Gun owners of Illinois march to State Capitol

[jim Glass]

This activity is abbreviated IGOLD for Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day. We went to Springfield Illinois by the bus load for this annual event. This was not a demonstration or protest. We went to the state capitol as a show of strength and determination and we actually spoke to our state representatives face to face. I was there, took a bus out of Rockford to the capitol. I hand delivered a letter to the governors office. People were well behaved, no disruptions, but we were all very serious about our cause.

Illinois is under a siege of proposed gun control bills after recent shootings in the US and in Aurora and Rockford Illinois where a police officer was killed while serving and arrest warrant. In both cases in Illinois the shooter could not legally be in possession of a firearm but had one anyway and killed people with it.

From tips from the NRA and Illinois State Rifle association I have been writing my representatives almost weekly and daily at times protesting proposed gun control bills. Illinois is #1 in the US for decreasing population. We have to many rules, high taxes, and lousy weather, low opportunity.

The Youtube video is a tad long but shows how huge the turnout really was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1oswox4OE4

The speaches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmgrWqJWsM

Speech outside capitol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBWbrHRp7I&t=1060s

[crashdive123]

Good luck.

[Rick]

I wish you luck, Jim. I think Lori Lightfoot is going to try to bring even more gun legislation to Chicago. That could have a downstate impact.

[Phaedrus]

You miss every shot that you don't take. Kudos for participating in the process.

[jim Glass]

Well,,,I have done all I can do. I went to the state capitol, written countless letters to representatives and phoned countless representative on gun controls. I'm a member of the NRA, Gun Owners of America, Illinois State Rifle Association. I encourage others to do the same. What ever happens, happens.

[kyratshooter]

And in contrast, Matt Bevin, the governor of Kentucky, (yep, the state just south of you that you drive through to get to Florida) last month signed into law the legislation that verifies the right of "Constitutional carry" in the state of Kentucky.

There is always an alternative. What the government wills does not have to be what will be.

Our nation was founded by people that came here to escape oppressive government actions.

Cross the River into the Promise Land!

The recession is over, real estate prices are back to normal and there is a good market. Now is the time to make a move and if the kids want to see you they can drive down to Kentucky, its not that far! He!! you can drive up to see them occasionally, you drive back and forth to Florida two or three times a year.

[Rick]

Or across the line into Indiana where lifetime carry for one fee is a reality. Open or concealed. Our governing body has some common sense.

[crashdive123]

Unfortunately the assault on our freedoms is never ending. Florida is a 2nd Amendment freindly state. There is now an effort (with a lot of outside funding) to get a ballot initiative for our next election to amend the state constitution that would ban a whole lot of popular weapons. If it passes, I will be moving.

[BENESSE]

Unfortunately the assault on our freedoms is never ending. Florida is a 2nd Amendment freindly state. There is now an effort (with a lot of outside funding) to get a ballot initiative for our next election to amend the state constitution that would ban a whole lot of popular weapons. If it passes, I will be moving.

Where? :blink:

[jim Glass]

Where? :blink:

I rather doubt Florida would amend the state constitution especially to ban weapons. I would predict any politician that votes in favor of gun control isn't likely to get re-elected. Even though Florida has 21 million people it is very gun friendly. I could be wrong, been wrong before. If I lived in Florida I would worry about the next hurricane not my guns.

Back to "where?". The mid South and states West of the Mississippi R with the exception of California seem gun friendly. Illinois is gun friendly with the exception of Chicago. Chicago needs to break away from Illinois and form their own state. Personally I would move to Iowa since I already have a house there and a place to shoot, then winter in Florida.

[Rick]

Chicago needs to break away from Illinois and form their own state.

I'm not too certain they already haven't.

[crashdive123]

I rather doubt Florida would amend the state constitution especially to ban weapons. I would predict any politician that votes in favor of gun control isn't likely to get re-elected. Even though Florida has 21 million people it is very gun friendly. I could be wrong, been wrong before. If I lived in Florida I would worry about the next hurricane not my guns.

Back to "where?". The mid South and states West of the Mississippi R with the exception of California seem gun friendly. Illinois is gun friendly with the exception of Chicago. Chicago needs to break away from Illinois and form their own state. Personally I would move to Iowa since I already have a house there and a place to shoot, then winter in Florida.

I'm not so sure. While I agree that it would never happen through the legislative process, here the Constitution can be amended with the required number of signatures to get it on the ballot for a vote and then if it receives 60% of the vote it then becomes law. (simplified explanation, but you see what I'm getting at)

As to the where - that would take quite a bit more research.

[Old GI]

I rather doubt Florida would amend the state constitution especially to ban weapons. I would predict any politician that votes in favor of gun control isn't likely to get re-elected. Even though Florida has 21 million people it is very gun friendly. I could be wrong, been wrong before. If I lived in Florida I would worry about the next hurricane not my guns.

Back to "where?". The mid South and states West of the Mississippi R with the exception of California seem gun friendly. Illinois is gun friendly with the exception of Chicago. Chicago needs to break away from Illinois and form their own state. Personally I would move to Iowa since I already have a house there and a place to shoot, then winter in Florida.

Better add Kolorado to you exception list. I'm voting with my feet shortly.

[Phaedrus]

Unfortunately the assault on our freedoms is never ending. Florida is a 2nd Amendment freindly state. There is now an effort (with a lot of outside funding) to get a ballot initiative for our next election to amend the state constitution that would ban a whole lot of popular weapons. If it passes, I will be moving.

There's still room in Montana! Although you may find our winters a bit harsher than the "winter" in FL!

[crashdive123]

Montana and Wyoming are on the list of places to research.

[BENESSE]

Montana and Wyoming are on the list of places to research.

Believe it or not, we are doing such research in earnest. It's tougher than we thought.
While we love WY, we can't see ourselves there in the winter. Plus, being on or near a large body of water is really important to us. Coastal SC & NC have made the short list.

[crashdive123]

Don't get me wrong -- I love it here, but I won't live someplace that makes law abiding citizens felons. I'm hopeful it won't happen, and the Florida legislature is working on changing the passing threshold on constitutional amendments to 66% from 60% (used to be 50%).

I have lived on or near the water for my entire life. I'd rather not change that now..........and yeah.........would prefer not to live where the winters are harsh (anything below 60).

[Seniorman]

South Carolina is not a bad place to live. Beats the various repressive states by a long shot. Good luck.

S.M.

[BENESSE]

South Carolina is not a bad place to live. Beats the various repressive states by a long shot. Good luck.

S.M.

Plus, Lindsey Graham and Trey Goudy are from there so it can't be all bad.

[2dumb2kwit]

Plus, Lindsey Graham and Trey Goudy are from there so it can't be all bad.

....and Rodney Scotts BBQ, in Charleston, has some of the best food you'll ever put in your mouth. LOL

[BENESSE]

....and Rodney Scotts BBQ, in Charleston, has some of the best food you'll ever put in your mouth. LOL

What do you know about Beaufort, SC?

[Rick]

Just what the mule tells him.

[Phaedrus]

Idaho is beautiful and perhaps the most gun friendly state in the US. A bit cold for you FL types but not as bad as MT or WY.

[kyratshooter]

Nobody lives in Idaho!

Really! They have 20 people per sq/mi and a population of less than two million.

Last time I looked they did not even have a road that linked the southern part of the state to the northern part. You actually had to leave the state to get from north border to south border.

Problem is that they are growing rapidly with an influx of people from the northeast coast, most looking for cheap cost of living and bringing anti-gun opinions not native to the region.

[madmax]

Nobody lives in Idaho!

Really! They have 20 people per sq/mi and a population of less than two million.

Last time I looked they did not even have a road that linked the southern part of the state to the northern part. You actually had to leave the state to get from north border to south border.

Problem is that they are growing rapidly with an influx of people from the northeast coast, most looking for cheap cost of living and bringing anti-gun opinions not native to the region.

What western states aren't?

[Rick]

Yeah, but they have Spud. And he has a compound. And you can work there...for free. I guess he's still there and hasn't been arrested or anything.

Just for fun on the wayback machine....

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?1890-From-Idaho

[Phaedrus]

Nobody lives in Idaho!

Really! They have 20 people per sq/mi and a population of less than two million.

Last time I looked they did not even have a road that linked the southern part of the state to the northern part. You actually had to leave the state to get from north border to south border.

Problem is that they are growing rapidly with an influx of people from the northeast coast, most looking for cheap cost of living and bringing anti-gun opinions not native to the region.

Still twice the population of Montana! There are some refuges from California but you still aren't likely to find better gun laws than ID, and that won't change in the lifetime of any of us over 50.

[rebel]

Crash, have you looked at South Georgia? If not, why not? Maybe I missed something.

[madmax]

I wouldn't count on Stacey Abrams not getting elected next time around. That will change GA. Sadly.

[kyratshooter]

I have found through personal observation that in any state with a large urban population your 2nd amendment rights will be endangered. Even in Texas the urban centers are anti-gun, especially if they have a strong University/academic population.

For instance, KY and TN have almost the same populations but TN has most of that population centered in four large "liberal" urban centers of over 1 million each. Firearms ownership rights have always been in danger there through my entire lifetime.

Kentucky has the same population but it is spread over a rural base with only one urban area over 1 million strong, Louisville. The politicians in Louisville shoot steam out their ears at every legislative session due to the immediate shutdown of their fresh gun control legislation, but they still put it on the table every year!

While Louisville locally is extremely anti-gun the state laws are extremely gun friendly and my representatives spend a good deal of time protecting me from what Louisville wants.

Look for states that have no large population centers, or are strongly rural, not just a low population. Otherwise you get into that situation Jim is dealing with, where Chicago, New York, LA/San Francisco dominate the legislatures of the entire state.

[crashdive123]

Crash, have you looked at South Georgia? If not, why not? Maybe I missed something.

I used to own property in Kingsland. Not a fan of state income taxes.

[crashdive123]

I'm still in the fight and not giving up or in. Defeating this amendment if it gets on the ballot will be my mission. There are also legal options. A state constitution should not be able to supercede the Constitution.

[madmax]

We're still the "Gunshine State".

[jim Glass]

I'm still in the fight and not giving up or in. Defeating this amendment if it gets on the ballot will be my mission. There are also legal options. A state constitution should not be able to supercede the Constitution.

We all need to contact our representatives, make some noise so they know gun supporters are around. I think gun supporters are a majority in most or all states we need to make representatives aware that we are here and we vote.

On the another subject, two of our state representatives have a public meeting Tuesday on the Illinois state budget. I plan to attend that meeting and tell the representatives Illinois needs to file bankruptcy, it is impossible to tax our way out of debt. Doing so will only drive people out of the state making financial recovery even more difficult.

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