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Rick
08-07-2019, 03:58 PM
After last week-end's tragic shootings, the anti-gun groups are in full swing doing everything they can to take our 2nd Amendment rights away from us. While I mourn the evil that occurred in Texas and Ohio and pray for a speedy recovery for those that were injured, both of the shooters displayed evil tendencies that were ignored. Just a few years ago, the shooter in Texas had a list of people he wanted to kill and rape. An ex-girlfriend of the shooter in Ohio now says he was fascinated by mass murder. Both used social media as an outlet to vent their hostilities. There were clear signs that something terrible was wrong with these men yet nothing happened. Instead, everyone waited for a tragedy to occur, the media to whip everyone into a frenzy and all fingers point once again at firearms.

I urge you to contact your President, state's senators and representative and let your voice be heard. I have. Let them know your position on Red Flag laws as well as additional gun laws. If we do not act, the anti-gun folks will.

Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-07-2019, 06:43 PM
I'm on it.

Alan

Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-07-2019, 06:50 PM
For anyone who doesn't have contact info...
you'll have to google your own State Legislature.

https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
https://www.senate.gov/senators/index.htm

https://capitol.texas.gov/

Alan

madmax
08-07-2019, 06:54 PM
Florida already has a Red Flag law.

I spoke up when I was teaching elementary school about dangerous kids. It was not PC and not welcome.

This crap has me thinking a lot about being thankful for growing up when I did.

That said this is the greatest country in the world. I'll never leave it. I'll always fight for it. As best I can.

BENESSE
08-07-2019, 07:51 PM
My state is overwhelmingly useless in these things and the few GOP officials are completely impotent. I've never been more frustrated or seething mad.
I am counting on the rest of you guys from normal states to make extra noise.

Rick
08-07-2019, 08:05 PM
I'm sorry, B. I saw that a motorcycle backfired yesterday and folks fled in panic. When I saw it I couldn't help but think of gazelle on the African plains. One runs and the rest follow.

"What are we running from?"
"I don't know. Just keep running."

We have a red flag law in our state as well, MMax. That said, it hasn't been used too much, so it seems. At least it hasn't been publicized if it has been. This state still has some common sense at the state and federal level. I have no idea how our island manages to stay sane next to Illinois but it does. Maybe with such a glaring example of dumb next door we just have to look and see what not to do. I'm from there so I can talk down to them.

BENESSE
08-08-2019, 08:05 AM
I'm sorry, B. I saw that a motorcycle backfired yesterday and folks fled in panic. When I saw it I couldn't help but think of gazelle on the African plains. One runs and the rest follow.

That was a head scratcher. I am no expert on these things but I am pretty sure if I were there my first instinct would have been to duck into one of the buildings right away. The "shots" were heard outside so why risk being out in the open and trampled by the crowds no less?
Now it is reported that those mufflers were doctored ahead of time with the express purpose of pulling that $hit off in a Times Square area. Sick, sick, world.

BENESSE
08-08-2019, 08:15 AM
btw...did anyone watch De Blasio on Hannity last night? A perfect example of the mass insanity we are up against.

rebel
08-08-2019, 11:12 AM
Its a mess and I think its going to get worse.

Rick
08-08-2019, 11:45 AM
Typical Political Speak. A simple yes or no question (should New Yorkers be allowed to have guns in their homes?) went on for several minutes and resulted in no answer (which, of course, means NO). Who's he kidding?

LowKey
08-08-2019, 08:05 PM
You think NY is bad????
At least you don't have this:
https://www.masslive.com/politics/2019/08/repeal-the-second-amendment-says-shannon-liss-riordan-challenger-for-ed-markeys-senate-seat.html

Rick
08-09-2019, 07:57 AM
40,000 lives lost last year in automobiles. 17,600+ by firearms. According to the CDC, an average of 69 people were MURDERED EACH DAY by automobile in 2015 (that last year of data I could find). Where's the outrage for safer automobiles and roads? Those killed by rifles in 2017 (the latest FBI stats available. Including uber ugly "assault weapons")...403. Those bludgeoned to death...467. Every year, hammers show up more dangerous than rifles. We need to register carpenters.

BENESSE
08-09-2019, 08:29 AM
Typical Political Speak. A simple yes or no question (should New Yorkers be allowed to have guns in their homes?) went on for several minutes and resulted in no answer (which, of course, means NO). Who's he kidding?

That's what I hate about all of them. They can never answer a straight question because they don't have the balls to stand by their convictions as flawed as they are. Their reasoning is faulty and it's scary to see this played out daily and on such a large scale.

Rick
08-09-2019, 11:11 AM
There are no politicians today. We have come to the point in this country that it's the least dangerous of the bunch.

jim Glass
08-09-2019, 07:51 PM
Just think what we will have if these shootings continue. I'm already as politically active as I can on gun control. I'm at a point where I'm preaching to people to learn self defense and ,,,,,,,,,,,,first aid. There are several hero's in these shootings.
In Dayton a Army veteran Medic saved countless lives giving first aid instructions to volunteers after the shooting. A Walmart employee hid customers inside of empty shipping containers during the shooting. Quick thinking makes a difference.

It's a mess for sure.
Update: I contacted my representatives this morning recommending better deterrent to terrorist crime and for people that shoot up schools and churches.

rebel
08-12-2019, 12:33 PM
Seems like some of our elected consider the constitution as antiquated words. Then they wonder why their laws and rules arent followed.

BENESSE
08-13-2019, 07:39 AM
Seems like some of our elected consider the constitution as antiquated words. Then they wonder why their laws and rules arent followed.

They also do not follow the laws that are on the books and blame those who do. When picking and choosing which laws you want to follow and getting away with it, you know we are headed for very troubling times.

WolfVanZandt
08-15-2019, 10:16 AM
I'm writing a book (heh, I have 5 in me before I die) called Critical Thinking for Voters. I'm going to put it out in segments on a blog. The first chapter outlines why we should vote (as if the last presidential election isn't reason enough - only 55.7% of the voting population turned out to vote), and other things. I'm having to do a lot of research and I specifically asked, do calls to elected officials, petitions, etc. do any good. The research says "yes" but only because it alerts voters to issues. The problem is that our elected officials hire people to take calls, look at petitions, and throw them in the waste baskets. The people whose voices matter are the ones that send them the most money - big business and special interests. Especially on the state and federal levels, they don't care what you think.

Votes are even problematic. Not everyone gets to vote, many don't think their votes matter and don't vote, and the votes that do happen get smeared by the Electoral College.

A solution to making America great again (in other words, in tune with the Constitution) is to build from the bottom. Most Federal officers start as local or state politicians and or votes matter much more on the home front - especially with the underappreciated counsel people. Vote often and vote grassroots. Politicians listen to the people that funded them and grassroots politicians are funded by their voting constituents - you. And you can't trust a politicians word that they are grassroots - follow the money. Research them and find out where their campaign funds come from as well as what past positions on bills and such were.

We have got to start moving these monsters out of office and this is the only way I know to do it. I just hope it's not too late to mitigate the damage they're doing.

LowKey
08-15-2019, 08:16 PM
I shudder to think what would happen if the Electoral College was not in place.
This is a Republic, not a Majority Democracy. The Liberal Coasts have a vast advantage in sheer numbers.
You've read about this, right?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blue-states-rally-to-upend-electoral-college-with-addition-of-connecticut
Talk about making your citizens' vote not count!

Rick
08-16-2019, 07:24 AM
I second that, Lowkey. The Founding Fathers put the Electoral College in place for a reason. They understood size matters.

BENESSE
08-16-2019, 08:28 AM
I second that, Lowkey. The Founding Fathers put the Electoral College in place for a reason. They understood size matters.

That's the only reason states with smaller populations like Wyoming would agree to join the union, otherwise why bother? You'd have NY and CA calling the shots for everyone else. Can you imagine?! It's bad enough my conservative vote is meaningless in NY but at least I have hope the rest of the country can pull us through. Without the Electoral College we'd all be screwed.

BENESSE
08-16-2019, 08:31 AM
We all agree with this POV of course, but this article is simply brilliant:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2019/08/control-criminals-and-crazies-not-guns.html

A taste:

"Guns are a tool. There are a whole lot of other devastating ways to kill lots of people.

American mass killers often use guns because theyre convenient and available. There are plenty of alternatives like trucks, boxcutters, pressure cooker bombs and paint cans full of gasoline.

Mass murder isnt caused by the tools you use. The Nazis were not inspired to kill Jews by the invention of Zyklon B. The Japanese did not decide to kill hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians because of the availability of airplanes. The Soviet Communists did not commit their acts of mass murder because their arms stockpiles didnt need a waiting period to obtain machine guns for their mass shootings.

Murder is not a technical problem. Its a moral problem. It happens because of internal decisions made in the mind, not external tools. The tools are used to implement the decisions of the mind. "

Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-16-2019, 07:03 PM
Most of the recipients of my emails acknowledged receipt of those emails through automated return emails. One of my US Senators wrote me a letter back assuring me that he was concerned about my concerns concerning the concerns I had. The rest of the time he assured me of how great he was and if I had read the whole thing, I'm sure he probably asked for contributions....

But then at the end of the letter he said, "I appreciate the opportunity to represent Texas in the United States Senate. I recognize we have differing opinions on this important matter, but I hope you will continue to share your views with me regarding issues of importance to you. Thank you for taking the time to contact me."

So, we have different views. His letter mimicked mine and yet we have different views? He didn't even read it, just sent me a form response.

We are in good hands. The swamp will save us.

Alan

Rick
08-17-2019, 07:37 AM
Honest, Alan, I don't know how you get around that. A Senator must receive several thousand pieces of correspondence each week. I don't know how their staff has the capacity to even review them for subject matter let alone figure out which form response to send. I checked the box that said don't bother responding. Still, two of my representatives, one senator and my house rep, did respond and with pretty good responses. I feel pretty blessed to have such good folks in Congress from Indiana. They may never figure out what a Hoosier actually is but as long as they keep doing what they are doing I won't mind.

Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-17-2019, 09:13 AM
Both of my Senators are Republicans. That's my only choice in voting for them. One of them is okay, the other one is collecting a paycheck. My US rep is a DemocRat who followed the last crooked DemocRat into office in my Gerrymandered district. When I vote I don't check the party bloc box. I go through the whole form checking the Republican box on each candidate. If there's no Republican opposition, I don't check anything.

Since I was 18 I have only voted five or six times for someone I actually liked and wanted in office. The rest of the checked boxes were the lesser of some number of evils.

I did write George Bush I once and got what appeared to be a typed signed response. It's in one of my favorite files, somewhere...

Alan

WolfVanZandt
08-17-2019, 10:54 AM
There are two results of an electoral college - popular votes don't matter (Clinton - I didn't like her either - won the people's vote in the last presidential) and many people don't vote because they think their vote won't matter - and obviously they don't. Especially when people don't vote.

Aye, without the electoral college, Clinton would be in the White House....of course, without politicians looking for loupholes around the Constitution, Clinton wouldn't have even been running.

If you actually have legislators that listen, go ahead and contact them - most don't and that is supported by research. There are much more effective means of making political change but it's a little more effort and time intensive. But if we don't bring the fourth branch of government - the people - back online - we're not going to even have a United States of America for long. It's worth the effort.

Gilens, Martin and Benjamin I. Page (2014) Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens. Perspectives on Politics, Volume 12, Issue 3, September 2014, pp. 564-581. Also available at http://amadorcountynews.org/2014-04/American%20Politics%20-%20Elites,%20Interest%20Groups,%20and%20Average%20 Citizens.pdf (accessed 6/24/19)

https://www.pewinternet.org/2016/12/28/we-the-people-five-years-of-online-petitions accessed 7/1/19.

Hooton, Christopher (2017) "White House petition to save arts funding not registering signatures". Independent, Jan. 23, 2017. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/president-donald-trump-arts-funding-nea-neh-cpb-prs-npr-petition-white-house-a7541631.html accessed 7/1/19

Carpenter, Daniel (2017) "Yes, signing those petitions makes a difference - even if they don't change Trump's mind". The Washington Post. Feb. 3, 2017. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/03/yes-signing-those-petitions-makes-a-difference-even-if-they-dont-change-trumps-mind/?utm_term=.244a2c9bae8a accessed 7/1/19

rebel
08-17-2019, 06:32 PM
I just read where the walmart ceo is considering stopping the sale of firearms. Corporations are capitulating. States will too.

Who could be number one at selling and giving arms to the world while wanting to take ours? Who would militarize the enforcers? Why? The IRS really needs those ar-15s.

My prophetic self sees hard times for noncompliance. Any disruption will be blamed. The lies will continue until nothing is left.

LowKey
08-18-2019, 01:40 PM
The electoral college is one thing, SuperDelegates on the other hand are something else and there should be legislation against those. Especially those that pre-declare before the election.

That is where people feel they are not being heard. If more Democrats understood what those are, they might just not vote altogether.

WolfVanZandt
08-19-2019, 10:56 AM
Maybe that's why they didn't vote in the last election. Electors are not required to vote according to the popular will. Further, there are citizens of the US that don't even get to vote in presidential elections because places like Guam and American Samoa don't have electors.

rebel
08-19-2019, 06:18 PM
http://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/florida-man-has-firearms-rights-taken-away-over-mistaken-identity/#axzz5x3496KJU

Rick
08-19-2019, 07:39 PM
My conceal carry would become a Raven auto .25. If I had to turn it over that's what it would be. That's what they'd get anyway. Yep, that's the ticket.

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