Personality types

[DOGMAN]

There are lots of different personality types. Is there an ideal personality type for Surviving a group crisis situation?

[klkak]

Is homicidal a personality type?

hehehe, Kill everyone in the group and use their stuff. hehehe

"stop it...stop touching me"

[DOGMAN]

We call that the "Stony" personality type

[klkak]

Is homicidal a personality type?

hehehe, Kill everyone in the group and use their stuff. hehehe

"stop it...stop touching me"

Sorry, I had a momentary laps in sanity.

[AKS]

Sorry, I had a momentary laps in sanity.

:confused:Momentary?:D:D:D

[Ken]

Think so.

First, you need to watch how everyone's reacting. Most people will look to others for leadership.

Second, you need to stay calm no matter what.

Third, if you quickly and calmly present a solid plan to deal with the crisis, most people will follow your lead.

Fourth, if the group decides to follow the lead of an ignorant loud-mouth, bug-out alone, if you can, and deal with things yourself. No reason to have anyone lead you off a cliff. Of course, this won't work if, say, you're on a lifeboat, but you get my "drift".

[Alpine_Sapper]

Think so.

First, you need to watch how everyone's reacting. Most people will look to others for leadership.

Second, you need to stay calm no matter what.

Third, if you quickly and calmly present a solid plan to deal with the crisis, most people will follow your lead.

Fourth, if the group decides to follow the lead of an ignorant loud-mouth, bug-out alone, if you can, and deal with things yourself. No reason to have anyone lead you off a cliff. Of course, this won't work if, say, your on a lifeboat, but you get my "drift".

Or, you could always just shoot them, take their stuff, and assume leadership yourself. Might be a bad precedent to set though, in case someone disagrees with one of your leadership decisions down the road.

[Ken]

Won't shoot 'em until they try to take my stuff or hurt my family or friends.

[AKS]

Or, you could always just shoot them, take their stuff, and assume leadership yourself. Might be a bad precedent to set though, in case someone disagrees with one of your leadership decisions down the road.

Right, but that is why you must watch how everyone is reacting...Shoot the ones who might disagree with you and have the ones that are left carry all the extra stuff.:rolleyes:

[klkak]

I'm beginning to like my idea better. Just kill everyone and then you have everybody's stuff. Unless there is a useful woman in the group. Better to have her around then a volley ball named Wilson.

[AKS]

I'm beginning to like my idea better. Just kill everyone and then you have everybody's stuff. Unless there is a useful woman in the group. Better to have her around then a volley ball named Wilson.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think it would depend on how many people there were and if you were wanting to stay mobile. Just how much stuff would you really want to carry? I do agree about the woman though, cause volley balls just can't cook.:rolleyes:

[klkak]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think it would depend on how many people there were and if you were wanting to stay mobile. Just how much stuff would you really want to carry? I do agree about the woman though, cause volley balls just can't cook.:rolleyes:

Maybe I should have said "Then you have the pick of their stuff"

[Sam Reeves]

I think me and mine would stray from the group as soon as possible. I hate to sound selfish but in most cases I, like most folks here, would probably end up having to take up the others slack if I didn't leave the pack as soon as it was practical.

[Rick]

Montana, that's an excellent question. For those of you that have lived in the corporate world, you've probably gone through personality testing so you know what personality type you are and which type of personalities you get along with. Also what you need to do to get along with other personality types. It's an important topic for team building. Survival is at the extreme end of team building but will have the same interactions (look at Alaskan Survival).

Jung - Myers-Briggs is one test typology that can place you and your personality into 16 different possible categories. There are, of course, other testing methodologies but Jung-Myers-Briggs (I've seen it listed as Myers-Briggs as well) is probably one of the most famous. Here is a link if you are interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator

[crashdive123]

As was joked around about (you were joking right?) group dynamics will play an important part in the survival of that group. In a group, leaders, workers, providers, comforters, disrupters can all emerge. The trick is knowing everybody's strengths and weaknesses, and learning to work together as a group. When that happens, the entire group will survive. That's why, as Rick posted, many businesses want to find out the personality types of potential employees.

[Rick]

As a manager, it was helpful to me to be able to spot the personality types of my employees. By looking for their tells I knew which ones I would be able to get along with and which ones would be a problem for my personality type. I could then make accommodations for those individuals that would by in conflict with my personality type. It's not the be all, end all, of course but it is helpful to understand why two people can instantly be in conflict with one another over nothing.

In a survival situation, it could be life saving to have that information. Team dynamics works with you or against you and you had better figure out which it is very quickly if it's survival time.

You folks that were in small fire teams in the military probably have a very clear understanding of this. I'm sure you worked on just team building a lot even if you used different names for it.

[Buddha443556]

INTp - I'd be the first to disappear from any group I'm not leading.

[MonsterMash]

Thats why you pick your group before the crisis, not be stuck with one after. And all joking aside. The lone wolf route will get you killed. One person cannot make it for long, alone IMO.

[wareagle69]

if you want to see how it plays out we should find the thread from last aug or sept we ran thru and experiment with the group it turned to hell quickly as most of us are leaders in our own right, sarge started the thread makes for an interseting read.
myself i like being alone i have found that having too many freinds pulls you in many directions and people get jealous when you don't spend time with them, i have my wife who is most like me and my animals and i am comfortable with that, some may say that i am too selfish but life is short and i do what makes me happy with my free time if it is selfish i can live with that..

[Sam]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think it would depend on how many people there were and if you were wanting to stay mobile. Just how much stuff would you really want to carry? I do agree about the woman though, cause volley balls just can't cook.:rolleyes:

Sounds like the old joke about the difference between sheep and women.
Sheep can not cook. lol

[Ridge Wolf]

ISTJ by Briggs Meyers

http://www.typelogic.com/istj.html

[Sam]

if you want to see how it plays out we should find the thread from last aug or sept we ran thru and experiment with the group it turned to hell quickly as most of us are leaders in our own right, sarge started the thread makes for an interseting read.
myself i like being alone i have found that having too many freinds pulls you in many directions and people get jealous when you don't spend time with them, i have my wife who is most like me and my animals and i am comfortable with that, some may say that i am too selfish but life is short and i do what makes me happy with my free time if it is selfish i can live with that..

That is not selfish, it is what you need for you and yours. I have friends that whine if you don't see them every week. I like them and all but sometimes I feel like they are six years old about it. Every one should have a life of their own by the time you leave the house. Just my .02 on this.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Thats why you pick your group before the crisis, not be stuck with one after. And all joking aside. The lone wolf route will get you killed. One person cannot make it for long, alone IMO.

You rarely have the luxery of picking the people you're going to be in a survival situation with.

[klkak]

My earlier comments were in jest. I am the type that would take charge if need be. But if someone else was a better leader I would help them. As an NCO in the military that is your job. Support those placed in leadership over you and take charge in their absents.

[MonsterMash]

You rarely have the luxery of picking the people you're going to be in a survival situation with.

Depends on the situation I guess. I've already got a small group together, and unless something goes horribly wrong, we'll bug out together.

[prizm63]

iam a preparer and a watchmen on the wall, i encourage others to prepare for themselves. iam both one who holds tools to build and a good knive to defend.

to prepare a little each day, try out a new skill, copy canning to increase your
pantry slowly. build up you personal medications needed for life.

review your community and see each person as a blessing.
buy assessing each area stregths and weakness you become the solution not the
problem when emergency arise.
you will also be ready to act because you allready had prepared yourself.

[Aurelius95]

Getting back to the personality types, remember that your "natural" personality can change, sometimes drasitcally, under stress. And I think a survival situation would cause serious stress. Teams that work together often (military being one kind of team), they learn each others strengths and weaknesses, and how they will tend to react under stress. Imagine a survival situation at 14000 feet? Altitude may affect your decision making and even alter your personality.

[Rick]

I agree, Aurelius, and with time and difficulty. The longer the duration of stress or prolonged the difficulty the more people may shift their personality. When individuals begin to lose hope they either give up or tend to become "me" oriented. Good thought!

[AKS]

iam a preparer and a watchmen on the wall, i encourage others to prepare for themselves. iam both one who holds tools to build and a good knive to defend.

to prepare a little each day, try out a new skill, copy canning to increase your
pantry slowly. build up you personal medications needed for life.

review your community and see each person as a blessing.
buy assessing each area stregths and weakness you become the solution not the
problem when emergency arise.
you will also be ready to act because you allready had prepared yourself.

I like the balanced view here. The willingness to help and the understanding that not everyone can be helped. Encouragement for the ones that are willing to except it and forceful rejection for those who arrive to do harm. All joking aside for just a moment...I have a similar belief system. Be prepared, be vigilant, if I am able...help those who need and will accept it, protect those in my charge to the utmost of my ability. I guess the biggest difference here besides gender is the weapon of choice. I prefer a firearm to a knife. Although she could have been speaking figuratively instead of literally? I always have been to literal. Guess I just don't want to end up being the one who brings a knife to the gunfight.:D Just cause Rambo can do it doesn't mean I can!:rolleyes:

[Alpine_Sapper]

I like the balanced view here. The willingness to help and the understanding that not everyone can be helped. Encouragement for the ones that are willing to except it and forceful rejection for those who arrive to do harm. All joking aside for just a moment...I have a similar belief system. Be prepared, be vigilant, if I am able...help those who need and will accept it, protect those in my charge to the utmost of my ability. I guess the biggest difference here besides gender is the weapon of choice. I prefer a firearm to a knife. Although she could have been speaking figuratively instead of literally? I always have been to literal. Guess I just don't want to end up being the one who brings a knife to the gunfight.:D Just cause Rambo can do it doesn't mean I can!:rolleyes:

Hey, be fair now...Rambo didn't just use a knife. The M60 and the compound bow with explosive tipped arrows helped to even the odds in his favor. I'm just surprised they never had him hip firing a mah deuce.

[AKS]

Hey, be fair now...Rambo didn't just use a knife. The M60 and the compound bow with explosive tipped arrows helped to even the odds in his favor. I'm just surprised they never had him hip firing a mah deuce.

You're right, it is much better to have a bow and some arrows in a gun fight than just a knife. I'm surprised they didn't have him firing his bow from the hip. Was that the only weapon he actually aimed with in the movie? Can't remember cause I haven't seen it in a while.:p

[Alpine_Sapper]

You're right, it is much better to have a bow and some arrows in a gun fight than just a knife. I'm surprised they didn't have him firing his bow from the hip. Was that the only weapon he actually aimed with in the movie? Can't remember cause I haven't seen it in a while.:p

Well, you know, a broadhead that is shot into a barrel of petrol based chemical in a munitions dump can apparently level like 3 sq. klicks, so it doesn't matter how many guns they have. And, ya know, every army but ours is dumb enough to store the fuel point right next to the ammo dump.

Then you can simply cover yourself in mud and no one can see you till you open your eyes.

As for aiming, I think he kinda vaguely pointed a claymore in the general direction of some guys at some point.

[AKS]

See, I knew he had to be a good role model. He can improvise and be creative (mud and mysteriously exploding barrels) while still being able to follow directions.....(claymore: "This side towards enemy")

[hoosierarcher]

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I think it would depend on how many people there were and if you were wanting to stay mobile. Just how much stuff would you really want to carry? I do agree about the woman though, cause volley balls just can't cook.:rolleyes:

COOK? I can cook, women have better uses. Like bear bait.:D

[Rick]

Making fun of women? You guys are either fearless or clueless. I'm not sure which.:o

[Alpine_Sapper]

COOK? I can cook, women have better uses. Like bear bait.:D

Soooo...if you're using the woman for bear bait, what are you using the bear for? Little S/M fun? :D

[klkak]

COOK? I can cook, women have better uses. Like bear bait.:D

I'm a bit of a misogynist. But even I believe women are more important then just cooks or bear bait. I feel that those comment are somewhat derogatory.

[Ken]

COOK? I can cook, women have better uses. Like bear bait.:D

Taught my girlfriend how to shoot last year. She's pretty darn good. She, and a number of her friends, also gun owners, asked if you would tell them where you live.:eek:

[nell67]

Ken,where can I meet up with your girl friend and her friends,hoosierarcher needs to be taught some manners.......?Actually send them my way,he isn't too far away from me if I remember right.

[Rick]

(theme from Jaws starts and Nell looks over map of Indiana)

[crashdive123]

Yep......saw that coming.:D:eek::eek::D

[Rick]

Blind men everywhere are nodding in agreement and smiling, Crash.

[crashdive123]

Sorry Hoosierarcher, but it's kind of like living out in the country where there's a BIG curve in the road. In the winter it ices up a bit. All of the locals know about it and are very cautious when getting to the curve. The city folk that don't get out there too often always skid and slide when they get to the curve while the locals look on in amazement.

[Rick]

That's a good post, Remy. We often think about our reactions to crisis while in the comfort of our home. We don't think about the physiological changes that will take place within us under stress. I think it is one of the reasons we need to practice our Bug In and Bug Out plans, why we need to ensure we have current First Aid Training and why we need to have a thorough understanding of our equipment. The more automatic we can make our response the less likely it will be that stress will alter our response whether we are alone or with others.

One of the reasons I was so impressed with Cody Lundin's 98.6 book was that he discussed the very points you bring out. The fact that our own physiology changes as does the stress we face (extreme cold weather for example). Something I had failed to include in my own plans.

Thanks!

[bulrush]

One aspect of leadership is, how do you deal with troublemakers?

Do you kick them out of the group the first time they make trouble? Do you shoot them the first time they make trouble? Do you have a stern talk to them and give them a warning the first time?

In a survival situation, I guess it all depends on what they did. Did they steal food, then lie about it? Do they have a generally pervasive bad attitude that they don't have to abide by the rules, or did they just get real frustrated one day and steal a piece of bread? Do they have a can-do attitude? Do they have useful skills for the group?

There's a lot of variables here and I would try to get to know the offender, not in a personal way, but try to decide if they are a plain bad apple with no hope of reforming, or if they are a good person who was having a bad day. Remember, if you are a good person with a consistently bad temper, you are not much use to the group. That's my motto anyway.

You could be the best hunter in the group, but if you have a bad temper, out you go. Because the bad feelings will spread and infect and disrupt the group as a whole, making survival that much more difficult.

[Rick]

I think that's why it's important to have some personality training. Then you have a better chance of identifying the personality type and know how to deal with them. Again, it's not the be all end all but another tool.

[trax]

There are lots of different personality types. Is there an ideal personality type for Surviving a group crisis situation?

What a great question. I know what I can do on my own, but a group situation throws in so many more variables and shifts the dynamics. There have been some good posts here as well, but I wonder how many besides myself challenge themselves with this question. We did the group scenario things a few times and they kind of fell apart, but I know when I'm out in the wild I usually have one person with me only, if that.

[grundle]

I am not sure that your survival behaviour can be trained. I have noticed that in crisis situations people all instinctually react differently. I remember when I worked in a restaurant a woman started choking on her food. I watched everyone around her freeze up and do nothing. I was nowhere near being the closest person to her, but I sprinted over and gave her the Heimlich manoeuvre. Why did her husband sitting next to her do nothing? Why did the waitress a few steps away say "Oh my God?" but do nothing to help?

I don't understand the mechanics, but I believe that the US military realized this trait and it is why their bootcamp is the way it is. Sure it serves to prepare new soldiers for combat, but it also serves to weed out the weak minded people who will be a danger to their brother's in arms during a real life SHTF scenario. Unfortunately even that process still cannot catch all the cowards, and people who cannot deal with stress.

Those of us who have been in stressful situations can at least be confident (hopefully) in how we will react, based on how we dealt with it in the past.

[Rick]

I was just referring to learning/taking the Jung - Myers-Briggs test and understanding what the different personality types are and how they relate to one another. Training was probably a poor choice of words on my part.

[trax]

Remy's postings on these things would be so helpful if I could just remember all that stuff! I hope he never tells me 'this is going to be on the test' cuz I'm skipping that day :)

[Rick]

Hey, I print this stuff out. When TSHTF I don't want to be standing around going, "Let's see now, what was it he said..." I'll just thumb through my printouts and read it while I'm running for my life.

[Rick]

I'm an ENTJ Extroverted 1, Intuitive 50, Thinking 12, Judging 67. This was my write up:

ENTJs have a natural tendency to marshall and direct. This may be expressed with the charm and finesse of a world leader or with the insensitivity of a cult leader. The ENTJ requires little encouragement to make a plan. One ENTJ put it this way... "I make these little plans that really don't have any importance to anyone else, and then feel compelled to carry them out." While "compelled" may not describe ENTJs as a group, nevertheless the bent to plan creatively and to make those plans reality is a common theme for NJ types.

ENTJs are often "larger than life" in describing their projects or proposals. This ability may be expressed as salesmanship, story-telling facility or stand-up comedy. In combination with the natural propensity for filibuster, our hero can make it very difficult for the customer to decline.

TRADEMARK: -- "I'm really sorry you have to die." (I realize this is an overstatement. However, most Fs and other gentle souls usually chuckle knowingly at this description.)

ENTJs are decisive. They see what needs to be done, and frequently assign roles to their fellows. Few other types can equal their ability to remain resolute in conflict, sending the valiant (and often leading the charge) into the mouth of hell. When challenged, the ENTJ may by reflex become argumentative. Alternatively (s)he may unleash an icy gaze that serves notice: the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with.

[Rick]

I can "see" that in your writing even though words are one very narrow side of you.

I think the importance in knowing what I am is that I gain a better understanding of my strengths and weaknesses. The importance of knowing what you are enables me to tread lightly on those things that push your buttons and engage those things that allow us to work together. As I said, it's not the be all end all but just another tool that can be used to your advantage.

For those of you not familiar with the process, there is no "correct" personality type. You are what you are. Some will look at either write up above and say, "exactly" and some will say see, that's what I thought about the SOB. It just depends on how the personality types interact.

[trax]

These the same people that make the small engines for pumps and lawnmowers and that kind of stuff, cuz they're good I'll tell ya. Oh..that's Briggs and Stratton, never mind.

[bulrush]

I don't understand the mechanics, but I believe that the US military realized this trait and it is why their bootcamp is the way it is. Sure it serves to prepare new soldiers for combat, but it also serves to weed out the weak minded people ...

And there is the crux of one of the most important aspects of survival. You must be mentally strong AND flexible to survive the stress of a huge change, i.e. when SHTF. You can teach someone physical survival skills. It is much harder, and it takes much longer, to teach bravery and perseverance. And some people will just not have either no matter how much you teach them.

I think Remy mentioned that cowardice is not a weakness. I disagree. Cowardice means the person was not mentally trained to do what needs to be done under severe stress. I.e. the person is currently mentally weak. The person could receive military training, and get over his cowardice, by strengthening his mind. Just like a physically weak person could lift weights and build up his muscles.

I have my "default" or "natural" personality which is more laid back. But I have also trained myself to do things which are not naturally a part of my "default" personality. I can be upfront and "in your face" if the situation requires it. Or I can let my natural personality take over and let someone else lead. So, if I take a personality test, am I answering the questions based on what my "default" laid-back personality would be, or what my "in your face", leadership personality would show?

As you can guess, I'm kind of in a state of flux in my life right now.

[Ole WV Coot]

Has boot camp changed? I thought it was to break you down, lose your identity, teach you to be a team player(say blanket party), give you a great haircut like everyone else and train you like a dog to obey an order and not think about why. Then hopefully you become somebody that is built back up to be one mean SOB, maybe. I remember Grandpa telling me that nobody said anything to the men that wouldn't fight or carry a rifle, just went thru the quickie training and got on the ship with everyone else. When they landed in France Grandpa said his job was to offer these men a rifle as they were marched off the ship and he laughed when he said nobody refused a rifle then. That was WWI.

[Rick]

I don't know, Bulrush. According to the American Heritage dictionary, cowardice is "Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain." But who defines an act of cowardice? Is my refusal to eat slugs cowardice or my fear of holding a wolverine? KLKAK holds them. How long must I endure incoming artillery?

I think each of us has some point in which we can no longer cope and the stressor may be different for each of us. I may run at the sight of a spider. You may run at the sound of incoming rounds. I don't think I'm worthy to judge and I don't think a person's breaking point is a weakness. It's another means of survival.

Just my opinion!

[Sam]

Hey, be fair now...Rambo didn't just use a knife. The M60 and the compound bow with explosive tipped arrows helped to even the odds in his favor. I'm just surprised they never had him hip firing a mah deuce.

you mean people don't fire the M-2 from the hip? lol

[Sam]

(theme from Jaws starts and Nell looks over map of Indiana)

Rick, grab some plastic sheeting to get behind and I'll get the bacon. This will be to good to miss.

[Sam]

ENFJ

Extroverted 56
Intuitive 38
Feeling 75
Judging 11
I read the thing and I ain't gonna write it all down. I see some of it and some I don't see. Interesting though.

[klkak]

Ok, I took the test..........I'm gonna wait till the weekend after a good nites sleep and take it again.

[Rick]

KLKAK - It is helpful to be sober when you take it so "rest" up.:D

[klkak]

Ha Ha Ha.

I took it again this morning. Here are the results. Now everyone will know.

ISTP

Introverted - 56
Sensing - 62
Thinking - 38
Perceiving - 33

Like their fellow SPs, ISTPs are fundamentally Performers (note the capital 'P' :-)), but as Ts their areas of interest tend to be mechanical rather than artistic like those of ISFPs, and unlike most ESPs they do not present an impression of constant activity. On the contrary, they lie dormant, saving their energy until a project or an adventure worthy of their time comes along--and then they launch themselves at it. The apparently frenzied state that inevitably ensues is actually much more controlled than it appears--ISTPs always seem to know what they're doing when it comes to physical or mechanical obstacles--but the whole chain of events presents a confusing and paradoxical picture to an outsider.

ISTPs are equally difficult to understand in their need for personal space, which in turn has an impact on their relationships with others. They need to be able to "spread out"--both physically and psychologically--which generally implies encroaching to some degree on others, especially if they decide that something of someone else's is going to become their next project. (They are generally quite comfortable, however, with being treated the same way they treat others--at least in this respect.) But because they need such a lot of flexibility to be as spontaneous as they feel they must be, they tend to become as inflexible as the most rigid J when someone seems to be threatening their lifestyle (although they usually respond with a classic SP rage which is yet another vivid contrast to their "dormant," impassive, detached mode). These territorial considerations are usually critical in relationships with ISTPs; communication also tends to be a key issue, since they generally express themselves non-verbally. When they do actually verbalize, ISTPs are masters of the one-liner, often showing flashes of humor in the most tense situations; this can result in their being seen as thick-skinned or tasteless.

Like most SPs, ISTPs may have trouble with rote and abstract classroom learning, which tend not to be good measures of their actual intelligence. They tend, sometimes with good reason, to be highly skeptical of its practical value, and often gravitate towards classes in industrial arts; part-time vocational/ technical programs can be useful to even the college-bound ISTP. In terms of careers, mechanics and any of the skilled trades are traditional choices, and those ISTPs with strong numerical as well mechanical gifts tend to do extremely well in most areas of engineering. Working as paramedics or firefighters can fulfill the ISTP need to live on the edge; they are at their best in a crisis, where their natural disregard for rules and authority structures allows them to focus on and tackle the emergency at hand in the most effective way.

ISTPs with more sedate careers usually take on high-risk avocations like racing, skydiving, and motorcycling. While aware of the dangers involved, they are so in touch with the physical world that they know they can get away with much smaller safety margins than other types.

[Rick]

Uh, do you mind? You're spread out and crowding me a bit!

[klkak]

Uh, do you mind? You're spread out and crowding me a bit!

Ha Ha, You very funny. Very funny Mr. Jones.:D

[marberry]

i want to take the test but as far as i can find they all cost like 40-80$ is there somewhere you can take it free??

[AKS]

I'm an ENTJ Extroverted 1, Intuitive 50, Thinking 12, Judging 67. This was my write up:

ENTJs have a natural tendency to marshall and direct. This may be expressed with the charm and finesse of a world leader or with the insensitivity of a cult leader. The ENTJ requires little encouragement to make a plan. One ENTJ put it this way... "I make these little plans that really don't have any importance to anyone else, and then feel compelled to carry them out." While "compelled" may not describe ENTJs as a group, nevertheless the bent to plan creatively and to make those plans reality is a common theme for NJ types.

ENTJs are often "larger than life" in describing their projects or proposals. This ability may be expressed as salesmanship, story-telling facility or stand-up comedy. In combination with the natural propensity for filibuster, our hero can make it very difficult for the customer to decline.

TRADEMARK: -- "I'm really sorry you have to die." (I realize this is an overstatement. However, most Fs and other gentle souls usually chuckle knowingly at this description.)

ENTJs are decisive. They see what needs to be done, and frequently assign roles to their fellows. Few other types can equal their ability to remain resolute in conflict, sending the valiant (and often leading the charge) into the mouth of hell. When challenged, the ENTJ may by reflex become argumentative. Alternatively (s)he may unleash an icy gaze that serves notice: the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with.

Hmm, how interesting...I never would have placed you as an extrovert:rolleyes: These tests are fun and have their place and can give you a vague idea of how a person might behave but are not even close to being completely accurate or all inclusive. I agree with what a lot of you guys have been saying about how the situation can and will cause a lot of those answers on that little quiz to change. The other thing about the little quiz that I took is that it didn't add up to 100%

My Type is
INTJ
Introverted 11% Intuitive 12% Thinking 12% Judging 1%

Ok that is 36%?

Looks like I lost the other 64% of me. :) Maybe it is stuck in the loop in my head cause I am crazy....Crazy? I was crazy once. They stuck me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. Rats? I hate rats! They make me crazy! Crazy? I was crazy once.......:)

[Aurelius95]

I'm an ENTJ Extroverted 1, Intuitive 50, Thinking 12, Judging 67. This was my write up:

ENTJs have a natural tendency to marshall and direct.

TRADEMARK: -- "I'm really sorry you have to die." (I realize this is an overstatement. However, most Fs and other gentle souls usually chuckle knowingly at this description.)


Rick, I'm the same. I took this test about 6 months ago, and I love the line, "I'm really sorry you have to die." :)

[Rick]

I thought that was a great line, too. Now, if I can just find the right place to use it......:rolleyes:

[Aurelius95]

What's funny is my wife and I are the same type. So, we're still not sure if that is good or bad, but so far, it's been very good!

[Rick]

The other thing about the little quiz that I took is that it didn't add up to 100%

They aren't suppose to. It tells you how far into that category you are. 0 would place you squarely between two categories and 100 would place you fully into a given category.

Let's take Introvert-Extrovert for example. Scoring might be represented by:

100.....Introvert.......1....0....1......Extrovert .......100

In my case, I'm a 1 on the Extrovert scale which really means I'm not a strong extrovert and really a borderline Introvert.

In your case, Your score of 1 in the Judging category means you are very close to being a Perceiving personality.

As for your comments, I don't think anyone disagrees. Believing that Briggs-Myers is all inclusive, to me, is analogous to saying the only way to make fire is with matches.

By the way, I was in a rubber room with rats. Once I figured out the rats were crazy and thought I was a cat I organized them into a rat union and went on strike for better padding in the room. Make lemonade!

[canid]

are we getting into jungian personality scale here?

[Rick]

Just accepting it. Becoming one with Jung.

[AKS]

They aren't suppose to. It tells you how far into that category you are. 0 would place you squarely between two categories and 100 would place you fully into a given category.

Let's take Introvert-Extrovert for example. Scoring might be represented by:

100.....Introvert.......1....0....1......Extrovert .......100

In my case, I'm a 1 on the Extrovert scale which really means I'm not a strong extrovert and really a borderline Introvert.

In your case, Your score of 1 in the Judging category means you are very close to being a Perceiving personality.

As for your comments, I don't think anyone disagrees. Believing that Briggs-Myers is all inclusive, to me, is analogous to saying the only way to make fire is with matches.

By the way, I was in a rubber room with rats. Once I figured out the rats were crazy and thought I was a cat I organized them into a rat union and went on strike for better padding in the room. Make lemonade!

The 100% comment I made was just a week attempt at a joke but thank you for the structured well organized response and explanation of the system. It would have been extremely helpful was I confused about the scoring of my personality.

:D:D:D So, what sort of padding did you get upgraded to? I mean, no one can resist the power of organized rats supporting a cause. Don't matter if the rats are crazy or not.:D:D:D

[marberry]

Holy ****!!! right on the money



Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
44 62 38 22
You are:

* moderately expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* slightly expressed judging personality

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.

INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability.

[canid]

i'm one of those rarer of wingnuts, the intp, with a bent towards extroverting myself. i manage that with internet forums and ethnol.

[Buddha443556]

i'm one of those rarer of wingnuts, the intp, with a bent towards extroverting myself. i manage that with internet forums and ethnol.
Another 1%'er.

[Rick]

At least he wasn't a left hand threaded wingnut. That's like .0001%

AKS - I'm actually a little camera shy. Not as bad as the rats. They ran behind me when I sat the camera up. The new pads are just cool. Like sitting on Cool Whip. Not crazy about the color but we pick out battles around here. Right now, we're working on double servings of Extra Sharp Cheddar Cheese for the rats.

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1075/images/images600/17paddedcelljune5.jpg

[Ridge Wolf]

i want to take the test but as far as i can find they all cost like 40-80$ is there somewhere you can take it free??

Yep... for free. www.personalitytype.com (http://www.personalitytype.com) They also advertise some books on personality. I have three of them. You don't have to buy the books but the test is free just click on the link where it says FREE QUIZ! Take the quiz and learn what type you are. Then you can go to http://www.typelogic.com/ , click on your personality type and read all about you. If it doesn't match up with your traits, then go back and re-take the test again... (honesty?) then see what you come up with. :D

That is a shorter version of the actual test... but is enough of it to be telltale.

Oh, I see there is another place to take the test too.... :D Now, if you're single... there is www.typetango.com (http://www.typetango.com) if you're looking for a date or whatever.. :D

[crashdive123]

E-11
S-12
F-12
J-78

[Ridge Wolf]

Question??? Are most of the membership on here Judgers or other types? That would be a good thing to know to get a good profile of those that are most likely to be interested in wilderness/outdoor survival. Secondly, out of all the bonefide personality types (according to Briggs Meyers) which personality would be the best at outdoor survival, the worst, so so, Whom are teachers, loners, groupies, etc. etc.

Haven't figured out how to do a poll yet. Maybe I should start a poll. Hmm. Rick, How do I start a poll?

[canid]

i'm lefthanded, but my treads wore out long ago.

ridge, i'd say there are quite a few on here with a strong lean towards the thinking-perceiving. it seems to be a mixed bag in those terms.

[Rick]

Ridge - Scroll down to the 5th Instruction box.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_vb_special_codes

I'm quietly and efficiently keeping a journal for the Traxistanian government. We'll have to know who will proficient at beer making.

[grundle]

Are INTP's really that rare? I also scored in this category, as well as being left handed.

[canid]

not only are we rare, we're odd. do you happen to be socially maladjusted aswell?

[grundle]

I consider myself a "social introvert", meaning I have no problem socializing but I prefer quiet and solace. People often talk to me and I tune them out in favor of my own thought processes or I ignore them if I am already reading something. I cringe at the thought of being around large crowds, but once I am there I have no problems with it. Case and point I argued with my wife for about 3 hours about going to a University graduation, and I ended up losing. I was dreading it and I told her why -- 20,000 people do you know how many people that is? It is going to be a mess and half of them acting the fool!

Well once I was there it wasn't so bad, but luckily I tricked her into leaving early so it worked out well for both of us. I also have no problem getting up and giving a speech or a public discourse. It does not bother me in the slightest. If those things work together to make me socially maladjusted then I guess I should say yes?

Do you have a similar experience Canid?

[Buddha443556]

Socially maladjusted, I can see how INTP's might appear to be such to an observer. I find it odd an INTP would accept such an inaccurate label though.

Although I'm extremely introverted, I don't have problems with crowds or handling people though you will have to pay me to do either because I sure won't volunteer.

I'm very borderline P/J, at home I'm a P, at work I'm a J which is a surprise for those that get close enough to see that.

[Rick]

Actually, I would have been an INTP if the aliens hadn't helped me with the test. Smart little guys, I'll give 'em that.

[Ridge Wolf]

Socially maladjusted, I can see how INTP's might appear to be such to an observer. I find it odd an INTP would accept such an inaccurate label though.

Although I'm extremely introverted, I don't have problems with crowds or handling people though you will have to pay me to do either because I sure won't volunteer.

I'm very borderline P/J, at home I'm a P, at work I'm a J which is a surprise for those that get close enough to see that.

You are probably a J at work because your work demands that you be a judger. At home, you can relax more and get back into your true personality type of being a perceiver. Very common in the work world btw.

[Ridge Wolf]

Ridge - Scroll down to the 5th Instruction box.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/faq.php?faq=vb_read_and_post#faq_vb_special_codes

I'm quietly and efficiently keeping a journal for the Traxistanian government. We'll have to know who will proficient at beer making.

Thanks Rick, I'll work on this tonight.. :D

[JRJ]

I am INTP.

[Rick]

Or both.:D

[Ridge Wolf]

Let's not confuse "judgement", and "judge-mental".

Uh.. yeah.. I meant 'judger' or something to that effect.

[Rick]

Popeye probably put it best. "I am what I am and that's all what I am."

Thank you.

[Rick]

I must say, you nailed the marriage portion. My wife is my sister spirit. My high school sweetheart, my best friend and just one h**l of a person.

[klkak]

I've read what it said about my test results. I still don't really understand it. Where's a shrink when you need one? How important is this stuff anyway?

[AKS]

I've read what it said about my test results. I still don't really understand it. Where's a shrink when you need one? How important is this stuff anyway?

I read what it said about your test results also. It describes you pretty well. :D:D You will just have to ask your shrink to explain it to you at your next visit.:D:D:D
Besides, you already know how important this stuff is. It can give a person who studies it a sense for what you are likely to do, how you might go about doing it and who you will probably get along with. No guarantees though. Survival situations tend to make people act a little differently than normal.:eek:

[DOGMAN]

There are only two times of people in the world.
Those that know about the Wilderness Survival Forum, and those that don't...

[klkak]

I read what it said about your test results also. It describes you pretty well. :D:D You will just have to ask your shrink to explain it to you at your next visit.:D:D:D
Besides, you already know how important this stuff is. It can give a person who studies it a sense for what you are likely to do, how you might go about doing it and who you will probably get along with. No guarantees though. Survival situations tend to make people act a little differently than normal.:eek:

Smart A**!:D

[Rick]

klkak, you don't have to asterisk that out. AKS is not a bad work. So, it's permissible to say Smart AKS.:D


(How'd I do, AKS?)

[Ken]

klkak, you don't have to asterisk that out. AKS is not a bad work. So, it's permissible to say Smart AKS.:D


(How'd I do, AKS?)

You're looking for something from AKS, aren't you!:p

[Rick]

Nooo. I said AKS thinking Ken or someone else would answer. How many bricks are in your load?:D

[klkak]

I've read what it said about my test results. I still don't really understand it. Where's a shrink when you need one? How important is this stuff anyway?

When I said this, I was referring to the test and what it tells to someone who understands it. It has been my experience that it really doesn't matter what type personality you have when faced with a very stressful situation. You will either react the way you were trained or if you've never trained for the situation you will flake. I have seen this time and time again.

As a combat instructor in the military we would put the students into the field under very stressful conditions to evaluate where they were weak. We would take this information and tailor their training.

As an example. We would send the troops on a patrol that would take them through the middle of a large flat open field with no cover at all. Then the OPFOR would attack them. Without fail all the trainee's would hit the ground where they stood and die where they lay. After receiving training on what to do when ambushed. The students would attack the ambush and most would live as opposed to all of them dying. Also, They were taught not to just walk right out into an open field, they were taught how to conduct a "danger crossing".

This is just an example of why we should get all the training we can and practice the skills to the point that they are second nature. In this way if you do become a member of a group in a survival or disaster situation you can be a valuable member, and if you are smart enough. You don't have to be the leader of the group, you will be able to "Top from the bottom". In other words, you can influence the leaders decisions and not have the stress of leadership.

[Rick]

I can agree with that, AKS. But use your own experience for a moment. Were you in combat all of the time in the service? Were you under dire stress all that time? My guess is not. You probably "lived" life punctuated with periods of high stress. I would think that would be true in any scenario. Even those that think they have to hunker down in the bunker won't be attacked 24/7. While this info is a "nice to know", it's another tool you can use for the saner times, which should be the majority of your time as a group. IMHO.

[Buddha443556]

Found an interesting article:

http://www.aptinternational.org/assets/jptvol64_0305_apti.pdf

[cajun swamp hunter]

ESTJ sounds like a new venerial disease. klkak is right training helps build experience and confidence to work together. Without it our probies wouldnt last long in a working structure fire without leadership but can contibute to the team effort witout the responsibility affecting a rookie.

[klkak]

I can agree with that, AKS. But use your own experience for a moment. Were you in combat all of the time in the service? Were you under dire stress all that time? My guess is not. You probably "lived" life punctuated with periods of high stress. I would think that would be true in any scenario. Even those that think they have to hunker down in the bunker won't be attacked 24/7. While this info is a "nice to know", it's another tool you can use for the saner times, which should be the majority of your time as a group. IMHO.

Rick, as for myself. No I was not in combat all the time. In fact I only came under fire a couple of times. Those times made me realize that training is extremely important, not just in combat but in everyday life. Practicing what to do if you wake in the middle of the night to the smokedector alarm. Building a fire in all types of weather. Navigating without a GPS or map & compass. How to change your own flat tire.

Once I fell through the ice while checking my trap line. Normally not a problem where I was trapping because the water is not very deep. This time where I went through was chest deep and the temp what about -10. I was about 1/2 mile from my truck. I really didn't know what to do so I headed straight for my truck. By the time I was half way back I could barely walk and I was having trouble keeping my focus. When I got to my truck I could barely get undressed my carhart were frozen solid and I couldn't get them off. It was shear willpower that got me back. It really would have sucked to die because I didn't know what to do. I have sense taken a class on cold weather survival and dress differently now.

Training and practice is extremely important not just for you but for those with you. I believe with proper training it doest really matter what your personality type is.

[klkak]

Rick, as for myself. No I was not in combat all the time. In fact I only came under fire a couple of times. Those times made me realize that training is extremely important, not just in combat but in everyday life. Practicing what to do if you wake in the middle of the night to the smokedector alarm. Building a fire in all types of weather. Navigating without a GPS or map & compass. How to change your own flat tire.

Once I fell through the ice while checking my trap line. Normally not a problem where I was trapping because the water is not very deep. This time where I went through was chest deep and the temp what about -10. I was about 1/2 mile from my truck. I really didn't know what to do so I headed straight for my truck. By the time I was half way back I could barely walk and I was having trouble keeping my focus. When I got to my truck I could barely get undressed my carhart were frozen solid and I couldn't get them off. It was shear willpower that got me back. It really would have sucked to die because I didn't know what to do. I have sense taken a class on cold weather survival and dress differently now.

Training and practice is extremely important not just for you but for those with you. I believe with proper training it doest really matter what your personality type is.

Very nicely said KLKAK. You have perfect 20/20 insight into wilderness survival. We need more people like you on our forum and in our neighborhoods.

[FVR]

I'm just the Wood Cutter.

Sarge, I know what's in your back pocket.

WE, I feel you, you can re-direct your scope please.

Remy, got your back.

Trax, I know, I heard, eating good tonight. Talk to Sarge.

RIM, stop bye next time your sneaking by, you're good, but not that good. And bring a few ducks.


Quotes from a past life.

[DOGMAN]

Very nicely said KLKAK. You have perfect 20/20 insight into wilderness survival. We need more people like you on our forum and in our neighborhoods.

So are you refering to yourself here in the third person and just patting yourself on the back then? I'm a little confused....

[FVR]

I kind of ignored that post.

Something is a bit SSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTRANGE.

[klkak]

So are you referring to yourself here in the third person and just patting yourself on the back then? I'm a little confused....

I was being silly. Sometimes my personality type biorhythm line goes way off the chart.

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