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jayd
08-04-2017, 01:15 AM
if you have a saw and one of Cold Steel's shovels. Axes have sent 2 people (out of 44 so far) home with injuries. What works ok in nice weather, when you're well rested, well fed, well-hydrated and healthy is not the same when those conditions are far from your reality. Trying not to screw-up (at least to not do so big time) on international TV is a pretty heavy stress to have on yourself, too. Me, I'll use my body weight to break off dead wood, or a big club, so that chances of serious injury are greatly reduced. If I can't break it, then I'll use the saw. I would NOT take a big 2- handed saw, tho. I'd take a Silky and not the folder, either. When you know to use a combo of hot rocks, the Dakota Fire pit, and the Siberian fire lay, you dont need to do much bucking and almost no splitting of wood.
Antonyraison
08-04-2017, 02:46 AM
I agree. I do not use Axes at all.
I find a saw way more useful, its easier for cutting wood and faster... and more compact.
Phaedrus
08-04-2017, 03:07 AM
An axe in the hands of someone well versed in its use can be impressive, but I agree- for my uses a saw is much better. I can certainly process more wood with my Silky Katanaboy than I can with an axe.
jayd
08-04-2017, 03:50 AM
with dry wood, in nice conditions, an axe can do wonders, but one slip with it can mean complete disaster, and in bad conditions, that slip is all to likely to occur.
Antonyraison
08-04-2017, 08:07 AM
with dry wood, in nice conditions, an axe can do wonders, but one slip with it can mean complete disaster, and in bad conditions, that slip is all to likely to occur.

The only place I can see a use for an axe to me is a smaller one for bushcrafting.
Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-04-2017, 08:22 AM
An axe is like any other tool. It has some uses. When it is used for anything other than those uses there is a possibility of things going wrong. Personally, I prefer to use a machete for most of the cutting around a prospective campsite. I use the axe to break up larger sections of dead fall for campfire use. You won't find me chopping on a log. With a machete I can get small shrubs and such cut off flush with or below ground level to save tent floors and more importantly air mattress bottoms. I do use a heavy canvas tarp for a ground cover under my tent. Since I rarely (never) camp more than 10 yards from my truck carrying extra tools is not an issue. Actually, most often clearing an area is a matter of hooking up the dc/ac inverter or generator and firing up the little $40 Harbor Freight electric chainsaw.

Alan
Antonyraison
08-04-2017, 09:30 AM
An axe is like any other tool. It has some uses. When it is used for anything other than those uses there is a possibility of things going wrong. Personally, I prefer to use a machete for most of the cutting around a prospective campsite. I use the axe to break up larger sections of dead fall for campfire use. You won't find me chopping on a log. With a machete I can get small shrubs and such cut off flush with or below ground level to save tent floors and more importantly air mattress bottoms. I do use a heavy canvas tarp for a ground cover under my tent. Since I rarely (never) camp more than 10 yards from my truck carrying extra tools is not an issue. Actually, most often clearing an area is a matter of hooking up the dc/ac inverter or generator and firing up the little $40 Harbor Freight electric chainsaw.

Alan

Machetes work well. I really enjoyed the use of my kukri in the bush for 7 days... That worked really well for batoning wood if I did need to split larger logs
Alan R McDaniel Jr
08-04-2017, 12:14 PM
I found a "super machete" at a garage sale once. It is over all 32" long and is double sided for the front half of the blade. It is rounded on the point and I think it was actually made for and used to harvest bananas. They hold onto the bunch and stab the stem with the rounded (sharp) point and the bunch comes loose.

But, as there are precious few banana plantations in South Texas, I use it for general chopping of brush. With the long blade I can get some real speed at the tip and take finger sized limbs and brush off clean without leaving a snag or a sharp stumplet.

Alan
rebel
08-04-2017, 03:10 PM
I dunno. A few weeks ago I had to take out a green tree. The saw would bind. No problem for the axe.
kyratshooter
08-04-2017, 07:54 PM
Right tool for the job. If it is an ax then use an ax.

If you have not been properly trained to use and ax, or if you are scared of one then take a beaver on a leash and let it chew through the wood.
randyt
08-04-2017, 08:03 PM
on another note my NA friend makes crooked knives from beaver teeth.They work well on the spruce and cedar from the region they were developed.
LowKey
08-04-2017, 08:31 PM
What KYrat said.
Axes are like guns. You learn not to point them at things you don't want cut off.
crashdive123
08-04-2017, 08:38 PM
For those that believe that an ax is not as useful as other tools I would suggest that the limitations may come from the abilities of the individual declaring that those limitations exist. Obviously they have never come across anybody as skilled as Angus Baptiste.

This is a 30 minute video, and well worth watching.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHO8mJwOD1M
randyt
08-04-2017, 08:43 PM
I thought of Angus when I first read this thread title.
kyratshooter
08-04-2017, 09:33 PM
Yep, case of ability.

About 2 million years ago the ax was the first universal stone tool Homo Erectus carried into the wilderness of every part of Africa, Europe and Asia as a general purpose tool.

Otsi the iceman was not found dead in the Alps with a bow saw by his side. The ax was the first tool made from smelted metals when that technology was discovered.

The French did not consider the machete their primary tool. That place was held by the Francesca, the ax from which the nation took its name.

Then folks came to American and the wilderness here forced the first transformation in ax technology in 5,000 years when the flat poll and oval eye was added to aid in control and cutting power.

Now someone decides an ax is too dangerous for me to have in the woods, and I don't need one???

I do not care how much of an expert you think you are, that ain't going to happen.

Next thing you know someone will be telling me I do not need a semi-auto rifle, or one with a pistol grip and more than 10 rounds in the magazine.
hunter63
08-04-2017, 09:37 PM
I did as well......Oldies but goodie.

I'm an axe guy...
One of the guy was complaining that his hand was all bruised and hurting him, from batoning a lot of wood with his knife for his fire.... last nite on Alone...
I was just wondering why he was making so much kindling unless the wood was wet ir green?
Phaedrus
08-05-2017, 12:38 AM
For those that believe that an ax is not as useful as other tools I would suggest that the limitations may come from the abilities of the individual declaring that those limitations exist. Obviously they have never come across anybody as skilled as Angus Baptiste.

This is a 30 minute video, and well worth watching.

I agree. If this comment was aimed at me then I will clarify that I meant "for me" a saw was better. It depends too on what you want to do in the woods. If I'm vehicle camping and plan to be processing a lot of wood you'll never get me to go without my Fiskar's splitting ax! But if I could only have one or the other- just a saw or just an ax- I'll generally take the saw. It does a lot more work for the calories expended. But if I was as good with an ax as Baptiste then I might take the ax!
crashdive123
08-05-2017, 06:15 AM
My comment was not aimed at you.
jayd
08-05-2017, 10:39 AM
the point is, on the Alone show, taking an axe means that there's a more useful item that you can't take. Like I said, you aint going out there to homestead. You're just going to hang out for 2 months, win a clear 1/4 million $, and go home. The axe is not needed and it's also a severe, unnecessary risk. So it's a silly choice. You aint allowed to cut living trees on Vancouver, so what you'll be doing is picking up downed wood and drying it on a rack, and breaking/off-sawing dead lower branches. After boiling off the seawater to get salt, the fire is needed only for drying meat and fish. When you've got a big "haul" of fish or bear meat, you build enough smoky fires and enough drying racks, to get the job done swiftly. Other than that, you dont want to bother with much (if any) fire. Gathering/hauling firewood sucks, especially if you have to do it in the rain, snow, slippery conditions, and you aint gonna HAVE any huge shed in which to store/dry such wood. If you're just laying around the shelter, cause it's raining, etc, you should be in your sleeping bag, and thus, not need a fire.
kyratshooter
08-05-2017, 03:27 PM
Your obsession with this TV show is really over the top.

So is the obsession to tell us how it has to be done, with no other opinions accepted.

None of this, and none of these opinions matter.

It's a game.

It's TV.

It's not real.

It has ho connection to the real world or real survival.

It is just another reality TV show, except in the woods, without food.
Rick
08-05-2017, 03:47 PM
You've also made the comment three or four times "a clear 1/4 million $". You will pay taxes on that at the rate of 33%, that's Canadian, which happens to be the same as America for that particular amount. That means you will only have 167,500 to mull over. Then there are provential taxes to consider. If you happen to be a US resident then you, will of course get to claim a cool $250,00 out of country income for both state and federal. The 33% will be taken up front. You won't have the opportunity to screw the government over. The rest of it you probably won't pay since, based on your other posts, I doubt you pay taxes.
CFH2558
08-09-2017, 05:34 PM
Slightly off topic, but uh...

Anybody know where you can watch Alone without a cable subscription? I already watched the first few free episodes from season one but can't watch the others.
crashdive123
08-09-2017, 05:51 PM
Jayd has it playing 24/7 in his Mom's basement. You want his address? :whistling:
kyratshooter
08-09-2017, 06:41 PM
Hard to watch it without a subscription or 3rd party host. Sometimes you can catch an episode on You-tube before they black it out for copyright.

Lots of sub services are available real cheap for viewing right off the computer with most services being available for $20-$30 monthly.

I use Sling with a "jumper cable" from the computer to the tv and watch almost everything the cable company wants to charge me $150 a month to see.

There are other services available for around the same price. I chose Sling because it requires no extra equipment, it was cheap, and was activated immediately. There was a NASCAR race running in 2 hours and I needed FS1 access fast!
rebel
08-09-2017, 08:50 PM
We get four channels while living in the camper. All are pbs. Two cartoon channels, one cooking show and the other is music. Except for the morning news, I don't really miss all the channels.

As for me and to take an axe or not. If I could only take one item it would probably be an axe. Even over a knife. I carry a leatherman. It's not big enough to do much. The pliers and screw driver get used because I get too lazy to walk over and get the right tool. I use the knife to cut twine or open a box.
SMSB
08-10-2017, 05:21 AM
I think it comes down to the individual and to some extent the environment. If you look at our society, neither tool has managed to replace the other one, because neither tool is really "better." Axes can cause injuries, but so can other tools, and the chance of injury will decrease if you know what you are doing. Given the massive history of people using axes successfully, I don't think a couple of people getting injured is enough evidence to conclude that an axe is a poor choice. That's my opinion on this anyway.
Antonyraison
08-10-2017, 05:47 AM
My point of view comes from The time I spend in South African bush, for periods for 2 days through to 7 days.. from Various seasons, winter,summer,autumn, spring.
Various Biomes, from Forrest woodland/jungle (Magoebaskloof/Tzneen), ocean Jungle Mntuntzini (Natal), mountainous regions (From MagailesBurg through To Rhodes), The highveld area (magaliesburg, Bronkhorst Spruit, cullinun) etc.. I have survived Pretty much everywhere in southern Africa, in every season, in every weather condition one can imagine.
I have never gone longer than 7 Days "Surviving"
I have used Axes, yes.. BUT I have not "survived" for long periods of time, well not longer than 7 Days.
I find For myself a saw is easier, it cuts wood Precisely how I want it cut.
For Fires, I find mostly deadfall and twigs and branches. For tinder, usually Elephant Grass.. (its everywhere here)
Our climate is generally quite arrid, and in more Humid and wet areas, it is still easy to find Something dry.
I very very very rarely have to batton any wood for fire making, I only have to baton things if I want to make something, like say for instance a Hearth Board for a bow drill.
It's Just what works for me in my region.
In other regions where there is high rain fall, and everything is generally wet, then Sure yes an Axe maybe better as you have to split a lot of wood to get dry sections of it.
I am just advocating, Your OWN style, what works for you, This is what works For me, and its taken me about 3 years of expeditions to Hone my kit to serve My style and skill.
Antonyraison
08-10-2017, 06:06 AM
That all been said, I am not an alone constant. Only one guy I know on this forum actually was. We don't have limitations of 10 kit items! You get to pack your own survival kits and crash into the woodlands and make it happen however you see it fit. I like a small compact kit and keeping it as light as I can. You can do differently you can take both! Why not?
kyratshooter
08-10-2017, 08:53 AM
If we are to limit our activities based on how many people injure themselves on Alone then we need to mandate that no one walk around in the outdoors. More contestants have injured themselves while walking around than any other activity.

We should also abandon all relationships since about 50% of the contestants go home due to being homesick for spouse or children.

Being in an outdoor environment while using edged tools is inherently dangerous. It is one of the reasons the Boy Scouts used to have a chip system, where a kid earned their knife chip or ax chip by passing the safety and proper use tests. Those items were invented by the first cave man and handed to the next one with the advice "don't cut yourself that stone ax is sharp!"

There are common sense rules for their use, just like there are common sense rules for firearms handling and common sense rules for driving a 3000 pound missile down the highway. If you violate those rules due to ignorance or exhaustion you are going to get hurt.

It is also amazing to me that each and every knife and ax injury has been captured on film. The simple distraction of talking to the camera seems enough to cause injury in the same way that talking on a cell phone can cause a walking or driving accident. It they tried to turn on the camera, chew bubble gun, talk and chop wood at the same time someone would surly die!
Antonyraison
08-10-2017, 09:05 AM
Axe. with AN "E" hahah my ocd Is flaring. I blame Britain For colonizing South Africa for so long.

I dont see the argument about injuring yourself.. I am With Kyratshooter on the injury Point.
My Point of Saw vs Axe use is based on my own preference and experience, and what works better for myself.
hunter63
08-10-2017, 11:07 AM
Tools...any kind can and will hurt you if used wrong or not paying attention.
That is ALL and ANY tools.

Even a smart phone.....can get you in all sorts of trouble in you don't "like" the wrong person.

Called "survivin'"
Wildthang
08-10-2017, 12:33 PM
I'll take a Hatchet any day, it serves as a hammer, it cuts wood, it cuts meat! It just feels right having it out in the field! If I was in then jungle I would take a machete! You can re sharpen an axe, but not a saw!
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