident" so they can remain and work here. I would allow it providing they go where there's most need.

So, no, I am not concerned that there'll be a shortage of medical professionals of any stripe. However, I am always concerned that there's a shortagee of honest politicians.

[Rick]

Our governor is allowing the graduating doctors and nurses to begin their practices under the guidance of other professionals. All they lack is their residency. I don't think this pandemic is a threat to the number of health care professionals that we will have in our country. I think it clearly shows to shortage we have and that will drive the price up which will retain and attract more to the field. Maybe I'm wrong but I think we have been trying to get by with as few as we can for a long time now.

I watch the Comfort pull into New York. Truly impressive. Not to make this political but this demonstrates why a capitalistic economy excels.

In other news...I don't buy into not wearing a mask when out and about. If a mask works in a medical setting it da@m well works in public setting. The mask doesn't know the difference. Wear one even if it is a bandana or a scarf. Put something between your face and the public.

[kyratshooter]

Anyone here actually know anyone that is sick?

I mean other than a case reported on TV or the nephew's girlfriend's distant cousin?

There are about a dozen of us in this conversation and I was just wondering if after all these weeks it has closed in on anyone.

I don't want to be callous, but the anticipated 200,000 deaths is only .005% of the total population. Yes I know every life counts and the death of one .....

But how many sick are among us so far?

And Rick I must say that the "public" thanks you for any barrier between your face and them!

[Rick]

Sadly, I do. She's recovering now, thankfully. I think that will increase in the next few weeks as the numbers increase. I think there are a lot more folks out there with the virus but just haven't been tested.

I consider it my civic duty to do anything I can to assist. I did have a cop caution me that I should wear pants from now on. I told him it was all part of my social distancing plan. He told me it seemed to be working.

[BENESSE]

In other news...I don't buy into not wearing a mask when out and about. If a mask works in a medical setting it da@m well works in public setting. The mask doesn't know the difference. Wear one even if it is a bandana or a scarf. Put something between your face and the public.

I believed in masks for everyone from day one and was given a lot of flack for it by my NY friends who were obviously drinking the Govt. CoolAid. Turns out, the tide is finally shifting in favor. How something so obvious was even in question is truly baffling.

Tucker Carlson last night said it perfectly and the portion about masks starts at 01:50. I so shared his outrage.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-shortage-medical-masks-stop-lying

[crashdive123]

I believe that there are many, many people that have contracted it and were not diagnosed. Either before testing began, or just thought they had a bug and rode it out.

[Rick]

I've heard that coffee filters can be used for toilet paper but it will change the taste of the coffee. Just a helpful tip.

[crashdive123]

Vegan toilet paper.


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[BENESSE]

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[Rick]

That's pretty good, Crash. But I think that's just the tip of the iceberg. The rest romaines to be seen.

[grokh5499]

Hi everyone! I've come back after a long long break. Life takes its twits and turns and turned me back here. :D Hope everyone is still doing good.

Unfortunately I'm considered mission essential at my "mission essential" job. We are a Lowes vendor, we sell metal roofing. My boss and his wife made masks last weekend for the entire plant-both shifts (I'm pretty sure they made them for all the office people too - hard to tell because not everyone is wearing them, or wearing them correctly. Some people have them below their chins, on their foreheads, on the bills of their hats. Typical, I know. I got funny looks last week when I was wearing a bandana. Now most everyone is wearing something.

We are only supposed to have one person in the multi-stall restrooms at a time. They have a hospital grade disinfectant for spraying before and after yourself. There are 17 females that are still working at the office. Most of them already use the single stall restroom not far from my desk. About 7-9 of us use the large restroom. That means the 9 or so of us have 4 stalls to choose from. I know at least 3-4 of them use the ones farthest back.When I'm done I spray both sinks, both soap dispensers, the the door knob for exiting the restroom, the stall door knob, toilet handle and seat. I wonder if anyone else is sanitizing behind or before themselves at all? And I am amazed at the number of people that are so nonchalant about this. I would hate to be a carrier and not know I had even been exposed and get someone sick that is in a high risk category.

I am thinking of starting up a blog to do a running diary of this but haven't decided if I'm going to or not.

[crashdive123]

That's pretty good, Crash. But I think that's just the tip of the iceberg. The rest romaines to be seen.

I see what you did there. Lettuce hope it doesn't come to that.

[Rick]

Leaf it to you. You ain't no butterhead.


We are only supposed to have one person in the multi-stall restrooms at a time.

I would think that's a whole lot better that multiple people in the single stall restroom at a time. Just sayin'.

[madmax]

Leaf it to you. You ain't no butterhead.



I would think that's a whole lot better that multiple people in the single stall restroom at a time. Just sayin'.

That just sent my mind reeling. The visual is something I'll never get over

[Rick]

Just trying to keep things in perspective. Like...I think modern medicine has done away with Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Consider the fact that during a respiratory pandemic folks hoarded toilet paper. Think about that for a moment. Back in the day if a Saber Tooth Tiger attack a man and he decided to defend himself with...oh, say...a flower then nature took care of that bad decision. It turned him into tiger poop, albeit it with pretty flower petals but still. Today medicine keeps those bad decisions alive. I'm convinced if we ever get hit with a diarrhea pandemic there will be a rush on nasal spray.

[nell67]

I do not know anyone who has tested positive, yet.

My daughter works IT at UofL, she was working for Jewish, but UofL bought them out. She is in charge of all the "COWS" Computers on wheels that get moved from room to room. She is scared to death that she has been exposed because she has to go to isolation rooms, and the ER.

The hospital has set up their COVID-19 isolation ward, on the east wing of the floor her office is on. Last week, a patient left the isolation wing, and came down the west wing where the pharmacy and psychologist office as well as all the IT offices are. he walked right into the office of one of the other IT people. After the directed her back to her floor and reported her t the nurses, that guy blew up over the fact she was allowed to exit that wing.

Later that same day, that same patient was seen by pharmacy staff exiting the employee restroom on the west wing, again employees on the west wing had a major meltdown.

Yesterday, The IT people found out that infection control had visited their wing, and ordered the pharmacy and psychologist office moved to another floor. But nothing was said to, or about the IT personnel. That didn't go over well. and none of the IT can be tested to see f they were exposed, unless they start showing symptoms.

Norton Healthcare, and Baptist Health both have many nurses and other employees in quarantine because they were exposed, and Norton had 39 I believe who have tested positive. The Hospital in Seymour Indiana has many hospital staff in quarantine and several positives.

[nell67]

I believe that there are many, many people that have contracted it and were not diagnosed. Either before testing began, or just thought they had a bug and rode it out.
Yea, back at Thanksgiving, Jade and I both had allergies, or a sinus infection, she got over it but mine dragged on for a while and after using every type of cold and allergy med with no relief.

I went to urgent care on the 23rd of December. I was told I had pneumonia in my right lung. No testing, no x rays, just a diagnosis and prescriptions. If you have had the 'flu shot, they won't test you for the 'flu, although my symptoms were were all respiratory, and extreme fatigue. Just have to wonder if "IT" was here id December and we didn't know because it really hadn't been identified yet. Or had it?

[madmax]

Anybody else have a hypochondriac in the family that thinks they have the kung flu... then goes out for hours?

[Cliff Booth]

Yea, back at Thanksgiving, Jade and I both had allergies, or a sinus infection, she got over it but mine dragged on for a while and after using every type of cold and allergy med with no relief.

I went to urgent care on the 23rd of December. I was told I had pneumonia in my right lung. No testing, no x rays, just a diagnosis and prescriptions. If you have had the 'flu shot, they won't test you for the 'flu, although my symptoms were were all respiratory, and extreme fatigue. Just have to wonder if "IT" was here id December and we didn't know because it really hadn't been identified yet. Or had it?

Maybe here in December. Highly unlikely it was here around Thanksgiving. I think the established timeline is probably pretty close to accurate. The growth models closely align.


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[Cliff Booth]

Today was my last day of work. The ADA shut down all the Dentist a few weeks ago and we have been laying off for 2 weeks. Out of 400 employees we were down to 20 today and have run through all remaining work. It is going to be a weird feeling tomorrow morning not going in. I have only taking a whole weeks vacation once since 1982.

Are you a dentist or do you provide a service for dentists? Just interested due to the 400 employees.


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[BushCraftPilot]

Anybody else have a hypochondriac in the family that thinks they have the kung flu... then goes out for hours?

my brother's diabetic

[madmax]

So he's not a hypochondriac. What's the deal with your respons

[crashdive123]

So he's not a hypochondriac. What's the deal with your respons

He's 14.......

[grokh5499]

Leaf it to you. You ain't no butterhead.


I would think that's a whole lot better that multiple people in the single stall restroom at a time. Just sayin'.


Ha ha! That helped me feel better- I needed that laugh!

[Rick]

See? Things could be worse. :stuart:

[BENESSE]

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[Rick]

That made me smile.

[Phaedrus]

BENESSE! :lol:

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

TMI


Alan

[Rick]

Alan - Please accept my condolences on your loss. You and your wife have been through an ordeal and and now she has lost her father to this terrible disease. You and your family will be in my prayers. I am glad that the two of you are feeling better.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Thanks Rick.

Alan

[crashdive123]

Alan - so sorry for your loss. Hope you and your wife recover completely an quickly.

[WolfVanZandt]

That's a bad thing on top of everything else. Stay well. I hope things get better for you all. You're in my prayers

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I just read about the Convalescent Plasma donation thing.

Alan

[rebel]

Sorry for your loss.

[Phaedrus]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Alan! Smoke sent for your and your wife.

[Rick]

Alan - I've read that you can donate 28 days after contracting the disease or after the second confirmed negative test. It will be interesting to find out what the South Texas Center tells you. Please keep us informed as this could help a lot of folks.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

They probably won't answer until tomorrow. Their website says they are going to try to be accepting donations early next week. if it's 28 days then I likely have a ways to go before I can donate. Certainly don't want to donate too early! But I will report what they tell me, hopefully tomorrow.

Alan

[Rick]

Here's a write up from Versiti Blood Center:

"Versiti blood centers, among the first in the U.S. to begin collecting convalescent plasma, is working with its partner hospitals to identify recovered patients. As per the guidelines, hospitals must request FDA approval and work within the EIND guidelines, or other approved IND, in order to treat coronavirus patients with plasma. Donors would be referred to Versiti through hospitals, or the recovered patients' physicians."The potential donors must first be proven to have had a COVID-19 diagnosis through a positive lab test result, and must then have a negative test result 14 days after recovering from symptoms," said Versiti Senior Medical Director Dan A. Waxman, M.D. "It's a very collaborative effort with our hospital partners who will be working to identify and verify the donors." (emphasis is mine)

https://www.ptcommunity.com/wire/convalescent-plasma-donations-be-collected-versiti-blood-centers-treat-covid-19-patients

That's different from what I read earlier and may be their own requirements. Good luck, Alan.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

They are saying that there are up to 50% of the cases that show NO symptoms at all. I'm not sure this is different from any other disease but this one has infected out psyches as well as our bodies and has ramped psychosis to new heights.

Even though I still believe much of the Hype was exactly that, I also believe that some good has come from it. It has raised our awareness on many fronts.
1. Even a little old flu bug can rampage across the Earth in an Historical blink of the eye.
2. We are unprepared to deal with that eventuality. Those who would wish us ill, now have seen first hand our vulnerabilities.
3. We are WAY to dependent on China and other countries for the things we use every day and certainly those thing we will need in an emergency.
4. Vendors need to VOLUNTARILY have some protocols in place to limit purchases of essential products like disinfectants early on to keep the profiteers and hoarders from creating shortages at a time when they are needed the most.
5. Governments (Fed, State and local) should actively prepare, replace and stockpile (if we can stockpile the amount of paper used up in a hoax impeachment, we can surely stockpile some face masks. Those will actually be needed) those items that are needed in this sort of crisis. (ie. New York opting NOT to replace 17,000 ventilators that should have been replaced after the last epidemic).

And there's probably more.

Alan

[BENESSE]

Alan, belated condoleneces and prayers for a quick and complete recovery. I am sorry you were burdened with more than your share when the times are already difficult. May what's ahead make up for what we leave behind.

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[Rick]

It looks like cats can catch corona virus...(I knew the little devils were out to get us!) Dogs are cool, though.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2360876/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00984-8

[BENESSE]

It looks like cats can catch corona virus...(I knew the little devils were out to get us!) Dogs are cool, though.

I’m wearing a mask so no worries. :whistling:

[BENESSE]

ITALIAN MAYORS--TCB & Kicking A$$. Our mayors can learn something from them instead ow waiting for the state and fed govt. to tell them what to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxtGJsnLgSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYPPTXUIY2U

[Rick]

A flamethrower. I love it. That would get the message across! We need that attitude over here. The governor of Georgia just opened the beaches!!!! How dumb do you have to be? Someone should pelt him with peaches!!!!

[WolfVanZandt]

Some of the states are trying to ignore the feds (Trump) and control the spread of the virus, but then Trump withholdings aid.

On the other hand, my son's-in-law family is from Italy. You don't want the US to be like Italy. Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it.

[BENESSE]

You don't want the US to be like Italy. Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it.

Hardly any danger of that any time soon. But "we" could definitely use more straight talk especially at a time like this. Why we have to coddle people and prevaricate is beyond me.

Case in point, hot off the press: NYC to begin temporarily burying corona victims in local parks. If that's not serious I don't know what is.. An

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-to-begin-temporarily-burying-coronavirus-victims-in-local-parks/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200406&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8755221-720512843

[WolfVanZandt]

We could definitely use some strong citizen activism.

You should, though, understand that NY is a special case. Just a cursory glance at the statistics that compare states shows that. The population density (my past harping on overpopulation that people don't believe is happening) and the fact that NY State ticked our POTUS (who is obviously rather vindictive) off are two big factors.

[BENESSE]

Wolf VZ, I agree with you. I am mostly mad at NYC govt. and residents for not being more responsible. A close friend who lives nearby has been in denial herself, refusing to educate herself and understand what's at stake. Here in NYC and now. If someone in WY is in denial, they can afford to be. We can't.

What we are dealing with is different from say, people who engage in bad habits that are lethal for their health. Their body, their choice, their gamble. Covid 19 is contagious to everyone and stretches the resources we do not have. Now it's no longer about individual choice...unless that choice is to stay home.

[WolfVanZandt]

Aye, a quicker response would have saved a lot of lives.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Got this today. Matches what Rick posted earlier.

"Thank you for contacting STBTC about convalescent plasma donations. The regulatory requirement directed to blood centers, for now, is only patients that have documentation of a positive COVID-19 test result qualifies for convalescent plasma donations. We are required to have documentation for a positive test result and then a negative test result for COVID-19 post 14 days from a patient's last symptom in order to be qualified to donate plasma."


Alan

[edr730]

Sites to help with the math.
https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states daily total US deaths for all causes in real time
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ daily covid19 deaths in all countries
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate interactive chart to find deaths for various years

[BENESSE]

At least no one is going to blame you for taking away supplies intended for those on the front lines.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLk-oK5Ckp4

[BENESSE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUi2_AwDnqE

I know that no one on this forum is capable of being bored. But for some of us stuck inside, this is gold.

[Cliff Booth]

Wolf VZ, I agree with you. I am mostly mad at NYC govt. and residents for not being more responsible. A close friend who lives nearby has been in denial herself, refusing to educate herself and understand what's at stake. Here in NYC and now. If someone in WY is in denial, they can afford to be. We can't.

What we are dealing with is different from say, people who engage in bad habits that are lethal for their health. Their body, their choice, their gamble. Covid 19 is contagious to everyone and stretches the resources we do not have. Now it's no longer about individual choice...unless that choice is to stay home.

NY leadership was encouraging people to get out and have fun even into March. Colossal failure.


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[BENESSE]

Yes, quite a colossal failure, which of course, they are all conveniently forgetting. Thank God it's all on tape and thanks to Hannity, it does get some airing here and there. Unfortunately, Hannity is preaching to the choir so those who need to see it, aren't.

When Trump suspended travel from China is when I kicked into higher gear with preps and by the end of February I was on full alert...due to the fact that I can read.

[crashdive123]

Sadly, much of the advice that was given was ignored because of the source, which was purely a political decision IMO. Those decisions should cost those leaders their jobs.

Additionally a lot of the advice was given with the best intentions with the information that was available at the time. Dr. Fauci has become the face of reason for many. Just in case you missed it.......as late as January 21st he didn't think CV was going to be a problem for the United States. Just ten days later Trump shut down travel from China (and was widely criticized for it). Here was Dr. Fauci on the 21st. https://saraacarter.com/jan-flashback-dr-fauci-said-coronavirus-is-not-a-major-threat-to-the-people-of-the-united-states/

[Rick]

Honest to Pete, how smart do you have to be to figure out a face mask? Some of our elected officials seem to have a great deal of difficulty figuring it out. It's not COVID-19 science. You see plenty of news outlets mocking the Pres but no one bothered to mock the Senator. Interesting.

https://preview.redd.it/vazlvaza9hr41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&4ac363a2 (https://preview.redd.it/vazlvaza9hr41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&4ac363a2)

[crashdive123]

Went to the Navy Exchange today to pick up a few things. You cannot enter unless you are wearing a face mask. Seems reasonable to me.

[rebel]

Saw it coming in January. The Practioner Mrs. said no way. Well....

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

All the masks and gloves and bubble suits are fine, but I think the way we're going to beat this thing is to go into it healthy. It seems like it's slowing a bit but as soon as the guard drops we will see a resurgence.

You better eat your fruits and vegetables and drink all your milk.

I do know one thing though and that is:

China needs to pay for this. We need to absolve any debt we have with them to pay for the trillions of dollars this is costing us. They aren't even trying to rectify the situation. They are continuing to operate in probably the most unsanitary conditions possible and then continue to lie about and hide the dire problems THEY have visited on the rest of the World. Their Communist system has failed, failed their people and imperiled the human population of the Earth. They should pay for that.

It boggles my mind that one of the oldest if not THE oldest civilization on Earth cannot raise their people out of "Cave Man" status.

Alan

[Rick]

We (read that any way you want) blocked further stimulus to small business this week and now someone wants to sent 5 billion in aid to Iran. I'm all for humanitarian aid but can't they at least stop attacking us first?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/iran-hits-back-after-trump-claims-it-is-planning-iraq-attacks

[rebel]

Could another war come from this? Smells like pre-WWII.