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ThayHau
07-26-2016, 06:06 AM
TL;DR
I would like someone as a helpful neighbor, who can teach me primitive survival and clothing techniques in the months before winter, and help me to survive through two or three winters after that. I'm not able to pay anyone anything, all of the money I have is for getting to where I need to be and spare foodstuffs.
Any help or a point in the right direction is much appreciated!
Wondering if anyone is or knows someone who homesteads or bushcamps in the arctic, preferably in Canada or Europe, and can help me out with several things:
*How to survive, long-term, in the worst of winter conditions
*How to skin, tan, and sew seal and deer leather into waterproof survival clothing (Seal preferable since I need non synthetic waterproof material, however, if you know of a natural way to waterproof deerskin then that is also 100% acceptable)
*How to live off the land with minimal loss to animal life. If this is not possible, a teacher who highly respects animals and their importance to our ecosystem and not someone who's of the "Everything that's not a person is up for grabs" mindset.
*Someone who can communicate and understand that I have only camped for about 2 weeks at the longest, and never in bushcraft style, but if things are explained to me and I can functionally do it with my hands I will learn. Basically, someone who understands and can teach patience (I am very impatient when it comes to understanding things. I won't stop bothering someone until I know I can do it one handed (both handed) and blindfolded)
I don't have a lot of money. I'm not expecting this to be easy. I need someone who will teach, and not just preach. Someone who can leave me to my own devicces for the most part, but is easily accesible and willing to discuss something if I'm having issues.
I need my father to know that no matter what, in any situation, I will be okay. I will never go hungry, and I will never be without shelter, fire, and food if I absolutely need it. I need to do this for all the people that said that I couldn't, and that My Side of the Mountain was nothing more that a childrens' story that I could never aspire to.
I know there are simpler ways to start, to build up to Arctic survival. But that's not how I work. I can't dip my toes in and say "Ehhhhhhhhhhh, mayyyyyyybe in the next ten years......?" I've had twenty years of that already, and I'm ready to just do it.
You want all that in the next few months? Hmmm. Read this:
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?6837-What-Do-I-Need-To-Survive-in-the-Wild
Antonyraison
07-26-2016, 08:04 AM
That's quiet the tall order, and throwing yourself in the deep end.
I have never tried my hand at arctic survival..
but just some word of advise, perhaps find a wilderness survival school? I don't know what area your in?
also you may want to try your hand at a few days of survival/bush craft type camping..
as you really need to test any skills and tools learnt in a controlled environment before having to rely on it in the real life.
Antonyraison
07-26-2016, 08:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyc81tIooZg
have a look at this, heheh
Wildthang
07-26-2016, 09:09 AM
Arctic survival is the most difficult kind of survival that anybody can try. In that environment their is very little food and most of what you get your going to have to kill something. Why anybody would want to live in the far north arctic is beyond me!
Just get your license and become an ICE ROAD TRUCKER..........lol
crashdive123
07-26-2016, 09:56 AM
Good luck with that.
ronjnk
07-26-2016, 11:30 AM
Thayhau... I admire your gumption. The last chapter of an adventure book was written for you and like minded souls. The last chapter of the book is titled "Is the wilderness for you?" That chapter is dedicated to the necessary items and skill sets needed for anyone contemplating running off to the wilderness. It is a reality check of sorts and although it doesn't discourage heading to the unknown, it strongly suggests preparing well in advance before actually heading to the bush.
It's good you are inquiring on a knowledge base like this forum. As you admit yourself, you have a lot to learn with little experience. I noticed you asked about seal and deer tanning. Unless you meant Caribou (reindeer), there are no typical deer that you are likely familiar with in the far north.
I have no idea of your game plan and what help and resources you will have available on this endeavor. I would pin down the area you want to move to and then learn everything you can about the area. There is no better teacher than a local person in the area. Learn survival basics. Save for proper clothing. Good outerwear and boots. I would suggest doing it in steps. There are plenty of places in the US and Canada where you can get a good dose of bitter cold and snow this winter and practice your techniques and still be handy to a warm building if need be.
I understand the strong desire for adventure and wanting to push the envelope as much as any one on this forum, but there's a place for prudence. As much experience as I have homesteading, wilderness and bush camps, I would be out of my element in the high arctic, frozen tundra, seal territory. If I was heading to that country, I'd be boning up on everything I've suggested to you myself. We all have our comfort zone and that comfort zone is determined by our knowledge and experience. Good luck!
hunter63
07-26-2016, 11:37 AM
Good luck with your adventure....
kyratshooter
07-26-2016, 01:24 PM
No intro and he didn't even buy us dinner before ....!
Well, good luck with that!
I'm thinkin'.......
https://38.media.tumblr.com/0d6c59d194215abdfee52a479cee0a71/tumblr_inline_nejlovlS1s1t3vsls.jpg
WalkingTree
07-26-2016, 08:04 PM
Man, you have a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Too much to know, not hardly knowing anything to start with, and in one of the worst places you could be. Re-think things, man, because ricks pic in his last post isn't a joke.
ronjnk
07-26-2016, 08:32 PM
I'm thinking with a case of 6,000,000 BTU hot sauce, a person might have a chance at preventing that.
hunter63
07-26-2016, 09:04 PM
That was the other gamer guy......LOL
ronjnk
07-26-2016, 09:29 PM
Yeah I know, I like to combine things to keep it interesting. :)
hunter63
07-26-2016, 10:23 PM
Yeah I know, I like to combine things to keep it interesting. :)
What I find interesting is the thinking that goes into posts like the OP........???????
tundrabadger
07-26-2016, 10:54 PM
To survive the worst winter conditions....endeavor to be inside. Failing that, see Rick's picture. You think you know real cold, but you don't. Real cold is when exposed skin freezes in under a minute.
To make waterproof boots out of sealskin, you take the sealskin, right? And trade it for some freaking gumboots. I've worn theoretically waterproof sealskin kamiks. They are okay. Know what's better? Pair of gumboots. But sealskin kamiks rock in winter. Seal meat's pretty good if you cook it right. or don't cook it at all and slice it real thin, though under those circumstances you really know you've been eating it.
Living off the land with minimal loss of animal life is actually impossible. Not figuratively impossible, not inconvenient. Impossible. Tundra doesn't grow enough plants that are fit to eat in enough quanitities. Caribou can live on lichen and grass, you can't. You can however live on caribou, and cairbou is delicious. I have a killer recipe for caribou curry. Or slice it real thin and eat it raw.
OP, if you're actually reading this...look, do you have a trade? A profession? They always need people with skills in nunavut, pay's pretty good, and if you stick it out you can build a good life for yourself. Even in the biggest city, you're never more than a half hour walk from tundra that looks like no human has ever walked on it before, and it's more beautiful than you can imagine. You wouldn't be homesteading, but you could hunt or fish in your spare time (You ever have arctic char? It's what trout wants to be when it grows up. Don't throw out the head. Best part), there's good camping or hiking, and if you play your cards right you could have work you can take pride in too. Conversely, if you try to go it alone living on the tundra, you will not be alright. Somebody will have to go out and rescue you.
hunter63
07-26-2016, 11:05 PM
Nice TB....thank you........
Note to self....anything to eat that I'm not sure if I like it or not.....and if I hungry enough....slice really thin.....
or as the saying goes...."serve with fava beans and a nice red".....
tundrabadger
07-26-2016, 11:23 PM
hey, have you ever tried to eat a thick slice of raw seal? It isn't easy. Plus if you're cutting pieces off a frozen seal, thin is easier.
hunter63
07-27-2016, 12:03 AM
hey, have you ever tried to eat a thick slice of raw seal? It isn't easy. Plus if you're cutting pieces off a frozen seal, thin is easier.
Nope....not many around Wisconsin....they get weird at the zoo when you start blasting away.....
Walmart is getting use to it in the poultry aisle, during turkey season......
What's the "Best Seal Gun?'
1stimestar
07-27-2016, 12:43 AM
Soooo you want someone to interrupt THEIR winter preparations in order to teach you things that they have spent their whole lives learning. You don't want to make it worth their time in any type of payment. You want them to babysit you for several years....?
Yea, good luck with that.
1stimestar
07-27-2016, 12:44 AM
You can't hunt seal unless you are an Alaska Native.
hunter63
07-27-2016, 12:55 AM
This is survival....you can do anything you want.......
At least in your head.
crashdive123
07-27-2016, 04:24 AM
Instead of ROTTW we now have another WSF first..............ROTTA.
kyratshooter
07-27-2016, 08:43 AM
TL;DR
I need my father to know that no matter what, in any situation, I will be okay. I will never go hungry, and I will never be without shelter, fire, and food if I absolutely need it. I need to do this for all the people that said that I couldn't, and that My Side of the Mountain was nothing more that a childrens' story that I could never aspire to.
I know there are simpler ways to start, to build up to Arctic survival. But that's not how I work. I can't dip my toes in and say "Ehhhhhhhhhhh, mayyyyyyybe in the next ten years......?" I've had twenty years of that already, and I'm ready to just do it.
I finally made it to the end of the post and discovered this!
We have us a 20 year old here that can not leave without his father's permission and knowledge that said 20 year old son is fed, watered, stabled and scrubbed down as needed, insulated from hardships and probably also within cell phone range so he can call home and speak to ET. A complete entitlement mindset!
And said person wants to prove My Side of The Mountain is reality and not fiction.
If this person is of sound mind (?) and healthy body, which would be a requirement for this artic effort, and is 20 years old, I might suggest that he go down to the local Army recruiter and speak with them about a training regimen that will cover all these points and possibly appoint a drill Sargent that will read him a few pages of My Side Of The Mountain each night before tucking him in. When he completes his training he can volunteer for duty in some artic region and learn all the things he needs to know in order to live for a winter in a hollow tree like a freekin' Keebler elf in a blizzard.
finallyME
07-27-2016, 09:09 AM
Just so you know....My Side of the Mountain was a great read....but it was fiction, and happened in New York, not Northern Canada or Alaska. In case your father's reading this, if you do what you say you are going to do, then you will go hungry without shelter and fire. You will be cold and miserable. If you can't deal with that...... stay in the suburbs. You ever wonder why the Inuit and Eskimo survive on 100% meat. Not a hippie lifestyle.
If you are serious about finding a babysitter in the artic, you won't find that person online. The only way is to go north until you find that magical person. You probably won't find anyone if you aren't going to pay them somehow. This is the real world after all. People have to make a living, and wasting their time teaching someone patience isn't going to help them.
hunter63
07-27-2016, 10:15 AM
..................
When he completes his training he can volunteer for duty in some artic region and learn all the things he needs to know in order to live for a winter in a hollow tree like a freekin' Keebler elf in a blizzard.
Psssst....News flash.....when by the Keebler cookie factory in Grand Rapids, Michigan....as shift change......
Those cookies are NOT made by elves......
But in their defense the Guard shack looked like a fiberglass hollow tree....
ROTTA..?........Run off to the artic?......
Why not ROTF?...Run off to Fiji....?
http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16561&d=1428866682
1stimestar
07-27-2016, 12:02 PM
Why not come up to college here and learn about living in the arctic in a more realistic way.
https://frozenproductionprocess.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/50-below-club.jpg?w=411
That is seriously so wrong.
1stimestar
07-27-2016, 03:26 PM
Hahhaha, it's a thing we do...cabin fever you know.
hunter63
07-27-2016, 05:43 PM
Looks like it was a tad nipply at -50 LOL
tundrabadger
07-27-2016, 07:03 PM
Nope....not many around Wisconsin....they get weird at the zoo when you start blasting away.....
Walmart is getting use to it in the poultry aisle, during turkey season......
What's the "Best Seal Gun?'
Well, I have an inuk buddy who says that the only gun you really need is a bolt action rifle chambered for .223 Remington, so probably that.
tundrabadger
07-27-2016, 07:04 PM
http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16561&d=1428866682
Now where did you get my grad photo from?
From the .....wait for it......grad photoshop! (I slay myself).
Wildthang
07-28-2016, 07:50 AM
Well, the only way I would even consider living in the remote north sub arctic, is if I had an insulated cabin, endless stores of food, huge fuel tanks, huge insulated water tanks, huge generator, and the 3 things below. I think I could be happy living there then!!!!:smartass:
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/Rocketman14/Winter-Beauty_zpslv7kv7zf.jpg (http://s773.photobucket.com/user/Rocketman14/media/Winter-Beauty_zpslv7kv7zf.jpg.html)
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hunter63
07-28-2016, 10:54 AM
Stop it, stop it....
Now there is gonna be a stampede of 20 some-things....busting out of Momma basement and running off to the Arctic..
tundrabadger
07-28-2016, 04:07 PM
Eh, that was going to happen either way
hunter63
07-28-2016, 06:05 PM
Eh, that was going to happen either way
Yeah....True Dat...........
1stimestar
07-28-2016, 11:46 PM
Not unless they are willing to participate in the arctic hong festival.
Wildthang
09-12-2016, 01:07 PM
Not unless they are willing to participate in the arctic hong festival.
No hongs allowed!!!
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