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oregonoutdoorsman
05-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Hi everyone, Here is some first handed information that saved my life in South America.
in a captive situation. Here is how to make a stabbing tool and a gun out of basic's:

Fat grease butter anything that will burn for some time especialy fat, take a piece of you t shirt or banbana small thin piece about the size of a wick of a candle because you are making a candle. In most captive situations metal is out of the question so syrafoam cups are use.
1) Weapon one : Lite you candle, put your socks on your hands so you do not burn your hands, melt the styrafoam ( might take a few cups) and spin it between your sock covered hands. Soon you will have a rock hard ice pick shaped tool that can't be detected with metal detectors.

2) Weapon two : Access to news paer or a magazine, a bar of soap matches.
lay out one page at a time wet soap ( most soup has a small amount of wax in it especially the cheap stuff) and wipe all over each individual page one at a time. Roll it in a tight tube shape with the opening about the size of a pencil diameter.
Continue to saop pages and add on to them until your tube walls are approximately 1/4 inch thick.
If you have tooth paste or putty from a window etc anything that will black one end.
Using either the staples from the magazine or anoter needle like tool make a hole i the tube approximately 1/2 inch from the blocked end.

Urinate on something solid for a week or so until a buildup occurs, scape that and collect it, this is ammonia, mix this with crushed matches now you have an ignition source. Pour this and pack this in the tube, Question what do I use for projectiles, easy , your pants zipper teeth and or the brads in your pants.
The fuse can either be made from a pices of paper dipped in urine let dry and just prior to being dry spinkle crushed match heads on it.

3) Tool, if ever you travel outside the US most areas have toilet paper that is not perferated this my friend is rope. Take several pieces and braid them together, I learned this trick due to a guy who was being held for some time developed an infection in his leg from having his knee taken out by a rat trap and a shot gun shell, he hung himself by doing this , he weighed over 190 lbs.



I have many many more, being on a team throughout the 1980's and 1990's we spent 9 weeks a year at a camp preping for the SHTF occations. Please feel free to contact me if you would like to pick my brain :-) have a great day
bulrush
05-15-2008, 11:53 AM
I believe #1, because I have accidentally melted a styro cup and found that it hardened into a dense material. #2 and #3 just don't make sense to me. The chemistry does not seem to make sense with what I know.

"Urinate on something solid" and "scrape it up"? What you have is not ammonia (it is liquid) but perhaps saltpeter crystals (potassium nitrate). And I doubt you will get enough to propel a projectile either, it will not be pure enough.
klkak
05-15-2008, 12:29 PM
I worked throughout Central and South America in the 80's and early 90's. Maybe we have met.
Ken
05-15-2008, 02:52 PM
klkak -- Nimrod Dancer?
LeaveThisLifeGuy
05-15-2008, 02:57 PM
wow... you my friend, are pretty intense.
trax
05-15-2008, 03:29 PM
Fella seems a little sensitive....
Rick
05-15-2008, 03:46 PM
First, I've never been held captive. Well, there were those twins but that's a whole other story. Anyway, at the risk of provoking ire amongst the knowledgable, I think the dried stuff in urine is urea, which is made from ammonia within the body. Aquatic animals excrete ammonia but mammals excrete urea. Whether than can be used in the same way as you've described I have no idea but I would be interested in knowing. Are you using it as a sort of "gun powder" to fire the brads et. al. through the tube?
trax
05-15-2008, 03:51 PM
...and if for some unimaginable reason it doesn't work,:eek: do you just say 'piss on it' and walk away?

Tell us about the twins Rick...:D
Rick
05-15-2008, 04:16 PM
It was a week in the Italian Alps. I went skiing with my Ranger Rick survival necklace. As it turns out the twins were survival specialists, became intrigued with my high quality gear and offered to provide some survival instruction. Let's just say I'm still here.
trax
05-15-2008, 04:20 PM
Good Lord, man, just cut to the chase and tell me the twins were female!! :D
Rick
05-15-2008, 04:22 PM
Ladies, Trax. They were ladies in every regard.
klkak
05-15-2008, 04:35 PM
klkak -- Nimrod Dancer?

Blast furnace
Volant oak
Blazing trails
JTF-Bravo

To many more, some of which had no names.
"If someone told me I had to go back to Central or South America I think I would kill myself"!
grundle
05-15-2008, 05:04 PM
Blast furnace
Volant oak
Blazing trails
JTF-Bravo

To many more, some of which had no names.
"If someone told me I had to go back to Central or South America I think I would kill myself"!

I have lived in South America off and on over the last 10 years. I really love it :P
Sam Reeves
05-15-2008, 05:18 PM
It seems like most of you folks have lived interesting lives.
klkak
05-15-2008, 07:17 PM
Thats the whole point in joining the military.
Travel to exotic lands
See wonderful and exciting things
Meet new and interesting people and kill them.
nell67
05-15-2008, 07:23 PM
...and if for some unimaginable reason it doesn't work,:eek: do you just say 'piss on it' and walk away?

Tell us about the twins Rick...:D

Twins Trax?????:mad: I think I need an icon with a rolling pin,tapping it's foot here.....:D
crashdive123
05-15-2008, 07:25 PM
Something like this? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angry009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Ken
05-15-2008, 08:04 PM
Blast furnace
Volant oak
Blazing trails
JTF-Bravo

To many more, some of which had no names.
"If someone told me I had to go back to Central or South America I think I would kill myself"!

My kid brother was in Nimrod Dancer, Purple Storm, Sand Fleas, and Just Cause. 7th. Light. Ft. Ord. He retires this month.
klkak
05-15-2008, 08:06 PM
My kid brother was in Nimrod Dancer, Purple Storm, Sand Fleas, and Just Cause. 7th. Light. Ft. Ord. He retires this month.

Good for him.:)
LeaveThisLifeGuy
05-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Thats the whole point in joining the military.
Travel to exotic lands
See wonderful and exciting things
Meet new and interesting people and kill them.

Not if you're jag. Thinkin about that one so's I don't have to stay here.
crashdive123
05-15-2008, 08:52 PM
Ahh. Young Ensign or Second Lt......can you say GITMO.
klkak
05-15-2008, 09:02 PM
Young officers are like the hole under an outhouse.
LeaveThisLifeGuy
05-15-2008, 09:47 PM
great, so i've got that to look forward too!
crashdive123
05-15-2008, 09:52 PM
It beats fasting.
LeaveThisLifeGuy
05-16-2008, 12:53 AM
i'm pretty sure just about anything beats fasting
bulrush
05-16-2008, 01:19 PM
I think the dried stuff in urine is urea, which is made from ammonia within the body.

Hey Rick,
Are you saying urea is explosive? I thought urea was unstable, and quickly converted to ammonia. Ever been in an outhouse in the summer? That's ammonia you smell, my friend. Along with some other wonderful gasses.


During the American Rev. War the farmers were directed to collect saltpeter for black powder in the following manner: pile animal and human urine, along with ruminant feces into pits or large barrels. Keep adding urine which will wash out the salt peter. Get the liquid from the barrel and concentrate it slowly over a fire by boiling away the water. Certain crystals would form on the side of the pot and that would be salt peter.

I just didn't read this in one place, it was 2 or 3 places I read about getting salt peter from animal feces (especially bat guano) and urine.
nell67
05-16-2008, 05:15 PM
Something like this? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angry009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Thats close crash :D
Flavor Bear
05-16-2008, 05:30 PM
( most soup has a small amount of wax in it especially the cheap stuff)

...

Huh?
trax
05-16-2008, 05:33 PM
Thats close crash :D

Hey they were Rick's twins, it was Rick's story. I was just glad my friend survived!!

and...flavor bear? you just might be my hero
Flavor Bear
05-16-2008, 05:38 PM
and...flavor bear? you just might be my hero

You're not the first to say so, and I doubt you will be the last.

*flies away*
trax
05-16-2008, 05:43 PM
You're not the first to say so, and I doubt you will be the last.

*flies away*

Up there in the sky! It's ...it's ....it's...flavor bear! (Okeee, that was for you, the emphasis really should be on the might be in the first statement :D)
Rick
05-16-2008, 08:08 PM
bulrush - It may smell like ammonia but it isn't. It's urea.

"Most organisms have to deal with the excretion of nitrogen waste originating from protein and amino acid catabolism. In aquatic organisms the most common form of nitrogen waste is ammonia, while land-dwelling organisms convert the toxic ammonia to either urea or uric acid. In general, birds and saurian reptiles excrete uric acid, whereas the remaining species, including mammals, excrete urea. It is noteworthy that tadpoles excrete ammonia, and shift to urea production during metamorphosis."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea

I have no idea whether it is explosive or not and that was what I was asking about the earlier post. Not disputing his word at all just trying to learn something.
Buddha443556
05-16-2008, 10:33 PM
I have no idea whether it is explosive or not and that was what I was asking about the earlier post. Not disputing his word at all just trying to learn something.
Potassium Chlorate, Sulfur and Urea, chlorate powders can substitute for gunpowder. More of a fast burning incendiary than an explosive.
Alpine_Sapper
05-16-2008, 11:56 PM
Potassium Chlorate, Sulfur and Urea, chlorate powders can substitute for gunpowder. More of a fast burning incendiary than an explosive.

Yes, but any fast burning incendiary can be made an explosive if contained. The pressure is what will make it explode. If one part of the container is weaker than the others, it escapes through the weakest point. Like a shotgun shell.
Ken
05-17-2008, 12:13 AM
Why not just make the tube out of the newspaper, make some needle point projectiles out of the styrofoam, and use the dern thing as a blowgun?

You'll get more than one use out of the thing, it'll be silent to keep some element of surprise, and it's a lot easier to make. Probably more accurate and lethal, too.

That thing dangling between your legs may be a weapon, but it wasn't designed to make gunpowder components.......
Buddha443556
05-17-2008, 10:01 AM
Yes, but any fast burning incendiary can be made an explosive if contained. The pressure is what will make it explode. If one part of the container is weaker than the others, it escapes through the weakest point. Like a shotgun shell.
Yep, even just the stuff from the match heads should work if packed right.

Potassium Chlorate is a better oxidizer than Saltpeter (Potassium nitrate) however Potassium Chlorate and Sulfur are shock sensitive when mixed ... probably should mention that.


Hey Rick,
During the American Rev. War the farmers were directed to collect saltpeter for black powder in the following manner: pile animal and human urine, along with ruminant feces into pits or large barrels. Keep adding urine which will wash out the salt peter. Get the liquid from the barrel and concentrate it slowly over a fire by boiling away the water. Certain crystals would form on the side of the pot and that would be salt peter.

I just didn't read this in one place, it was 2 or 3 places I read about getting salt peter from animal feces (especially bat guano) and urine.
Don't know about the American Revolution but I remember my father telling me the Vietnamese used urine to make a gun powder.

There's also Urea Nitrate a simple explosive to make but requires a detonator ... another of many uses of urine.
crashdive123
05-17-2008, 10:13 AM
You have got to love this forum. Where else are you going to find multiple uses for pee?
NorthWindTrails
05-17-2008, 10:26 AM
What really peeves me are all the peons that get so p-o'd about p*ss. Just my .02c :)
klkak
05-17-2008, 01:11 PM
I think I'll just be a good boy and stay out of trouble so I don't get thrown in jail. Then I won't need to make "Shivs" and "News paper guns" to attack the guards with.
Buddha443556
05-17-2008, 07:25 PM
Pretty easy to wind up in jail these days.

http://www.gunsmagazine.com/DGR0708.html
Rick
05-17-2008, 07:37 PM
He's not quite as innocent as that article makes out. He has two prior gun convictions:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=750464
Buddha443556
05-17-2008, 08:02 PM
That was the first article I came across on the case, yeah it's rather rosy summary. I think if he had any felony gun conviction then all of this would be a rather ridiculous waste of the peoples tax dollars. Didn't Lou Dobbs bring those allegations up too? Damn, caught watching CNN.
Rick
05-17-2008, 08:14 PM
Yeah. In fact there is a transcript on the web. Google the guy's name and it should come up. I've always been a believer that it's pretty rare for someone to get into trouble with the law unless they have one foot over the line already. Not impossible, just not the norm.
crashdive123
05-17-2008, 08:37 PM
On the previous convictions - I can fully understand carrying a concealed weapon to protect yourself and family. If you don't agree with the laws in the area that you live in you have a couple of options - work to change them or move. The other "incident" is the one that is disturbing. Being reprimanded for passing military info to a militia or vigilante group???? Why was this guy still in the military.
Sam
05-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Blast furnace
Volant oak
Blazing trails
JTF-Bravo

To many more, some of which had no names.
"If someone told me I had to go back to Central or South America I think I would kill myself"!

Screw killing your self, KILL THEM. Then you can get on with your day. I operated in Central and South America, beautiful land with some mean azzed people.
klkak
05-17-2008, 09:48 PM
Screw killing your self, KILL THEM. Then you can get on with your day. I operated in Central and South America, beautiful land with some mean azzed people.

It was meant figuratively. In other words I don't ever want to go back. To many bad memories. All those ghost and skeletons are finely locked away and I see no reason to let them out by going back there. This is another reason I live in Alaska. It's as far as I can get from Central and South America and still be in the U.S. of A.
Ben
07-23-2008, 06:01 PM
When i was in school, i was lucky enough to get stuck with a project about "primitive" weapons. I chose gunpowder for this, and while researching, i found a Chinese text that said the saltpeter was derived from mixing pig feces and urine along with charcoal and sulfur. I made a few batches with only human urine, although i didnt ever really use it for anything other than adding an extra lil' zip to bottle rockets.
VampireRanger676
08-06-2008, 03:37 AM
sounds like some maguvyer crud to me
crashdive123
08-06-2008, 07:39 AM
sounds like some maguvyer crud to me

Not sure which post you're referring to, or if you mean the entire thread in general. I believe that it is important (sometimes more than others) to be able to accomplish "stuff", and sometimes you may not have the traditional items available to accomplish that "stuff". This thread is a great way of conveying some ideas that may have worked for me, and hopefully will be of values to others.
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