Raise your hand if "NOT" fed up with the "Civilized World"

[Sourdough]

Seems like we have a few (Maybe all of us) who are fed up with the so called civilized world, are ready to make some changes. Like move to a remote location and be self-sufficient. Or hike around the world, for evermore.

Count me in and everyone I know. It seems being a Human Being is not easy. This is my cure and I recommend it to all who are not happy with how there life is.

WORK, Yep, Hard Work, I find if you WORK real hard doing hard manual labor for 16 hours a day. You will sleep like a rock, and you should sleep for 7 hours and 55 minutes.

This should leave you with 5 whole minutes to reflect on the list of things that are hard in ones life.

I think I'll start a school, what ever someone's problem but them to splitting fire wood, when they are to tired to split they can stack.

I'll call it: The Split, Stack, and be Happy School......or the ZEN of the Perfect CORD.

Students could re-stack wood over and over till it is stacked perfect......and when they realize that even that does not matter, and that they can choose to be HAPPY with the wood neat, perfect, or sloppy.....then they can graduate (which is another ILLUSION, nothing to graduate from, or INTO).

OLD SOURDOUGH KOAN:

Be for enlightenment, stack wood, fetch water.
After enlightenment, stack wood, fetch water.
Nothing changes, and everything is changed.

[RBB]

My pop would do real well in your school. Actually, he would make a real good teacher. Never happy unless he is 40 cords ahead - split and stacked just so. Just had his 83rd birthday this year.

[wareagle69]

my old man used to tell me before he left this sh*tty world theres nothing more honest than digging a ditch which is true the favorite part of my job is roughing in the plumbing i love push my muscles hard.

part two- speaking of civilized world a new un contacted tribe was found in the amazon photos on msnbc also survivalinternational.org website, that site is dedicated to persrving the last 100 uncontacted tribes in the world over half are in the brazillian/peruvian rain forest, would be interesting to learn from them...

[trax]

I guess it's no secret to anyone here that I don't find the civilized world very civil-ized. I agree one hundred percent and then some on the physical labor. That's one of the reasons I started getting back into the outdoor stuff and I'm da** glad I did, getting too soft sitting around in an office. I had a little backyard fire with the grandson last night and he told me "when we go camping this year, I think I should start splitting the firewood" I was pretty proud of him considering what it's like to get a few moments work out of most youngsters these days.

WE--My personal thoughts are that the best thing that can happen for uncontacted tribes is to leave them that way, but I don't imagine that's going to happen. Thanks for sharing that stuff, hopefully more people will agree with your attitude about seeing what we can learn from them.

[wareagle69]

problem with my theory though is that to learn from them we must contact them and it won't be long with all the illeagal logging and poaching before most of these tribes become"civilized" but i would bet they have not lost the art of a hand drill like most of the amazonian tribes

[crashdive123]

Read the story this morning on the "uncontacted tribe". I didn't understand why they had to fly over and prove they were there in order to preserve their habitat. Governments put lands off limits for development for a variety of reasons. At least this one seems like a noble reason. Notice in the pictures that the plane is scaring the H**L out of the people. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7426794.stm

[Rick]

Uh, raising my hand, here. I'm pretty happy living in a civilized world. It's a bit nice to set the thermostat where it's comfortable when it's cold and raining or blowing and snowing or just hotter than hammered whatever. I don't mind at all that I was able to drive 3 miles and do shopping this morning. Managed to capture grapes from California, Broccoli too. I tracked down some ground round and bread and some other things (powdered milk and spam for you die hards). It was tough but killed and cleaned it all.

There is no reason that we can't combine our knowledge of yesterday and today and as for the tribes in the Amazon, just making contact with them can often spell disaster is we deliver some disease they have never encountered.

[RobertRogers]

Read the story this morning on the "uncontacted tribe". I didn't understand why they had to fly over and prove they were there in order to preserve their habitat. Governments put lands off limits for development for a variety of reasons. At least this one seems like a noble reason. Notice in the pictures that the plane is scaring the H**L out of the people. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7426794.stm

Yeah, and here come the missionaries. I guarantee it.

Next thing you know, these free and proud peoples sell all their land for a couple of blankets and end up as bellhops and chambermaids for rich white folks.

[dilligaf2u2]

I am so happy with the world. There are only 3 things I would change.

I would remove 80% to 90% of all the people in the world. I would make every prisons remove the genitals of the convicted upon conviction(yes men and women) and I would make a hunting season for all vegetarians(but only 11 months long).

Don

[wareagle69]

I am so happy with the world. There are only 3 things I would change.

I would remove 80% to 90% of all the people in the world. I would make every prisons remove the genitals of the convicted upon conviction(yes men and women) and I would make a hunting season for all vegetarians(but only 11 months long).

Don

not to play devils advocate here don but what would happen if i was convicted of killing the guy that molested my 8 year old daughter would you still have me castrated?

[Teotwawki]

I'm kinda with Rick on this one... My hand is half-way raised.

I am fed up with much re the "civilized" world.

But I really like all the creature comforts and luxuries - you know, the Internet, electricity, hot-water on demand, viagra, telephones. Even though our medical system is in shambles, I find a bit of comfort knowing a Doctor / Hospital is a short trip away. I have a chronic, sometimes extremely painful illness and if the "civilized" world were to crumble I might really be screwed. What I have if left unchecked could leave me blind and / or in a wheel chair. So no matter how much I prepare... it won't be lack of food, water, shelter or marauding gangs that get me.

Last minute trip for me (after the power is out and the masses are in a panic) a stealth trip to the pharmacy.

If the S. REALLY HTF, like I think it might, I have no romantic notions of how that will be. It is going to really suck in many ways. In many ways it will be better for those prepared and capable.

The Internet: I make a living writing and selling educational software and services. I rely on the Internet as my only sales channel. I'm not alone, if the S really HTF, we will all be self-employed and many of us probably currently depend on the "civilized" world for our livelihoods.

Are you ready to give up your "work identity" and function in more of a barter society?

I'll trade you this here chicken for a dozen shotgun shells?

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Some "civilized" things I am fed up with:

- Kids who graduate from high school who cannot read, write or make change unless the cash register tells them how (we homeschool our 1 son btw - and the lessons include cutting, splitting and stacking firewood!)...

- Obsession with pop-culture over real things like real history, good books, getting outside, meaningful conversation...

- Dependency over independence

- Continuing loss of freedoms and not enough seem to even care or realize

- Dumbing down - kids and adults who cannot tell you who the VP is or who their elected representatives are or where Canada is on the map

- Political correctness run-amok (including the way we "fight" wars)

- Priorities for many are way messed up: I volunteered for a while at a legal aid charity... mostly evictions and bankruptcies ... funny thing is ... these people coming in to get help to fight an eviction because they didn't pay their rent or coming in to declare bankruptcy... Without exception they all had cell phones. With the bankruptcy, I got a good look at what these folks had - besides a half-dozen maxed out credit cards: cable TV, big screen TVs, restaurant bills, designer clothing, and a bunch of other personal property crap that was purchased on easy credit.

BTW: We are debt free!!! No mortgage, no car payments, no credit card balance, kids college is already paid for... How? Purchasing old vehicles for cash rather than financing new, first 15 years of marriage not a single vacation, rather than a big wedding we took that money and purchased our first house... etc. We are also planting 30 black walnut trees so that in 30 years we can help pay for our grand-kids college. A mature walnut fetches between $3k and $6k... A couple weeks work now and a couple hundred bucks --- well worth it! Plus a good food source in the meantime....

---- this list could go on for a while... but you should get the idea... and I'm rambling...

[FVR]

I'm kind of happy, my hand is all the way up. I get back to primitive when I want and can, modern world is not too bad.

I once stated to my grandfather that I thought that I was born to late in time. He said that maybe, just maybe that I was born at the perfect time. A time to see some of the old ways, learn them, and to teach them to my kids who will teach their kids.



Let's see:


Some "civilized" things I am fed up with:

- Kids who graduate from high school who cannot read, write or make change unless the cash register tells them how (we homeschool our 1 son btw - and the lessons include cutting, splitting and stacking firewood!)...



The blame rests on the lazy arse parents who use the schools as a baby sitter.



- Obsession with pop-culture over real things like real history, good books, getting outside, meaningful conversation...


The blame lies on the parents who raise children without boundaries.



- Dependency over independence


Society changes that are failing.


- Continuing loss of freedoms and not enough seem to even care or realize


Parents don't push education and reading, they just go with the flow. Somewhere the flow changed and instead of heading to the ocean, it's going to the sewer.


- Dumbing down - kids and adults who cannot tell you who the VP is or who their elected representatives are or where Canada is on the map

Again, parents to blame. If you allow this to happen in the schools, it will. You need to go to your childrens school and be a part of it. Don't give the work crap, your real job is to raise children.


- Political correctness run-amok (including the way we "fight" wars)


That's what happens when we allow politicians who never spent one day in the military to run wars. PC, gonna happen, deal with it.


- Priorities for many are way messed up: I volunteered for a while at a legal aid charity... mostly evictions and bankruptcies ... funny thing is ... these people coming in to get help to fight an eviction because they didn't pay their rent or coming in to declare bankruptcy... Without exception they all had cell phones. With the bankruptcy, I got a good look at what these folks had - besides a half-dozen maxed out credit cards: cable TV, big screen TVs, restaurant bills, designer clothing, and a bunch of other personal property crap that was purchased on easy credit.


Personal responsibility, let's cry to the US gov. to pay our bills. Instant gratification rules and destroys. They complain about money, but they drive 20 plus gran cars have all the latest techno crap, and no place to live. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa....cry me a river.


BTW: We are debt free!!! No mortgage, no car payments, no credit card balance, kids college is already paid for... How? Purchasing old vehicles for cash rather than financing new, first 15 years of marriage not a single vacation,


AWSOME! We are working on it. No credit cards, one car paid off, second car will be by July, then we start on the house.


Morning ramblings by a dad tired of watching cartoons with the kids.

[LeaveThisLifeGuy]

1. that is terribly depressing that there are only about 100 uncontacted tribes left in the world. the wild places are ever dwindling :(

2. life's all about balance. i prefer to balance "civilized" living with primitive living. a good dose of both does a person well, i think. labor certainly has its place in a hierarchy of values, but so does working one's brain. work the mind, work the body, repeat.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Yeah, and here come the missionaries. I guarantee it.

Next thing you know, these free and proud peoples sell all their land for a couple of blankets and end up as bellhops and chambermaids for rich white folks.

Why they gotta be white? You got something against white folks?

[wareagle69]

ain't my fault i'm rich i earned by listening to e f hutton

[Teotwawki]

FVR: Good Post.

To the list I will add that Saturday Morning Cartoons are not what they used to be! Nothing like an unedited Bugs Bunny cartoon!

Now we've got square bob sponge pants and I don't know what else...

[Alpine_Sapper]

FVR: Good Post.

To the list I will add that Saturday Morning Cartoons are not what they used to be! Nothing like an unedited Bugs Bunny cartoon!

Now we've got square bob sponge pants and I don't know what else...

If you don't know what else, how can you make that blanket statement that they're not what they used to be? However, I will agree with you. They are so much better. Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry simply taught that violence was ok and that no one got hurt. Cartoons nowadays teach some values. I can sit down with my kid and watch an episode of sponge bob or my little ponies or Ben 10 or any number of other cartoons and see the lesson that the writers are imparting on their audience. Just because I personally find Spooge bob mind-numbing doesn't mean that it's bad for kids, it just means I don't find the same thing entertaining that my kid does. Gee, go figger.

[Rick]

I would guess every generation has cited some of the same things that were outlined above. How would you feel about prohibition? Talk about loss of freedoms?! Can't take a drink in your own home? How about burning witches? How about taxation without representation? I think it's all relative. We see things that are a problem to us (and much of what was posted is a problem to be sure) but I doubt it's any more or less relative than what our ancestors considered problems. "My kid don't need no schoolin'. Cain't learn 'em anything anyhow." Now we're concerned that kids don't receive an education. Enough examples, you get my point.

Change what you can, influence what you can. Don't worry about the rest.

[Teotwawki]

"If you don't know what else, how can you make that blanket statement that they're not what they used to be?"

Because they are in no way memorable and I don't watch-em and didn't want to waste what little brain power I have trying to remember the names of any of them - but since you attempted to call me on it...

Hey - if you think they are teaching your kids valuable moral lessons - great!

Lets see: Powder Puff girls: violent. Courage the Cowardly Dog: Violent. Pokemon: Violent. Dexter's Lab: violent. Not sure how violent sponge pants is but I'm pretty sure the crabby patties are made from some lovable, helpless little character on the show: Violence and cannibalism.

Old cartoon violence: Just harmless silly slapstick humor from my perspective. One of the funnest games in the world when I was a kid was cowboy and Indian or cops and robbers - or other variation. Just another lesson is senseless violence I guess... and definitely not PC to play those games as a kid these days.

My Little Ponies - is an oldie - first aired in 1986 and last new episode aired in 1992 (22 and 16 years ago).

Ben 10 - just read a synopsis of it on cartoon network. Violent.

And where the h*ll did I say that today's cartoon lineup was bad for kids. You just made that one up. If you are going to slam me for something, don't make stuff up to do it.

I prefer slapstick violence to the more realistic stuff - it is more obviously fantasy.

Gee, go figger.

[Alpine_Sapper]

"If you don't know what else, how can you make that blanket statement that they're not what they used to be?"

Because they are in no way memorable and I don't watch-em and didn't want to waste what little brain power I have trying to remember the names of any of them - but since you attempted to call me on it...

Hey - if you think they are teaching your kids valuable moral lessons - great!

Lets see: Powder Puff girls: violent. Courage the Cowardly Dog: Violent. Pokemon: Violent. Dexter's Lab: violent. Not sure how violent sponge pants is but I'm pretty sure the crabby patties are made from some lovable, helpless little character on the show: Violence and cannibalism.

Old cartoon violence: Just harmless silly slapstick humor from my perspective. One of the funnest games in the world when I was a kid was cowboy and Indian or cops and robbers - or other variation. Just another lesson is senseless violence I guess... and definitely not PC to play those games as a kid these days.

My Little Ponies - is an oldie - first aired in 1986 and last new episode aired in 1992 (22 and 16 years ago).

Ben 10 - just read a synopsis of it on cartoon network. Violent.

And where the h*ll did I say that today's cartoon lineup was bad for kids. You just made that one up. If you are going to slam me for something, don't make stuff up to do it.

I prefer slapstick violence to the more realistic stuff - it is more obviously fantasy.

Gee, go figger.


I never said todays cartoons weren't violent. I simply stated that they actually have some value other than just the entertainment via violence. And if you have kids, you should expend the energy to remember the cartoons your kids watch. That's good parenting. Otherwise, go buy them a copy of GTA IV like all the rest of the parents. If you don't have kids, why are you watching cartoons?

Oh, and for your information, My Little Ponies still has new episodes coming out...On DVD.

And just to clarify, I never stated that you said the lineup was "bad for kids". What I said was "If you don't know what else, how can you make that blanket statement that they're not what they used to be? However, I will agree with you[that they're not what they used to be]. They are so much better." This simply implies that your talking out your arse about something your uninformed on. The rest of my post was to expand on why I disagree with you that today's cartoons are better.

I wasn't "attempting" to slam you. And I didn't make anything up. You just read to much into what I said. I'd say I'm sorry if you got your little fweewings hurt, but that would be untruthful, since I don't care. I was just disagreeing with you and providing evidence of why. And what you prefer is not necessarily what's better for the kids.

[FVR]

I beg to differ.


Many cartoons today are alot more violent than bugs and the road runner.

Watch a Sat. morning lineup sometime.

We push the Disney Channel, Discover, and PBS.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I beg to differ.


Many cartoons today are alot more violent than bugs and the road runner.

Watch a Sat. morning lineup sometime.

We push the Disney Channel, Discover, and PBS.

differ with who? Nobody has said today's cartoons aren't violent. Cartoons have ALWAYS been violent. Popeye, Bugs and Daffy, or any one of todays. Except for the channels you mentioned and very few others (and Disney has quite a few violent cartoons as well) most cartoons are violent. But so is life. Art imitates life.

[Alpine_Sapper]

My point was that while ALL cartoons are violent, at least todays cartoons TEACH something in ADDITION to being violent.

[Rick]

Let me get this straight.....we're arguing about cartoons? Cartoons!? (chuckles to self) The sun is shining. There is a nice breeze blowing and we're arguing about cartoons. Okay.

By the way, I don't think Daffy Duck thought they were less violent way back then when his poor little duck bill wound up on top his little head. Or, the poor coyote when those ACME (clearly made in China!) gizmos blew up on him.

Arguing about cartoons, huh?

[Jeffersonpaine]

Im definitley not raising my hand. I m sick and tired

[FVR]

This could get to be hot.

Some who are "sick and tired" are those that complain and do for themselves. They don't vote, write letters, visit with teachers more than once or twice a year, or help those that are on hard times.

I hear all the time on the radio of those that are sick and tired, they are the ones that want the gov. to be their mommy's and daddy's, pay their bills because they spent all their money on candy.

I always fancied myself as a hermit type guy. Then I realized oneday, being a hermit is awfully sad. It's nice to kick up the feet and use a clicker to change the channel, especially after a day of using a sledge or jackhammer, or even spending the day stuck in Atl traffic with bozo's who think getting to their destination 5 minutes earlier is worth risking their lives.

[Arkansas_Ranger]

I'm quite fond of the comforts of life. Safe, dry, climate-controlled housing; safe, dry, climate-controlled transportation; food available at every grocery store and general retailer; fast food restaurants; sit-down restaurants; cable, satellite, internet, rental movies, movie theathers, radio stations, readily available entertainment; furniture to sit on; clean water everywhere; flavored beverages; general safety; medical treatment at the drop of a hat; inexpensive medical copays; nearly free pharmaceuticals; ability to purchase "big boy toys"....COMFORT.

We worked for thousands of years to reach this level. Granted, the polllution and lack of regard for the environment coupled with the general disregard for mankind sucks. That general disregard is all encompassing too with crime, political backstabbing, etc.

I'm glad I'm where I'm at. :)

[Alpine_Sapper]

coupled with the general disregard for mankind sucks. That general disregard is all encompassing too with crime, political backstabbing, etc.

I'm glad I'm where I'm at. :)

people have been hating each other for no reason other than the sky is blue since we crawled out of the oceans and grew legs. Technology didn't change it, and neither will a neo-luddite movement to get rid of it and a mass exodus back to the bush. What happens then? We go from fighting over falling drunk on someone's car to fighting over who shot the whitetail first.

[dragonjimm]

3/4 raised yes the better things that modern life offers is good. question is how much of the bad can i change or put up with.
My son is in the scouts as a way to challenge him both mentally and physically I volunteered for the same challenges.:) a minor goal is to have an off grid house with no utility bills other then satellite and phone and the phone i can live without :D
I am much better off then many of my neighbors financially not everything is paid for but in the event of a major shtf it wont matter.
we, me and the TDW both push our kids in their school work where they took the best read award at school and maintain A averages. my oldest is going to fourth and already has had algebra and knows more about computers then i did in high school
our house in the suburbs is a prison to me so in retaliation i have the ugliest grass in three blocks and prefer to do my metal working in the back yard about nap time on Saturday.
I would with out much hesitation move some where remote and arrange visits with the wife and kids...lol

Need a hand with that school? I was raised splitting wood. In high school me and a buddy cut wood to sell. after 1 load to his house and 1 load to mine we were free to sell the rest. about 9 to 12 loads a week we would deliver one or two a day after school.
I volunteered my son to help a guy at work split wood this summer and fall.:D
and of coures he is now cutting our grass and the ladie's across the street and last fall he learned to rake. Point is, teach youre kids while their young to enjoy work and they'll have a much easier life.
2. spongebob sucks hands down but so did my little ponies
of course i let my oldest stay up and watch anime with me :eek:

[wareagle69]

well i didn't think i had anything to say on this but i think i do.
the other day i was drinking my cup of coffee on the porch looking at the bush less than a 100 ft from my house thinking how do i make the "wilderness"(bush, desert,swamp,jungle,mountains)more friendly and less unfriendly. thinking how much i enjoy my coffee and hate blackflies and sqeeters and my favorite thing to do eat..... how could i live more in harmony, then i got to thinking about people who bug out, really how long do you honestly beleive they will last out there, i say no more than 6 months soon as winter hits most will be back in the city looking for shelter, as i see it the first year will be the hardest adjusting to the new situation and survivng the hordes of unprepared after that it will be cruise control

[Rick]

The countless empty cabins in Alaska probably support your theory, WE. Those that prepared and had realistic expectations or were just to danged stubborn to give up are the only ones to push through. Folks like Chuck and Hopeak and Wildwoman.

dragonjimm - The neighbors and I have been meaning to talk to you about the grass and all that racket you make on Saturdays!!!

[crashdive123]

Two hands up for me. I like my life.

[Rick]

Hand me your money while your hands are in the air.

[crashdive123]

Careful. It's guarded by the pygmies.

[Ole WV Coot]

I am a happy camper. I laugh every time some smarta$$ cracks a Redneck joke. I was away from these hills for 35yrs and I hope everyone in every city I have ever worked in believes we are the typical ignorant people they think we are. We are doing ok in our neck of the woods, our good ole accent has saved me a few fights because we all carry knives or guns and will kill them in a heartbeat. I can hunt, fish, roam the hills on foot or ATV, carry my '45 and knife if I choose. No building permits, no dumb laws, I am in the city limits but I can blast away at targets with no problem. I think I'm in "HOG HEAVEN". Either on this side of the river or in KY.

[dragonjimm]

@rick....heh ...let me get these ear plugs out..lol

[Rick]

I think it's pretty easy to sit back and say I'd be a lot happier if things went sour. Down with civilization. But things like TB and polio are pretty much kept in check because of our civilization and you can bet they would run rampant if our lives were to change. The guy that just showed up at your cabin door with that cough. Is it a cold or TB? Are you willing to feed him and give him a place to stay tonight in exchange for a good case of consumption? Maybe not.

Those of you that live off grid, how many see a doctor regularly? How about a dentist? (You don't actually have to answer, that's really rhetorical). But those things can shorten a life. You can say what you want about herbalists (I have no argument with them) but they've been around for hundreds of years. Only with the advent of mainstream medicine have we seen a reduction in infant mortality and an increase in the average life span of both men and women. Remove that from society and it would reverse in a heartbeat (no pun intended). If you don't believe me just look at third world countries.

Infant Mortality:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_inf_mor_rat-health-infant-mortality-rate&int=-1

Average Life Expectancy:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_tot_pop-life-expectancy-birth-total-population

[Teotwawki]

I did not say that you did not say they were not violent. I guess the shows you and your kids watch contain violence with a purpose.

I have one child and, as many parents do, we do not use the TV as a surrogate parent. We get 2 channels - 3 if the weather is just right.

Regardless of having a child I still like the old bugs bunny cartoons. To me, they are entertaining and have a sort of nostalgia value. None of your business whether I like watching old cartoons or not and I don't care if you like that or not. I still like playing board games too. Go figger.

Talk about reading too much into what someone posts - I simply stated that I thought "Saturday Cartoons" were not what they used to be and give me bugs bunny over the newer stuff and you go off on some crazy arse rant as if you are feeling a bit sensitive about what you let your kids do.

Here is one of the things you said, and I quote: "Just because I personally find Spooge [sic[ bob mind-numbing doesn't mean that it's bad for kids."

Yeah, OK, what is there to read into that? Did you just pull that comment out of your arse because you like to hear yourself talk or was it commentary on my bugs bunny post? I took it and still take it as a comment on what I posted. You did make crap up.

I think you are bit over sensitive myself.

Didn't get my fweewings hurt at all - especially by someone I don't know and will never meet and who has not earned and from my little interaction does not deserve my respect.

Just not to keen on having an innocent comment picked apart as if I'm a defendant in a court room (e.g. your comment: If you don't know what else, how can you make that blanket statement that they're not what they used to be?" Give me a break - I've never watched a moment of Sex in the City but I have a pretty good idea of what the show is about. I've not watched more than a minute or too of American Idol and I think I have a handle on what the show is about.

You say: I wasn't "attempting" to slam you. I guess you feel like you succeeded. Well - more power to ya big dog. Sorry if I don't roll over and show you my belly.

Think I'll find out now how well the "Ignore List" works.

[Rick]

Ah come on. Are we back to arguing about cartoons again?! Here's how I feel.....

http://frecklescassie.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/bagley-cartoon.gif

[crashdive123]

I'm 52 and like Bugs Bunny. Somebody got issues with that?:D:D:D:D

[Sarge47]

Hokay, time for a reality check! Early Bugs Bunny/WB stuff & Tom & Jerry kicked butt! I'll shove an ACME hand grenade up anybody's (BEEEEP!!) that says different.:rolleyes: Also, Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that if we didn't have the internet, which is powered by SATALITES, BTW, we wouldn't be "dissing" society to one another at all?:confused: Besides, who here is really going to give up their SUVs, their computer, Cell phones, video games, or Twinkies(sticking up for you Rick), answer me that!? I've got my hand raised waaaay up in the air because I like my creature comforts! Yes, there are some things I dislike about society, but I'm not throwing the "baby out with the bathwater". The reason that we have all the cool survival stuff that we own today is because of our present technology! One last question; does anybody here know if any of those "uncontacted" tribes were Pygmies?:D

[FVR]

My children prefer the old cartoons over the current ones. We have dvd's of Betty Boop, Bugs, Felix the Cat, Tom and Jerry, you get the drift.

I do like some of the newer cartoon movies, right now Surf's Up is on the top.

Now, we have only one tv. No tv's in kids rooms until they are mid to late teens and never a computer in their rooms. Computer is in the living room, in an armour that can be closed up. We have found that this worked well with the foster kids, so we just do it with our own kids.

I think the words are Moderation and Common Sense.

[Rick]

I'm a big Dora the Explorer fan and I like Diego.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Also, Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that if we didn't have the internet, which is powered by SATALITES, BTW, we wouldn't be "dissing" society to one another at all?

Well, I think I touched off a nerve with Teotwawki, so I'm going to avoid any further elaboration in a conversation that started with two innocent comments. I hope his ignore button works well. Golly gosh, I'd hate for him to go through life being pissed at me.

As for the above quoted text, you might wanna check your info Sarge. The internet is powered by copper and fiber. Satalites are for those unfortunate souls who are ouside of the current last-mile infrastructure. There are some point to point microwave dishes, but if satalite was a viable option we wouldn't have the trans-atlantic pipes getting cut and taking out connectivity between nations. I can get into a long arse post about WAN technology but I don't think anyone here realy cares.

[crashdive123]

Welllll.....Actually copper and fiber are the conduits for the flow of data and power. Electricity is what "powers" the internet.

[Alpine_Sapper]

My children prefer the old cartoons over the current ones. We have dvd's of Betty Boop, Bugs, Felix the Cat, Tom and Jerry, you get the drift.

I do like some of the newer cartoon movies, right now Surf's Up is on the top.

Now, we have only one tv. No tv's in kids rooms until they are mid to late teens and never a computer in their rooms. Computer is in the living room, in an armour that can be closed up. We have found that this worked well with the foster kids, so we just do it with our own kids.

I think the words are Moderation and Common Sense.

My kid has a computer in her room...But I have computers in just about every room. Only rooms that don't are the bathrooms. However, I also have a firewall where I can block certain traffic outbound if I don't want them surfing to a particular site, and I run an IDS that sets off an SNMP trap alert that triggers an SMS message to my cell phone if certain sites are visited, or if certain protocols like the various messengers (yahoo, aim, msn, ICQ, IRC, etc etc) traverse my network. Who said deep packet inspection was a waste of time?

Personally, I don't have time to sit and monitor what she's doing every time she wants to get on the computer, so I use the tools available to me to make sure I can still keep tabs on what she's doing. Hell, I can keep tabs on what the dog is doing by remotely logging into my network and activating one of my security cameras. AXIS products rock.

We like to give her the freedom to make negative decisions, but we do want to know about it so we can teach her why the decision was negative and help her to make better decisions in the future. This came about because we found that kids are pretty much going to do what they want to do, and if you turn the screws too tight, they'll just do it "behind your back", whether you really know about it or not.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Welllll.....Actually copper and fiber are the conduits for the flow of data and power. Electricity is what "powers" the internet.

rofl

Ohh, you SO funny GI. You should be comode-ian! You make buku money!

Seriously, you're right. Without electricity it'd all be expensive paperweights.

[crashdive123]

Yes it was tounge firmly planted in cheek (it's Swabby not GI, get it right). But we talk often about what would you do without electricity. Now the next statement is less true of most people here and more toward society in general. We have become a society so dependant on the internet, that without it life for many would change dramatically. Researching info, communicating via crackberries,..... you get the picture. It's the skills that we learn, practice, and pass on that will make survival more successful.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Yes it was tounge firmly planted in cheek (it's Swabby not GI, get it right). But we talk often about what would you do without electricity. Now the next statement is less true of most people here and more toward society in general. We have become a society so dependant on the internet, that without it life for many would change dramatically. Researching info, communicating via crackberries,..... you get the picture. It's the skills that we learn, practice, and pass on that will make survival more successful.

Agreed...but I think quite a few here would start going into convulsions from WSF addiction.

[Sam]

Agreed...but I think quite a few here would start going into convulsions from WSF addiction.

Just back away from the WIFI thingy and no gets hurt.... lol

[Ole WV Coot]

My only child, a boy can watch anything on TV he wants. I taught him to think for himself and he decides. Besides that he's 42yrs old.

[Sam Reeves]

I'm happy I don't have to contend with the "civilized world" on a daily basis. I'm also happy that civilization exists. We all see a doctor regularly. Although we'll probably home school our kids in the future he do currently send our kids to a public school. 70-80% of what we eat is bought at a store. My car wasn't homemade. I have the internet. I'm not Amish, Muslim or a Tibetan monk so I reckon a few modern convinces won't won't send me to hell or cause me to come back as a fly or something.

[Rick]

...We have become a society so dependant on the internet...

Man, how true is that? We share a lot of information with each other and naturally expect that it will be there the next time we want to look it up. I've started printing stuff out and putting it in a 3 ring binder just in case. I know it won't last 100 years like yesterday's quality cloth/paper but at least I'll have when I need it.

[dilligaf2u2]

Yes wareagle69! Go to prison. Get castrated! Spend an hour in prison, Get it cut off.

No time for splitting hairs. One rule fits all. Then again I would say he will be there with you if he gets convicted and for his type, I would have a special hell behind walls for him! There would be no release for him(ever). First offence would be one hour tied to a post and you get a straight razor to work him over. If he bleeds to death in that hour? Well he should have known better then hurt a kid!

Don

[Sarge47]

(it's Swabby not GI, get it right).

Hmmm, not "Squid"?:confused::rolleyes::eek::D

[crashdive123]

Hmmm, not "Squid"?:confused::rolleyes::eek::D

Squid, Bubblehead, Swabby, Twidget.....call me anything -- just don't call me late to dinner.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Squid, Bubblehead, Swabby, Twidget.....call me anything -- just don't call me late to dinner.

Ok, GI. :D

[crashdive123]

Ok, GI. :D

:D-:D-:D-:D-:D-:D-:D

[Jeffersonpaine]

What are you sick and tired of may i ask ?

I am sick of everybody trying to tell everybody else how to live their life and the government doing the same. Im sick of politicians that get voted in when saying they are going to do one thing just to do the opposite and making legislation their supporters would have never approved of. I am sick of people getting ****ed over by their government, waving a flag and then calling me unpatriotic because i talk about the faults of out country in an attempt to fix them. I am sick of this culture who will sit their all day and say how walmart is a horrible company and they treat their people badly and then go and shops there. I am sick of ADULTS that still belive in an imaginary freind telling me that if i dont buy their ridiculous fairytale i am going to go to hell. I am sick living in a country where we spit on the constitution, and have presidents in a secular government that say "I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."-George Bush Sr. I am sick of liberal pu**ies trying to take my guns, and conservatives trying to make gay marriage illegal. I am sick of being called gay by ignorant *** mother****ers because i support gay mariage. I am sick of a two party system, which is against the beliefs of the founding fathers. I am sick of the government taking money out of my pay check to pay for someone elses irresponsibility. I am sick of anti hunters, and peta idiots. I am mostly sick of the inability to fix the problems, and peoples unwillingness to give a ****.

Sorry, kinda got on a roll and couldnt stop, i hope i answered your question.

[Jeffersonpaine]

This could get to be hot.

Some who are "sick and tired" are those that complain and do for themselves. They don't vote, write letters, visit with teachers more than once or twice a year, or help those that are on hard times.

I hear all the time on the radio of those that are sick and tired, they are the ones that want the gov. to be their mommy's and daddy's, pay their bills because they spent all their money on candy.


wow, that is quite a mscharacterization , that is the opposite of what most people i know are sick of. I am a libertarian, And btw i vote, i write letters and am an activist, I work to make this place better, or at least i try, i am mostly sick of the people that you are assuming i represent, and how hard it is to make change, so please dont smear all of us with your prejudices.

[Rick]

If you aren't a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. It's one thing to condemn...well....everything looks like. It's quite another to provide the solutions to the problems. After all, anyone can complain.;)

[Jeffersonpaine]

If you aren't a part of the solution then you must be a part of the problem. It's one thing to condemn...well....everything looks like. It's quite another to provide the solutions to the problems. After all, anyone can complain.;)

I dont belive i understand your argument. I assume you are faulting me because i named problems and not solutions. If you hadnt noticed, i was asked what i was sick of,not what my solutions where. I answered the question as it was posed. I belive that your criticism is completley invalid, if that was indeed what your point was.

[wareagle69]

but what you say you are sick of example sick of making gay marriage iileagal while you dump on peta for trying to have animals treated humanly, i am not anti hunting i am for responsible hunting, it seems that you impede one persons right to say they are tired of the inbred rednecks(example)that poach yet they have the right to have same sex marriage kind of confusing to me, maybe see my other post in survival forum where i say alot less whining would make this world and forum better people have this thought that they are entitled to every thing, when what made this counrty great where the ww2 generation that worked hard..

[crashdive123]

I don't know ... Remy asked what he was sick of. He answered. I'm big on solutions, but he was asked.

[Jeffersonpaine]

but what you say you are sick of example sick of making gay marriage iileagal while you dump on peta for trying to have animals treated humanly, i am not anti hunting i am for responsible hunting, it seems that you impede one persons right to say they are tired of the inbred rednecks(example)that poach yet they have the right to have same sex marriage kind of confusing to me, maybe see my other post in survival forum where i say alot less whining would make this world and forum better people have this thought that they are entitled to every thing, when what made this counrty great where the ww2 generation that worked hard..

??? I am against people trying infringe on other peoples human rights, its pretty simple, what is it you dont get?

Peta ****s on my rights, anti gay marriage people **** on peoples chance for equal rights.

And once again, dont try and tell me i am whining, i answered the question as it was posed.

[Jeffersonpaine]

I don't know ... Remy asked what he was sick of. He answered. I'm big on solutions, but he was asked.

Thank you! If you guys want solutions just ask, im full of ideas. Not all good im sure, but i try.

[wareagle69]

so far and ethical treatment of animals is sh*ting on someones rights?
yeah i hate these stupid laws that infringe upon the right to beat my child...

[Jeffersonpaine]

so far and ethical treatment of animals is sh*ting on someones rights?
yeah i hate these stupid laws that infringe upon the right to beat my child...

Exacly what sect of PETA protects your children? im confused. I thought we where having a rational discussion where we would stay on the subject, apparently not. I am reffering to scientific testing, wearing fur, being able to trap and hunt, and being able to keep pets. Those are all things that peta opposes, so i oppose peta, Okay.

[Rick]

Hey, Jeffersonpaine. Mea Culpa. You are right, I read it out of context. My apologies!

[Jeffersonpaine]

Hey, Jeffersonpaine. Mea Culpa. You are right, I read it out of context. My apologies!

Well thank you, and I apologize for being so abrasive.

[Ken]

Well thank you, and I apologize for being so abrasive.

Sometimes an abrasive is required to polish up dull things. :D

[Jeffersonpaine]

Sometimes an abrasive is required to polish up dull things. :D

If you dont mind, Im gonna quote you on that! Good stuff.

[wareagle69]

never mind you missed the interpretation, as i think about this it falls under political disscussion so i'm out enjoy your night...

[Jeffersonpaine]

never mind you missed the interpretation, as i think about this it falls under political disscussion so i'm out enjoy your night...

well i apologise but the discussion was about what i am sick of, which, im my case is amost completley politically based. I was not purpously trying to make a political discussion on this subject, for me it is just inherent.

[BraggSurvivor]

I also love my life but if I had to pick one thing that Im sick of, it would have to be the school system and society trying to pressure my children into accepting homosexual relationships and homosexual marriages as being "normal".

Really pisses me off.

[wareagle69]

oh crap here we go.... and in this corner.... whats a matter bragg are you a grumpy kitty again?

[wildWoman]

Never ceases to amaze me how people loving each other can bother some peole so much. Boys, you really got pms again, go chop some wood or something :cool: :D

[BraggSurvivor]

oh crap here we go.... and in this corner.... whats a matter bragg are you a grumpy kitty again?

Yea WE, a little crusty lately. Not enough BBQing, sleeping, sawing off enough chunks and working to hard. Need to go on a holiday. ;)

[crashdive123]

For a guy that seems to have gotten used to only going to the office a couple of days a week.....this project's got to be killing you.

[wareagle69]

ah no worries mate as much of a pain in the arse as ya are to me i amlost and i stress almost missed your threads on the collapse of the world economies..hang in there bro

[BraggSurvivor]

For a guy that seems to have gotten used to only going to the office a couple of days a week.....this project's got to be killing you.

You can say that again. To top it off, the same roofers who started the fire, stripped off 80' of roof down to the concrete last friday. Afternoon rains came in and caused another 350K in damage. Still can't believe it. :mad:

[BraggSurvivor]

ah no worries mate as much of a pain in the arse as ya are to me i amlost and i stress almost missed your threads on the collapse of the world economies..hang in there bro

:D:D:D:D:D:D.....Now your the one making me laugh!

[Jeffersonpaine]

I also love my life but if I had to pick one thing that Im sick of, it would have to be the school system and society trying to pressure my children into accepting homosexual relationships and homosexual marriages as being "normal".

Really pisses me off.

You know, i wrote about 3 paragraphs ranting and raving about your comment, but im not gonna bite. Your comment speaks for its self, if you want to leave that up there for the world to see, i dont need to say anything to defame your character or destroy your argument. It will let people know who and what you really are.

[wareagle69]

ya don't worry paine bragg was just playing with his food before he ate it...

[BraggSurvivor]

You know, i wrote about 3 paragraphs ranting and raving about your comment, but im not gonna bite. Your comment speaks for its self, if you want to leave that up there for the world to see, i dont need to say anything to defame your character or destroy your argument. It will let people know who and what you really are.

Thank you.

[Jeffersonpaine]

ya don't worry paine bragg was just playing with his food before he ate it...

How do you mean?

[wareagle69]

must i explain every thing ahem here we go(wish trax was here)look at his avatar and him being a grumpy kitty

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