Updates on my AR-15 build

[jim Glass]

I was fortunate to score a great place to shoot from a private land owner that has a stone quarry and it is only 3 miles away and I can go there any time I want to. I don't know how I do it, I must look pretty harmless or something.

I'm shooting my AR-15 two or three times a week. Love this rifle. Went ahead and purchased the 22LR conversion from
Daytona Tactical. Amazing how the AR-15 converts from one round to the next in less than a minute. I incorporated bolt storage inside the wooden gun case so I always have both bolts. Usually shoot both the .223 and 22 LR with each visit to the gun range.

With .223 rounds, I'm shooting 5 inch groups at 80 yards with the iron sights. Is this good, bad or average shooting? I'm shooting the same group with the 22LR at 50 yards.

Next investment will be a red dot laser sight for day/night shooting with wild hog hunting in mind.

This fall I'm going to start gathering parts to build an AR-15 .300 Blackout. Probably buy a kit from Daytona Tactical
and another 80% lower. I'm aware I can just buy a .300 Blackout upper but a complete kit will include parts for the lower receiver.

After all, I figure a guy needs to take care of himself, right? Jim

[crashdive123]

Thanks for the update. Glad it's working for you.

[jim Glass]

I have been looking at .300 Blackout kits at Daytona Tactical. The least expensive kit is a 300 AAC. Can't figure out what the AAC stands for.
The AAC kit uses a 4150 Chrome Moly/ nitride barrel while the other more expensive kits us Heavy Chrome Moly/phosphate process barrel.
What is the difference in barrels. Is a Stainless barrel worth the extra cost?
Jim

[hunter63]

Almost bought a stripped lower at a show.....and a parts kit....
Then I saw a Handi Rifle in a caliber I didn't have....so was led astray.....again.

Maybe just get a different lit of the couple AR's I have?.......thinking 6.5?....more of a deer load than a .223/5.56
What would the advantage of the 300 Black out be over a 6.5?....Is that a subsonic round?

[jim Glass]

Maybe just get a different lit of the couple AR's I have?.......thinking 6.5?....more of a deer load than a .223/5.56
What would the advantage of the 300 Black out be over a 6.5?....Is that a subsonic round?

The 300 Blackout uses the same upper and lower receiver and I think the same magazines as the .223. I guess the original attraction for me was changing out the .223 barrel with a 300 Blackout barrel. Now that I have built an AR-15 using the .223 barrel I realize the barrels can be changed back and fourth but I don't feel it is a good idea to use one barrel for hunting and a few days later switch barrels to go to the gun range. I could have a complete upper and that would be an easy change back and fourth but for just a little more money I could have another complete rifle. Besides, when I get back to Florida I may want a second AR-15 to loan to a Canadian friend because I know we'll be fighting over a single AR.

I suppose a .308 would be best for large wild hogs but then that rifle will always be a .308. I'm attracted to things that are flexable like the AR-15. At my age I rather doubt I'll ever get into deer hunting so the 300 Blackout looks good to me for hunting smaller wild hogs.

My hunting experience has always been with ducks and geese so I know very little about rifles. But this AR-15 is making me think about competitive shooting now. Jim

[finallyME]

Yeah, the lower is the cheapest part... unless you spend a ton on a special trigger. Once you buy another upper, you might as well slap another lower on it.

That case looks awesome. Great job!

[druid]

::snip::

With .223 rounds, I'm shooting 5 inch groups at 80 yards with the iron sights. Is this good, bad or average shooting? I'm shooting the same group with the 22LR at 50 yards.

Next investment will be a red dot laser sight for day/night shooting with wild hog hunting in mind.

::snip::

After all, I figure a guy needs to take care of himself, right? Jim

5" groups with iron sights at 80 yards is great. Remember that the "battle zero" for the 5.56 / .223 is 0-300 meters. A human "kill shot" happens in an 8"-10" diameter circle in CoM. So if your shots are dead on but 2.5" off the center mark [in any compass direction], you are good to go.

As for .22 conversions, it's fine. remember that the .22 LR is a "meh" / fun / plinking / training round and people tend to expect more from it than it can deliver. The rifle and shooter's ability can be spot on....but the round itself is lacking.

Before buying it [for self defense / offensive reasons], I want you to remember one thing: Lasers work both ways. If you can see it, so can any foe. If it's just for hogs then no worries.

And be careful you don't strap too much on that AR....you can get crazy very quickly LOL.

Unless the rifle is 'purpose-built' [like mine, as constructed as a "Designated Marksman" rifle], try to limit "necessities" to iron sights, optics [of whatever type], flashlight and sling. Even mine is limited on attached accessories. When I built mine I created: 18" fluted stainless steel bull barrel in 1:8" twist with Midlength gas system; Adjustable gas block; 15" freefloated hand guard; Nickel Boron BCG; 2 stage competition trigger; 3-9 scope [for now, I want better optics eventually]; 45* fixed iron sights; sling and 6P LED flashlight [1000 lumens]. Being a DM rifle, I should put a bipod on it but I want to wait on that. I also think I want a shorter hand guard but I'm still unsure on that.

If anything, put decent optics on your rifle. A red dot is great for CQB but might not be so hot for hog hunting [unless you are right up on them]. Perhaps a fixed 4x scope might serve you well, as it makes for a good "median" optic...not too bad for close quarters and better than "zero" magnification at distance. Or go with a 1-4x if you want less "zoom" at CQB.

Here's some shots of mine so you see what I'm talking about:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/8%20-%20Battle%20Sights%20installed%202_zpsgyork3pj.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/druidsdecendant/media/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/8%20-%20Battle%20Sights%20installed%202_zpsgyork3pj.jpg .html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/9%20-%20Total%20build%202_zpsyzoxux6f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/druidsdecendant/media/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/9%20-%20Total%20build%202_zpsyzoxux6f.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/9%20-%20Total%20build%204_zpsycf7ptpe.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/druidsdecendant/media/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/9%20-%20Total%20build%204_zpsycf7ptpe.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/720-20NiB20Bolt206_zps5lukpcza.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/druidsdecendant/media/AR15%20build/Final%20Build/720-20NiB20Bolt206_zps5lukpcza.jpg.html)

NOTE: the 45* iron sights are set this way because I shoot left-handed. For a right-handed shooter, they'd be mounted to the right side instead. This allows you to mount the scope as close to the rail/receiver as possible....simply turn the rifle 45* to the side for open sights.

[jim Glass]

Thanks for the reply and helpful hints Druid. I'm thinking about buying the 300 Blackout kit, assembling the upper, and using it with the lower receiver I already have. I'll pick up a lower receiver someday at a gun show, I'll already have the parts for the lower receiver from the kit, assemble and I'll have 2 completer AR-15s. Just a way to spread out the expenses.

My brother-in-law uses a red Dot sight that has a clear plastic lens mounted on the receiver or barrel. Looking through the lens there is a red dot. Place the red dot on your target and that is where the bullet goes. I may try one of those because in my case the hog would always be in view. I used one on one of my brother-in-laws hand guns. Hunting hogs in Florida, the hogs are no more than 40 yards away. Impossible to see beyond 50 yards because of the jungle. Most of there hogs we killed were 20 yards away. Jim

[jim Glass]

My 300 Blackout with Barska red dot sight. I have 2 more red dot sights to tryout. The 300 Blackout uses the lower receiver borrowed from the .223 rifle. I'll have a second receiver in a month or two.

[crashdive123]

Nice...........

[kyratshooter]

I think you will be pleased with the 300 BO as a small hog cartridge. It fits neatly between the 30 carbine and 7.62x39 round in power and performance.

It you were shooting at long range there might be some better choices but for inside 100 yards on hogs less than 150 pounds it should be almost perfect using the 110-125 grain bullets.

For your situation, hunting at dusk and into darkness, the red dot should be a perfect optic system. I hope those cheap red dots do not fail you.

I have to keep reminding myself that I do not need a new lower for every upper in the inventory. Rough habit to break.

[Phaedrus]

If I end up getting another AR it will probably be .300 AAC. Great round.

[madmax]

Jim, I enjoy your posts and I know this is an old thread but I have a question about the 80% Lower you chose. I think I've caught the build bug. It was a Daytona Tactical? And were there any brands in your research that had bad reps.

And anyone else is welcome to chime in as well.

[kyratshooter]

Jim did an aluminum alloy 80% lower because he has a fully equipped machine shop and a lifetime of machine tool experience.

If this is a first build for you and you do not have access to a machine shop then going with a polymer 80% lower would be advisable.

That is what you saw being assembled at the jamboree.

You can build a poly lower with nothing but a drill press and a good drill press vise.

A big stand up press and a cross feed milling vise works better, but the first one I built I had nothing but a $49.95 HF table top vise and by being very careful I got a good lower built.

Daytona Tactical makes a good parts kit. Palmetto State Armory also makes a good kit and usually at a cheaper price.

Polymer 80 offers the best 80% lowers. You can buy direct from the factory. They cost about $70-$80. They also sometimes have blems on sale real cheap, usually a color problem in the plastic. They come with a jig which actually works, the two necessary drill bits and a milling cutter. Instructions are a little slim so when you get ready to do the work shoot me a PM and I will talk you through the process. I now have several behind me. All of them work and I have not had to scrap one yet.

A cheaper way to go, with less complication, is to buy a stripped lower, for $50, that is already completed, and set down with a you-tube video and an hour latter have a functioning rifle.

For a first build I would recommend going with the stripped lower. After you have assembled a stripped lower and found it actually works you will feel more secure at the thought of building a lower.

Be careful though. You build one and then a month latter PSA has a big sale and sends you an E-mail for a build kit for $300 and you realize you can have another AR for less than $350. And then you realize that all you have to do is buy a new upper and you have a 300BO or 6.8spc and before you know it you have a couple of carbines, a rifle and two AR pistols hanging in the back room.

It's an addiction.

Then you find out Wolf .5.56 is on sale for $0.20 cents a round and the ammo accumulation begins.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/

https://daytonatactical.com/

http://www.polymer80.com/

https://andersonmanufacturing.com/

[madmax]

Yeah, I thank you and Natertot for showing me another money pit. LOL.

I checked out DT and PSA but not Polymer80. I will.

I might not have this right, but I think a stripped lower will negate my purpose in this build (If you know what I mean). However, if that is where I need to start, I can do that. Then do a 80%.

I do not have a machine shop. But I think I can put together enough to git'r done.

Thank you for the help and the offer to help in the future.

Tony

edit. WAIT! .20 cents a round! Ammoman ain't that cheap.

[Desert Rat!]

Just start stacking some money up for your builds, when you get to about 15-20 builds you will probably start slowing down, you will need some willpower to stop, maybe an intervention ...:devil2:

[jayd]

Never mind, I have nothing to add - I'm just a troll.

[kyratshooter]

edit. WAIT! .20 cents a round! Ammoman ain't that cheap.

https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AW223PFMJ55&name=WPA+(WOLF)+.223+55grn+FMJ+20rd+Box&groupid=21

Aim is just across the big River from me so I do not even have shipping to worry about, just a 30 minute drive.

The stripped lower is only $50 so there is not a fortune in the blank. You can build it in a flash and be shooting. If you ever have to "turn it in for credit" you bought it as a stripped lower and that is what gets turned in.

It will also give you a pattern to look at and measure too as you build your 80% lower, which is difficult on the first go if you do not have an example to compare too.

You get to thinking "that ain't right" and then you look at a finished and working example and realize you are doing OK or you need to stop before you really screw up.

When you buy the "build kit" make sure you are getting a complete Kit. Many of them come without a bolt carrier group or without the buttstock and look like a real deal until you realize the BCG is $100 and the buttstock is $65-$125.

For a first build I would recommend the PSA freedom rifle kit in one of its forms. They offer a carbine with regular or stainless barrels and other goodies. The PSA kit already has the upper assembled with barrel head spaced. If you buy an upper that requires assembly you will have to buy an armorer's tool and torque wrench and you better have one big honkin' vise on the workbench.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-stainless-mid-length-1-7-freedom-rifle-kit.html

I love building ARs!

As soon as I can find a blown out microwave oven to salvage I am going to build a spot welder and start building AKs.

[jim Glass]

Jim, I enjoy your posts and I know this is an old thread but I have a question about the 80% Lower you chose. I think I've caught the build bug. It was a Daytona Tactical? And were there any brands in your research that had bad reps.

And anyone else is welcome to chime in as well.

PSA and Daytona Tactical were suggested by folks on this sight. Never heard of any bad reps. Nothing more fun than shooting a gun you made yourself. I keep threatening to build an AR-15 in 9 mm just to use as a plinker. The reason I don't is most of the parts are dedicated to 9 mm. I don't fully understand the attraction of the 80% lowers. I went that direction mostly for convenience but it is an interesting conversation piece when finished. The problem I have is people want me to make them a lower receiver and that would be against the law. I offer those people the use of my machines to machine their own 80% lower and that usually ends the discussion.

I finished machined an 80% lower from Brownells and another from Daytona Tactical. Both were high quality.

Oh darn, now I'm getting the build bug again. I have investigated building an AK47 because the ammo is cheap but never found a complete kit.

Never forget the first time my wife saw my AR-15. She comes out to my shop, she rarely does that, and I have an AR-15 laying on a work bench. She sees it and says, "what's that thing?" I said, "a rifle". She asks "what's it for?" I said, "hog hunting". She asks, "is that an AR-15?" I said, "ya". She replies totally in a hostile manner, "oh Jim,,,,,you keep it out here, don't bring it into the house!!" Me, "OK...". She still does not know about the second AR-15. I'm ok as long as she only sees one at a time.

[madmax]

I like the idea of practice assembly and having something to compare to. I think I bought armorers tool and torque wrench to put a single point adapter on my Ruger AR-15. I Have a rock solid work table and a pretty heavy duty vise on it.

Thanks Jim. I'm not worried about people asking me to machine a lower for them. Anybody that I know that would be interested has it covered better than me already. LOL. It'll get range time without a lot of conversation about it. Ya know I could build it as a 300 BO...

I kinda laughed at the guys that showed me a gun in their massive gun safe and wondered what in the world did they need all those guns AND having to buy that huge safe too? Now I know.

[crashdive123]

I'm a firm believer that if you know how many guns you have off the top of your head, you don't have enough.

[kyratshooter]

The ammo for the AK is no cheaper than for the 5.56 AR ammo. In fact 5.56 is about a penny cheaper than 7.62x39 right now. It all varies by a few cents but is too close to the same price to make that a factor.

300BO is expensive by comparison. It is only available as commercial ammo at commercial cost.

The real factor is AK cost right now. The prices have reversed trend in the past couple of years and the AK is costing twice the price of an AR. AK rifles are selling for $700-$900 and the parts kits are going for $400. It is a phony reaction to the Russian embargo. Most of the AK rifles that were being imported were not made in Russia, they were made in Serbia, Yugoslavia or Connecticut!

Yep, Century International has an AK factory in the U.S. so they no longer have to import.

Fortunately you only need one AK,,,,ever,,,,forever. You buy it once and you never have to buy one again!

Sort of like a John Deere tractor.

I guess that would make the AR a Lowes riding lawn mower.

Here is a source for your "build kits". for the AK they are stripped from an existing lower since there are millions of worn out AKs all over the world that are full auto and not allowed inside the U.S. All parts except the lower, selector switch, and full auto sear are stripped off and sold as parts kits. My sons told me that you could buy an AK at any bazaar in Iraq for $10, so that is quite a profit mark up.

http://armsofamerica.com/

Stamped, punched and folded lowers are available all over the place for $30-$75. You have to spot weld the bolt rails in place and rivet the center brace.

Now I have started something else. Sorry 'bout that.

[jim Glass]

Oh ya, my Brother-in-law has so many guns he can put on a gun show at his house.

I made all my assembly tools except the upper receiver clamp. Without that clamp there is a chance of breaking the upper receiver when the barrel is torqued in place, it's only aluminum. When the upper receiver is broken you can think about all the money you saved on the clamp. The clamp is only $20. I couldn't come close to making anything like that for $20. Buying the clamp is also a good excuse for building more AR's.

Let's see, how much was that 9mm AR kit?

[madmax]

Never forget the first time my wife saw my AR-15. She comes out to my shop, she rarely does that, and I have an AR-15 laying on a work bench. She sees it and says, "what's that thing?" I said, "a rifle". She asks "what's it for?" I said, "hog hunting". She asks, "is that an AR-15?" I said, "ya". She replies totally in a hostile manner, "oh Jim,,,,,you keep it out here, don't bring it into the house!!" Me, "OK...". She still does not know about the second AR-15. I'm ok as long as she only sees one at a time.

I got by with, "It's for hunting and home defense." When she asked what my AR-15 was for. Dodged the, "What about that one shotgun you just bought for home defense." Now it's going to be explaining the 100 rnd drum magazine I just ordered. Somehow I don't think I can use either excuse for that. Then the build... I will come up with something. LOL

[hunter63]

Stick with Handi's, stick with Hand's, stick with Handi's....I keep tell myself.

[kyratshooter]

The build kit is "gun parts", not a gun. Just a box of parts. That's my story and I am sticking too it.

Honest truth too. If it was a gun they could not ship it by mail or freight without an FFL.

Now if you build both your ARs to look alike, and never let her see them together, she will never know you have two guns.

The shotgun is a different deal. Everyone has to have a shotgun. A shotgun is just part of life and a good idea for most women too. In fact, you need one for you and one for her, just like needing two AR rifles.

Now if you get hooked on AR pistols I am not responsible for any addictive behavior because you have been warned. The AR pistol is highly addictive since you can make a butt-stockless SBR substitute fron 7" barrel out to 14" model and some of us want several different setups.

My AR pistols are the only rifle/pistol cartridge combination I can identify as useful.

Everyone that owns an AR should probably have one of the armorers combination tools just to do maintenance on the firearm. They are about $15 at any gun shop and have a wrench for the castle nut on the stock, a muzzle break wrench, a barrel nut wrench, a big screw driver and squares punched out for 3/8 or 1/2 inch torque wrench. You also need another type wrench for the free float handguards since they use a different kind of barrel nut. You will also need the upper vise Jim is talking about if you go with a kit that requires assembly.

Now, after you get straight on the AR rifles you have to go to the computer and start looking for the Handi rifle barrels as back up guns for your primary and to justify the purchase of ammo to "the man" if it is ever a problem.

"No sir I do not own an evil black rifle, I bought that 5,000 rounds of surplus ammo to shoot out of my Handi-rifle. What's in the back room? Oh just more handi-rifle ammo in various calibers. They are very versatile firearms."

[hunter63]

Now, after you get straight on the AR rifles you have to go to the computer and start looking for the Handi rifle barrels as back up guns for your primary and to justify the purchase of ammo to "the man" if it is ever a problem.

"No sir I do not own an evil black rifle, I bought that 5,000 rounds of surplus ammo to shoot out of my Handi-rifle. What's in the back room? Oh just more handi-rifle ammo in various calibers. They are very versatile firearms."

Have a .223, .308...still looking for the 7.62 X 39.......good way to shoot up your 'blems"

[Rick]

I do not understand you guys. My mosins require nothing more than a sledge hammer and bailing wire. Short of that a large rock and a green vine.

[hunter63]

Don't forget the railroad rail.......for the receiver.

[randyt]

for what it's worth, I have a handi rifle in 7.62 x 39.

[hunter63]

for what it's worth, I have a handi rifle in 7.62 x 39.

LOL....So what is it worth?.....LOL

[randyt]

the heck of it is I don't have time to shoot it much but maybe one of these days

[hunter63]

the heck of it is I don't have time to shoot it much but maybe one of these days

Let me know...PM........I would be interested.

[randyt]

I'll find the time, soon.

[Rick]

I just had this picture of Hunter on his knees in front of the computer typing with a cross in one hand and a juju doll in the other (ain't takin' no chances) when he typed that post. I hope his wife is home so he can get back up.

[jim Glass]

One thing about a .223. You can always say it is only a .22 which is true because I have the conversion kit. The AR shoots both but that info should be let out on a need to know basis.

Now, how do I justify a 9 mm AR-15? I know, the ammo is cheap plus I'm getting bored.

[hunter63]

I just had this picture of Hunter on his knees in front of the computer typing with a cross in one hand and a juju doll in the other (ain't takin' no chances) when he typed that post. I hope his wife is home so he can get back up.

Yeah, helping me up is about right.....she gave up on the "Well, how many do you need?"

[randyt]

how many you need? just one more

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Some time back #3 son and I were at the ranch shooting. We had hung a large steel (3/8") plate in a tree and were taking pot shots at it. I was using my AR with Tula FMJ ammo and he was using his SKS with Tula FMJ ammo. After a couple of mags each we went down to look at the plate. The 223 was making little poof marks on the plate and the 7.62x39 was punching right on through it. I decided then and there that I was going to graduate. I had had an SKS for a bunch of years but hadn't carried it much and the AR was light and maneuverable. I never had any desire to own an AK47, still don't.

I bought an Olympic upper and put it on a Colt Sporter II lower I had and it is what has gone with me on trips and truck gun to the ranch for several years now. I had to buy a bushing to adapt the upper to the Colt lower but it's tight and shoots as good as a 7.62x39 and an old man can shoot. It requires different mags but in a pinch will load and feed 7.62x39 with some small degree of reliability from a regular AR 223 mag.

Alan

[kyratshooter]

With the handi rifles dried up and the Rossi SS rifles dried up I suppose I am going to have to buy one of those little CZ bolt actions in 7.62x39.

I really wish Savage would come out with a short action Axis rifle in 7.62x39, .223, .357, .44mag and maybe .22 Hornet and sell it for about the same price they do the regular Axis. They would sell a ton of them!

[Phaedrus]

I'm kind of thinking of getting a HOWA Mini in 7.62x39 or 6.5 Grendel. Right now I can't find one locally to look at though.

[kyratshooter]

Just a link to a good deal I got in my e-mail.

http://www.polymer80.com/ar-15-lower/p80-g150-nkit-blem?utm_source=Main+Customer+List&utm_campaign=493bfe9903-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_08_09_Blems&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a54862703d-493bfe9903-42076885&ct=t(PF940v2_Announcement8_12_2017)&goal=0_a54862703d-493bfe9903-42076885&mc_cid=493bfe9903&mc_eid=420ab40e0f

These "blems" are usually due to a bad color mix when they change from one color to another through the injector mold. I have never seen one with a structural defect, only color mixing.

Price is about $30 cheaper than the regular price. You still get the jig, drills, milling cutter.

Stuff like this is how I ended up an AR junkie.

And to top it off I just got an E-mail from another place that has AK lowers for $30!

[hunter63]

OMG....Down the rabbit hole.....
Kyrat....You are a bad man.....

[kyratshooter]

Right now AK "build kits", which are actually the parts stripped off an old AK and sold commercially, are running about $300. With 100 million old worn out AKs out there they should be cheaper than that!

That makes it possible to have an AK as cheaply as you can build an AR.

AK lowers are not milled, they are finished and assembled with rivets! This is Russian gear we are talking about. If it will not go together properly you need a bigger hammer.

[hunter63]

Just a link to a good deal I got in my e-mail.

http://www.polymer80.com/ar-15-lower/p80-g150-nkit-blem?utm_source=Main+Customer+List&utm_campaign=493bfe9903-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_08_09_Blems&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a54862703d-493bfe9903-42076885&ct=t(PF940v2_Announcement8_12_2017)&goal=0_a54862703d-493bfe9903-42076885&mc_cid=493bfe9903&mc_eid=420ab40e0f

These "blems" are usually due to a bad color mix when they change from one color to another through the injector mold. I have never seen one with a structural defect, only color mixing.

Price is about $30 cheaper than the regular price. You still get the jig, drills, milling cutter.

Stuff like this is how I ended up an AR junkie. ..............



Well te 80% lower showed up today......Down the rabbit hole....I guess...'
Handi's have dried up for now......
.
Soo...... what parts kit is a good deal....kinda looks like I should have th part for trial fitting WIP
Polymer has a 308 kit?....doesn't really say if it is correct for this build.

[rebel]

It would probably be a good investment. To pick up ten of them, wait about four years and sell them for ten times what you paid. 👍

[rebel]

I watched the video on the build. What speed are y'all milling? The video said no faster than 1800 so as not too melt the polymer.

[kyratshooter]

Well te 80% lower showed up today......Down the rabbit hole....I guess...'
Handi's have dried up for now......
.
Soo...... what parts kit is a good deal....kinda looks like I should have th part for trial fitting WIP
Polymer has a 308 kit?....doesn't really say if it is correct for this build.

Hunter, if you bought an 80% lower then it is either a .223/5.56 or a .308. It is one or the other and not both. The AR10 is a larger rifle than the AR15.

If you got the blem 80% lower from Polymer 80 you got an AR15 lower and you will need an AR15 build kit.

For the parts kit I would check both Daytona Tactical and PSA. Be aware that there are some differences in kits, especially the complete kits that come with everything but the lower.

First, some come with the upper assembled, the barrel head-spaced and all you have to do is slip the bolt carrier group and charging handle into place and install it on the lower when that is finished.

Other kits come "disassembled" and require you to plug the barrel into the stripped upper, and that takes some more tools and fittings that do not come as part of the kit.

Some companies consider a "build kit" just the parts for the lower, others consider it a complete rifle kit.

PSA is very good about telling beginners exactly what they are getting, if it is assembled and if any additional parts are needed.

PSA also offers economical complete build kits to create a finished rifle with nothing else needed except an armorers' tool. The PSA kit sits in front of you as if you had just taken your rifle completely to the frame and you are just putting it back together. I have done six of them now, I think it was six, and I have never been short any parts or had to modify anything after the assembly to make the rifle work.

PSA also has good sales and they will kick in free shipping many times which reduces the actual cost of their kit by about $20 just in shipping cost. If you do not get in a hurry you can watch their website and catch a real deal. Last week they sent me an E-mail with a complete carbine build kit at $300. I have one that I caught for less than that. Once you get on their mailing list it is like a dealer pushing crack! You can not afford not to buy a kit at the price they offer.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-phosphate-freedom-rifle-kit.html

If you bought the $55 blem on sale then you will have a rifle for less than $400 and you can order a couple of their excellent $7 magazines as part of the bundle.

As for milling the lower, unless you have an XY milling vise your "milling" is going to be more plunge milling than traditional techniques. Even with a cross slide vise and a heavy drill press it is sometimes shaky. But with the polymer 80 kit there are some tricks and most you do not learn until your second or third build. But I have already done the second and third build so I will save you some time and frayed nerves.

First you need to secure the jig firmly. That jig is the key to your build success.

Second, Get your drill press table set up level. Very important. You will need a drill table vise of some sort, if you do not have a milling vise, to hold the jig secure and level. I do not see how it could be hand held and successful.

Third, you need to plunge drill out all the material that just has to be hogged away. Use a 3/8" or so new drill bit and set the stop so it will bottom out without coming through the bottom of your trigger group and eliminate about 90% of the plastic from the unit. The jig shows you where to remove plastic and how you get it out is up to you, but using that milling cutter is a long process and dulls the mill by the time you get to the finish up stage.

Fourth, when you change to the end mill for the actual milling operation set the stop on your drill press so that the black ring on the end mill just touches the top of the jig. It is even safer to set the mill into the chuck up to that black ring and plunge until the chuck touches the jig. The mill is set so that when you penetrate to the depth of that ring you are at the exact proper depth for clearance of the trigger group inside the lower.

That is the only real critical tolerance you have to watch. You have to get the milling done to that depth but the remaining plastic is only about .0025" thick where the trigger comes out the bottom. the only purpose that thin layer of plastic has it to support the trigger spring in the final assembly and keep crap out of the action. if it were not for that function you could just drill all the way through.

Fifth, the mill will not plunge drill alone. It will only take out a little plastic along the edge of the cutter with each plunge. Do not try to take 1/4" of stock off with each plunge. Go slow and plunge out the entire unit then come back and clean up any little places that seem rough.

Sixth, keep the shop vac handy. That little 3/4"X 3" slot you are milling turns into about a bushel of lose strings of milled plastic. You can not see what you are doing or how well you are doing it without a shop vac to clear debris.

Seventh, drill the holes through the sides last. That way they will not affect the cutter during the milling operation. Drill from each side as the instructions advise, and not all the way through from one side to the other.

And remember, all your work inside that action is going to be concealed, so if the ripples from the plunge milling are visible "so what?" if it still works, it still works. And remember that none of your moving parts touch the sides of that housing except the trigger and hammer where the pivot pins come through. That is four critical points about 3/8" each in total. Finish and thickness on the inside walls is not critical except at those four points.

As for milling speed??? I am using a big stand up drill press and I just set it on the lowest speed and went to work.

If I remember properly my first unit took me two nights of set up, experimentation and adjustment along with the actual work. I was using a HF $40 table top drill press. The unit works fin and looks fine.

I soon got a stand up press which made things much more stable but would not be worth the money for a single build. I needed a big press anyway so I got one.

My second unit took about three hours from start to finish with a couple of coffee breaks included. It has been about the same for the rest. I can knock one out after dinner at this point.

[finallyME]

Dang it! I have to spread some love before giving a rep for that one. Great advice KYRS!

[hunter63]

Yeah thanks.....
Watched the vid....was surprised they used a hand drill for the pin holes....
Gonna be heading out to "The Place" in the morning....so want to do some looking up of the kits you are referring to

I have a bench top drill press....does have the different pulleys......and the HF vice.....
When milling...is the vice bolted down for each cut?....or slid it around to finish sides after the drilled holes?

[hunter63]

Dang it! I have to spread some love before giving a rep for that one. Great advice KYRS!

Got it for both of us......Cool stuff.

[kyratshooter]

If it were not illegal I would just tell everyone to send the 80% lowers to me and I would knock them out for the forum members free of charge, but the ATF says that is not allowed.

They even say that you can not borrow a drill press, or rent a milling machine, or rent time in a shop to finish the 80% lower. According to the law, you have to do it on machinery you own yourself.

I do not know how they enforce that provision because I might borrow a drill press from a buddy for another project, or if I worked in a shop stay after work to use the milling machine without the boss knowing. (I built a nice semi auto pistol during my breaks while I was working part time in a machine shop. Also built an old style PPC revolver while working there)

I also know of several people that have had "build parties" where a bunch of guys get together at a machine shop or someone's garage and all of them build their 80% lowers at the same time. If you had three or four drill presses set up at the same time you could build them like an assembly line with each person doing their own work. You do have to stop and re-set-up the press when you change drill bits, go to the milling cutter, drill the hammer/trigger holes and drill the safety hole. Tool setup totals to about 1/2 hour of your build time even when you know what you are doing.

[hunter63]

That PSA kit looks like the way to go....but will wait till I get back in a few weeks.......
Like I said....done tha rabbit hole.....LOL

I did buy and receive the "blem" and was looking for a parts kit from them....and came across the 308 version...but didn't see a .223/.556

Do like the PSA direction as a starter....

When I get ready ..... I'll start a "project thread"

[kyratshooter]

If you just have a table top press and a standard drill press vise I would set it up differently for each step of the build.

First, you need to secure the drill press to the table. Most people do not have their DP bolted to a stable surface. Bolt or clamp it securely to the table.

I would position the vise and bolt the vise down for the hogging out of the plastic. With the vise clamped down you can move the jig with the work in it. That jig is designed to hold your work square and true for the presentation of the drills and cutters.

The jig holds the entire lower but you are only milling about 3" of the lower. Make sure the vise is set up so as you move the work under the cutter you do not fall off the end of the vise or get unsupported or clamp at an angle. Make sure you stay true and flat on the bottom of the vise.

You would have to clamp the jig, drill, unclamp the jig and move it to the next spot, clamp it and drill again. All the holes should be in a straight line that way and you can use a drill bit size slightly larger than the milling cutter and plan the holes to remove the most material and leave the easiest milling operation possible. Do not try to drill holes that touch each other. It will cause a mess with run-out and snagging your work. If you hog the material out with a drill slightly larger than the milling cutter the mill will fit inside the individual holes and take material out a step at a time as you move it along.

Make sure your tooling is all locked down well with the stops secured. You do not want to drill at an angle or have a drill bit come lose or slide in or out of the chuck.

I would do the milling the same way. It would take longer but when you are plunge milling that polymer a table top press is going to bounce and jump around unless you take off a small cut very slowly and have the work locked down. The milling cutter does not go smoothly through that polymer, it catches some and bounces against the resistance of the material. That was a big shock to me. I expected to cut through the plastic like butter.

Plunge a little material off, move the work and clamp it back down, then plunge off another sliver.

This is where an XY vise comes in handy. You can index it in square to the chuck, lock down the work, and move the work past the milling cutter, using the hand cranks, a fraction of an inch at a time.

I know this is a lot of minute detail, but it was learned the hard way in one form or another. No need for you to repeat my mistakes and have a small chip of plastic on the bottom of the vise cause you to drill all the way through a critical area.

And remember, if you make a mistake in a noncritical area the hole or gouge or mick can be patched with JB Weld and blended in with a Sharpe marker. It will still shoot.

Ask me how I know!

[kyratshooter]

That PSA kit looks like the way to go....but will wait till I get back in a few weeks.......
Like I said....done tha rabbit hole.....LOL

I did buy and receive the "blem" and was looking for a parts kit from them....and came across the 308 version...but didn't see a .223/.556

Do like the PSA direction as a starter....

When I get ready ..... I'll start a "project thread"

Keep you eye on the PSA website for the next few weeks. They will have an even better deal.

They do crazy sales on the holidays and Labor day is coming up. They will have a weekend holiday sale that swamps their computers when they come back and it will take them two weeks to catch up with the orders.

Lots of people complain about PSA and shipping delays for that reason but they never mention that they did get their kit, it was intact and complete, they only paid $275-$300 for a complete AR carbine, and shipping was free!

[rebel]

For about the same price you can get this and skip all the "fun":http://www.classicfirearms.com/anderson-ar-lower-ar15-a3-lwfor-um-closed

[kyratshooter]

For about the same price you can get this and skip all the "fun":http://www.classicfirearms.com/anderson-ar-lower-ar15-a3-lwfor-um-closed

The Anderson factory is about 20 miles down the road.

They make a great lower, I have three or four of them too.

There is just something about building the polymer lower that gives me a warm feeling inside like drinking hot chocolate on a cold day. Much like looking in the cellar and seeing a season of canned goods from the garden or looking out the back door at 3-4 cords of firewood in late October.

It is on no ones' books, it is not even a firearm until you finish it. You can use it for a rifle build or a pistol build and you can make it any caliber you wish. It is legal and it is no ones business but your own.

[madmax]

kyratshooter's an enabler.

[crashdive123]

So - we could do a winter jamboree in Florida - everybody bring their parts - we can all sit around the fire pit and watch Krat assemble guns.

[rebel]

So - we could do a winter jamboree in Florida - everybody bring their parts - we can all sit around the fire pit and watch Krat assemble guns.

Good idea.

[madmax]

I'm in.

...see enabled.

[kyratshooter]

So - we could do a winter jamboree in Florida - everybody bring their parts - we can all sit around the fire pit and watch Krat assemble guns.

Shoot, we could all bring our harbor Freight $50 drill presses and set up a machine shop on a picnic table and crank them out in mass.

Fact is, I would not be adverse to a mid-winter Florida campout!

I did nearly freeze my manly attributes off down there in late January of 2012 when a cold front rolled through Tampa when I was at the Alifia rondy. Don't want a repeat of that!

[madmax]

That was a cold camp. I had a cheap Lowes tarp for cover. Alafia doesn't fall on MLK weekend this year.

Maybe we can get some interest with a "Theme" Jamboree. Evil Black Guns.

[rebel]

Yea! I need a grendel. I could bring an x/y vise.

[kyratshooter]

Yea! I need a grendel. I could bring an x/y vise.

The upper you put on it is up to you. Some folks just have to be different. Grendels and Blackouts and Beowulfs and what-not.

The only oddball I have ever really considered is the 6mmx45. Only problem is the small case restricts the speed of 80-100 grain bullets. Same problem with the 300BO. That .223 case is just too small to work around. It works best in its original .22 caliber.

[rebel]

The upper you put on it is up to you. Some folks just have to be different. Grendels and Blackouts and Beowulfs and what-not.

No. It's not being different. It's just wanting to try something else. To try something I don't already have experience with.

[jim Glass]

I'm looking at 9mm kits. How does the quality compare between Palmetto state armory and Daytona tactical. PSA kits are $100 less. Daytona Tactical has a 9mm lower 80% receiver for $100 on sale.

We will be in Florida November 9th

[madmax]

What area are you going to be in FL, Jim?

[kyratshooter]

I'm looking at 9mm kits. How does the quality compare between Palmetto state armory and Daytona tactical. PSA kits are $100 less. Daytona Tactical has a 9mm lower 80% receiver for $100 on sale.

We will be in Florida November 9th

Jim I have full build kits from both PSA and Daytona Tactical and I can not tell the difference between the quality of the parts. Not even the finish is different. The name is not even stamped on the uppers so after a while you forget which was from where.

There is always a difference between prices with PSA being lower, but I found a Daytona kit that had features I wanted at a moment when PSA was out of stock in the same item and Obama was talking real insanely about shutting all AR sales down, so I paid more to get the same kit.

It made a good unit so I am not even irritated over spending a bit more money in a panic.

The main difference I have found between the companies is that PSA appears to swamp their own shipping department's capabilities when they have a sale, so when I order from them I allow myself plenty of time and try not to get impatient if my kit does not show up for 2 weeks. You have to sign for those kits so having a tracking number on the shipment keeps you from sitting at home waiting for the brown truck more than necessary.

[jim Glass]

What area are you going to be in FL, Jim?

We will be in Homosassa near Crystal River. We are just off hwy 19 (suncoast high way). If you are still lost we are 40-50 miles North of Tamp kinda between Tamp and Ocala. The RV resort is only 6 miles from the gulf. This area is sometimes called "Old Florida". No multi-story condos or hotels here and no beaches to speak of. It is not even a popular tourist area and most of the reason we like there. Everything is affordable and lots of Ma and Pa eating joints that we like. Most tourists like it farther South where it is warmer. If the sun shines and it is 50 degrees or better my wife and I are happy campers.

Lots of cottages built up on stilts with screened in front porches and Spanish moss hanging from the trees along with an air boat parked in the driveway. I wild hog hunt just over a mile from the RV resort. Lots of red necks down there though. They make the rednecks in Illinois look like Boy Scouts. I actually think the rednecks in Florida could teach the gang bangers in Chicago a lot of tricks. How to shoot a firearm for openers. The locals I have met all have multiple firearms in thier cars or trucks along with an open container. You need to allow the locals time to get to know you. After they get to know you everything is fine.

I hope to be iin a tree stand by November 9th.

[madmax]

Good choice. We're in Ocala. Mom had a place in Crystal River. We fished a lot of water around there.

[jim Glass]

WOW, I can buy a AR kit in 9mm from PSA for $350 and an 80% lower from Daytona Tactical for $100.
I must be crazy for just thinking about it. 18 months ago I never owned a rifle before. A 9mm AR will make #3.
Does it ever end??

[crashdive123]

nope................

[Rick]

Well, technically, yeah. But it's called death. With any luck there are $9 mosins and free surplus ammo on the other side.

[kyratshooter]

WOW, I can buy a AR kit in 9mm from PSA for $350 and an 80% lower from Daytona Tactical for $100.
I must be crazy for just thinking about it. 18 months ago I never owned a rifle before. A 9mm AR will make #3.
Does it ever end??

Actually you can buy the 9mm lower from PSA for $59 and like someone said, skip all the work.

And yes, death is the only release.

Even if you stop buying and building you are still cruising the websites planning builds and asking about compatibility of parts.

Which reminds me, make sure the Daytona/Polymer 80% lower is compatible with the PSA complete kit.

The 9mm is not a mil-spec firearm so nothing is guaranteed. Outside the firms that build them there is no such thing as a standard AR9.

They are just like the AR10 and the AR/KS47. Each company builds their own to their own standards using proprietary parts.

My own dream build now is a KS47 in 6.5 Grendel. It will probably never happen.

[jim Glass]

Well, I ordered the PSA 9mm AR kit. I feel like an idiot though. I usually buy things for a purpose or application but not this time. But I think it will be cool to have a 9mm rifle for target shooting and maybe for killing baby hogs. I love a 22LR for shooting but they get boring after a while. I'll order the receiver from PSA before the weekend. I checked with a gun shop to transfer the receiver. They charge $20 but if I purchase $40 of stuff they will waive the transfer fee so that's not so bad since I'll need a magazine.

I suppose a set of 9mm reloading dies will be next.

Since I started posting here I have completely blown my reputation for financial self discipline.

[hunter63]

You have been "Good Boy"......all these year.... Right?
...And not the first to get led astray...

Just roll with it,....ahhhh, you know,.... to keep your stress level down.......so it can be considered..... Medicinal
Yeah, That's the ticket.......

Enjoy

[kyratshooter]

But look at all the money you are saving by shooting that cheap 9mm ammo! That's plenty of financial responsibility!

But I do have to tell you that you do not really start saving that much over the cost of factory ammo until you start casting your own bullets. That is going to set you back $75 for a lead pot and another $50 for the six cavity bullet mold.

Jim you are like so many of us. We spend a lifetime working and doing without things until we decide that is our purpose in life. Any time we think about spending a few dollars on ourselves we become guilt ridden.

We are from the WSF, we are here to help you!

And don't worry, we are not nearly to the point of being "astray".

Astray does not start until you find yourself gathering parts for an MG42 build.

[jim Glass]

Thanks, I feel better hearing that. Would you believe, I have owned my Honda 600 since 2002, Ranger pickup since 2002, wife's Ford Taurus since 2001 with no plans of replacing them. I guess I can afford a gun purchase now and then. Best part is, everyone thinks we are broke!!

[Rick]

Wait a minute. You can built an MG42?! Wholly crap. PSA?

[kyratshooter]

No the MG 42 has to come from "other sources". The most difficult part to find being the stamped receiver.

I can give you links to a build kit for an RPD and three kinds of AK; '47, '65 and '74 and both finished stripped lowers and 80% finished units.

You can build an AK under-folder for less than $500. Of course Centerfire Systems sells AKs for just a hair over $500 so you are not saving too much there.

The AK build kits would be cheaper but they have to include an American made trigger and sear with the parts kits (usually a Tapco unit) in place of the full auto systems the parts came with and enough other American parts to reach 922 compliance. That bumps up the price. An AK parts kit being basically a de-milled military AK from whatever army we can deal with outside Russia. Yugo, Bulgarian, Polish, Serbian ...They have only scrap value in the nations of origin since all of them changed to the AK74 40 years ago.

That is not a factor with an AR build since all the goodies are produced in country.

[rebel]

Krat, some 80% lowers have the metal insert buffer tube doohickey. Are they needed?

[kyratshooter]

Krat, some 80% lowers have the metal insert buffer tube doohickey. Are they needed?

They are not really needed and serve little purpose.

I have nearly 1000 rounds through one Polymer 80 build and it has no signs of failure or fatigue. That part of the polymer 80 is built up and reinforced pretty well. Even has a hex shape so it is easy to screw onto the tube. The threads are deep and fit is pretty tight so you have to be careful and not get your buffer tube cross threaded. I have one buffer tube that must be over sized because it will not screw into the Polymer 80 frame. It is off a pistol kit so the buffer is not a mil-spec unit. All the standard carbine type buffer tubes have worked OK.

The 80% frame with the brass insert is from Tennessee Firearms and it has several areas where the polymer is thin and tends to split. I have not tried that fame because it requires purchase of a build jig which would only pay for itself if you were doing a dozen builds or having a build party with friends all making the TF gun.

I also tried the EP 80% frame and had a bad experience with it also. It does not have a build jig and depends on an adhesive sticker as a pattern for drilling and milling. Big fail. Even JB Weld would not fix that one!

They show a kid building one with nothing but a Drimel tool and I was taken in. There's no way a 15 year old with a Drimel tool could make one of those builds work.

That was when I decided to pay a little more for the Polymer 80 build kit and have something that worked.

Fact is, unless you just want an AR off the books, and many people do, buying a stripped lower is easier and cheaper.

[rebel]

Good to know thanks.

[jim Glass]

Actually you can buy the 9mm lower from PSA for $59 and like someone said, skip all the work.
.

Does PSA still have the $59 lower? All I see is one for $69 (blemish) and another for $119.

Jim

[kyratshooter]

I think that was an e-mail special they sent me.

Are you on their e-mail list? When they have limited supplies of something, or too many of them, they often offer it as an e-mail special.

You also have to watch their "daily deals" section.

[kyratshooter]

Labor Day weekend deals are on;

Not bad for a mid length rifle kit with all the parts but the lower. Lowers should cost no more then $50 so you can have an AR for less than $370.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-8-socom-nitrate-rifle-kit.html

Below is a "slick side" kit. It dies ot have the forward assist, cartridge deflector or ejector port dust cover. It still makes a great range gun or casual shooter if you are not intending to take it into combat! It is not a free shipping deal so final cost will be the same as the kit above.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-m4-5-56-nato-slick-side-1-7-nitride-rifle-kit.html

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