Serious thought.

[Wise Old Owl]

I am going to give a little credence to an idea of a better walled idea of space age materials that can keep you warmer than a tent or camper. It will fit into a truck bed and will need you to set it up. Hence the shack will last years untill you would need to build something better. The R value will better than your current house. I am working on an idea that you could drop this product on a slab of ice in a lake and sleep comfortably as an ice shack. At the moment it clearly an Idea - Thoughts?

[M118LR]

Heat source, wind, solar, chemical reaction?????????
Igloo's work merely on body heat, but a kudlik provides light and another source of heat.
The base of the platform shall need to be a sled, unless the ice pack never thaws.
Are we talking duck blind- ice fishing- like shelter. Or just a ice portable ice shelter like:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/frabill-aegis-2000-ice-fishing-shelter-2-person?a=1845469&pm2d=CSE-SPG-15-PLA&utm_medium=PLA&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=CI&gclid=CMf3ypKs2dACFQ6NaQodkrYI8w

[hunter63]

Heck of an idea......and I suppose it secret?

[randyt]

double bubble insulation

[alaskabushman]

The typical house (at least in my area of Alaska) will have anywhere from R-11 to R-19 depending on what size studs are used. This is almost exclusively fiberglass. If you want higher R value than a house, you will need to probably use a rigid foam insulation, which actually raises in R value as temperature drops. Polyisocyanurate will give you the best R value at around R-6 per inch of foam. It also is expensive...but you said "space age materials". If you make a 2x4'' wall and fill it with Polyisocyanurate, you get R-36, pretty darn nice! If you decide to go with something cheaper like simple expanded Polystyrene, you will get about R-12 in your 2X4'' wall.

Randy mentioned bubble insulation, there is a reflective bubble home wrap that helps hold in heat (like a space blanket) and reduces thermal bridging through your studs.
It really boils down to how much you want to spend, and how you combine materials. I've been a carpenter for years, and have worked with many of these materials. There are lots of other options in the Lower 48 that are unavailable here, so shop around and you might find something even better. Spray-in foam or blow in cellulose, mineral wool, or good ol' fashioned fiberglass are other options.

[Rick]

Sleeping bag?

[pete lynch]

double bubble insulation

That's what I was thinking. You can get a roll of reflectix (http://www.reflectixinc.com/) and a sewing machine and, well....go to town.

[hunter63]

I am going to give a little credence to an idea of a better walled idea of space age materials that can keep you warmer than a tent or camper. It will fit into a truck bed and will need you to set it up. Hence the shack will last years untill you would need to build something better. The R value will better than your current house. I am working on an idea that you could drop this product on a slab of ice in a lake and sleep comfortably as an ice shack. At the moment it clearly an Idea - Thoughts?

Oh...This was a question....and here I thought you had a secret was of staying warm on the cheap.....

I do use 1" pink foam under the rubber bed liner in the truck....works well.
Had though if a thin plywood skin over pink foam would make a decent shell....kinda a poor man "sip panels"....

We used a foam board with reflective backing for duct work in the HVAC industry....they even make special tools for cutting an folding a box for a sheet.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/JOHNS-MANVILLE-17615-Duct-Insulation-1In-x-24In-x-48In/40895312?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1122&adid=22222222227028384608&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=61188028689&wl4=aud-261800281660:pla-96584518809&wl5=1016367&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=101593696&wl11=online&wl12=40895312&wl13=&veh=sem

[kyratshooter]

Is this to be portable or remain in place once erected?

Is it to be soft walled or rigid construction?

What kind of snow load is expected?

How big is your truck, if thinking portable?

How many people are helping you set it up?

[Wise Old Owl]

Well I got an "education" about TAP a recycled used newspaper that is mixed with some denim like out dollar bills and a mix of Borate. The cellulose is "fuzzed up with saws in the process the Borate is added and it becomes completely fire proof. What I noticed is it can be thinner than Pink and have a better R value - it is harder to work with, but comes in a pack faced plastic.

Combine with a lite wood or bricking frame and Coroplast and bubble insulation and one could build a wall of the stuff and create windows and roof that would last forever. >Let me see if I can find a video of Coroplast - but so far I have been unable to find a video of combining with Cellulose and bubble wrap.

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok invision this 3-4 times larger so we can put in a small portable wood stove.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqdiwVtHvc&t=243s

[Wise Old Owl]

http://www.coloradocylinderstoves.com/images/Website%20Professional%20Photos%20020.jpg

[Wise Old Owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiejAhol4Ps

I am thinking it could be flat packed on a truck, be light weight - add hard hinges velco for easy set up.

Solar panels and Lithium battery with a controller to charge light electronics.

[kyratshooter]

Did his mom finally kick him out of the basement?

[Wise Old Owl]

Yea he is a little out there. Not a bad build for $60 Too cold for me... Need a thermal idea plan.

and let's face it if it was larger the weight would not be significant and would fit in the back of a truck.

[hunter63]

Post up some pic's when you get'er done....

[JohnPombrio]

The hardest part of a lightweight and small shelter is security. I lived on a bicycle for 1 1/2 years and making sure that my gear was secure was a high priority. When I see these small shelters, I kind of cringe at having to leave all this gear open to whoever has a sharp knife. If you cannot collapse it down, I would not be comfortable leaving it overnight. That is why you do not see these kinds of shelters all over the place, esp for homeless people or folks trying to go lightly on the planet.

[Phaedrus]

It looks at least as secure as a tent! And lots of people in different cultures around the world live in tents (or yurts). I don't know how often they're left unattended but it must happen.

[hunter63]

Had a 1972 Toyota PU w/alum. cap.....so was somewhat secure....some of the pic's from Google were close to the slightly raised bunk that I used for a long time as a bow hunting shelter

Google images'

https://www.google.com/search?q=homemade+truck+bed+camper&biw=1093&bih=514&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwi88_ujmNzQAhVT3WMKHbxZD-MQsAQIMg#imgrc=_


https://vimeo.com/15724442

[Wise Old Owl]

The hardest part of a lightweight and small shelter is security. I lived on a bicycle for 1 1/2 years and making sure that my gear was secure was a high priority. When I see these small shelters, I kind of cringe at having to leave all this gear open to whoever has a sharp knife. If you cannot collapse it down, I would not be comfortable leaving it overnight. That is why you do not see these kinds of shelters all over the place, esp for homeless people or folks trying to go lightly on the planet.

Well you make a good point, I worked for years at ADT and Rampart Security, adding a small lightweight car alarm can be anywhere from $100 with battery to a proximity system for $600, such as the Viper, with a remote switch, these items are by design to sip electricity from the battery.


Hunter - you nailed it with that video... you just gave me some ideas on how to fix my camper.

[Wise Old Owl]

Adding a 1/2 inch of pink foam to all the storage areas can fix most 3 season campers.

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