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Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 06:15 PM
I was just wondering if any of you have ever gone and lived in the wilderness with your young children?... I have been thinking for a while now about leaving and starting fresh... I have a 2 year old but wouldn't go until he is at least 3/4... so I was hoping that someone out there could help me with how they did it and how their child coped... TIA xx

DSJohnson
02-10-2017, 06:35 PM
Welcome to the forum. Could you take a moment or two and do an intro?

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?7813-Posting-Your-Introduction

That will help us give you better advice, insight and opinions.

Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 06:49 PM
Yes sorry... I've done that now hehee x

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alaskabushman
02-10-2017, 06:50 PM
Lots of us on here have kids of all ages. I have 4 myself. My son was born last spring, and its wasn't two weeks later and we were out camping as a family. All my kids love being outdoors because that's where they spend most of their time! Getting the kids out into the woods and making it fun is critical. Its not about "surviving" or primitive fire building when they are three or four, its about how many bugs they can find, or who has the best walking stick...
Being outdoors is good for us adults as well.

Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 06:56 PM
Yes I imagine that is what they would look for hahaa... I was wondering more about a long term trip or even living out there... xx

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DSJohnson
02-10-2017, 07:02 PM
I agree 100% with ABM. It is all about making it fun and enjoyable for the little ones. My wife and I had our kids "out" pretty much all their pre-teen years. Both of them today (43 and 41 years old) are avid outdoors people and very comfortable and very capable in the wilderness. I have 7 granddaughters and 3 grandsons and they all hike, camp, hunt and spend time in the woods because they enjoy it.

Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 07:08 PM
That sounds amazing...
I'm just a little worried my son won't sleep lol... he's a nosy one you see... Won't sleep anywhere but he's bed no matter how tired he is incase he misses something... is there anyway I can help him with that? X

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DSJohnson
02-10-2017, 07:14 PM
Start small and simple.....short walks, eating a sandwich and talking about the bugs, birds, and trees that you have walked by/seen. Both my son and my daughter really enjoyed going out in the woods with me to hunt when they were very young...3 and 4 years old. They both loved it! My son and all 5 of his daughters (and his wife also) are avid hunters. My daughter still enjoys telling people about how much fun it was to help recover the game and take care of cleaning it and preparing it for eating. We started sleeping out under the stars in the back yard in the summer time when they were 6 or 7. We also were going to camping events with other families that had young children about that same time. My children still have very strong ties and friendships with kids they met while camping.

Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 07:15 PM
Thank you so much. I'll try that :)... it seems like so much fun xx

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DSJohnson
02-10-2017, 07:17 PM
That sounds amazing...
I'm just a little worried my son won't sleep lol... he's a nosy one you see... Won't sleep anywhere but he's bed no matter how tired he is incase he misses something... is there anyway I can help him with that? X

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Does he have a "Favorite or "special" blanket, quilt, stuffed animal or pillow? Be sure and let him take that. Try letting him sleep in the sleeping bag or bedding that you will use in the woods, in his own bed at home...or let him "camp out" on the back porch some night with you of course. Little steps...

alaskabushman
02-10-2017, 07:17 PM
My kids don't sleep the greatest the first night of camping (excitement and new surroundings), but they settle in pretty quick and running around all day long in the woods tuckers them out pretty good. We keep a pretty regular bedtime, but during camping trips we let them stay up longer, sitting around the fire. Nary a peep when they finally get sent to bed.

Scriblesdevil
02-10-2017, 07:19 PM
He has a little stuffed lamb... takes it everywhere with him anyway lol... Yes. I'll try all of this. Thank you xx

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Rick
02-10-2017, 08:21 PM
Do you want to set up an alternative form of power and just be off grid or do you want a primitive lifestyle with no electricity of any kind?

hunter63
02-10-2017, 08:52 PM
I guess I a bit confused as well.....
There ar a lot of consideration beside how a child will sleep or not.
They get tired, they sleep.....

So what did you have in mind....camping or a trip is one thing,....living off the grid is quite something else.
Considerations include are:

Location ...where are you headed?

What assets are you planning of bring with you?...Money, tools, skills all sorts of gear, food, water source,

What are you planning on for shelter?....Facilities.... water, latrine, heat, cooling, cooking, transportation

How off grid are you planning on being?....Still maintaining cell and Wifi...and charge it

What are planning on to support your self?

Education for the child?

Not meaning to give you a bad time.....but these are just basic questions that need to be addressed before heading out.

Having a child with you will be the least of your concerns, they can will pretty much follow your lead and survive pretty well even with out a "Binkie"....BUT he/she just needs to have the basic needs taken care of.

Sounds like you have planning to do.

Good luck....

Scriblesdevil
02-11-2017, 05:54 AM
I want the primitive lifestyle tbh...
I'll be heading toward Scotland.
There is a lot I haven't figured out and that will all be done before I go... lie I said I'm not planning on going just yet lol x

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Rick
02-11-2017, 08:15 AM
Then not to be a jerk and to steal an idea from another member.....if you want to know what it's like to live primitive then turn off you power, water and electronics. You can no longer use your appliances and you have to wash clothes in the sink. Try that for a week at home and see how comfortable that is. Then consider that a sample. And read this....

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?6837-What-Do-I-Need-To-Survive-in-the-Wild

kyratshooter
02-11-2017, 11:59 AM
Seems this person is English and wishing to run off to the woods with infant child! I suppose it is about that time of year again.

All of England north of London dreams of heading for Scotland and living off the land. They see Scotland, with 100 people per square mile, as a vast wilderness.

Truth is that the reason there are a few empty spaces in Scotland is that no one can live there. They have tried for 40,000 years and found it is best to leave that as a national park.

Now if you live south of London the direction you are going s toward Wales, along with the near 20 million other Englishmen wanting a little place of their own.

Being in England what you will find is that there is a counsel in every district and town that tells you what you can build, how you can build it, what materials you can use, what education your kids must have, how you must provide for them and even if there are no CCTV cameras in your woods there will be people coming through and reporting your presence. You are in one of them most densely populated islands in the world, people are everywhere.

I often remind my friends from GB that I live in a well populated rural area of the U.S. and feel overwhelmed by the density of population, and I am dealing with a number that is 1/10 of the population density of most of the UK.

Add to that the fact that every square inch of England is owned by someone and there is no free land and you compound the problems of living your fantasy.

Better keep the day job, do some tent camping with the tot, buy a caravan, and look toward purchasing that little 5 acre place with the cottage and shed on the back road in the Welsh mountains.

As for how to raise your child there??? I raised 2 while living in a rural setting with minimal grid, meaning I had electricity to the tune of 5 light bulbs, a stove and refrigerator. I did not get running water installed for two year after occupying the place. Had a 4 year old and a two year old. We lived there for 5 years and they survived the situation and loved daily life. They are both in their late 30s now and still talk of events that happened there.

It is also demanding and presents dangers one does not have to deaal with in the urban setting. New learning experiences that demand strict supervision and immediate obedience from the child. None of this stopping to beg for obedience or discussion of why it is needed. The result of lack of supervision or lack of obedience can be sudden and immediate injury or death.

Children have been growing up in off grid situations for several million years, if the parent can handle the job.

rebel
02-11-2017, 12:26 PM
I like to go camping. After about four days I'm ready to go home.

hunter63
02-11-2017, 12:31 PM
Did a fast practice "Bug Out" to our BOL....Prepacked supplies with location stashed.
One week...piece-o-cake...
Second week, running out of TP and beer....headed to town for pizza at the saloon, after a resupply stop at Walmart.

rebel
02-11-2017, 12:43 PM
Lol. I can only imagine what a week with a toddler in the woods would do. Nightmare!

Shady Slim
02-11-2017, 12:49 PM
I think the OP has a little more in mind than what she is putting on the table.

I read that she wants to 'get away' meaning as running away. Going to live in the wilderness with very small children is something a parent does not think of doing (IMHO). They would want their kids to have the best and not living where there is a threat around every corner.

Here is why I say this.

My own mother left when my brother and I were 8 and 9 yrs old. We never knew where she was for a few years. I later found out at age 16 where she was living and went there to see her. Only because mom confided in her mother NOT to tell us where she went for her safety. You see, mom was constantly abused by my dad daily. She saw one opportunity to escape one day and she did.

As I matured I realized that what mom did was to save her soul from the daily attacks by dad. I do not hold her leaving against her at all. As a young child I was all about "I miss mom, where is she?" It was about MY feelings and not hers. I realized as I grew up that she had one chance to escape and she did.

Good for her. However, that left my brother and I to put up with dad's constant drunkenness and abuse. My brother left the house at 16 as soon as he dropped out of school and I left at 17, as soon as I was able to get a car and get the hell out of there.

rebel
02-11-2017, 01:08 PM
Good point.

Lonehunter
02-11-2017, 01:55 PM
I think she is trying to say more of a comunity who live of in the wild maybe some of you guys know any for her i aimt got a clue were any are

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Billofthenorth
02-11-2017, 02:37 PM
A quick google search for communes in GB turns these up. Not sure how close this might be to what you seek and I imagine a cult or two might get into the mix. Due diligence!

http://www.diggersanddreamers.org.uk/
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/easy-living-the-truth-about-modern-communes-2020668.html
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/67920-uk-communes/

alaskabushman
02-11-2017, 02:53 PM
With the description Kyrat outlined for us, I don't blame her for wanting to get out. I feel crowded just visiting my In-laws in Idaho...

kyratshooter
02-11-2017, 09:14 PM
With the description Kyrat outlined for us, I don't blame her for wanting to get out. I feel crowded just visiting my In-laws in Idaho...

400 people per square mile and that is averaging things out. Almost 1/3 of the population lives in east England with London being one of the largest cities on the globe, at around 20,000,000 for the city and surrounding areas. Much like living anywhere between Boston and DC.

Speaking of London, one out of three people living there was born outside of England.

I deal with the preppers in the UK daily and they have a universal dream of going off grid in a little cottage in Wales. Wales is going to be the most crowded BOL in the world if a universal disaster occurs!

Scotland, where our OP wants to head is not so popular. Very cold in winter with blizards and winds up to 100mph racing down the valley being common. All the good agricultural areas are already occupied and have been since the last Ice Age. The people are very "clannish" (yea I saw that) and jobs are concentrated in the major cities which everyone is trying to escape in the first place.

On top of that Scotland would not be part of GB if the Brixit vote had been before their independence vote. Most of the vote to stay in the EU was the population of Scotland.

Their situation is not what we would call "good".

alaskabushman
02-11-2017, 09:26 PM
"400 people per square mile"

I'll stick with the 1.4 people per square mile that Alaska enjoys...

By the way that .4 of a person? That's all that's left after a few winters...

Graf
02-11-2017, 09:30 PM
I would suggest short term trials now and increase the lengths of stay. Hopefully there will be 2 adults would make it easier for sure. Kids sleeping shouldn't be a problem playing in the fresh air will do the trick, keep them involved in the day to day activities. Be glad there not teenagers that would be rough on most of them leaving by friends, electronics etc

hunter63
02-11-2017, 09:32 PM
"400 people per square mile"

I'll stick with the 1.4 people per square mile that Alaska enjoys...

By the way that .4 of a person? That's all that's left after a few winters...

Now that is funny, I don't care who you are.......and probably true......LOL

kyratshooter
02-11-2017, 10:35 PM
"400 people per square mile"

I'll stick with the 1.4 people per square mile that Alaska enjoys...

By the way that .4 of a person? That's all that's left after a few winters...

I actually made a mistake on that number. The real density of population is 413 sq/km so the figure per sq/ml is about 4x that number, more than 1600sq/ml for the area of east England.

In contrast, my state of KY has 100 people sq/ml and that is what much of the south and midwest averages. We only hit 1,000p/sq/ml in our major urban areas, the east of England is like living on our eastern megalopolis.

SwissBrit
02-12-2017, 05:22 AM
My advice is don't give up on the idea but maybe you have to adjust your sights a bit.
We moved into a Swiss farm house in a low alpine area.
The farm had no central heating only a wood fired stove and fire place. To heat the bedrooms you had to open a hatch in the floor above the fireplace, oh and water from our own well.
No washing machine, tumble dryer etc..
My kids were 5 & 6 n a bit. They loved it. Our swiss freinds thought we were nuts in a 200yr old farmhouse.. upside .. 3.5hectar of fields,woodland & stream all for a 1/4 of what most pay for 3rooms i got 8 plus 100' of barn & a holiday cottage in the grounds.
Ok it's hard work, cutting wood, clearing the fields, keeping animals & running a tree nursery but well worth it in the end and my kids, well they are fit, quickwitted & self reliant.
Follow your dream my freind & dont be put off.
Good luck


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kyratshooter
02-12-2017, 02:59 PM
I spent more than 20 years chasing that dream, until it nearly killed me!

Two back surgeries before age 40 and one heart attack at 50 and I realized that all my attempts to get out of the rat race were not going to get me out of the rat race. Common sense and the demands of the medical profession required me to slow down on the wood cutting, barn building and roof climbing.

What finally got me onto the homestead with proper financing for equipment, maintenance, proper food, clothing and shelter was the fact that I spent all those years "working for the man", climbing the pay scale ladder, building a pension plan and putting in my 40 quarters for Social Security.

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