Well my Neighbor is a prepper.....

[Wise Old Owl]

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Imagine the Neighborhood surprise when this pulled up our street this week The tube appears to be a 15 foot x 90 feet and there is a second section that attaches to it. The second tube appears to be 30 feet and has two escape tubes about 6 feet each.

The digger was there for a week so my best guess is this is above the water table which is 26 feet down.

[Wise Old Owl]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/20160923_131019_zps9bkvpo3l.jpg

here is the Crane for the lift... it was here for the weekend.

[Wise Old Owl]

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Here are the tubes being lifted over the house to get them to the back yard.

[Wise Old Owl]

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Here is the approach tube and escape tubes in the front yard.

Not sure how it attaches but my guess is this is an underground lobby to the entrance.

[madmax]

Good Lord! Is he burying a nuke!

[kyratshooter]

From what I see his shelter is now worth more than his house!

[Antonyraison]

Hopefully I shan't offend, I am just really surprised at how serious American populous takes preparedness, a lot of people seem to have fall out shelters, and the alike.
I can understand in some areas where Natural disasters are prevalent. It just seems very foreign to me as we do not have any natural distastes such as hurricanes,typhoons, volcanoes,earth quakes, or nuclear fallout danger (until we actually implement nuclear energy) our dangers lie with-in a possible civil war due to protest action against our government due to service delivery/corruption/failed promises.

My interests lies in Wilderness survival, as I live in southern Africa, and spend Time outdoors camping and hiking etc, so for me having these skills are a great thing, as being a lost hiker can happen, or being kidnapped can happen, as hijacked and left alone in the middle of no-where does happen (in fact i have been hijacked)
and large parts of our country outside of suburbia is all bush..
I am just curious as to how often a scenario would take place that would warrant the need of such shelters?
forgive my ignorance

[Antonyraison]

But saying all that above, that is one insanely huge shelter, and I too reckon that thing is likely worth more than his house.
Wonder what it looks like inside, and what possible dangers is your neighbor trying to be prepared for?

[madmax]

I think most of us think it's overkill. Unless you're building the ultimate mancave.

[Antonyraison]

I think most of us think it's overkill. Unless you're building the ultimate mancave.

this is certainly my impression

[finallyME]

Hopefully I shan't offend, I am just really surprised at how serious American populous takes preparedness, a lot of people seem to have fall out shelters, and the alike.
I can understand in some areas where Natural disasters are prevalent. It just seems very foreign to me as we do not have any natural distastes such as hurricanes,typhoons, volcanoes,earth quakes, or nuclear fallout danger (until we actually implement nuclear energy) our dangers lie with-in a possible civil war due to protest action against our government due to service delivery/corruption/failed promises.

My interests lies in Wilderness survival, as I live in southern Africa, and spend Time outdoors camping and hiking etc, so for me having these skills are a great thing, as being a lost hiker can happen, or being kidnapped can happen, as hijacked and left alone in the middle of no-where does happen (in fact i have been hijacked)
and large parts of our country outside of suburbia is all bush..
I am just curious as to how often a scenario would take place that would warrant the need of such shelters?
forgive my ignorance

To each their own. Most of the US population feels the same as you. This is a very small minority.

[kyratshooter]

I am just curious as to how often a scenario would take place that would warrant the need of such shelters?
forgive my ignorance

The persons that go to this much trouble are usually of the opinion that it only takes one incident to kill you, and just because it has never happened before does not mean it will not happen tomorrow.

Almost every part of the U.S. has some predisposition for natural disaster; earthquake, bushfire, flood, tornado, blizzard, nuke accident. Many local and regional governments will assist in funding the installation of shelters to withstand these natural disasters. In my village there is one man that makes a living installing prefabricated fiberglass storm shelters. Normal preparations would include an intent to outlast the event and return to normalcy, and then there are those that prepare like the above individual.

While most of us like to spend time in the bush, and this is a wilderness oriented forum, we still spend the majority of our time in civilization, meaning that the majority of the emergencies we will face will be inside the realm of "modern problems" with technology at hand.

While my first aid kit will work if I am mauled by a wild animal, injured by my axe or knife or fall from a cliff, the chances I will use it to treat the victim of a vehicle crash on a crowded highway are much higher.

Much of our knowledge, and equipment, is usable in a multitude of circumstances.

[Wise Old Owl]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/bunker_zpsiwtwedcb.jpg

She placed it central to the back yard which explained the activity a few years back when she moved the worn out drain field over and further back. The circles to the left of the ditch digger are 8-10 foot piles of split wood. The Garden is further in the back and the chicken coup is under the trees and not in the picture... all she needs to do is complete the better fence.

Don't ask how I got this picture, No I don't have a drone.

Well That's all I have - I really haven't met her, I keep to myself and I am perfectly happy with my 6 month store room in the basement... Just thought I would share how others are doing it. I am not sure who she used for the build... but it was all put in place in less than two weeks.

[Wise Old Owl]

Hopefully I shan't offend, I am just really surprised at how serious American populous takes preparedness, a lot of people seem to have fall out shelters, and the alike.
I can understand in some areas where Natural disasters are prevalent. It just seems very foreign to me as we do not have any natural distastes such as hurricanes,typhoons, volcanoes,earth quakes, or nuclear fallout danger (until we actually implement nuclear energy) our dangers lie with-in a possible civil war due to protest action against our government due to service delivery/corruption/failed promises.

My interests lies in Wilderness survival, as I live in southern Africa, and spend Time outdoors camping and hiking etc, so for me having these skills are a great thing, as being a lost hiker can happen, or being kidnapped can happen, as hijacked and left alone in the middle of no-where does happen (in fact i have been hijacked)
and large parts of our country outside of suburbia is all bush..
I am just curious as to how often a scenario would take place that would warrant the need of such shelters?
forgive my ignorance


I see you are outside of the country, so I will attempt to best answer this question from my knowledge of the problem. If you come to visit you would never be able to guess that the USA is transforming into a third world nation. The national socialist press here is providing a positive spin to accept illegal immigration from South America and 1/4 of the population of Mexico now lives here. Recently S.A. Catholic priests visited west Philadelphia last year and saw the poverty first hand and said it was worse here than Guatemala in some places. There are very few to grocery stores in the Democratic city, and our location here is 25-35 miles west of the city. In the last ten years vagrancy, foot traffic, and illicit drugs has doubled in the suburbs. The war on drugs was lost, our 18-30 year old men & women cant get a job, stay home, live with the parents and smoke weed. Divorce among young people has exceeded 30%, and unemployed young African American men are well above 50% from the national census. Most people here in the USA are unaware that 95 Million people including myself are not working. I lost my job last month. The press won't talk about how bad it is, its a non-sequitor. For example, a few years after the current administration took office, the rampant poverty here in Philadelphia, and Camden changed. Many took to living under the highways and set up tent towns in NJ and PA. The last time that happened was when we had Hoover-ville's. Today they are called Obama-ville's, they are allowed to exist for a few years and quietly they are scuttled and moved to new locations or absorbed into sub housing.

More to come....

[Wise Old Owl]

As poverty rises in the city so does the need for subsidized housing and EBT food cards to be distributed. Liheap programs provide the dead broke heat and some electricity. So we are experiencing a shocking amount of Democratic subsidy being provided to everyone below middle class, including the working poor, and non working poor.
Housing, food, discounted cable, free cell phones, free medical, free just about everything... odd not free water. But for some, many are fleeing the city for the burbs and Montgomery County to the north is feeling the pressure as well as Delaware County.

Violent Crime is on the rise here, and the current situation is unsustainable. The Federal Prisons are providing early release and over 100,000 violent criminals are out this year due to Presidential Penmanship. Muslim Donte Brooks, aka Abdul Wahi was serving 15 years on weapon and drug violations and was released last year after serving 9 years. He fail to show up for his Probation and failed his drug tests. A year later he shot Police officer Dorman in the face with a stolen gun, here in Delaware County.


Those that graduate college and have good careers are completely blind to what I am describing as they live in nice quiet neighborhoods that I service.

I hope that answers your question...

[Rick]

I have been to Guatemala. Trust me. We are not worse than them.

Smaller shelters are fairly common here in the Midwest. I suspect further west as well. You only have to see one tornado coming at you to start digging a hole. The flip side of the post is it's her money. Imagine your surprise if something does happen and you find your self knocking on her door. Underground door that is.

[kyratshooter]

I know that if I had a storm shelter with access from my house I would use it three or four times each year. That is about the number of really strong storms that cross my land.

I stood in my back window and watched a x4 tornado touch down about 1/2 mile away back in March 2012. That one had skipped across IL, IN, most of north KY and into OH killing more than 20 people on its journey.

When I went outside the next morning it looked like a B52 had made a run across the country side. Pyres of smoke from burning buildings showed its path clearly.

Yep, I wish I had one, perhaps not as extensive as shown in the photos but a nice 10x10 block structure dug into the hill and roofed with concrete.

I have to agree with Rick on the poverty thing. We are in good shape if you have ever witnessed real hopeless mind crushing poverty with starving not just a possibility but a common occurrence.

And WOO, you have your crime figures mixed up with the 1970s, We were up 1.7% last year from two years of decline and we are still below the figures of 5 years ago, according to the FBI.

We are way below the figures from the 1970s-1980s for violent crime.

[madmax]

Kelly and I dug in under a weight bearing wall when a huge red oak came down on top of our small home during a hurricane. It scared the crap out of us. The roofers who came later were amazed at our little 1945 yellow pine home that gave the finger to the hurricane. Paid less than 30 grand on a VA loan. And we had to paint it before they approved us. My best buddy (Battalion Chief) showed up with the whole frickin' fire department to see if we were ok.

Am I blessed or what.

[M118LR]

Here in Florida they better equip that shelter with scuba tanks if they intend to inhabit it. Number one natural concern is flooding, and underground isn't the place to be during a flood natural or otherwise. So location trumps preparation when stuff hits the fan. (Any location where the stuff ain't hitting the fan wins. JMHO.)

[LowKey]

I guess your neighbor isn't a stealth prepper. LOL.
I'd love to have one of those, but the water table here is about 9 feet. IOW, just about as deep as my cellar floor.
I'd like what KYRat described. A concrete blockhouse built into the back hill with a heavily reinforce roof. We've had more tornado warnings in the past 5 years and one could come in handy.

[Rick]

My cousin put one in the ground on a shallow water table. They have wings and chains that keep the thing in the ground. I didn't see it during construction only his vague explanation afterwards. It's been 3 years and it hasn't popped up yet.

[Fixit]

There goes the neighborhood . Now everyone will want one for Christmas .

[LowKey]

While I suppose you could get one of those fiberglass jobbers, water has a serious way of wanting in to spaces where you don't want it.
Do a web search for all the shelters that not only popped out of the ground in the Oklahoma flooding, but the others that filled up with water or had their doors completely underwater as well.
I'd almost rather take my chances on the water coming down the hill over the top and around the shelter, since I'm more concerned about tornado than flooding. Plus it would make a handy root cellar/shed.
Always have a plausible ulterior motive for the nosy neighbors.

[Rick]

What that? Oh, yeah. We've been taking a lot of water in the recent rains so we're putting in a culvert to drain it. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[DSJohnson]

I would love to know what it looks like on the inside and how much it cost (Tax, tag, and title) Big cranes are not cheap....Dang I am impressed. They may use that for a storm shelter but I will bet a lot of money that was not the primary reason they/she bought it. Living in Oklahoma I have two cellars on my place and during the spring we use the one by the house pretty regular. It is a 10' X 10' cinderblock with a poured floor and a poured roof. It is about 55 years old now. It does make some water during the spring. It has a sump and I use a very small electric submersible pump to keep the water level down. Some springtimes when it has been very wet (but not in the last 10 years) it will fill the sump up (the sump is about the size of a deep 6 gallon bucket) and there will be water two or three inches deep on the floor. But usually I can pump it about once a week and keep it dry. We have a bed and a table and some chairs down there and two kerosene lanterns and one newer Coleman Propane lantern. We have spent a lot of nights in there over the last 30 years. I would not live in Oklahoma without access to a below ground storm shelter period.

[Rick]

DS - Gotta say something about ventilation with those lanterns. I know you know that.

[WalkingTree]

I feel like if I were to build something for any kind of post-collapse purposes (versus just a storm shelter), I would put a lot of effort into having multiple layers of waterproofing all around any underground sections, and lots of winging to grab onto the ground and keep it from popping up. If I were to do anything like that at all, it'd get real serious and expensive. Otherwise wouldn't bother.

Building something for an apocalypse isn't something I've made a hobby to think about a lot, but per my habit - as a fun exercise - I asked myself once how would I do it if I ever did. And what I came up with would be pretty darned involving and expensive. Even without it being some castle-house, which it isn't.

[Rick]

I would be sooooo ticked to go to all that expense and trouble only to find myself at ground zero.

Opening door and peeking out at incoming ICBM. "You have got to be kidding me. Seriously?"

I've always said a really bad day is opening your curtains to find a 747 a quarter of an inch from your window and almost on the ground.

[kyratshooter]

Seems some of us view these things as emergency weather shelters and others as TEOTWAWKI bunkers.

I guess it all depends on how many times you have been through a tornado and how many times you have been through a nuclear war.

[hunter63]

....I guess I'm more in the tornado, flood, mud slide category....than nuke war and zombie hordes...
Always wanted to build an "Ag building with in the side of the hill,.. with a secure room inside out of sight
Concrete walls, ceiling and heavy door/vents in side of the hill.... against the bank.

For storms, easier to secure, and easier to keep above freezing year around... think food storage with live in shelter amities.

[WalkingTree]

I would be sooooo ticked to go to all that expense and trouble only to find myself at ground zero.
That would soooo suck.

[hunter63]

That would soooo suck.

....and you would never know that it even sucked.....with out time for a "Awww Ship!
You would back as part of the cosmos......

[Desert Rat!]

indoor shooting range and bowling I'm guessing:gun_bandana:

[DSJohnson]

DS - Gotta say something about ventilation with those lanterns. I know you know that.

Aye sir yes sir. I sure understand your "need" to comment. Most all the cellars I have ever been in/used or for that matter even seen have vents on them and most all of them may have two vents. Plus unless it is raining hard enough to float the Ark the door is open so you can see if the storm is actually close. Still it is a very valid warning and real concern...Both CO and low O2 issues I would think, in the right combination/situation would be fatal.

Nowadays what you see around here are the "pre-cast" two piece cellars. Much more affordable that digging a hole and pouring a cellar and around here it can be ready to use in less than 4 hours from the time they show up to install it. Above ground so called "Safe Rooms" are gaining some popularity but I would never have one for a tornado shelter.

[DSJohnson]

I, personally, can not create a scenario where me having a bunker is reasonable/plausible/worthwhile.

[Antonyraison]

I see you are outside of the country, so I will attempt to best answer this question from my knowledge of the problem. If you come to visit you would never be able to guess that the USA is transforming into a third world nation. The national socialist press here is providing a positive spin to accept illegal immigration from South America and 1/4 of the population of Mexico now lives here. Recently S.A. Catholic priests visited west Philadelphia last year and saw the poverty first hand and said it was worse here than Guatemala in some places. There are very few to grocery stores in the Democratic city, and our location here is 25-35 miles west of the city. In the last ten years vagrancy, foot traffic, and illicit drugs has doubled in the suburbs. The war on drugs was lost, our 18-30 year old men & women cant get a job, stay home, live with the parents and smoke weed. Divorce among young people has exceeded 30%, and unemployed young African American men are well above 50% from the national census. Most people here in the USA are unaware that 95 Million people including myself are not working. I lost my job last month. The press won't talk about how bad it is, its a non-sequitor. For example, a few years after the current administration took office, the rampant poverty here in Philadelphia, and Camden changed. Many took to living under the highways and set up tent towns in NJ and PA. The last time that happened was when we had Hoover-ville's. Today they are called Obama-ville's, they are allowed to exist for a few years and quietly they are scuttled and moved to new locations or absorbed into sub housing.

More to come....

Yes, I am from out of the country, Southern africa, 3rd world country is something i know well, our country is on the brink of civil war.
we have less than 40% employment rate, we have people with degrees with out jobs, we have a drought that has lasted over a year, we have water restriction, our currency is worth less, our government is pretty worthless. Drugs, violence and theft is rampant, you can't talk to any south african that has not been involved (as a victim) of violent crime (myself I been hijacked , mugged and tied up in a house robbery for 2 hours straight) we know nothing but struggling to make a buck.

[Antonyraison]

The persons that go to this much trouble are usually of the opinion that it only takes one incident to kill you, and just because it has never happened before does not mean it will not happen tomorrow.

Almost every part of the U.S. has some predisposition for natural disaster; earthquake, bushfire, flood, tornado, blizzard, nuke accident. Many local and regional governments will assist in funding the installation of shelters to withstand these natural disasters. In my village there is one man that makes a living installing prefabricated fiberglass storm shelters. Normal preparations would include an intent to outlast the event and return to normalcy, and then there are those that prepare like the above individual.

While most of us like to spend time in the bush, and this is a wilderness oriented forum, we still spend the majority of our time in civilization, meaning that the majority of the emergencies we will face will be inside the realm of "modern problems" with technology at hand.

While my first aid kit will work if I am mauled by a wild animal, injured by my axe or knife or fall from a cliff, the chances I will use it to treat the victim of a vehicle crash on a crowded highway are much higher.

Much of our knowledge, and equipment, is usable in a multitude of circumstances.


Makes sense, I suppose it depends on the like;l;y hood of the threat, had we had different weather systems or on fault lines it may be different here.

[Antonyraison]

As poverty rises in the city so does the need for subsidized housing and EBT food cards to be distributed. Liheap programs provide the dead broke heat and some electricity. So we are experiencing a shocking amount of Democratic subsidy being provided to everyone below middle class, including the working poor, and non working poor.
Housing, food, discounted cable, free cell phones, free medical, free just about everything... odd not free water. But for some, many are fleeing the city for the burbs and Montgomery County to the north is feeling the pressure as well as Delaware County.

Violent Crime is on the rise here, and the current situation is unsustainable. The Federal Prisons are providing early release and over 100,000 violent criminals are out this year due to Presidential Penmanship. Muslim Donte Brooks, aka Abdul Wahi was serving 15 years on weapon and drug violations and was released last year after serving 9 years. He fail to show up for his Probation and failed his drug tests. A year later he shot Police officer Dorman in the face with a stolen gun, here in Delaware County.


Those that graduate college and have good careers are completely blind to what I am describing as they live in nice quiet neighborhoods that I service.

I hope that answers your question...

Again something we are familiar with.
Myself I would be termed middle class in my country, I am blessed.
but a lot of our population is waaay bellow the bread line. they live in informal settlements surrounding metropolitans, the government has initiatives for subsidized housing/free housing for the poorest.. however the government is very corrupt and steal most of the tax payers money and spend it o n lavish housing and cars. Some people if they lucky enough to get such a house (it's usally a terrible small dwelling) would then sell it, and try get back on the list, our situation is very dire.
with Land reform, and redistribution, we have had for years upset people taking the law into their own hands, invading farms and killing farmers to take lands by force.

[Antonyraison]

I know that if I had a storm shelter with access from my house I would use it three or four times each year. That is about the number of really strong storms that cross my land.

I stood in my back window and watched a x4 tornado touch down about 1/2 mile away back in March 2012. That one had skipped across IL, IN, most of north KY and into OH killing more than 20 people on its journey.

When I went outside the next morning it looked like a B52 had made a run across the country side. Pyres of smoke from burning buildings showed its path clearly.

Yep, I wish I had one, perhaps not as extensive as shown in the photos but a nice 10x10 block structure dug into the hill and roofed with concrete.

I have to agree with Rick on the poverty thing. We are in good shape if you have ever witnessed real hopeless mind crushing poverty with starving not just a possibility but a common occurrence.

And WOO, you have your crime figures mixed up with the 1970s, We were up 1.7% last year from two years of decline and we are still below the figures of 5 years ago, according to the FBI.

We are way below the figures from the 1970s-1980s for violent crime.

Ah, I see.. so I guess that would really depend on where you are, if you have those storms frequent enough its totally warranted..
as for the poverty and crime, this I do know of, if our systems where to fail a stock of surplus goods and a secure location would only hold a small family for a short period... it wouldn't be something pref-able, as such a situation would leave us in a civil war, we would be trapped, our best bet would be to flee to a safer area. Quickly quietly and in advance o f knowing it was going to happen

[Antonyraison]

I have been to Guatemala. Trust me. We are not worse than them.

Smaller shelters are fairly common here in the Midwest. I suspect further west as well. You only have to see one tornado coming at you to start digging a hole. The flip side of the post is it's her money. Imagine your surprise if something does happen and you find your self knocking on her door. Underground door that is.

Ahhh so really depends on area.

[Antonyraison]

Kelly and I dug in under a weight bearing wall when a huge red oak came down on top of our small home during a hurricane. It scared the crap out of us. The roofers who came later were amazed at our little 1945 yellow pine home that gave the finger to the hurricane. Paid less than 30 grand on a VA loan. And we had to paint it before they approved us. My best buddy (Battalion Chief) showed up with the whole frickin' fire department to see if we were ok.

Am I blessed or what.

wow lucky, all our homes here rarely are more than a single story, and all brick. thankfully no hurricanes...

[M118LR]

I, personally, can not create a scenario where me having a bunker is reasonable/plausible/worthwhile.

Bunkers are pretty useful during tornadoes and hurricanes (provided your not engulfed by the surge of water) DSJohnson. If you built a springhouse to bunker like strength it would be multipurpose plausible/reasonable and worthwhile. JMHO.

[kyratshooter]

Also depends on ones' definition of a "bunker".

[DSJohnson]

M118LR, I guess this may be a semantics issue. I see no need for a "fortified fighting position" I do have, as I noted in my earlier post, two below ground "storm shelters" that I take great comfort and solace in having and using as the need arises.
I am NOT a TEOTWAWKI kind of "prepper" at all.

I come here, and really enjoy and benefit from this forum for tips and how to pack a lighter camping kit or what new lightweight tarp is a good buy and also what kind of "emergency/just in case" fire starting methods/kits folks are actually using in the woods.

My redhead and I have "survived" Typhoons, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Wild Fires, and Ice Storms and not once in our "after action" critiques have we ever identified the need/or wished we had access to, or a need for a bunker.

There is this concept that I personally subscribe to about plausibility vs probability and based on my assessment the need to spend time, effort and resources on a viable storm shelter is much higher than on a bunker. If I found the "perfect piece of dirt" and it already had a real, live, working bunker on it that might be great. Am I ever gonna build anything to "bunker" specs...not in my foreseeable future. I am however, just about to start work on a 12 to 15 thousand dollars in-ground storm cellar that will meet my family's changing needs. I never thought that we would have a need to build another cellar but we do and so here we go......

[kyratshooter]

Does Oklahoma assist you with grants for storm shelters DS?

I remember that Arkansas did for a long time.

[M118LR]

Seeing as how I'm not very talented, I'll give a narrative of the 4 pictures thumb nailed.

As to the fortified fighting position. (see picture 1) The US Government has supplied mine. A short swim with the TAC-50 and I can cover the waterway while the rest of the family makes a seaward exit. My "TEOTWAWKI" plans are for complete evacuation, I've had enough of the mans inhumanity to men. No way I'm allowing any of my loved ones to have to endure the ravages of battle.

(pictures 2,3,4) Are of old-style springhouses, which are sort of like storm shelters only they have incoming water which feeds into a settling tank that feeds a trough and allows you to keep containers (like milk-cans etc) cool. The ones pictured are not up to storm shelter strength, but it's the concept I'm attempting to explain. Storm shelter's/root cellars/ basements are useful in tornado country, I got it. Why not modify the storm shelter to also be a spring-house/root cellar for potable storage/ free refrigeration?

[madmax]

That Coquina rock absorbed cannon balls. I guess it would do in a pinch. The spring houses seem much more my style with with fresh water. But mine's in western NC.

Have you heard reference to the underwater freshwater spring about a mile east of Flagler pier. Rumored to have been a replenishment stop for Spanish galleons.

[M118LR]

That Coquina rock absorbed cannon balls. I guess it would do in a pinch. The spring houses seem much more my style with with fresh water. But mine's in western NC.

Have you heard reference to the underwater freshwater spring about a mile east of Flagler pier. Rumored to have been a replenishment stop for Spanish galleons.

Found a scuba reference: http://www.seaxp.com/daily-dive-trip/fresh-water-in-the-atlantic-ocean/

Is this what you speak of? http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/

[madmax]

LOL. No. East. I will try and dig up some stuff on it. If it's true it's pretty interesting.

[DSJohnson]

Does Oklahoma assist you with grants for storm shelters DS?

I remember that Arkansas did for a long time.

the state was a couple of years ago Kyrats. I need to check on that......

[Rick]

The tube? Oh, well, that. (looking around) Launch tube. Built my own ICBM. Inter County Boom Maker. You think the 4th of July was special this year? Just wait to you see what 2017 has in store. Watch where you're steppin' there. That's a bit of symtex. Wrong step and BOOM! (chuckle).

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[Wise Old Owl]

I am not sure why folks here feel that my statistics are from the 70's and I am quoting material from 2010 on... It wasn't anything anyone could possibly argue about. I am talking first hand experience in the tri-state area. NJ, PA, DE. If I start quoting stuff and posting direct crap from source material - I would quickly be labeled a know it all instead of Woo. Not my intent, How many of you have access to Slum-lord properties, State correctional facilities, Housing Authorities, Crime ridden hoods, etc, America is in a damn decline, if you don't see that for what it is over the last 8 years I cant help you. I am not here to change your mind... I see the crap and I can separate the bias and stupidity that the press provides over and over again.... 2 of my friends had their trucks stolen in my neighborhood in the last two weeks from their driveways. This isn't personal - just wake up and do the diligence and discover whats going on.

CAMDEN (http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/04/25/camden-crime-rate-increase/83511898/)
CHESTER (http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chester-Pennsylvania.html)
OUT OF WORK (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94708000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-drops)

Obama Video various source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMeEi2aCfrc)

I have been to Lakewood on two occations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCrLW_8yPDE)
OBAMAVILLE (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/predictions_5.html)
Obamaville2 (http://www.survivaljoe.net/great-depression-revisited-obamavilles/)

[Wise Old Owl]

back to keeping this on track..

Need-To-Know Basis

A bunker is valuable not only because it shelters you from nuclear radiation and other dangers, but also because nobody knows about it. One of the biggest mistakes city dwellers make is trying to build a bunker in their back yards. Undoubtedly, the forklifts and other machinery used to build your bunker is going to attract a lot of attention and prompt neighbors to start asking questions. It may also violate city codes, in which case, you’ll have assessors at your door in no time.

The location you choose for your bunker should be separate from your urban home and away from metro areas (or better yet move to a rural area like the Redoubt of The East). There are countless websites, particularly Landwatch.com and Loopnet.com, where you can find a cheap acre or five of land somewhere within a few hours drive from your urban home.

The only people who should know it exists are those who will take shelter with you when the SHTF.

[hunter63]

This is not new stuff......
If you have a chance....check out "The Shelter" a Twilight Zone episode

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734676/

[Rick]

The U.S. unemployment rate is at 5.9%. That's the lowest it has been in years. I urge you to go to someplace like Guatemala or Colombia and witness first hand the squalor and filth many of those people live in. Houses that are nothing more than sticks with scavenged tarps or rusty tin, dirt floors, no facilities of any kind. The big problem in the U.S. is our distinct lack of mental health assistance to those that are on the streets. Many, not all, are there because of mental health issues.

I would also have to ask what you are doing to help fix the problem in your neighborhood (rhetorical question)? Do you help feed those folks? Do you assist with shelter? You can donate and/or spend time helping those less fortunate. If we all do that then there is less and less of a problem.

[M118LR]

back to keeping this on track..

Need-To-Know Basis

A bunker is valuable not only because it shelters you from nuclear radiation and other dangers, but also because nobody knows about it. One of the biggest mistakes city dwellers make is trying to build a bunker in their back yards. Undoubtedly, the forklifts and other machinery used to build your bunker is going to attract a lot of attention and prompt neighbors to start asking questions. It may also violate city codes, in which case, you’ll have assessors at your door in no time.

The location you choose for your bunker should be separate from your urban home and away from metro areas (or better yet move to a rural area like the Redoubt of The East). There are countless websites, particularly Landwatch.com and Loopnet.com, where you can find a cheap acre or five of land somewhere within a few hours drive from your urban home.

The only people who should know it exists are those who will take shelter with you when the SHTF.

I don't remember it taking an ICBM an hour or two to reach it's target, so I'm going to wave the NONSENSE flag on your 1950's Bunker philosophy. Y'all shall have at best moments of warning, if it ain't in the backyard, Y'all didn't make it. Just a little realism. JMHO.

[kyratshooter]

All through the Cold War era the warning time was 15 minutes.

That has not changed because the travel time from launch to detonation is still the same.

Has everyone forgotten the term "Mutually assured destruction"? It was the term that kept nuclear war from happening for those years between 1950 and 1990.

For some reason people of today think they are exempt from that concept if they have two cans of pork and beans and a road culvert to hide in.

[madmax]

Wait... crawling under my desk and covering my head won't work?

They said that's what to do.

[hunter63]

" Go to basement or south west corner of the building... remove all sharp obiect's from pockets.....sit down, put head between your knees"
Now you are in the position to kiss youazz goodbye.......

[Wise Old Owl]

The U.S. unemployment rate is at 5.9%. That's the lowest it has been in years. I urge you to go to someplace like Guatemala or Colombia and witness first hand the squalor and filth many of those people live in. Houses that are nothing more than sticks with scavenged tarps or rusty tin, dirt floors, no facilities of any kind. The big problem in the U.S. is our distinct lack of mental health assistance to those that are on the streets. Many, not all, are there because of mental health issues.

I would also have to ask what you are doing to help fix the problem in your neighborhood (rhetorical question)? Do you help feed those folks? Do you assist with shelter? You can donate and/or spend time helping those less fortunate. If we all do that then there is less and less of a problem.

Rick we know each other very well. yes mental health is an issue. but the statistic you are referring to is horribly slanted and miss reported by the press. I have been thru the process twice this year with the unemployment office. odd data from USA TODAY (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2013/08/31/presidential-stock-market-scoreboard-reagan-obama/2750227/) During the current administration the jobs that were created were part time jobs due to the Heath Care Crisis legislation. SO when you hear dismal reporting of 100, thousand new jobs this year - they are sucking jobs that are part time and 10 dollars an hour. Example Home Despot. Back when Reagan was around it was 700,000 Full time jobs PER MONTH. The same statistical analysis you are quoting does not count people that could not find a job after 6 months and are no longer counted. As I hung out with my friends tonight - one of my buds discussed another layoff of his wife after many years and she lost her full time job of 70k.

As for your final sentences in that post. I help the unfortunate. I have cleaned up their homes and removed all the Bedbugs, I have removed all the Roach infestations, Knocked out all the mice and rats running threw the rental properties. Helped those kids go to daycare not covered in bugs. I have done a few services for free. I have been helping both slum lords and several housing authorities, not to mention cleaning mentally handicapped facilities, Remed, Holcolm, and others. I deal with flea infested properties that have no business in renting.

I have been doing this for years and now I am unemployed. By the way I have been to South America a few times-I do know what I am discussing. Don't take this personally, the USA has hit the proverbial fan.

Here is an example of the press lying to us (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-reagan-obama-showdown-unemployment).

[Wise Old Owl]

I kind of thought we were beyond duck and cover... Great for tornado's and I have been thru a few. (lived in Chicago for 4 years) Now its more about preservation of family when things go wrong.

[M118LR]

I guess a few others consider it irrelevant if who knows where your bunker is, if you can't make it there in time Wise Old Owl. JMHO.

[Wise Old Owl]

My basement is my bunker. It has a flush toilet, 6 months of food, way too much rice & pasta and wood stove that cooks. I keep a large quantity of Cast Iron pots, tents, camping gear and bug out gear. Gallons of white gas, and other things to cook with....

[M118LR]

SHHH! Your not supposed to tell me!
I forgot, basements are called indoor swimming pools here in Florida.
Glad you are prepared Wise Old Owl, hope it never comes to needing it. Godspeed.

[Rick]

Woo - Do you think if the national unemployment rate were a lie that all of the watchdog groups that are out there would not be calling foul? I'm not sure why you think the press has anything to do with that. The government reports the numbers. It's pretty straight forward. There's really nothing to slant.

[Wise Old Owl]

I have met people that are 18-30 years old that are not working, but could work, and not looking after two years. The press decides what to report or not to report. The press is covering for the current president's legacy.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
*Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the government uses the number of people collecting unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under state or federal government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.

Other people think that the government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long to produce the data. In addition, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker contact them every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.

[madmax]

I sift through the news most days reading the same story from different sources to try and effectively read between the lines.

I don't believe anything any of them say exclusively on any given day.

[Rick]

I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make. The press relays what the government reports. If you go further down that same document you will see how the survey is performed. If folks don't want to work that's on them.

[kyratshooter]

It is all a numbers game with different people counting different groups as "unemployed".

There are several media personalities that claim 97,000,000 have left the work force and not returned since 2008. That is nearly 1/3 of our population, man, woman and child and adds up to nearly the entire work force! The numbers just do not work! If you discount the people under 18 and those over 65 it does not leave but about 97,000,000 as the total of adults working.

They are including students returning to school after summer work, people leaving the work arena to care for families, everyone of working age that has died, and also the new definition of "retired" which apparently means dying at the office on your 80th birthday so you don't have to go back tomorrow. They are all being counted as "unemployed".

I had a real shock after I retired and found that the bean counters in various offices wanted to list me as unemployed rather than retired! It seems the new trend is that people do not expect to retire and view those that do with some degree of contempt.

[hunter63]

Note here:....retired is OK for loan and other applications......unemployed not so much.

I guess I'm missing the point of all of this as well.
Unless you are counting being a prepper for unemployment as a bunker of sorts?

[Rick]

Or putting that tube in to store all the government benefits you can draw. Hmm. Gonna need a bigger tube.

[Wise Old Owl]

I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make. The press relays what the government reports. If you go further down that same document you will see how the survey is performed. If folks don't want to work that's on them.

Ok Rick CLICK HERE (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/07/unemployment-rises-five-percent-september/)Well I often think I am clear and later find out I wasn't, that's on me. My point is that socialism was the new progressive and nobody can find a full time job after 8 years. The press doesn't relay anything other than feel good values and doesn't report real news anymore. Hense Bernie won the debate and later we found out the folks in charge paid him off to go away and gave it to the current person. Right now there are hard times for a majority of Americans, I can share with you that most are unaware of this. I don't want to loose my place here, so after this I will attempt to hold this back...

Come Monday I am launching a solution so I do not have put my family on the dole. A little more to follow.

[Rick]

That is nothing more than spotlighting. Breitbart chose to spotlight the negative. That's hardly a "feel good value". They could just have easily spotlighted the 156K jobs that were created like Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-07/payrolls-in-u-s-rise-156-000-as-more-americans-go-back-to-work

It just depends on which they chose to sensationalize. Which they feel will sell more add copy. In 2010 the unemployment rate sat at 10%. Today it is 5%. But remember that the rise to 5% is only a .1% rise over the previous month of 4.9%. So, all in all, pretty stable. But much better than 2010.

There has never been a time when news agencies did not try to influence the people. Do you think the newspapers that Gannet, Hearst or Bennet owned were news neutral? They did anything and everything to sell papers including promoting those things they personally held dearest and avoiding those things they personally detested. That's just human nature and a little thing called power.

[Wise Old Owl]

Laurence Summers ran Obama’s National Economics Council in 2009 and 2010. He was Treasury Secretary for President Bill Clinton, president of Harvard University from 2001 to 2006, and teaches there now.

In his Sept. 26 article in The Financial Times, Summers wrote;

"Job destruction caused by technology is not a futuristic concern … everything we hear and see regarding technology suggests the rate of job destruction will pick up. Think of the elimination of drivers, and of those who work behind cash registers. Second, the gains in average education and health of the workforce over the last 50 years are unlikely to be repeated. Third, to the extent that non-work is contagious, it is likely to grow exponentially rather than at a linear rate. Fourth, declining marriage rates are likely to raise rates of labour force withdrawal given that non-work is much more common for unmarried than married men.

What will this mean for the American family? … For alienation and support for toxic populism? These are vital questions. Even more vital is the question of what is to be done. These questions should preoccupy social science researchers."

Again the Jobs report fails to report the destruction by Democratic legislation the loss of full time jobs and the rise of part time jobs, the report fails to report those that are unable to find work after 6 months. The report fails to mention the millions of people that are on Workman's Comp. The report fails to report those that give up looking for work. For those that could work 18-65 that are not working is now close to 95 million, out of a population of 308,745,538 million in the USA. That is not even close to 5% That is more than 1/3 of the population not earning a dime and not paying taxes. That is more people on the dole.

We are now into 52 years of LJB's war on poverty and instead of 19% back then, the USA has grown poverty, at what point do start to see more anarchy? For the first time in my lifetime, I am now seeing young men choose not to work, to stay home and collect EBT. We are now subsidizing the very people that were to pay into our S.S.I. The system is broken my friends.

Here is another thought... This is never reported. Philadelphia now has over 150 gangs fighting for control of the drugs in tri-state area... over the last ten years of watching the local news they do not - I repeat do not report on drive by shootings or gang related murders in the city. These murders are now occurring outside the city at an alarming rate. There isn't a spotlight on that, Not even a LED flashlight.

So again I ask you as a group that are "prepping" for survival - "What's your plan when shft hits the fan?"

[Rick]

You need to go back and read your own link. The jobless rate includes ALL of those people. Once you learn how the rate is acquired you will understand that your numbers are not correct. Do you think there is some massive conspiracy to hide the fact that 1/3 of the work force is out of work? That every watchdog group, politician and media mogul is in on the scam? By your calculations, everyone was out of work at the height of the recession.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


Census Bureau employees contact the 60,000 eligible sample households and ask about the labor force activities (jobholding and job seeking) or non-labor force status of the members of these households during the survey reference week (usually the week that includes the 12th of the month). These are live interviews conducted either in person or over the phone. During the first interview of a household, the Census Bureau interviewer prepares a roster of the household members, including key personal characteristics such as age, sex, race, Hispanic ethnicity, marital status, educational attainment, veteran status, and so on. The information is collected using a computerized questionnaire.
Each person is classified according to their activities during the reference week. Then, the survey responses are "weighted," or adjusted to independent population estimates from the Census Bureau. The weighting takes into account the age, sex, race, Hispanic ethnicity, and state of residence of the person, so that these characteristics are reflected in the proper proportions in the final estimates.
A sample is not a total count, and the survey may not produce the same results that would be obtained from interviewing the entire population. But the chances are 90 out of 100 that the monthly estimate of unemployment from the sample is within about 300,000 of the figure obtainable from a total census. Relative to total unemployment—which ranged between about 7 and 15 million over the past decade—the possible error resulting from sampling is not large enough to distort the total unemployment picture.

Whether they are employed in full or part time work, those unable to find work after 6 months, those on workman's comp (which is a work related injury) and those given up looking for work are all included in the surveys.

Maybe no one reports on drive by shooting where you live but they sure do here. Or, maybe you are watching the wrong channel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=drive+by+shooting+in+philadelphia&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS587US587&oq=drive+by+shootings+in+phil&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.8271j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Gangs are nothing new. They've been a part of this country since it's founding. Those that were part of gangs in their native countries brought the concept along with them when they immigrated and they are still doing it.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/content/documents/history-of-street-gangs.pdf

[cylon]

Wow! That's a big *** shelter.....

In live in remote Western Australia ans must confess to having thought about a bush fire shelter, but the hassle and drama involved in installing one just makes me switch off. Think i'll just stick for running away quickly... ;)

[Wise Old Owl]

Hi Rick I just checked back and found that last post. I don't understand why it is hard to fathom that 95 million people are not working that are 18-60+ that could work. I have multiple sources both inside and outside the country. Furthermore there was prediction that corporations would not hire full time employees when the unavoidable care act was implemented. The USA now has the largest part-time population of workers on the planet in all of history. IF your main source of news is written or on a video and they decide to hold back the truth, please do not hold it as gospel.

8 years ago - everyone on a Home Depot floor was full time... not now. My son worked there for a year and a half almost two years before they promoted him to full time.


I still think you miss the point, when there is a drive by shooting in Phila - done by gang related violence - it gets blacked-out news by reporters, 8 years or more ago the same reporters reported the outrage of "a murder a day in the city" When was the last time you heard about a drive by shooting?


& by the way I am back to work next week I somehow reached back to people that I worked with about 6 years ago and they found a position for me.... I am not sure how it will work out...

Thanks


Woo

[hunter63]

WOO.....Good luck on the job...Pullin' for ya.....

[Rick]

Took you a month and a half to find a source to support you? Wow. I mean, Woo.

[hayshaker]

i think it's sad to waste all that money when you got people snapping photos from a drone
and putting them on the internet. the neighbors all the while watching then there's the gossip
damm sure the county as govt now knows as well, i'm reminded of the twilight episode called (the bunker)
yeah buddy no OPSEC here.
poopie hits the fan the whole damm neighborhood will be pounding the doors down.

[kyratshooter]

After long consideration I have decided I will allow this person to spend their own money any way they wish on anything they wish.

My stamp of approval is plastered on anything legal they do with their own hard earned funds even if I would not do it the same way or on the same thing.

Perhaps the man of the house was deprived of his man cave when the basement was turned into a playroom for the kids and this is their way of adding to the usable room of the house.

If I had the money I would have one just like it and the he!! with the neighbors, and that is probably what they are thinking.

[crashdive123]

String a couple of them end to end and make a subterranean shooting range.

[hunter63]

String a couple of them end to end and make a subterranean shooting range.

Those are loud,.. real loud......local range had a set up like that.

[Rick]

I'll bet the flash is blinding too.

[Wise Old Owl]

I cant wait for the termites to go to town on those enormous 10 foot woodpiles.

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