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So spring is right around the corner and I usually take a long trip into the wilderness for about three weeks at a time come mid March/ June. Anyway I am planing on making this trip my first youtube video, anyone got any challenges for me this go around. I don't care how far fetched the idea just throw it out there. I was considering a random priced Walmart or even dollar store challenge, or a minimal gear challenge like just a knife/ maybe a pot hell I'll even do a no gear challenge, not saying I'll make it three weeks but I will try. I would obviously have to bring a solar charger along with cameras to film but want to know what you guys would like to see. Thanks for your input.
old soldier
03-20-2019, 11:11 AM
just go on Naked and Afraid and become famous
madmax
03-20-2019, 12:16 PM
Pot and Machete Challenge. Several of us here in FL have done this. You get a pot and machete and the clothes on your back. Want fire? Bow and drill or hand drill with onsite material. Want shelter? Build it. Want water? Boil it. Want food? Find it. 3 days is what we started with. Hope you like grubs and roots.
just go on Naked and Afraid and become famous
Naked and afraid is too fake, maybe I'll send in my audition video when they stop using cgi to make the show more dramatic. Lol
Pot and machete sounds good. I'll put into consideration. I have done 2 days with just and pot and knife no problem. I already planed on a fresh area as not to already have a shelter built. Even if I didn't have a blade meat is always an option weather it be fish, crayfish, fresh water snails or mammals. There are plenty of edible plants in the northeast to make salads. I'm so glad you said a pot. Water is always my main concern, without a container to boil water I'd be sucking on moss for two to three weeks lol. I have drank directly from a spring before, but will not be in that area and even then water source can become contaminated pretty easy by wildlife.
FYI old solder I am doing this for educational purposes not for ego, I could care less about subscriptions, just want to share skills and knowledge, not to many people have videos on survival that last more than 48 hours, even primitive technology is filmed in the guys back yard lol. Witch reminds me if anyone has any methods or skills that I don't already know to put to the test I will do research and give them a try. But keep in mind I have laws I must follow when hunting, trapping and fishing. Sadly dead falls are out of the question.
kyratshooter
03-22-2019, 10:40 AM
First and most important challenge, turn off the computer and go without internet and social media for the next month.
You don't even have to go to the woods and starve or break the law to complete this one.
First and most important challenge, turn off the computer and go without internet and social media for the next month.
You don't even have to go to the woods and starve or break the law to complete this one.
I got you there. Despite being 25 I haven't had social media since I was 13, I grew up in the streets with a crack head as a mother until I was 13. Barely had heat through those times let alone Internet, or even a tv. Just recently got social media in my life less than a month (just twitter) witch is more for news than anything, unless of course you count this forum. Add all that up and I beat that challenge more than a thousand times. Starving is included in this challenge. I'm am the type that begins to get frustrated by society the more I am in it, the only escape is the wilderness. I also just recently made a youtube channel, one for teaching and learning (not ego). I am the type that when I get older I want to teach the younger generations what I know, and not be prejudice against them assuming that anyone younger can't be off their cell phone for more than 20 minutes. I'm not your typical young gun. The fact that you are a senior member on this forum with almost 10,000 posts just goes to show you would have a harder time with this challenge. You probably have more time staring at a screen than I do and that's not counting the age factor, and that you have lived longer than me. I don't know if you get off on being prejudice against younger people, but this generation is saving the wilderness that older generations destroyed. Even if we do use computers and social media to do it. Instead of belittling people encourage them. (Thank you madmax)
Anyway if anyone has some real challenges (non prejudice) I would love to give them a shot. Thanks to everyone who has been more than welcome. I look forward to sharing my experience (and mistakes) to better educate people.
If you spend too much time thinking of a thing you will never get it done. -Bruce Lee.
I will live and die by this motto.
I am dependent on the wilderness not technology or society.
You can quote me on that.
LowKey
03-23-2019, 09:59 AM
Despite the name on the forum, most of the folks here mostly prepare for the unexpected, local disasters, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods.... Not so much running out to the woods to "survive." Survival situations aren't anything to go seeking.
Lasting 3 weeks in the woods with a knife is just a game. If you are of the mindset that you want to survive when the SHTF, or even a long economic downturn, you might want to think a little more long term. Find a way to afford a place of your own to homestead, get dug in, get a large enough garden up to meet your needs, learn about animal husbandry. Running off to the wilderness is not going to be an option. There are 300million other folks around the country that may beat you to it, and soon they all will be eating rocks and tree bark and burning their socks to keep warm. Not enough forage out there to sustain a family, let alone a whole population. Also on the subject of land, in a bad situation, trespassers might be shot on sight. Don't be one.
Unfortunately a huge fraction of those 300 million people will be raiding small farms and homesteads of family's who think sitting around playing Amish will be ok during an economic/ government/ whatever collapse. I know it's just a show but take walking dead for example, take out the zombies and we will still have the same collapsed society. Just look what happens every time those nice people sit around and get comfortable, same thing will surely happen to everyone who does the same only in the real world all those threats won't be brain dead taking 5 steps a minute. Those who live a nomadic lifestyle, living off the land like nomadic tribes that have been her longer than anyone while chaos is breaking loose will have a higher chance of surviving. To think a population of 300 million will be in the woods like me is unrealistic. More likely they will be your problem. You can argue and say a bunch of good people will work together to make that happen but again similar to walking dead and life now, people will have there own agendas in your reformed society that likely has its own hierarchy. All it takes is a few people not to agree with your new government laws and another collapse begins. Every time someone leaves your colony you risk compromising your security, only way to deal with that is not let people leave (however that may be) then look what you have become your people will soon see that too and turn as well. It's great to have a place of your own to homestead, get dug in, get a large enough garden up to meet your needs, learn about animal husbandry now in today's economy, but when SHTF it is unrealistic to think you can use that as a safety net, if anything it puts a target on your back. Meanwhile I'm running around the woods "playing" native American. Sure I will have my own threats in the wilderness but I'm sure my chances are better than yours so I will take them.
Why do I feel like I'm going to get ganged up on by senor members now.
crashdive123
03-23-2019, 03:54 PM
I am assuming the challenges you want to undertake are threefold. 1 - improve your skills, 2 - improve your confidence and 3 - have some fun. I would suggest a serious self-assessment of your skills and then focus on what your weakest ones are. By doing so you will improve an area that you are weak in along with building your confidence.
For example, my knowledge of wild edible is limited. It is a skill/knowledge that I would work on. Of course, that particular one would require me to work on it prior to an extended outing. I have taken some classes in the past, but would need to ramp up the learning.
When I think of skills that are required for an extended minimalist stay (fire, water, shelter, food, etc.) they all have one thing in common and that is to master them before they are needed for survival.
I know that you have done this before and have a skill/knowledge base --- that is why I recommended a self assessment.
crashdive123
03-23-2019, 03:57 PM
Oh - having read your last post...........what sort of SHTF do you envision? I couldn't disagree with your last statement any more in that post.
I am assuming the challenges you want to undertake are threefold. 1 - improve your skills, 2 - improve your confidence and 3 - have some fun. I would suggest a serious self-assessment of your skills and then focus on what your weakest ones are. By doing so you will improve an area that you are weak in along with building your confidence.
For example, my knowledge of wild edible is limited. It is a skill/knowledge that I would work on. Of course, that particular one would require me to work on it prior to an extended outing. I have taken some classes in the past, but would need to ramp up the learning.
When I think of skills that are required for an extended minimalist stay (fire, water, shelter, food, etc.) they all have one thing in common and that is to master them before they are needed for survival.
I know that you have done this before and have a skill/knowledge base --- that is why I recommended a self assessment.
I couldn't agree more. Every time I go into the wilderness it's a self assessment. In a way life is a self assessment, we want to better our selves by touching up on our weakness. I would consider myself an avid survivalist (for my area). I know how to make a friction fire despite extreme humidity levels, know many plants, medicinal and edible, and primitive hunting experience. The whole reason. if you read the original post is to accept a challenge that I may or may not be able to do and document it. Weather I am successful or not assess and not just a self assessment. There is a reason people don't grade themselves on test because it's easy to bias if favor of yourself. For example where I see I'm doing nothing wrong you may point out flaws, without an assessment of other people I wouldn't know. I've been self assessing myself my whole life as most of us do. Another example would be if you taught yourself how to make blades, it's possible but would be faster and make less mistakes if you were taught how and had someone assess your methods and help prevent mistakes. It is exactly this I intended to accomplish. Its also why I ask if anyone has any methods and or skills that I may not know to give it a shot. I may fail miserable in fact it's likely but without making mistakes you can't fix them and without advice from someone that knows more about said skill that would be a slow process. Mastering fire, finding water, answer making shelter, with the safety and comfort of having your house or some form of civilization close by is different than the stress of a real situation. For example at home you can make a knife with little to no effort, like the guys on forged in fire, once there on the show not at the comfort of their own forge the real stress is on and you see master blacksmiths make mistakes. It's these stressful situations I plan on not just (like you said) my confidence but my skills in general. The the SHTF I expect is real big sh*#, not natural disasters witch most have warnings and a trip to the grocery store to stock up on bread milk and eggs will suffice until things are in order. Meaning stocking up on extreme amounts of food guns ammo and having a full blown homestead is unnecessary. It would be nice to have but unnecessary. Prepping for a natural disaster is waiting for a warning and stocking up on 2 weeks supply (at most) and riding it out. The fact that someone owns an entire homestead during a really bad natural disaster means they have more assets to lose. You have been nothing but nice to me and your comment shows you are a neutral party (witch I appreciate) but when someone (a senior member) takes a crack at me because I'm young I took offence and pointed out the prejudice in that comment. Then another senior member defends that senor member my taking a shot at me by saying the skills I practice are just a game. That would be like saying the skills you practice are just a game. The last statement was more or less a pre meditated defense so if more senior members take shots at me for not approving the skills I practice people can see I wasn't wrong. Just the comment from low key alone "Despite the name on the forum, most of the folks here mostly prepare for the unexpected, local disasters, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods.... Not so much running out to the woods to "survive." Makes it seem like if you not on the same page you don't belong here, I understand most of you do but that's just it "most" not all, I guess I'm not here for most of you and if that's the case I'll just stick to the primitive survival section.
crashdive123
03-23-2019, 08:40 PM
I have to disagree with you a bit. Whether a post is made by a senior member, an junior member, a new member or a drive by post from somebody that doesn't intend to interact with others matters not. Posts are judged/evaluated/responded to on the merits of the post.
Prepping for a natural disaster is waiting for a warning and stocking up on 2 weeks supply (at most) and riding it out.
While I'm sure that may be true for some, I and many others here have a year or more of food put up.
The fact that someone owns an entire homestead during a really bad natural disaster means they have more assets to lose.
While that possibility exists, proper preparation can mitigate much of that. Anything outside of that - that is what insurance is for. Yes, insurance is part of my preps.
Everybody came here for their own reasons. My initial reason for joining this forum was following a natural disaster in my area where I refused to become a victim. My reasons have grown over the years because I was able to keep an open mind. While I do not agree with everything here, I do not discount the opinions of others. They may be looking at things differently than I do and it is up to me (not them) to identify those differences.
Like any learning - take what you need, leave behind what you do not. What works for you may not work for me and visa versa.
I apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. I'm not here to cause trouble. Just here to find people with similar interests, not to draw out those who don't. If you don't like what someone is doing simply ignore instead of taking valuable time to belittle. Thou shall not judge thy neighbor until the beam of thy own eyes have been cleansed. Unless of course I ask you to judge me. Then fire away.
I totally get the insurance thing , but if you ever had to use it you will likely get the run around and your insurance company will try to avoid giving you as much as they can via loopholes and such. Sad but true and if it's any different for you send me some digits for that insurance company. I came for my own reasons as well and intend to stay for them. Anyway lets get on with those challenges, I got one you might like, primitive forge. I can find bits of iron and try to forge even just an arrow head, any input?
madmax
03-24-2019, 01:32 PM
Here ya go Chi. Making a quicky bow for fishing and and a green bamboo container for boiling water on a Pot and Machete without the pot. I made a mistake in this backyard grub eating venture. It's desirable to bite the head off before eating or they bite back going down. lol.
http://i.imgur.com/7uNWCCB.jpg (https://imgur.com/7uNWCCB)
https://i.imgur.com/9lYOyLU.jpg
Wild orange found on a P&M on a river trip. Sour but great for making boiled river water palatable.
https://i.imgur.com/oaHSi2u.jpg
Torch of fatwood (Lighter).
https://i.imgur.com/YUgfYoV.jpg
Almost done shelter with bamboo heat reflector.
https://i.imgur.com/y7F76n3.jpg
Pics and vids are good.
Man....man....Hold on....http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11896&stc=1
(http://www.abcarcade.com/picfiles/toiletboy52.jpg)
madmax
03-25-2019, 05:55 AM
See Chi? I'm not young or new and they still pick on me. LOL.
Nice pics, the only thing is we don't have the same resources. As much as I would like to find and orange it's just not going to happen, and wow that's a huge grub, I have only found one that size. That's a woods gusher. Unfortunately the only bamboo in PA was ether propagated or spread from propagated plants. Witch is why I will try to find an alternative method not using bamboo. I was thinking a filter but I'm not sure if that would extract potential parasites. I have a great idea for a shelter I'm sure a lot of you would like, a wigwam. I already had one and it was home away from home. At least until a widow maker crushed it like a crunchy taco. I will attempt to do another in another safer spot as long as I can make enough cordage (used paracord for the last one). I was even thinking of attempting to grind/carve a large stone to make container to boil water but that would probably take 3 weeks on its own. Another option is if I tried to find clay along the creek,(witch I have tried and failed miserably) to make pottery. But a new spot might yeld some new resources. I've eaten more grasshoppers than grubs, I know why they are
delicacies in other countries, they are better than one may think. I believe I can find all the basic survival necessities, my main concern is always water purification. I have never had a problem gathering food unless it's winter, then I have access to as much purified water I need and gathering food becomes my main concern.
madmax
03-25-2019, 09:28 AM
Gravel, sand, and charcoal for a pretty good filter. Still have to have a container. Wish I had a pic of one homemade filter one of our guys built and brought to a camp. It was great.
A container would be easy to make just not one I can directly boil in. I've never made a filter but understand the concept. Water from natural Springs around here are pretty good and I have drank directly from one before(knowing I can easily get treated if I get sick). but there is still always that chance. If I put it through a filter I would feel better about it.
nell67
03-25-2019, 08:50 PM
I am dependent on the wilderness, not technology or society.
You can quote me on that.
Unfortunately, if the SHTF, you will not be alone in the wilderness, as running off to the wilderness to live like Tarzan is the plan of all the nonplanners that live in the cities ( not calling you one of the non-preppers at all). They beLIEve that the wilderness lifestyle will be easy with no planning or prep, no practical knowledge. they've never seen a real tree except in the city park or one of the mass cut trees at Christmas yet believe they can head for the woodsy hills when everything goes south and be able to know instinctively what is edible or not and how to procure meat and make water safe to drink.
You will not be alone in the wilderness, there is not enough wilderness left to hide or support the masses coming your way. You have a leg up on them as you are here to learn, and we certainly hope that you are practicing what you learn "boots on the ground".
The vast majority who come to the wilderness will not survive for various reasons creating another set of problems for those who do survive, yep, you can scavenge whatever fancy (or not so fancy) gear they brought with them, but the bigger issue is what to do with the remains of those who come, but fail, because I'm sure the smell would be unbearable, but what if they didn't survive from something other than lack of knowledge of what is safe and what is not in the woods, but from disease of some sort, because if they died from a disease it must be something that you don't want leaching into the water table from the decay of a corpse so someone must prevent that by disposing of the corpse accordingly and IMO, burning would be in order to lessen that chance.
I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Disease will get to us all. Eventually the fish antibiotics everyone is stocking up on will probably expire before it can even be used. And when serious SHTF you can't just order more. I've explained why I think living in the wilderness will have better odds. I know I won't be the only one in the wilderness but most will still be in the general population, With most peppers. Prepping is different for everyone, the skills I learned (boots on the ground) was my version of prepping. The 10+ years of experience in the wilderness (not city) I have learned makes me well suited to survive in the wilderness. Again there is logic in saying that someone who stocks up on supplies and sits around on a homestead or farm is a much bigger target than someone not wide out in the open, not to poke holes in people's planing but that's why most have a bug out bags. Odds are they are going to have to use them because the masses will have to cross farms and small towns to get to the wilderness. Again meaning they will be other people's problems before mine. While people are stocking guns I'm stocking knowledge on the land around me. Not to say I don't have a ton of guns lol but you can't rely on that, I stock up on seeds (over 1,000 varieties) vs standard freez dried/canned/mre. I believe a mobile farm is less inconspicuous the a stationary one, the fact that I will propagate food means I won't have to forage all the time. Burning bodies will be something we all will have to do (viking style) but also have to burn feces witch is just as much of a concern for disease as bodies. I have a hell of a stockpile but I can tell you most of it is not food. Humans naturally take the path of least resistance. Meaning masses will head your way first not mine. The fact that more people prepare in the doomsday prepper kind of way vs wilderness way goes to show that most won't go into the wilderness (like I said "most") and not to sound like a geek but when they do I'll be the ewoks and they will be the storm troopers (meaning I have the home field advantage). When people in city's run out of supplies they will head to smaller towns, farms, and homesteads. They will naturally go were they think there are supplies, the last thing on most people's minds will be let's go into the woods were there are minimal supplies. All while some people are practicing to do exactly that. Everyone has reasons for prepping the way they do but all (and I mean ALL) have flaws. The important thing to do is learn to adapt. Another advantage I have is that I was born and lived my whole life in the woodsy hills, it doesn't get much more hilly and woodsy than the appalachain mountains. Most people can't even identify what tree is sitting in their living room during the holidays. What you are saying makes sense if you were talking about someone who (like you said) has never seen a real tree. But that is the equivalent of saying someone wouldn't stand a chance on a homestead because the only farm animal they have ever seen was on tv. Again it depends on who you are referring to. To assume someone is not prepared because they practice how to live in the wilderness instead of stockpiling things they can't replace when they run out is unrealistic. I'll stay on the farm with my family until it's too late but it's likely that will be a few weeks after SHTF. And I'm not wasting ammo or risking my family's life to defend land that everyone will want, they will keep coming back until they have it and then they will deal with the same thing down the line. Meanwhile my retreat into the wilderness keeps my family safer than staying put. I would not lead my family into the wilderness if I wasn't sure we can survive.
May I ask where you will go with your family if and when you need to bug out? And could you survive off the wilderness when you have nothing left but a pack full of gear and your food rations run out? (These questions are for everyone) You know my plans, I would like to know yours with a logical explanation on how you will survive (starvation,disease,other people,ect).
You only need to look at history to understand what the consequences of a true disaster will be. People who knew how to live off the land were down to eating bark off the trees.
http://www.xoxol.org/dem/peasants-in-forests-01.jpg
Here are pictures of people who actually lived off the land.1189811899
The pictures you posted are of European people (at that time most likely farmers, if not from the city) that were probably pushed into the wilderness weather it had been from economic collapse, war or natural disasters. There is a reason people like that end up eating bark (because they didn't know how to survive off the land). Native Americans proved humans can live of the land (not just eating bark) and some people today proved we can live like them. The land you are referring to that they (the people in your photos) lived off of was their farms or comfort a city or town witch judging by the pictures didn't end well. Even when Europeans came here they would have never survived without the help of the natives.
Again
May I ask where you will go with your family if and when you need to bug out? And could you survive off the wilderness when you have nothing left but a pack full of gear and your food rations run out? (These questions are for everyone) You know my plans, I would like to know yours with a logical explanation on how you will survive (starvation,disease,other people,ect). Clearly the people in your photo couldn't.
May I ask for the link to that picture to do research on those people's actual situation. Clearly you are not looking far enough back into history. These seem to be pictures of people that lived in the comfort of a more modern civilization (that has failed them).
nell67
03-26-2019, 09:16 AM
[/QUOTE] May I ask where you will go with your family if and when you need to bug out? And could you survive off the wilderness when you have nothing left but a pack full of gear and your food rations run out? (These questions are for everyone) You know my plans, I would like to know yours with a logical explanation on how you will survive (starvation,disease,other people,ect).[/QUOTE]
Smart "preppers" are not going to tell you what their plans are, where they plan to go or hunker down, what they have stored for foods, weapons, ammo, etc. You are no longer a prepper when you do that, but a target for whoever is trolling these boards. Even before the SHTF, you are a target because those who tell everyone their plans, also tells everyone when they are home or going on vacation or have a dr appointment etc. It doesn't take long for all your material preps to disappear when you are not home ( YOU= everyone who posts what they have and where they live etc. online on open forums)
Be prepared, but keep your preps to yourself and make sure your family also knows not to tell others what you have or what you are doing.
madmax
03-26-2019, 09:40 AM
What Nell67 said. I have several plans depending on the type of SHTF. I'm not going to post them. None are long term nomadic living.
What you are saying makes sense. Except the ( YOU= everyone who posts what they have and where they live etc. online on open forums) thing. Do you know what county in Pennsylvania I'm in let alone the city. I never posted where I would go, If I would stay in pa or what gear I supplies I have (Except seeds). I have different plans as well but I'm talking serious SHTF. Like I said a natural disaster won't cause much chaos in America. Sure places can get destroyed but with the government/society we have in place you are bound to get some type of help. Or you can just go somewhere that is not affected, Good prepping for that would be get the hell out of the places that have that bad of disasters to prevent massive loss. I don't need to know your entire plan just explain why you think staying put is better than keeping on the move. In a major SHTF situation. I don't tell anyone my complete plan and don't even tell my family anything except where to meet if something goes down. All anyone here knows is I'll have a mobile farm in undisclosed locations vs a stationary farm. Like being a needle in a haystack vs being the haystack. And people on this forum know more about my plans than anyone within a over 1,000 mile radius of me, (witch isn't much). No were near enough info for any of you to think it's worth traveling that far to take what I have or compromise my plans.
madmax
03-26-2019, 10:37 AM
If I read you clear you're not just talking SHTF but TEOTWAWKI. Some of us have talked about that over the campfire. The consensus was we'd prefer to be at ground zero if that happened (Ever seen "The Road" ?). Real survival sucks. Hungry, thirsty, cold, sick, etc.
I think I'd be ok with anything less than that for awhile. And as someone pointed out, most on this forum probably tend towards temporary survival. Down here it's hurricanes, tornados, and flooding. Having said that, there was still a tent city of displaced people in Homestead years after hurricane Andrew.
nell67
03-26-2019, 10:38 AM
I grew up working a two-acre garden from 6 years on, hoeing by hand, getting up at 4 in the morning after plants broke the surface of the soil. We raised and butchered our own meat, or hunted and fished. The only time we went into a grocery store was to buy dish soap, sugar flour, and cornmeal. I used to dream about those great big fancy cookies displayed in the bakery department. Rendered our own lard from the hogs we raised, I learned how to make sausage and bacon at a young age as well as cooking for large groups who showed up every day at mealtime. Were we Amish?? Nope, my family are Native American, who lived for a time in the Appalachian mountains, intermarried with the white folk at one point, eventually my grandparents (each half Cherokee) moved to Indiana and raised their family, living very much as they did in the mountains, growing huge gardens, planting fruit trees, raising their own and teaching the next generations how to live as they lived, my grandfather taught me to fish and to hunt ginseng, how to butcher and process our own farm raised cow, hogs, chickens, and rabbits.
They hunted squirrel, but not so much deer as our stores were full from the cows and hogs and other animals we'd processed. I spent the heat of the day in the cooler woods hunting ginseng or among other greens or mushrooms or fishing, we didn't go to the zoo or museums like other families or go on vacations over the summer, there was too much to do at home, traveling anywhere meant attending a funeral for a family member or rarely a good friend who has passed, never went to a drive-in theater until I was a teenager going on date if my father approved, not hanging out at the skating rink with groups of friends, that was not allowed. Your life growing up was like many of our lives and many of us also grew up the "old way".
We know how the Natives lived, we know that the English would not have survived this country had it not been for help from the Natives, you are telling this group NOTHING we haven't known probably since well before you were born. Rick showed you a picture of what can happen in dire situations, war? famine? does it matter what the situation is? they were starving and trying to survive any way they could.
nell67
03-26-2019, 10:44 AM
Rick or Crash could have your location in just a few clicks of a mouse. We've had trolls on here claiming they were living the life in some remote area and telling stories of everything he did the day before or last week, he was really roughing it. Except he was REALLY posting from Chicago maybe?? someplace very far removed from what he was posting. I believe he was living vicariously through a relative of his. you can run but usually, if you are posting online, you can't hide.
nell67
03-26-2019, 10:45 AM
May I ask for the link to that picture to do research on those people's actual situation. Clearly you are not looking far enough back into history. These seem to be pictures of people that lived in the comfort of a more modern civilization (that has failed them).
Right click on the picture and hit "Search Google for Image"
Thank you, I'll have to wait until I get home as I'm using a phone right now. I like that we can debate things here without people getting hostile lol
Native cultures the world over are just about gone because they couldn't survive other cultures taking them over. They were not survivors. That will be true for any time of disaster. Long term survival will be about cooperation and not about going it alone. My plans are to deal with natural disasters since that's the most likely problem any of us will have to face. Those are short term problems, days or weeks, and recoverable. You seem to be concerned about a global issue. If that happens, then all bets are off and your vision of survival is just as made up as the next person's.
A few years ago, during the recession, everyone was talking about how we should all run off to Venezuela. How the U.S. economy was in collapse and Venezuela was an example of how to survive. Not so much today. Their vision didn't pan out so well.
I gave you a real life example because it is more near to us than those native cultures that you offered. We will be more like those Europeans than those native cultures. Look at history and how others have fared in really bad situations and that's how things will pan out for us. That's just how human beings work. We are no different the world over. To think you have something special is to deny the fact that the odds are much more favorable that you will be a victim than a survivor.
There are many factors in that theory, that fact that I would not go completely primitive would help. Imagine that the natives of this land had just as much firepower as the Europeans, there would have been a good chance that they could have pushed the Europeans away. I would not ditch everything and replace guns with bows, rocks and Spears. When all the bullet casings keep expanding so much to the point you can't reload them, that would be a viable option. I wouldn't live exactly like the natives but just enough to survive off the land like they did. With that logic you are making battle primary survival, if I'm running around the woods in a loincloth or not as long as I keep modern firepower I will stand a chance unlike native Americans who got decimated because of lack of firepower. First I'm told I won't survive because I'll be eating bark. Then I explain A. I have knowledge to forage (not just tree bark) and B. I can cultivate food as I have the knowledge and means to do so.
Then I'm told that a population of 300,000 people will be in the wilderness making life hard for me. A. They will likely stay in civilization making life harder for people who stay put. And B. To assume those people will get together to make life easy is not ideal. Again people will be to busy battling each other to think let's go into the forest and f**k with people there.
The native Americans were wiped out with smallpox as well (bio warfare) well two can play that, when people come hostile and get shot in the *** with a .22 that was soaked in a latrine for a while will probably run away limping and surely die of disease weeks later. Yes I suppose I'm talking TEOTWAWKI and not regular SHTF. And yes I understand that most here are prepping for natural disasters (idk how many times I I'll be told that) I'm seriously waiting for someone to tell me I don't belong here. You could always rename the misleading name of the forum to Natural Disaster Preparedness Group. And get rid of the primitive survival section. I did not come here to debate TEOTWAWKI or SHTF with people but to share and learn skills weather they be farming or primitive. In fact those situations are the least of my concerns. I just want to get on with what this thread was intended for. I'll make a separate one for debate. Yes most of you are here for natural disaster preparedness, and I can see why people who aren't on the same page as "most" of you don't stick around as much.
You asked others why here prepare. They are responding to your question. The fact that those who have responded happen to be prepared for natural disasters does not mitigate the fact that we also prepare for wilderness survival. It's not an either or question. No one is telling you not to prepare for whatever you think will happen only that the views you've stated seem to have a bit of tunnel vision. All we've attempted to do is add some "reality" to what you are attempting to prepare for. Accept it or not. That's up to you but please do so in the spirit it is intended. To help, not to debate. We're not telling you that you are wrong. After all, none of us have been through that scenario. Only that our view of that scenario is somewhat different and there might be other things to think about.
crashdive123
03-26-2019, 05:33 PM
Do you know what county in Pennsylvania I'm in let alone the city.
Why yes.....yes I do.
madmax
03-26-2019, 05:41 PM
LMAO. Now you're on the radar.
LowKey
03-26-2019, 09:25 PM
This image you posted:
11900
This is pretty much a "homestead"
Land where a family unit can build a home, grow a garden, fish and defend together.
And even then, they had to move once in a while, either to summer or winter hunting grounds to let the surrounding area recover.
With no population pressure, sure, that can happen.
Without a catastrophic event to wipe out 85% of the population (that you must first survive) there will be too many people to live that kind of life. In a disaster like that, come upon a modern group like the one in your picture as a ROTWwithblackrifle and you will most certainly be shot on sight as a threat.
A good challenge is to start a garden like that one pictured there. See how large a plot you have to make fertile to grow enough sunflowers (or a 3-sisters might be better) not only to supply your family with supplemental food, but also to keep enough seed to grow on again next year. Hint start with old varieties. No F1s or other hybrids. Certainly not those garden-in-a-cans. That is a serious challenge.
The Woods did not completely supply the Native Americans with food. They had seasonal gardens. And today's diseased and dying wilderness areas provide even less. The huge nut-bearing chestnuts are long gone. The oaks and pines are not too far behind now. Beach trees and hardwood nut trees like hickory are becoming too scarce to rely on as a food source. Too many people harvesting them for firewood even today. A hickory can take 30 years to produce good crops, edible-acorn oaks a good 15 to 20 - and you need at least two of them. You aren't going to plant them and wait.
nell67
03-27-2019, 09:24 AM
There are many factors in that theory, that fact that I would not go completely primitive would help. Imagine that the natives of this land had just as much firepower as the Europeans, there would have been a good chance that they could have pushed the Europeans away. I would not ditch everything and replace guns with bows, rocks and Spears. When all the bullet casings keep expanding so much to the point you can't reload them, that would be a viable option. I wouldn't live exactly like the natives but just enough to survive off the land like they did. With that logic you are making battle primary survival, if I'm running around the woods in a loincloth or not as long as I keep modern firepower I will stand a chance unlike native Americans who got decimated because of lack of firepower. First I'm told I won't survive because I'll be eating bark. Then I explain A. I have knowledge to forage (not just tree bark) and B. I can cultivate food as I have the knowledge and means to do so.
Then I'm told that a population of 300,000 people will be in the wilderness making life hard for me. A. They will likely stay in civilization making life harder for people who stay put. And B. To assume those people will get together to make life easy is not ideal. Again people will be to busy battling each other to think let's go into the forest and f**k with people there.
The native Americans were wiped out with smallpox as well (bio warfare) well two can play that, when people come hostile and get shot in the *** with a .22 that was soaked in a latrine for a while will probably run away limping and surely die of disease weeks later. Yes I suppose I'm talking TEOTWAWKI and not regular SHTF. And yes I understand that most here are prepping for natural disasters (idk how many times I I'll be told that) I'm seriously waiting for someone to tell me I don't belong here. You could always rename the misleading name of the forum to Natural Disaster Preparedness Group. And get rid of the primitive survival section. I did not come here to debate TEOTWAWKI or SHTF with people but to share and learn skills weather they be farming or primitive. In fact those situations are the least of my concerns. I just want to get on with what this thread was intended for. I'll make a separate one for debate. Yes most of you are here for natural disaster preparedness, and I can see why people who aren't on the same page as "most" of you don't stick around as much.
Most of us came here to learn about wilderness survival because we spend much time in the woods and learning more about the environment drew us together here on the forum, but we all have other concerns as well because most of us have lived through natural disasters since joining, I myself lived through the March 2nd 2012 tornado that decimated my small town, bugging out at the time of that tornado was not an option for me as I had just had neck surgery so sheltering in place was our only option, but we were well prepared to stay were we were despite no electricity and at the time no generator at the time, we had a wood stove but that also turned into a scenario itself when the pipe through the was behind the stove was damaged by the hail allowed the insulation in the wall to overheat and catch fire.
Yes the forum has evolved over time but it has done so because of the specific needs of the member base, a check of the home page at the many different categories available now came about because one of us along the line has either experienced the situation, or had a question that lead to a discussion and evolved into another category being added.
We all have different reasons for finding the site, and there is nothing misleading about the name as the topic is still discussed, but the conversations here are driven completely by the members (with notable exceptions). I'm sure that you can have a look around at what all has already been discussed at some point in time and find answers to almost , ALMOST any question or concern you have.
I understand. And I will try to make a garden as pictured. Thanks for mentioning that. As soon as the ground gets soft enough I'll get on that. I was thinking of doing my regular garden as well as a more primitive one far from the house. Idk how the primitive one will turn out as the European settlers taught the natives more advanced agricultural skills. Just goes to show sharing skills is a blessing.
Again I apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. Was not my intention to turn this thread into a debate. I'm Sorry
Alan R McDaniel Jr
03-27-2019, 10:08 PM
Saving seed is an art in itself. It has to be gathered at the right time and kept in a cool dry place. We keep ours in the back porch refrigerator.
Alan
Ditto. Mine is stored in the fridge in the garage. Cool and dry. I've had viable seeds for 5+ years using this method.
JohnLeePettimore
03-28-2019, 08:42 AM
I store mine in zip-locks, inside a jar, in the fridge. Keeps the moisture out, too.
Some seeds require special treatment before storage. Well, tomatoes do anyway. You have to "ferment" them first. https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-save-tomato-seeds-1403292
nell67
03-28-2019, 12:03 PM
I store mine in envelopes inside of baggies in the freezer. We have always done this with no issues of germination.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
03-28-2019, 04:10 PM
Tomato seeds do need the fermentation to increase germination rates but can usually give me more plants than I can put in without it. I usually set the fruits I let ripen for that out in the store house until they basically rot. Then I separate the seeds out and let them dry. We aren't putting in any tomatoes this year. We had fusarium wilt, tobacco mosaic virus AND nematodes last year. We're going to lay off the tomatoes this year to see if that clears them up. Spring and Fall tomato crop last year was dismal. On the other hand we couldn't eat all the bell peppers that came off of 6 plants. Go figure.
We're going to put in a lot of purple hull peas. The carrots, spinach and lettuce are still producing. Turnips are gone though.
Alan
You don't have to go without tomatoes. There are varieties that are resistant to fusarium wilt, TMV and nematodes. Just choose wisely, weedhopper.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
03-28-2019, 11:57 PM
I've got a little patch of yard that has never been used as a garden spot. I'll probably put in four plants or so there, and they will be resistant varieties if I can find sets.
Alan
highlo
04-22-2019, 10:15 PM
sure. Take a 3 extra 10x10 lw tarps and see how much 3" mesh netting you can make out of them in a week, by tearing them into 1/8" (or a little bit wider) strips, twisting the strips in order to make them stronger and then coiling them around a hunk of sapling.. Make a 2-stick netting needle and load the cordage onto the needle from the hunk of wood. For the next week, see how much 1.5" mesh netting you can make by weaving splits of roots, reeds, shoots, and vines into the 3" mesh, tying every other mesh with some monofilament fishline. This second week, every couple of days, put the newly made netting into the water, as a baited net-weir. The third week, see how much fish you catch per day, by the lb, not by the number of fish, with the results of 2 weeks of making netting. Then you'll see what the Alone TV show people should be doing, instead of making "winter" shelters that they will starve out before needing.
highlo
04-22-2019, 10:17 PM
You can use the 12x12 tarp, half of the 20x20 tarp and the 2 person hammock to make netting. It's going to add up to well over 2000 sq ft of 1.5" mesh netting, altho the seine can't use the vegetative matter. it's too heavy, bulky and fragile for creating anything but the weir-net.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
04-22-2019, 11:07 PM
Sounds like a good way to catch a game warden around here.
Alan
highlo
04-23-2019, 09:22 AM
so just get a subsistence permit first, like the Innuit get.
davidgoldberg
05-13-2019, 05:45 PM
If you need the REAL challenge, try to recreate the Dyatlov Pass in the northern Ural mountains:)
DogMan635
05-22-2019, 09:50 PM
Well if you want a real challenge to give some thought to this one. Now I'm not the expert in all tribal traditions. Not sure the age of a young Indian brave when becoming a man. Maybe 12-years old or older. The young Brave would go out into the wild for three days or more until the task was completed with nothing more than his bow, knife, some rocks to make a fire and live off the land and return with the tail feather of an Eagle. But I'm thinking that part may be illegal today, and we want this to be fair and above board. So what would replace an Eagles tail feather? Okay, have an idea, catch a male Bird and only take a photo of it inside the trap and let it return to its habitat after the photo has been taken. You may have to study up on the tribes in your area and find out what they did. But as this is my suggestion please keep it all legal and yourself out of trouble.
when I was a Boy Scout some would join the order of the Arrow, which meant you could not talk for 24-hours and three matches to start one fire and empty and clean up all trash cans in the park. There was more but that was so long ago.
mopa9000
05-28-2019, 06:21 PM
Well if you want a real challenge to give some thought to this one. Now I'm not the expert in all tribal traditions. Not sure the age of a young Indian brave when becoming a man. Maybe 12-years old or older. The young Brave would go out into the wild for three days or more until the task was completed with nothing more than his bow, knife, some rocks to make a fire and live off the land and return with the tail feather of an Eagle. But I'm thinking that part may be illegal today, and we want this to be fair and above board. So what would replace an Eagles tail feather? Okay, have an idea, catch a male Bird and only take a photo of it inside the trap and let it return to its habitat after the photo has been taken. You may have to study up on the tribes in your area and find out what they did. But as this is my suggestion please keep it all legal and yourself out of trouble.
when I was a Boy Scout some would join the order of the Arrow, which meant you could not talk for 24-hours and three matches to start one fire and empty and clean up all trash cans in the park. There was more but that was so long ago.
Pot and machete sounds good. I'll put into consideration. I have done 2 days with just and pot and knife no problem. I already planed on a fresh area as not to already have a shelter built. Even if I didn't have a blade meat is always an option weather it be fish, crayfish, fresh water snails or mammals. There are plenty of edible plants in the northeast to make salads. I'm so glad you said a pot. Water is always my main concern, without a container to boil water I'd be sucking on moss for two to three weeks lol. I have drank directly from a spring before, but will not be in that area and even then water source can become contaminated pretty easy by wildlife.
FYI old solder I am doing this for educational purposes not for ego, I could care less about subscriptions, just want to share skills and knowledge, not to many people have videos on survival that last more than 48 hours, even primitive technology is filmed in the guys back yard lol. Witch reminds me if anyone has any methods or skills that I don't already know to put to the test I will do research and give them a try. But keep in mind I have laws I must follow when hunting, trapping and fishing. Sadly dead falls are out of the question.
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